CURRENT STATE of TEAM MELLI

[Pluto2000]

2030 wc if general still around

Shakori
Aria kanani hezbavi jalali
Saeed hajsafi
Alahyar hossinejad gaedy
Aghaipour

Ey baba thats the worst possible usage of our young players Arya is LW and Aghaeipour played right winger for Sepahan and SS Khuzestan.

Let me give you perfect 2030 fantasy squad:

Shakouri
Andarz - Hazbavi - Fallah - Reyvandi

Razzaghinia - Hosseinejad - Rostami

Allahyar - Saharkhizan - Ghaedi

(mostly jokes)

[Super Shojaei]

TM always takes a long time replacing players, Ansarifard, Hajsafi, and Ramin only RECENTLY got dropped form the squad lists, let that sink in. So it is tough for us to be optimistic for new players given how little chance we give players we invite (like Sayyadmanesh), or the players PFDC members have tracked playing in European leagues that GN has no clue about to even invite.

This is why it is tough to be optimisic, because we know we are going in to the 2026 WC, with pretty much the 2018 squad with a few modifications.

well we relied upon experience heavily - didn't we have the oldest team in the 2022 WC- 2024 Asian Cup too our team was old af.

I joined the GN out brigade when he subbed in Ansarifarid in against Hong Kong in the Asian Cup group match- that match was a prime opportunity to give young talent in our team a chance and he didn't . showed me everything you need to know

but even in our league theres deep-rooted problems - the bigger teams Esteghal, Persepolis , Tractor Sepehan sign old foreigners on big contracts and don't want to give youth a chance - this halts the progress of team Melli. The clubs would rather trust a 31 year old Angolan or 35 year old Frenchman than give youth a try - this leads to young Iranian players unable to break out of the league - the clubs are too reliant on that sweet ACL money so are doing everything to chase that so they dare not give a chance to youth . the cycle then repeats

[oracle]

2030 wc if general still around

Shakori
Aria kanani hezbavi jalali
Saeed hajsafi
Alahyar hossinejad gaedy
Aghaipour

[Iran_19]

I dont think we will be as bad as after 2006 era but yeah, the younger kids don't look as good as like Taremi, Azmoun, JB, Saeed, Beiro, etc! Unless all of sudden we see a late developed talent such as Daei, Taremi!


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[Karimi 8]

TM always takes a long time replacing players, Ansarifard, Hajsafi, and Ramin only RECENTLY got dropped form the squad lists, let that sink in. So it is tough for us to be optimistic for new players given how little chance we give players we invite (like Sayyadmanesh), or the players PFDC members have tracked playing in European leagues that GN has no clue about to even invite.

This is why it is tough to be optimisic, because we know we are going in to the 2026 WC, with pretty much the 2018 squad with a few modifications.

[Super Shojaei]

Here's an improved version of your post:

You said it! We once again find ourselves in a situation eerily similar to 2005-2007 era, when TM's 2006 World Cup squad was filled with stars approaching the end of their careers. Our forwards, once known for their precision, struggled to find the back of the net. Right after the World Cup, we endured several years without top-tier talents.

However, by 2011-2012, Team Melli began its improvement, reclaiming the brilliance it was once known for.

Anyway let's hope we see a similar turnaround in the coming years.


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Yeah Team Melli coaches are usually too risk averse due to the media backlash if things go wrong

you see this in the IPL too - Esteghal , Persepolis and tractor all not giving enough chances to young players

[Super Shojaei]

Here's an improved version of your post:

You said it! We once again find ourselves in a situation eerily similar to 2005-2007 era, when TM's 2006 World Cup squad was filled with stars approaching the end of their careers. Our forwards, once known for their precision, struggled to find the back of the net. Right after the World Cup, we endured several years without top-tier talents.

However, by 2011-2012, Team Melli began its improvement, reclaiming the brilliance it was once known for.

Anyway let's hope we see a similar turnaround in the coming years.


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only thing is qualification has gotten a lot easier- and the quality of teams in our group haven't improved enough to pose us a threat

id argue the UAE of today are a lot weaker than 2015-2019
Qatar have lost star players due to retirement have no good young players coming through so have major gaps in their squad wouldn't be surprised to see the likes of Al-Haydos to come out of retirement.
Krgyz republic will probably get points against the UAE and Qatar at home - they still pose a threat

for qualification to fail we need UAE ,Qatar or North Korea to go on a major winning run which I think these sides are simply incapable of long term- Qatar without the bribed match officials and experience are nothing- UAE just don't have the strength in depth .

even the bottom seeds of the other two groups have gotten points off the big sides - both Kuwait and Indonesia started strong -North Korea will probably do some damage to UAE's campaign too and maybe Uzbekistan- playing in Laos is tough for any team now

[Arman2]

Fully agree with you!

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[Keano]

Agreed! Here is my version of your post:

You said it! We once again find ourselves in a situation eerily similar to 2005-2007 era, when TM's 2006 World Cup squad was filled with stars approaching the end of their careers. Our forwards, once known for their precision, struggled to find the back of the net. Right after the World Cup, we endured several years without top-tier talents.

However, by 2011-2012, Team Melli began its improvement, reclaiming the brilliance it was once known for.

Anyway let's hope we see a similar turnaround in the coming years.


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[Hosseini]

Problem with GN is that he is under so much pressure to get results, that he starts these old washed players because he only really trusts them. He doesn't want to lose his job, and the lack of a long term plan is making him function day by day just to get by. Unfortunately I don't see much of an out for him because people expect him to deliver now. The team as it is also doesn't have any proper defensive shape or structure. I don't even know what is going on now watching our defending. Like you said, we are relying on Ghoddos, Taremi, Azmoun, JB for random offensive creativity - an aging core that soon will burn out into flames. Two of those four don't even have a club now!

The only way out this situation is a coaching replacement. Renard, first option, or Morais second option are the best and most realistic options at our disposal. They will bring a vision, but they MUST be allowed to work on a long term 2-3 year contract. We will qualify, it just about creating the future.

Great thread, everything you said is nailed on correct. We have some smart folks in here

[Super Shojaei]

Let me tell you what will happen. These group of players will dwindle away like the smoke of a candle light being blown out in AC 2027. Then we will probably drop 10-15 places in FIFA rankings as we receive a few shocks for not having a proper-vision plan. Then we will have a few dark years akin to 2008-2014 when we had all these old players who instead of retiring kept wanting to stay in TM over the younger players to stroke their own ego. Be prepared for 35 year old Taremi and 33 year old Azmoun to lead us in WC 2027.

The only proper way of going forward is to integrate youth with a plan....starting...NEXT camp. And I don't mean picking a random Arya Yousefi who is LW as RB to cover for Moharrami's injury. I mean like starting extremely talented players like Hosseinejad consistently, subbing in Saharkhizan for Taremi when we need to, invite players like Ghandipour to try for Azmoun, starting Allahyar, giving more chances to Fallah and Hazbavi duo, inviting Nima Andarz to camp after he caps for CD Leganes, etc.

One more thing: we need to be comfortable with struggling a bit. ITS OKAY to lose a game or two now so that we can win later and make a deep World Cup run. Even people on this forum are too reactive sometimes, who trash youth on their first few caps. Look at Japan, in the 2022 cycle they lost to Oman and Vietnam after starting all their youth. Thats okay. They still qualified and ended up making a deep run against Germany and other Euro giants. ITS OKAY TO LOSE IF YOU HAVE A LONG TERM PLAN. Even CQ lost to Turkey and Uzbekistan. Not many remember but people were talking mad shit about Beiranvand 3 months before the 2018 WC for CQ giving him a chance.

Cq lost to Lebanon too and tied to Turkmenistan away in qualification if those results had happened under skokic and GN this forum would crash now

[naderb94]

The core won't be going anywhere as long as they keep getting results.

I hope we have a plan ready for when that core is washed up and done.
I don't want to see Team Melli end up like the Chicago Bulls or New England after Jordan/Brady left with no plan ready.

[Ali Doust]

The core won't be going anywhere as long as they keep getting results.

[Nokhodi]

Do we really want to have the same group of players for the WC 2030 qualifiers when they're in their mid 30s?

I'm saying the 2030 qualifiers will have a completely new set of players (relatively younger).
However, I don't care about age. Whoever plays better.
National teams are not academies.

[naderb94]

There is no need to fear.
Unfortunately we only replace when it's absolutely required.
So yes, at the end of the 2026 cycle, there will be big changes in TM main players.
They'll go through a trial by fire in Asia Cup 2027 and if they're a decent bunch they'll be ready for WC 2030 qualifiers.

That's about it.

Do we really want to have the same group of players for the WC 2030 qualifiers when they're in their mid 30s?