Is Queiroz failing?

[Keano]

Haha, Maij jaan in dafe ro be khaatere mokhaalefat ba nazaraate man mibakhshamet but next time you oppose my comments I will have Mila punish you to the worst case scenario!

Oh man, these IRIB football commentators I suppose are the most boring and annoying commentators across the world, some of them might even ake you wanna fall asleep. Most Arab commentators on the other hand are often exciting to listen to (Sometimes annoyingly exciting to listen to haha) If I can remember well, Mr Majid Vaares in post-revolution commentating matches of Iran football was one of the best and most exciting people to listen to on live reports. His tonality, intonation and knowledge if football was amazing, a few months ago I watched several Iran matches commentated by him and I was thinking to myself that our football has regressed in all areas, even its live reports.

Here is one of his reports from our road to WC1998:

And:

[Mansoor]

Big win for Queiroz today to get back on track. One more win against Uzbeks and he gets far from failing.

There were big minus and pluses today for him:

-Huge mistake to keep Shojaee in the match. It was so obvious he is gonna get red carded VERY soon.

I got so happy to see Karimi and Khalatbari warming up, and my first impression was I hope they get in for Shojaee quickly before it is too late.

Shojaee was keep looking for trouble with Koreans and refs, and Querioz did nothing to stop it.

You didn't wanna be around me when he was actually red carded! And certainly Queiroz didn't want to hear me then!

- I know the plan was to use Nouri for "through passes" for speedy and dangerous Gucci, but not even once it happened.

Nouri had very few moments and nothing else. Clearly, he was not the play-maker we needed in the middle, and "the game plan" for him was not working.

He should have been subbed out in half time, not to lose any more time. Nouri was simply "too soft" for this rough match.

- What a great sub to bring in Mahini and send in Heidari up front to balance this 10 men team.

This was pure "real time" decision making to adjust to one man down, and he did great there.

Though was not a flashy sub like bring in Karimi, Khalatbari, or Ghazi, but it certainly balanced out the team to look like 11 men team again. Excellent real time decision.

- Trusting your captain while struggling? That was big plus for Queiroz to trust in Nekunam while most of us had lost that trust and wanted him out.

Nekunam played his heart out for this team and his score was nothing less than a "head and shoulder" above our football goal. Great vision, quick control, and amazing shot. Just by itself, deserved Neku to stay in this game, let alone his great leadership and 90 minute hassle.

Hats off to Queiroz to keep him in the game.

- Why keep inviting Maziar Zareh? I had "guessed" this before and I am pretty sure now. He is a plug for end of the match.

Many coaches like to have a plug player at the end of the match to finish the match and keep the result. Branko used to do that with Alavi. Perfect sub for the last 5-10 min of the match to bring a big body in the middle and seal the match.

- I think Shojaee's red card messed up Queiroz plan for second half subs. Don't know exactly what his plan was, but I have a feeling Karimi was in it. It all worked out Ok for Iran.

We'll see what he does in even more important "6 point" Uzbak match.

[zzgloo]

Excellent line up...perhaps except having " the other " , " wrong " Nouri ! in middle ...
Our Forwards set were a great group,and would have been better with khatbari instead of shojaeeg,....and had they been fed better by the midfield,we would have had the Koreans wraped up earlier.

As mansoor said,the Shojaee's exist,changed the plans...
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TM could be better with , a take charge, tall, strong ,cenetral defensive player.as well as,a Young karimi type in midfield!
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CQ,did what he was hired for, the most,..beating South Korea.

[St_Mark]

Big win for Queiroz today to get back on track. One more win against Uzbeks and he gets far from failing.

There were big minus and pluses today for him:

-Huge mistake to keep Shojaee in the match. It was so obvious he is gonna get red carded VERY soon.

I got so happy to see Karimi and Khalatbari warming up, and my first impression was I hope they get in for Shojaee quickly before it is too late.

Shojaee was keep looking for trouble with Koreans and refs, and Querioz did nothing to stop it.

You didn't wanna be around me when he was actually red carded! And certainly Queiroz didn't want to hear me then!

- I know the plan was to use Nouri for "through passes" for speedy and dangerous Gucci, but not even once it happened.

Nouri had very few moments and nothing else. Clearly, he was not the play-maker we needed in the middle, and "the game plan" for him was not working.

He should have been subbed out in half time, not to lose any more time. Nouri was simply "too soft" for this rough match.

- What a great sub to bring in Mahini and send in Heidari up front to balance this 10 men team.

This was pure "real time" decision making to adjust to one man down, and he did great there.

Though was not a flashy sub like bring in Karimi, Khalatbari, or Ghazi, but it certainly balanced out the team to look like 11 men team again. Excellent real time decision.

- Trusting your captain while struggling? That was big plus for Queiroz to trust in Nekunam while most of us had lost that trust and wanted him out.

Nekunam played his heart out for this team and his score was nothing less than a "head and shoulder" above our football goal. Great vision, quick control, and amazing shot. Just by itself, deserved Neku to stay in this game, let alone his great leadership and 90 minute hassle.

Hats off to Queiroz to keep him in the game.

- Why keep inviting Maziar Zareh? I had "guessed" this before and I am pretty sure now. He is a plug for end of the match.

Many coaches like to have a plug player at the end of the match to finish the match and keep the result. Branko used to do that with Alavi. Perfect sub for the last 5-10 min of the match to bring a big body in the middle and seal the match.

- I think Shojaee's red card messed up Queiroz plan for second half subs. Don't know exactly what his plan was, but I have a feeling Karimi was in it. It all worked out Ok for Iran.

We'll see what he does in even more important "6 point" Uzbak match.

No pint of disagreement .
It was a great , meaningful win that bring back doomsday clock.
In the critical day that we were not overall a better team we defeated South Korea and strengthened our standing in second place.
I think there are not many coaches, expert and fans had a chance would have started Nouri and shojaei given what were known about their physical, mental fitness . Queiroz's decision was not wise and we were lucky Korean did not score while they dominated in first half as their coach predicted.
As i pointed out during the match with Shojaei/nouri in i felt we were playing with a player short to begin with.
I agree Mahini sub was great and Queiroz well understood Korea's seconf half game plan. As their coach pointed out for second half they made a change and focused on penetration, crossing from wings and fresh leg ,strong Mahini was best counter while releasing Heidari.

Team enjoyed support by fans and officials and they were factors in emotional heroic passionate play of TM toward the end.

Rather than Queiroz if there were any Iranian coach starting the game with that lineup after Shojaei Red card fans would have possibly turned against the coach.

Should we had GN as a coach complaining to referee and red carded ,many fans would have blame it on culture of Naziabad and "lats" but we are all glad at least in this case Iranian have more than one standard.

We the fans, players and Queiroz needed this great win and all credit to coach and players .

I hope for the next game Queiroz have better understanding of his players and work on improvement. we can not always rely oh luck.
With a great win they made us proud.

[zzgloo]

سرمربی پرتغالی تیم ملی فوتبال کشورمان پس از پیروزی تیمش مقابل کره جنوبی نقش هواداران در کسب این پیروزی را انکار ناپذیر توصیف کرد.

به گزارش ایلنا، کارلوس کی*روش پس از پیروزی تیم ملی فوتبال ایران مقابل کره جنوبی در جمع خبرنگاران اظهارکرد: حق بازیکنانم یک تبریک بزرگ است اما باید بدانیم که فقط سه امتیاز گرفته*ایم و بازی با ازبکستان را پیش رو داریم. آن*ها با شهامت و پشتکار به این پیروزی رسیدند و بسیار باهوش کار کردند. بازیکنان همه برنامه*های ما را در زمین پیاده کردند. باز هم به آن*ها و تماشاگران تبریک می*گویم.

وی در ادامه گفت: فراموش نکنید که ما بازی با ازبکستان را در پیش داریم و از هواداران می*خواهیم که در آن بازی هم به ورزشگاه بیایند. پیروزی برابر کره درس خوبی برای ما بود که بدانیم هر گاه متحد باشیم موفق می*شویم. اما باید بدانید که برای رسیدن به جام جهانی پستی و بلندی زیادی پیش رو داریم. بعضی وقت*ها پیروز می*شویم و بعضی وقت*ها شکست می*خوریم اما مهم این است که در هنگام شکست*ها هم از حمایت همه برخوردار باشیم. هیچ شکی نیست که امروز حمایت تماشاگران به پیروزی ما خیلی کمک کرد.

وی درباره عملکرد تیم داوری بازی هم گفت: از بین سه تیمی که امشب در زمین حاضر بودند یعنی تیم*های ایران و کره جنوبی و تیم داوری بدون شک ضعیف*ترین عملکرد متعلق به تیم داوری بود. یک سری اتفاقات از دید داور سنگاپوری پنهان ماند، البته ما انتظاری از داوران نداریم بلکه از تیم خودمان انتظار داریم که عملکرد خوبی در زمین داشته باشند.

کی*روش همچنین گفت: مهم است که بدانیم با این پیروزی هنوز به جایی نرسیده*ایم و فقط سه امتیاز گرفته*ایم. کارمان از فردا دوباره شروع می*شود و پس از استراحتی کوتاه سعی می*کنیم که برای بازی با ازبکستان آماده شویم. بازیکنان ما فقط یک هدف دارند و آن این است که با افتخار پیراهن تیم ملی*شان را بپوشند و برای رسیدن به جام جهانی کوشش کنند. آن*ها در این راه می*خواهند بهترین عملکرد را داشته باشند.

پایان پیام

[Martin-Reza]

Blaming Queiroz for not wasting a sub at halftime for subbing out an attacker with a yellow is nothing I can agree on. It was clear he'd be waiting at least until minute 60-65 with the first sub.

That Shojaei makes an unneccesary and late two-footed challenge in midfield despite already having a yellow card is solely Shojaei's fault.

[Doctor DOOM]

I still think CQ is failing. because I'm not going to allow the win to pull the wool over my eyes.

his team selection still stinks. case in point is starting with an out of form shoajei who, these days, is busy watching his club games from the stands! after almost 2 years of sitting at home!!!
what a numb-skull decision to start with this guy. And it's not as if shojaei has done well on the other games he was allowed to play anyway!
and certainly it's not as if we dont have FAR SUPERIOR players like bakhtiar rahmani who could do what he does 10 levels higher.


second point is CQ's ali-asghari style of conducting a game by ordering useless LOBS from defense up field!
almost 100% of our forward moves were exactly this: either hosseini or montazeri kicking under the ball up field ... hoping to have a red shirt connect with it or something!!!


so is CQ failing?
YES HE IS.
after one and half years I still have not seen even an average tactic from his team

[zzgloo]

CQ was great...he seems collected and focused for the next game,and wants the TM and Fans to be that way as well.
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I liked his line up...those who did not start were supposed to come in later in the game...which Red Card to Shojaee changed the plans.If we look at the game again, shojaee seemed aggressive and lost from the begining.
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We will do great on next games with this line up..specilay with Gucci,and Dejagah &(Shojaee/Khalatbri ) up front.and Karimi during the secound half.Gucci was excellent,But Ashkan is something els,he ran more than everybodyels.
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The Mahini's entrance was also perfectly timed as mansoor said also.... .
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Too many free kicks awarded to them from the right side, reminded me of our game against Mexico,in which Branko's plan was not to allow any advances from that side ( Opponant's strong side )..yet,allowing too many freee kicks.
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Our midfield had mostly defensive duties during the first half, that was why,they fed the forwards less during that time.....they how ever had a different assignement afterwards/and being short on numbers also was taken into account .....
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The fans on the stands , were magnificent......our number one asset in football.

[Doctor DOOM]

^ bahram jan apparently you saw something that pleased u about shojaei's game and previous performances too, that u not only support the line up, you also still include him in the list of influential players. Mind telling us what we missed?
And please no more "he plays in la liga".

Many thanks

[zzgloo]

^ bahram jan apparently you saw something that pleased u about shojaei's game and previous performances too, that u not only support the line up, you also still include him in the list of influential players. Mind telling us what we missed?
And please no more "he plays in la liga".

Many thanks

Payman's Aziz....

Did you read what I wrote ?....here it is again " {{
which Red Card to Shojaee changed the plans.If we look at the game again, shojaee seemed aggressive and lost from the begining.}}
How ever, to be perfectly frank......I do not have anything against his starting position.of Shojaee,and as I wrote again, he was meant to be changed with Khatbari,and Shojaee is active...very active..in fact, if nothing els, he takes the defenders with him.
I am sure we are both in agreement with Gucci,and Ashkan.....but, I do not like any local,domestic forward talenets we have in the league...Ansarifard,Rezaie,Ghazi.Gholami,etc,etc.. .....the only one that may be better than Shojaee, is Khalatbari...and I truely believe, khalatbari is not a 90 minutes player..just like Karimi....
As I wrote in the other thread ,with Mansoor....two people were not the best choices , one was Shojaee,and one was the Nouri.....
For Nouri,CQ should have started the other Noori ( Pejman ),since again,Karimi was the secound half player...and as for Shojaee...considering the lack of options ( again only khalatbari,the secound halfer )...he was acceptable.....although, even though he has scored good goals for the TM in the past,yet,he was lost,and too aggressive..as I mentioned....he was bound to recieve the red card.
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I also ,like you, do not like,selecting any legioners,just because they play in forign leagues..but Gucci, and Ashkan,all of the sudden have given TM the missing links it has been looking for...and may be CQ should get some credit to bring them on board.

Regards

[KeonKish]

I still think CQ is failing. because I'm not going to allow the win to pull the wool over my eyes.
his team selection still stinks. case in point is starting with an out of form shoajei who, these days, is busy watching his club games from the stands! after almost 2 years of sitting at home!!!
what a numb-skull decision to start with this guy. And it's not as if shojaei has done well on the other games he was allowed to play anyway!
and certainly it's not as if we dont have FAR SUPERIOR players like bakhtiar rahmani who could do what he does 10 levels higher.
second point is CQ's ali-asghari style of conducting a game by ordering useless LOBS from defense up field!
almost 100% of our forward moves were exactly this: either hosseini or montazeri kicking under the ball up field ... hoping to have a red shirt connect with it or something!!!
so is CQ failing?
YES HE IS.
after one and half years I still have not seen even an average tactic from his team

aghaye doktor, mesenke cheshat khoob kar nemikonan( just messing with you ) I think you watch the game with a far too biased view. Montazeri is not a boot- up player, If you really want to argue about something so obvious, I will make a damn video about it, montazeri moved the ball up the field with smart runs more than 20 times, he did not "bezan ziresh" and he never has been that type of player! Hosseini did it sometimes, but most of the long balls were clearances my friend..... I usually agree with you, however, you are 100% WRONG on montazeri. I DARE you to bring forth evidence from the match that montazeri was doing "bezan ziresh". Btw, if you werent aware, all defenders will boot the ball up once in a while, but to say that montazeri was playing bezan ziresh is simply absurd.
However, I totally agree with your first paragraph or so, to be honest I never was a m.nouri fan simply because the guy is physically weak as hell.
However, besides his last and bad tackle, shojaei was one of the most active players in the first half, he was everywhere pressuring the koreans, not to mention he made some good attacks. but his second tackle was a sign that he isnt mentally ready yet...

[Doctor DOOM]

Payman's Aziz....

Did you read what I wrote ?....here it is again " {{
which Red Card to Shojaee changed the plans.If we look at the game again, shojaee seemed aggressive and lost from the begining.}}
How ever, to be perfectly frank......I do not have anything against his starting position.of Shojaee,and as I wrote again, he was meant to be changed with Khatbari,and Shojaee is active...very active..in fact, if nothing els, he takes the defenders with him.
I am sure we are both in agreement with Gucci,and Ashkan.....but, I do not like any local,domestic forward talenets we have in the league...Ansarifard,Rezaie,Ghazi.Gholami,etc,etc.. .....the only one that may be better than Shojaee, is Khalatbari...and I truely believe, khalatbari is not a 90 minutes player..just like Karimi....
As I wrote in the other thread ,with Mansoor....two people were not the best choices , one was Shojaee,and one was the Nouri.....
For Nouri,CQ should have started the other Noori ( Pejman ),since again,Karimi was the secound half player...and as for Shojaee...considering the lack of options ( again only khalatbari,the secound halfer )...he was acceptable.....although, even though he has scored good goals for the TM in the past,yet,he was lost,and too aggressive..as I mentioned....he was bound to recieve the red card.
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I also ,like you, do not like,selecting any legioners,just because they play in forign leagues..but Gucci, and Ashkan,all of the sudden have given TM the missing links it has been looking for...and may be CQ should get some credit to bring them on board.

Regards

1- here's where we differ GREATLY, mate.
Not only I rate a player like Ghazi much higher than shojaei at the moment, there are others who can produce far better performances than the ZERO we saw (and have seen in the other previous shojaei displays after his return from injury). So I wouldnt be too quick knocking the domestic players pnly because they play in Iran in favor of someone who supposedly "plays" (!!!) outside.
I only watch who performs at what level and who benefits the team more, without the face or name or number.


2- which brings me to the second point that we DID have options to use a more in form player in that spot. as you mentioned there is khalatbari. I'd even add Gh Rezaei (yes, even HE at the present period can turn out better than shojaei. hell, I think even ali parvin with his fat belly and double chin and all can turn out better displays than shojaei).

3- but shojaei's selection (let alone starting with him) is PURELY and UNDENIABLY based on him being employed outside Iran.
you think CQ has observed his magnificent performances at his dead-last club week after week? he's been tearing it up at la liga these past few weeks? more like tearing his trousers up constantly sitting on the stands (not even the bench).
now if an unknown, third rate european coach sees he is not fit or in form to play for a pathetic club dead last in their league, you'd expect a coach charging 3 million dollars with portugal , madrid, man-u fame would know it with eyes closed. hah!!


besides, lets not forget the chap is NOT A STRIKER.
just because a couple of times he has scored a goal (even if we count the ball hitting his stomach and ricocheting into the goal as his goal) does not make him a "striker". he was, at best, a POTENTIAL replacement for Karimi's playmaker/offensive mid spot. But instead of improving and perfecting his game and rectifying his weaknesses, he has decided to stick to "dribbling".

some of you fellows are surprised by his rash and unpolished challenging technique. why shd you be? he NEVER, EVER was good at them ...... EVER!
for years I have said he doesnt know how to defend. on those rare occasions he "tries", he either fouls the chap or just fails. He isnt a very physical chap, much like ansarifard. so this red card came as NO surprise to me whatsoever.


bottomline is that he is in a desperate slump (from his average performances of 2-3 years back) and nearly 2 years of being away from ANY competitive game and being sidelined at his club shd have been CLEAR INDICATIONS to any idiotic, half-baked, wet behind the ears coach ... let alone a supposed major international one who charges the earth for his "services".
including shojaei in the 24 man line up is bad enough, but starting with him is irrefutably catastrophic and dumb

[Doctor DOOM]

aghaye doktor, mesenke cheshat khoob kar nemikonan( just messing with you ) I think you watch the game with a far too biased view. Montazeri is not a boot- up player, If ...........

"montazeri is not a boot-up player". THIS is exactly why I said what I said. I totally agree.
you seem not too familiar with my posts here and my stance on montazeri. I say exactly the same thing. he is a very versatile player who knows how to run with the ball and start moves from behind and I believe he is the most intelligent (different from "most effective", which is Hosseini imo) defender we have in Iran (read other threads here in F+). by nature he doesnt just kick under the ball.

so if he keeps doing something that he normally doesnt do, it means the ORDERS OF THE COACH WAS TO DO THIS.
which shows CQ's total lack of tactics and plans for offensive moves!!! we cant blame the players as we see this in each and every game and with different players doing the exact same thing. So that points at the COACH.
That's why I'm saying CQ's tactics and strategy after one and half years is non-existent except the traditional ali asghari style.

[zzgloo]

Payman Jaan....
please do you put me in the position to defend Shojaee...if you remember,I also do not like him,but...as you noticed well, I thought he was the best choice ,for what we have, and what we should have planed.
here is my argument,in support of Shojaee,..in a " limited "way( I do not like shojaee's game in general).
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so our disagreement, is mainly if there is anybody who could have played " the first half of this game " better than Shjaee.
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Ali Daei was so exceptional.....but, The forward position, in general, is (cultural/phisicaly,psycologicaly ) has always been our handicap.....we just have never produced a totalpackage......we just have never had some one with absolute killer instict...a finisher.......,it requires a certain playfulness,self steem,arrogance, and special skills...that, we culturaly just do not have it,never had it......
Koreans game ,in compare to ours, is a faster game..they play faster, run harder, and run more..they are even more physical.....
so, we needed some one, with those abilities ,plus some international experince,..to play the first half before Khalatbari comes....
the only one with such qualities other than Shojaee,may have been Rezaie.........Ghazi..on the other hand,is a kind of player who may be useful against Uzbakistan...with a slower pace game........Ghazi's style.........

[Doctor DOOM]

Payman Jaan....
please do you put me in the position to defend Shojaee...if you remember,I also do not like him,but...as you noticed well, I thought he was the best choice ,for what we have, and what we should have planed.
here is my argument,in support of Shojaee,..in a " limited "way( I do not like shojaee's game in general).
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so our disagreement, is mainly if there is anybody who could have played " the first half of this game " better than Shjaee.
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Ali Daei was so exceptional.....but, The forward position, in general, is (cultural/phisicaly,psycologicaly ) has always been our handicap.....we just have never produced a totalpackage......we just have never had some one with absolute killer instict...a finisher.......,it requires a certain playfulness,self steem,arrogance, and special skills...that, we culturaly just do not have it,never had it......
Koreans game ,in compare to ours, is a faster game..they play faster, run harder, and run more..they are even more physical.....
so, we needed some one, with those abilities ,plus some international experince,..to play the first half before Khalatbari comes....
the only one with such qualities other than Shojaee,may have been Rezaie.........Ghazi..on the other hand,is a kind of player who may be useful against Uzbakistan...with a slower pace game........Ghazi's style.........

1- very true. we disagree on that point. I can name at least 10-15 players who would have done far better than what pissy little shojaei did and has done ever since he came back.

2- "faster", "harder", "more physical".
these are the EXACT weaknesses of shoajei.
he isnt a fast player.
he doesnt run hard either.
nor is he physically strong.