Branko is the Man !!!

[zzgloo]

Dear hajagha, and dear behzad-b.........
while I have no particular disagreement with your both assertions...but I would like to remind you......IFF has never been that generouse to begin with......
You all know, how we Iranians buy stuffs,just like " Ame khanoom " with lots of bargennings and stuff....so is Iranian government....as for example, the tehran metro, has vagons bought from China, that have been used there for 20 years,so they were cheaper for Shahrdari !!!, and so on,for all other departements.....
and same with, Branko....the Idea, behind hireing an assistant coach, was not to pay the fool price of a head coach..........that is the Iranian Governement and IFF mentality......and I would bet, the Branko's salary, is still less than..zico,or the old argentinian coach of saudis.or the Koreans' coach.....and yet, you and I still talk about him getting paid,and he should do better, as we are spending too much.............
The USA,football team,and mexican football team, has had 4 friendly games a mounth for the last 5 mounths......but, believe me ,the reason for our TM has had very little friendlies,was not because of our poletical infemy,nor was it because of Branko's inefficiencies......it was only,due to IFF thrifty mentalities.......
If, you ask me, Branko is so happy he was given the chance, that he is not asking what he deserves !!, which is coach who succeded to take a team to the wc..............just remmember, how demanding the coach of Bahrain was when he just won some games for them.................
Branko has been efficient, humble,and cost effective......!!

[BehzadB]

Yes, however his performance was good enough to be kept. My opinion is, IFF did a good job to hire him and keep him until now, keeping him still benefites us? I don't think so.

That's confusing man. IFF was right to hire him and keep him until now? I am not sure what you mean there.

Of course Branko's wining record was a good record. But then again, a record is as good as the opponants we faced.

My point was that when comparing this coach to the previous ones, we must keep in mind the "extend of time" which he had to accomplish that record.

Who is to say that a certain other coach would not have had a better or similar record if he was in charge for 4 years? That's the question that I was refering to.


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There is much more to be said about this Branko/Dadkan/Daie trio, but let's leave that for after the WC , when the WC fever is all gone.

[BehzadB]

If, you ask me, Branko is so happy he was given the chance, that he is not asking what he deserves !!, which is coach who succeded to take a team to the wc..............just remmember, how demanding the coach of Bahrain was when he just won some games for them.................
Branko has been efficient, humble,and cost effective......!!

ZZ jan, how do you know how much Branko got paid? What is your source? Does anyone in IRAN know? Besides Dadkan, Branko and Daie??

Wasn't the payment from IRanian people's money? Then why doesn't anyone know how much it was? Why hasn't IFF declare the amount and the TERMS of the contract??

The trio of Dadkan, Branko and Daie have created a "Dokoon" with our football. WHO was it that chose to give Beckenbauer a hand made persian rug (ON BEHALF OF THE IRANIAN NATION) with Dadkan's Face on it?

The same guys that decided you and I shall not know about Branko's Contract. The same guy that forced Azizi on to the team last year and the same guy who has PUT certain names on the current TM list and a certain one off the list.

let me tell you from now, IF TM is in any way form or shape successfull in the WC, "THEY" are going to say "WE told you Branko/Daie/Dadkan are the men", and if our team doesn't then "THEY" will say "It was all because of you bashers/critics/haters.e.tc, that the team didn't do well". Just you wait.

With us Iranians it has always been: " I am right, you are not".

[zzgloo]

ZZ jan, how do you know how much Branko got paid? What is your source? Does anyone in IRAN know? Besides Dadkan, Branko and Daie??
Wasn't the payment from IRanian people's money? Then why doesn't anyone know how much it was? Why hasn't IFF declare the amount and the TERMS of the contract??
The trio of Dadkan, Branko and Daie have created a "Dokoon" with our football. WHO was it that chose to give Beckenbauer a hand made persian rug (ON BEHALF OF THE IRANIAN NATION) with Dadkan's Face on it?
The same guys that decided you and I shall not know about Branko's Contract. The same guy that forced Azizi on to the team last year and the same guy who has PUT certain names on the current TM list and a certain one off the list.
let me tell you from now, IF TM is in any way form or shape successfull in the WC, "THEY" are going to say "WE told you Branko/Daie/Dadkan are the men", and if our team doesn't then "THEY" will say "It was all because of you bashers/critics/haters.e.tc, that the team didn't do well". Just you wait.
With us Iranians it has always been: " I am right, you are not".

Behzad jan.....You are very correct on two counts.....
1- The Iranian way...." I am right,you are wrong ! "
2-if TM succeed, they were correct, and if it fails, the critics caused it.

But, you did not pay much attention to my last post,as I seperated Branko from the IFF and dadkan,and the government....
And about, Branko's salary..........
You do not know how much he makes...and I do not know either....
But based on the point I maid in my previouse post......he should not be makeing much....compaire to other world cup coaches..which is my guess !
and, the fact,that IFF did not desclose the amount.may very well be the reason for it !!!

[Hajagha]

...IFF has never been that generouse to begin with............!!

It seems you have forqotten that the country income became 8 times bigger than a few years back with a loan 3 times bigger than their anual incom . It's like you make 30 K with 90 K loan and suddenly you earn 240 with no loan. are you going to the same resturant you used to go? with the same ride? ...and same girlfriend?

It's easy to calculate, isn't it?

[Hajagha]

That's confusing man. IFF was right to hire him and keep him until now? I am not sure what you mean there...

You are right, the time factor is with you till you are giving enough time to download your idea into your team, and becomes against you when you have nothing more to offer.

Branko was good since he some thing to offer, he was also motivated to prove himself in his first job, but now..... we need a fresh face with fresh ideas and motivation.

[yashar_fasihnia]

yashar jan, if he really wanted such a team ( with so many attackers ) , then he would have picked such teams ( not necessarily the exact players, I admit ) for all the previous months and friendlies and ... .

if he really wanted guys like kazemian, khatibi, enayati , ....well, you ask yourself: werent these guys doing as well, months back?
why keep them out of the team for the longest period, just to call them less than a month away from the games?

the anser is simple: he does NOT plan to use them.
they are there exactly for what I said : an eye wash.

just as I have said before, all will be revealed when we see the line ups and subs for the games.
just wait and see.

one possible reason we see more forwards(who can also play midfields) is cos the previous times we had navidkia and jabbari, but now that we dont have these 2, it has made room for players like khatibi, enayati, kazemiyan and sadeghi to stay in the list.

also, remember that no, enayati, kazemiyan and khatibi none of them were consistent throughout the year, they all had their slumps and were left out for different camps and players like akbarpour and koushki were invited.

and ofcourse, it doesnt take a genius to realize that all players wont be playing in the worldcup, atleast not in teams who cant afford to risk games by playing their substitutes like iran unless some miracle happens and we beat both mexico and portugal and go to angola match with our reserves to give them play time while give rest and prevent injury and bookings of our main players.

again, ofcourse doctor jan, u are not expecting him to sub in a player like sadeghi when we got players like bakhtiarizadeh? subs are usually the players closest to the main players or only available player for a certain position, and in our case, it is guys like teymourian. so ofcourse, we shouldnt be that surprised with his subs although there is a high chance he will make new subs cos his regular subs (navidkia, nikki and jabbari) are all out and we might see guys like shojaei and madanchi.

[BehzadB]

You are right, the time factor is with you till you are giving enough time to download your idea into your team, and becomes against you when you have nothing more to offer.
Branko was good since he some thing to offer, he was also motivated to prove himself in his first job, but now..... we need a fresh face with fresh ideas and motivation.

I see. yes you are right. I think the cut off line should have been after the AC 04 or at the most after we beat Jordan in WCQ.

[BehzadB]

......he should not be makeing much....compaire to other world cup coaches..which is my guess !
and, the fact,that IFF did not desclose the amount.may very well be the reason for it !!!

I wish I could believe that. We are the same people who stand up and have our Namaz Jamaat after SS won the game. We are not afraid of what people think about us. What's a big deal?? Branko was obviously happy with the numbers, otherwise he would not have agreed to it.

[Doctor DOOM]

I dont understand why we bother to compare coaches , while we refuse to count all the peripheral factors involved in each era and tenure.

just as behzad and haji jan said, which coach has been given such an amount of time ( 5 years ) to do his stuff?

which coach has been paid so handsomely ?

which coach had the luxury of using a series of internationally experienced players ?

which coach had the benefit of a few years of professional ( with all its defects and deficiencies ) league ?

which coach .... ?

( I'm not going to even talk about WC allotments, coz any notion of comparing what branko got and what EVERYONE else got is so ridiculous and absurd, it wouldnt be even funny ! )

which one had such players, talent, potential, ... at his disposal?
when you compare any era and any coach, you'd see branko has been extremely LUCKY to have been at the right place , at the right time.

and the best thing is , WE didnt even want him.
he was pushed by his boss, Ciro , onto us.
had Ciro not advised/recommended him ( natural, coz he'd try to cover his compatriot's back), I am sure we would have got someone else, 5 years back.

so saying he's the most this and that is so ridiculous, especially when we have coaches with a FRACTION of what he had, get far more trophies and achieve glories, beyond this fellow's limited mind.

a note: just as behzad said; a record is just as good as the opponents we faced.
ponder on the names a bit, and then try labeling and ranking coaches.


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yshar jan, forgive me if I dont see even an atom of relevance between "having jabbari and N-kia" with "khatibi, kazemian, enayati, sadeghi..." !!!

we lost 2 playmaking midfielders, so we'll go and pack the team with forwards ?

I'm just a simple fan, but even to a simple fan's mind, this doesnt make sense !
coz this simple fan thinks, if we lose 2 playmakers, we should get at least one other midfielder who is a playmaker to replace and fill the spot.
not forwards or ... !!!


- and beware, if you bring up words like "consistency" then you are damning branko and some of his players, even more than those mentioned.

prey tell what consistency did mirza, zareh, zandi, .... show this season?
.... well, apart from faltering all over the season.

in fact if we compare these guys with the previously mentioned ones, we'd see ppl like enayati, sadeghi, .... were MORE consistent than zareh, zandi, n-kia, mirza, yahya, .... .

this proves branko's stupidity and lajbaazi even more.

[yashar_fasihnia]

yshar jan, forgive me if I dont see even an atom of relevance between "having jabbari and N-kia" with "khatibi, kazemian, enayati, sadeghi..." !!!

we lost 2 playmaking midfielders, so we'll go and pack the team with forwards ?

I'm just a simple fan, but even to a simple fan's mind, this doesnt make sense !
coz this simple fan thinks, if we lose 2 playmakers, we should get at least one other midfielder who is a playmaker to replace and fill the spot.
not forwards or ... !!!


- and beware, if you bring up words like "consistency" then you are damning branko and some of his players, even more than those mentioned.

prey tell what consistency did mirza, zareh, zandi, .... show this season?
.... well, apart from faltering all over the season.

in fact if we compare these guys with the previously mentioned ones, we'd see ppl like enayati, sadeghi, .... were MORE consistent than zareh, zandi, n-kia, mirza, yahya, .... .

this proves branko's stupidity and lajbaazi even more.

doctor khan, like i said, some of those forwads are versatile and can play midfield. like khatibi and kazemian. khatibi has abilities to play behind 2 forwards in extreme cases(his style is somewat similar to azizi's) and kazemiyan who can play as a RM or even LM incase of emergency.

besides that, like i think almost everybody pointed out, our best sub for karimi is zandi, which again is better than mobali in my opinion for this post!
so again, branko can bring zadi into the middle and then bring a midfielder like madanchi into the LM!

we also got shojaei who seems to have capabilties of playing in AM. and no, mobali is not better than shojaei in every aspect, shojaei has a greater phsyique, can win more aerial battles, can be more dangerous on crosses, has more technique than mobali, etc.

and let me remind u, that loss of 2 midfielders jabbari and navidkia, result in keeping 1 midfielder called shojaei, and another versatlie player who can play both as attack and as midfiled like kazemiyan. almost every coach would prefer a versatile player to a non versatile one!
yes, sadeghi was also invited, but so were shojaei and kazemiyan. now im not sure that if jabbari and navidkia were in, which 2 of thsoe 3 would be striked off, but definitely shojaei would be one of them and the other one, i dunno, probably kazemiyan cos like u said, if we have midfielders, we dont need other midfielders like kazemiyan.
i would like to correct my earlier argument, thankyou for pointing it out, probably sadeghi didnt get striked off because alavi was striked off and so sadeghi was able to get that slot.

again doctor jan, ur thinking like a computer, 0 or 1. if this player was inconsistent, he didnt deserve a call, if that player was, he deserved. like i said in many other threads before, choosing players, is not just based on consistency.
a player like mirzapour was only crushed by us media and fans, and he only needs some support and calm environment to regain his not form but rather SELF CONFIDENCE back, and branko said, he is working on it and helping him raise his spirits again!

sadeghi, yes, he was never inconsistent, but he has many other disadvantages, he is young and inexperienced, he fouls way to easily, gives away too many freekicks and even penalties and gets booked(red many times) in IPL against weaker teams and in the presence of biased and unstrict refrees! wat do u think he will do against figo, ronaldo and pauleta! no doubt he is an upcoming talent, but again, there are many factors which decide a players fate, and for sadeghi, currently, its better to not play against these teams but isntead, use this oppurtunity to enhance his experience and confidence and if he gets some play time, use it because both he and us will be needing it more for the coming years!

zandi, he is a professional player, even if he is a sub, be sure he is more fit than almost all our IPL players. he adds a different dimension to our team. he brings professionalism, vision, one touch passing and the "science of football" which he was taught in his early trainings in germany to our team! dont compare our legionnaires with our IPL players and their status in the 2 leagues cos its ridiculous! like hashemian once said, every training in bayer munich is like a friendly game by itself!yes i know that is bayern munich and this is FCK, but remember, this is FCK(bundesliga) and that is IPL too! big difference!

yahya, he is the leader of our defense line, he is the vice captain of Iran, he is one of themost experience and intelligent players in TM who doesnt lose his cool in times of hardship and doesnt make stupid mistakes! he is a big asset to TM and his presence is needed. he might not have showed the best performance in saba battery but that has been the problem of their defense line as a whole which infact, is a problem caused by their coach, ziaie!
u watch one game of saba and u see how much gap is there between their defense and midfield, that any opponent can exploit this! keep in mind that one of their 2 defenders (bakhtiarizadeh) is missing half the time cos he goes forward a lot!
one more thing, i think the main reason bakhtiarizadeh shone this year was because of the number of goals he scored for saba and saved their behind! sohrab was always a good defender, but only this year did he hit the scene and that was because of his crucial goals for saba! but guess wat, sohrab was asked to do this by his coach, to go forward but yahya was asked to stay behind, and this is i think 1 main reason why people think bakhtiarizadeh was exceptional this reason while yahya was mediocre. in TM however, its gonna be different, because yahya will be playing with better players around him, with a better coach who makes sure their defense is not vulnerable and in a calm and friendly environment where he can be supported!

zare, i dunno, he didnt have a very successful season, maybe because of his experience, branko just kept him. agian let me remind u, just being in the final 23 roster doesnt mean they will play!

frankly doctor jan, these questions of urs, i for sure cant answer properly, i can only try to find the reasons branko had in mind, why branko chooses a player like zare, i dont know, but for sure, branko does, and be sure, its a logical reason not some lajbazi like u say it is.

u kept accusing branko for his lajbazi of navidkia and alavi and kameli, yet all of them branko striked them off when he felt it was right, so he is not lajbaz like u say, its just that his view his different than urs, his information is different than urs (he is touch witht he players and can see everything close distance) and his qualifications, field of expertise and experience is different than urs (u know this one ) branko proved he doesnt go by names, or by favoritism by keeping out his favores players navidkia, kameli, alavi and rahmati, he proved he is no laj baz by subbing out his favorite player navidkia against costa rica aftger subbing him in for 40 minutes, so plz stop accusing him over 1 or 2 cases just because u or me cant find a logical explanation to it. afterall, if we could think like branko and know the purpose and reason behind every action and decision of branko, we could have been coaches as well. with the above examples, it is enough for us to have faith in him and know that he is doing his best for our TM. thats all

[Doctor DOOM]

thank you for your answer, yashar jan.

btw, you may want to revise the statements on :

-yahya not making stupid mistakes.

-also khatibi and kazemian are definitely NOT playmakers.

-also the lack of versatlity of mobaali

[yashar_fasihnia]

thank you for your answer, yashar jan.

btw, you may want to revise the statements on :

-yahya not making stupid mistakes.

-also khatibi and kazemian are definitely NOT playmakers.

-also the lack of versatlity of mobaali

ur welcome my friend, i always enjoy my conversations with u.
anywayz,
1)if ur talking about yahya's penalty kick against china, players have done it before and missed it as well. maybe it wasnt the wisest decision of his but i cant really remember any other signs of sillyness in him, specially if u consider the well timed tackles and the right times when he moves forward specially in TM, u can realize he is one of the smartest players of our team. if not, plz site me examples of yahya's stupid mistakes
and just a reminder, yahya has always been an offensive threat to opponents on corner kicks and freekicks with his good heading ability and jumps

2)kazemian never was a play maker and i never said so, khatibi, i said incase of emergency, which means when we cant have karimi, zandi and shojaei as playmakers, khatibi seems an option. again let me remind u, zandi is karimi's best replacement for AM, and we got shojaei too, so we dont have to worry about the AM position

3)mobali is quite versatile true, but so is kazemiyan(needless to mention kazemiyan can play both midfield and attack while mobali can play only midfield)

[zzgloo]

the most important accomplishment by Branko..
......................
Is not Being asian champs in 2002.
Is not being third place in asia..
Is not winning 26 out of 28 official games we played.
Is not Introducing many new tallents,other coaches dared to do so.
Is not bringing new system to our football, most Iranian clubs copy.
Is not Creating a level of consistancy we never had before.
Is not being open to all interviews and tolerating all criticisems.
is not reaching highest fifa ranking for TM.
.......................
The most important accomplishment by Branko, is achiving the highest level of expectations ever, by us fans and our critics,which has never been this high , in our entire history !!!!!

[Doctor DOOM]

hehehe ... yashar jan, apart from being a threat to our opponents, yahya has been a constant threat to our own teams also.
note the number of own goals scored by him.
( I thought you were keeping up with Iran's football )
no "silly mistakes" ?
anything worse than scoring against our own?

the only thing "sillier" would be taking a gun and shooting half the chaps on the field !

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the key word here is: "PLAY MAKER".
attack ? there are plenty , and in fact too many, for a team like Iran in this group.

zandi is not the right sub for karimi. ( he may do a patch up job, especially since his form has been terrible this season , also his recent injury hasnt done him and us any favors )
no-one in the 23 is, in fact.


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zz jan, a glance ( no need for a deep search ) at the record book, will prove he hasnt done anything sepcial, as everything he has done, has been done before, but with far less money, talent, backing, .... in much harder circumstances.
so he is nothing special.

opponents and winning streaks , is already dealt with.
unless we are to have the expectations of a pakistani or sri lankan team.
do u think we are in their levels?


high expectations by fans?
I agree.
considering the amount of time, money, exposure, backing, experience, ... at his disposal.
it is only natural to expect more.

but "achiving" and answering thee expectations????

are you sure?
excuse some of us if we think Iran has more potential than pakistan.