Bahrain - Iran (11/11/11) - WCQ

[maij]

Thanks for the detailed match day report, maij Jan.
I always enjoy reading such posts which give us, the fans who weren't there, a sense of how the atmosphere was.

You are welcome.

In theory, I agree with the bolded part.
Its just that I love Khalatbari too much and can't apply the theory you mentioned in his case

I have a feeling Khalatbari will put his mark on this World Cup qualification campaign before its over and when he does I expect you to call him by his full name: Diego Armando Khalatbari

hehehheee.....Amir Jan. I am getting used to this Applying of Double Standards by our honorable members here in PFDC , no offense to you , but if there is a rule or a theory , then it should be applied across the board and on everyone. That goes beyond football. You make exception then it is the necules of bias and the rest of the story.
I suspect that you were stunned by some act of individual brilliance by Khalatabry at some match that it is making it difficult for you to crticize him , regardless to any blunders he commits now or in future.

It is called KAS ....... "Khodadad Azizi Syndrome"

BTW: I would be over the moon when and if Khalatbary puts his mark in the coming matches.

Finally, about Nekounam:

I think you and Babak agha are a bit harsh on him.
After all, in my opinion, our equalizer in Manama came partly because of Nekounam's inspired play.

If you look at the replay of the equalizing goal, the ball almost went out for a throw-in to Iran.
Had this happened, Bahrain's defence would have re-grouped, not to mention they had a player on the sidelines ready for a change. All this would have killed Iran's momentum and, most probably, we would have lost.

Nekounam made an energetic sprint, stopped the ball from going out and sent a nice dipping cross into the box and the rest is history

I don't know about being harsh , I call what I see and I don't really find it of any value to be diplomatic. However , if you think I am harsh , you should have been there in Doha to listen to some of the things said about Nekounam by the Iranian journalists.

Nakounam was instrumental in scoring the equalizer ! well that is fine and kudos to him , but that does not bury the fact that he is under-performing.

I guess we all know that Nekounam is not a show-master and never really been a brilliant player in the class of Ali Karimi. His strength has always been in his hardwork , defensive coverage abilities and a few other attributes here and there like shooting and scoring. Right now , he is just not performing to his abilities and I don't know how else to explain it without getting people all worked up about it.

[Kaiser Amir]

if there is a rule or a theory , then it should be applied across the board and on everyone. That goes beyond football. You make exception then it is the necules of bias and the rest of the story.

You're right maij Jan with the above explanation.
However, I think no matter how hard you try, still you'll be biased toawards some things or someone.
I believe this is something that can't be avoided because its human nature.
All we can do is try to be as less biased as possible.

I suspect that you were stunned by some act of individual brilliance by Khalatabry at some match that it is making it difficult for you to crticize him

You're absolutely right.
I grew attached to Khalatbari after seeing him in Zob Ahan.
I have to admit though, in Zob Ahan, Khalatbari showed flashes of brilliance / scored crucial goals on regular basis.
In Team Melli, he is yet to reach that level.

if you think I am harsh , you should have been there in Doha to listen to some of the things said about Nekounam by the Iranian journalists.

Now you made me curious!
I was in Doha for the Asian Cup, I frequently visited Team Melli's hotel, but I didn't talk to the journalists.

I guess we all know that Nekounam is not a show-master and never really been a brilliant player in the class of Ali Karimi. His strength has always been in his hardwork , defensive coverage abilities and a few other attributes here and there like shooting and scoring. Right now , he is just not performing to his abilities and I don't know how else to explain it without getting people all worked up about it.

Well, I won't get worked up as I do value your opinions.
Plus, I've seen a few other members posting about Nekounam's dip in form.

However, even if this is the case, as you said earlier, we'll continue to see Nekounam in the starting "11".
So, I hope he'll improve his performances, especially since in the next round, against quality opposition, we'll need an in-form defensive midfielder to help our shaky defence.

[zzgloo]

Again that is a very wrong assumption and I am afraid many Iranians and Persians have this wrong streotyped mentality about Bahrain. The fact is , it the very opposite. I am surprised how can people judge another country's citizens affection and political leaning based on the act of a minioritry in a football stadium !!!!! Football stadiums have never been representative of people's culture. If you attended Football matches in England in the eighties , you would have thought that the British are abunch of criminals living in anarchy and thriving in violance....In REAL Life , England and the British were and are in no way near what football holigoons made them look.


I am sure you are a good looking Iranian........" Good for your wife " !!!!

As you said.....we see differently,and there is nothing wrong with that......In my opinion, it is exactly the opposite...the fans in stediums are real representetive of any culture....and intelegensia of any country are not........ German's fans who throw bananas at the Black players,in thier stediums are more representetive of Germany cultural view of race.... than thier intelectuals do ..........Fans ,since do not need to be poleticaly right,always show thier true self and culture........and Bahrainies with Thier public vote during the Shah to seperate themsleves from IRAN,also shown thier public sentiments, as well as Langauge disaffiliation and historical indifference they have had toward the " Big bully across the Gulf " !!!
More over, in all international interviews of bahrainies' personalities, and thier fans, and thier poletcial affiliations, and Iranian flag burnings,cheering for the saudies against IRAN, etc,etc.........they have shown thier true anti-Iran culture when they did not have to be poleticaly right.

You think he may be the most attack minded coach that we ever had and I think he is conservative! Well.....Our ideas are so far apart that it is certainly not much use debating the issue.

One thing that i find confilcting in your statement is that you say thay CQ is the most attack minded coach , but at the end you mention about the little time he has been with us . Surely then , that little time he had as you said , is not enough to judge a coach so strongly by labeling him as the most attacking coach. Or , maybe I am missing somethinhg here!

.Yes....yes I believe you are missing a part in my previouse post, when I judged CQ based on his work out side of IRAN,and not his time with TM.........CQ...said on his interview that TM is getting close to have consistancy...........true or not, that means he is looking for consistancy.........and by his game plan against Bahrain,it is apparant that is not achived yet.........
If a coach has attacking mind....should he start all out attack when he has not reached consistancy ?when his players have not understood exactly what he is trying to do ?...........Attacking football...does not mean risky football, and can only be applied when coaches feel comfortable with the application of his exact plans.


...The Bottom line is...the guy is a very good coach,and used to work with a higher class players with work ethics...and he may not say it, but does not trust the abilities and intelegence of his Iranian players yet...........mean while, he cares about his commitment as well as his resume....so he is taking it little by little, and initialy a little conservative..........but, when it will be his final works and WC emplications at the final stages when he developed his players to his liking...then we will see his Portugues attacking football....as no other coach in the world could do his style without proper planning and time ...
.

[maij]

Amir Jan.

i am quite disappointed that we did not meet in Doha. It would have been a marvelous opportunity. I actually never went to the Sheraton Hotel where the boyz were staying simply because there was very little time to do and so much other activities. However , one night we ( myself and 4 of friends/colleagues journalist) decided to visit the boyz. I had a car and was driving, but there was so much traffic around Sheraton and basically no parking space, After an hour of trying to find a park , we failed and hence returned back and headed somewhere else.

I quite agree with you on Khalatbary's Zob Ahan performance. Frankly he was on a brilliant run and he single handed , managed to win some matches for the steel Men. But in team Melli , the jury is out on him. It is not unusual that a player fails to imitate his club form in his national team... Does Lionel Messi ring a bell ?

On Nekounam , he is still one of the pillars of the team and I would be very hesitant to bench a player of his caliber. Like I said , our only option is to wish that he is at his best.

[maij]

Bahram Agha.

When you tell me something about Queiroz that I find conflicting , as I find your theory is different from the reality , I still appreciate your point of view despite my doubts. However , when you try to tell me about my own people and preach to me the political situation in my own back yard , then this is hitting below the belt.

[Kaiser Amir]

Amir Jan.

i am quite disappointed that we did not meet in Doha. It would have been a marvelous opportunity. I actually never went to the Sheraton Hotel where the boyz were staying simply because there was very little time to do and so much other activities. However , one night we ( myself and 4 of friends/colleagues journalist) decided to visit the boyz. I had a car and was driving, but there was so much traffic around Sheraton and basically no parking space, After an hour of trying to find a park , we failed and hence returned back and headed somewhere else.

Unfortunatly maij Jan, I only found out about you being in Doha after I returned to Bucharest.
I would have very much liked to meet you in Qatar.

I was also very busy while in Doha.
I had to divide my time between doing a series of reports for our newspaper and Team Melli.

I remember I slept around 5 hours a night during the period I stayed in Doha
However, I had a great time.

I was so happy I hardly ate anything or did anything other than hanging around Team Melli in my free time.
On a Friday night, I couldn't get a cab from my hotel (near the Souk), so I just walked all the way to Team Melli's hotel in the other part of Doha.
That was some experience

I went to the Sheraton hotel so often, by the end of my trip, almost all of the hotel staff knew me

I quite agree with you on Khalatbary's Zob Ahan performance. Frankly he was on a brilliant run and he single handed , managed to win some matches for the steel Men. But in team Melli , the jury is out on him. It is not unusual that a player fails to imitate his club form in his national team... Does Lionel Messi ring a bell ?

Khalatbari...Messi...Now we're talking maij Jan

Seriously though, you're right.
Khalatbari hasn't produced his Zob Ahan performances in Team Melli.
And, to be honest, from what I've heard, even in Al-Gharafa the club officials aren't really satisfied with him either.

However, I still have faith in him

[zzgloo]

Bahram Agha.

When you tell me something about Queiroz that I find conflicting , as I find your theory is different from the reality , I still appreciate your point of view despite my doubts. However , when you try to tell me about my own people and preach to me the political situation in my own back yard , then this is hitting below the belt.

Majid jaan.....I hope through these years on PFDC together, you have gotten enough Idea about me that..I would defenetly do not wish to hit bellow the belt...specialy something that is very important for you...........although I did not know you feel that strongly about Bahrain.........nor am I very certain in my statements.....but please believe me that the belief that " Bahrainies do not like Iranians " is not made by me....and you must have heard it at some other corners........
nevertheless, just because of you, from this day forward, I shall never say anything regarding this matter.......and I take your word for it, that such thing does not exist !......That much you are important to me !.........and I very well may have been wrong in assesment of Bahrainies general public..and accepted the negative views too soon.
.
Regarding CQ....lets agree to disagree .

[Keano]

Amir Jan.

i am quite disappointed that we did not meet in Doha. It would have been a marvelous opportunity.

As a matter of fact I am very glad and thankful to God that you 2 didn't meet. Amir already had too much awkward homo encounters with TM players, so you two stumbling each other would have been the icing on the cake, Amir getting Nosrati's shorts as a gift hahaha was already too much for us PFDC members to handle, all we needed was Amir & Maij's encounter, God knows what would have been exchanged as gifts! LOL JK

Jokes aside. I too believe Iranians overall have a wrong perception of Bahrain as a country. The bizarre actions of a few idiots on the field and dancing around with KSA's flag does not depict the entire country as a whole. Stereotyping is one flawed characteristics of the middle eastern overall. Bahrain in General is perhaps one of the closest Persian gulf countries to Iran and Iranians, the problem is that those imbeciles who paraded around with the Saudis' flag tarnished the entire Bahrainis' image in the eyes of millions of Iranians, which is wrong!

Talking of Khalatbari, his recent performances with TM have not been convincing enough for me to start him against Indonesia. I would bring him in around 50'.

[maij]

Majid jaan.....I hope through these years on PFDC together, you have gotten enough Idea about me that..I would defenetly do not wish to hit bellow the belt...specialy something that is very important for you...........although I did not know you feel that strongly about Bahrain.........nor am I very certain in my statements.....but please believe me that the belief that " Bahrainies do not like Iranians " is not made by me....and you must have heard it at some other corners........
nevertheless, just because of you, from this day forward, I shall never say anything regarding this matter.......and I take your word for it, that such thing does not exist !......That much you are important to me !.........and I very well may have been wrong in assesment of Bahrainies general public..and accepted the negative views too soon.
.
Regarding CQ....lets agree to disagree .

Agha Bahram Aziz

For decades we have been prosecuted and subjected to discrimination, racism , prejudice in which people suffered a lot of hardship to the degree that some of us even lost their jobs and livelihood simply because they dared to speak in their Mother lounge , Farsi , and suffered other adversities because of our roots and race. So , when you come and tell me that Bahraini’s hate Iran , it is certainly disturbing.

Yes , there are those who hate , but it is definitely not the majority.

There is no shame at all in seeking knowledge and facts about a country or a society and what better than asking someone who lives there and experienced all the hardship. The problems starts when a person believes the myths from unwitting ill informed people sitting behind keyboards and screens who think that by punching a few keys, they will know the answer for everything in the world! ..that is plain wrong.

I definately know your noble feelings , and where you stand Bahram jan, I am just saying that you should not listen to the lies or half facts and sometimes the fabrications that is so eaisly spread on the web.

[zzgloo]

Agha Bahram Aziz

For decades we have been prosecuted and subjected to discrimination, racism , prejudice in which people suffered a lot of hardship to the degree that some of us even lost their jobs and livelihood simply because they dared to speak in their Mother lounge , Farsi , and suffered other adversities because of our roots and race. So , when you come and tell me that Bahraini’s hate Iran , it is certainly disturbing.

Yes , there are those who hate , but it is definitely not the majority.

There is no shame at all in seeking knowledge and facts about a country or a society and what better than asking someone who lives there and experienced all the hardship. The problems starts when a person believes the myths from unwitting ill informed people sitting behind keyboards and screens who think that by punching a few keys, they will know the answer for everything in the world! ..that is plain wrong.

I definately know your noble feelings , and where you stand Bahram jan, I am just saying that you should not listen to the lies or half facts and sometimes the fabrications that is so eaisly spread on the web.

I appreciate your sence of belonging to the Iranian haritage....as I do as well.......nevertheless,we Iranians have our own shortcomings.......as we often talked about it in many threads through these years.......
How you feel,is very similar,perhaps your feeling are deeper,to how I feel living in USA,and being citizen of it......I am full of criticisms toward USA and IRAN at the same time...yet proud to be of Iranian haritage,as well as being greatful to USA,and admiring its good people........
Ambivalance may be the best word to discribe it.......and who do I defend at any momet,is dependent on who I am talking to !!and what the situation is....