How to Tell the Boss He is Wrong

[maij]

thanks majid joon,
but here I m staring at my comp amazed.
that "poetry" was sung on many other occasions like in 95 .... in fact ESPECIALLY IN 95. but nobody agreed with me!

Now , I do , if it is of any comfort to you

[Doctor DOOM]

no day is too late for salvation, brother. glad you've joined the brotherhood


another thing. with due respect, I personally dont think CQ is by far the most high profile or profficient or famous coach we've had since Ofarrel.

lets not forget in 2001 we hired the fourth ranked coach (Blazevic) in the 98 WC. and I doubt we've ever come close to such a high ranking coach.

It's a different matter if most of us like Ivic more than Ciro. but hard and cold stats say Ciro was our highest venture. certainly above what CQ's.



disclaimer: this is NOT a criticism of CQ, btw. before some ppl jump to conclusions

[zzgloo]

I for one believe, if the system changes.....Our football will get worse,not better, for some time......
The issue of negative influence of our system on our football is very complex......as islamic republic treats football ( and movie making,or any other propaganda machines ) differently.......it might be hard to believe, but islamic republic acctualy has gone out of its way,to make our football ' The best ' in the world ( or so they believe ).......Football in our system would have had far less budget and far less attention and help , had it not been a propaganda machine.......which while it may be good for long run proffessional football, but very bad in short term......
...
So, our football is a very complex phenamyna, and dynamic, and so many vareables influence it,most even contradictory.........and non of them is natural !........the only constant TM can possibly have to create an ac****ebility and some minimal consistancy.....is the head coaching job...........
so for all reasons above.......head coach of TM , is " practicaly " ( and that is the key word )..,the most important " Link " for our National team perfomance.

[maij]

no day is too late for salvation, brother. glad you've joined the brotherhood


another thing. with due respect, I personally dont think CQ is by far the most high profile or profficient or famous coach we've had since Ofarrel.

lets not forget in 2001 we hired the fourth ranked coach (Blazevic) in the 98 WC. and I doubt we've ever come close to such a high ranking coach.

It's a different matter if most of us like Ivic more than Ciro. but hard and cold stats say Ciro was our highest venture. certainly above what CQ's.



disclaimer: this is NOT a criticism of CQ, btw. before some ppl jump to conclusions

oOH.....I forgot about him . You are right, Ciro was the highest profile coach.

[Hajagha]

^ Well I think CQ has a higher profile than Ciro. He is from West Europe and at his prime, While Ciro was from East Europe and passed his prime when he joined us.

My thought though, not fact.

Cheers,

[Adesor Vafaseya]

[Doctor DOOM]

as long as we're talking about "profile & world standing" (and not impact or likability or ...) none of our coaches have reached a world cup semifinals except Ciro with croatia.

[maij]

INteresting Debate

We have 4 different coaches vying for the title of the highest profile coach that served with Team Melli.

O'Farrel , Ivic , Ciro and Queiroz.

I guess , before we decide a winner , we need to define the requirement of what a High Profile coach entails.

I don't want to side track from the original topic , but it does open a very interesting argument indeed.

I don't think think there is much doubt on the winner of the other end , the lowest profile..

[zzgloo]

If I am not mistaking...Frank O'Farrel..had only the resume of coaching " cardif City " Lower level English Team, before joining the TM.

[maij]

If I am not mistaking...Frank O'Farrel..had only the resume of coaching " cardif City " Lower level English Team, before joining the TM.

Teams managed
1961–1965 Weymouth
1965–1968 Torquay United
1968–1971 Leicester City
1971–1972 Manchester United
1973–1974 Cardiff City
1974–1976 Iran
1976-1977 Torquay United
1980 Al-Shaab
1981–1982 Torquay United

[zzgloo]

WeymouthTorquay UnitedLeicester CityManchester UnitedCardiff CityIran
1976-1977 Torquay United
1980 Al-ShaabTorquay United

thanks majid jaan......I stand corrected.....

[Adesor Vafaseya]

as long as we're talking about "profile & world standing" (and not impact or likability or ...) none of our coaches have reached a world cup semifinals except Ciro with croatia.

I believe as Maij Jan said, we need to define how we base our ratings.

Fabio Cappello never reached a World Cup semi-finals, but I rate him higher than Ciro based on his performance in Serie A and Championsleague titles won.

Carlos Alberto Pareira won the world Cup with Brazil, but I rate Ottmar Hitzfeld higher than him.

while I do respect your point of view and accept that "likability" should not count in ratings, I do believe oppinions will differ in selecting the criteria!

However, I feel its safe to say, as you pointed out earlier, that Ciro and Ivic were among the best we ever had! for sure!

[zzgloo]

past resume is fine...but acctual success and adaptation is what count the most.............
I do not believe, even Sir Feguson, would and could be as successful as " Luka " has been with Sepahan , and in IRAN in general.....
Most that counts, is not how much you know, or how much you have done in the past,although neccessary,.....it is all how much you adapt,and get result with all limitations........
All these forign coaches got thier resume on ideal situations......and such situation does not exist in third world countries ,and defenetly not in IRAN....

The best forign coaches whom had success in IRAN ;

1- Rykov.
2-Branko.
3-Luka.

Eastern Europeans,appear to have had a thicker skins..........and I hope, QC is an exception.

[Hajagha]

I believe as Maij Jan said, we need to define how we base our ratings.
Fabio Cappello never reached a World Cup semi-finals, but I rate him higher than Ciro based on his performance in Serie A and Championsleague titles won.
Carlos Alberto Pareira won the world Cup with Brazil, but I rate Ottmar Hitzfeld higher than him.
while I do respect your point of view and accept that "likability" should not count in ratings, I do believe oppinions will differ in selecting the criteria!
However, I feel its safe to say, as you pointed out earlier, that Ciro and Ivic were among the best we ever had! for sure!

Well said.

In last couple of thousands years, there was a measurement invented for evaluation.

It's called "MONEY"

If some thing is higher quality. It's more expensive and people are willing to pay more.

mmm, let's rank our coaches based on their salary then.

Cheers,

[Babak agha]

^So ghotbi has been one of the best coaches in the world.......