Not even funny anymore

[Martin-Reza]

People indeed bash Mirazpour for conceding three goals he had absolutely no fault on and barely any chance to do sth about it.

If the majority really thinks like that, we have no chance to achieve any improvement in our football in near future. This is just one example of many shortcomings in knowledge of our fans. Another one would be blaming Yahya on a (meaningless) owngoal he had absolutely no fault on.

The state of knowledge of many fans is really shocking. This status of knowledge means that any attempts of improvement will be rejected by many fans and probably won't be able to have success.

[BehzadB]

MR Jan,

I did not watch the game, So I don't know what happend today, but I agree with the fact that most of our fans (even on these boards and myself included) are not very knowledgable about Football. I have no argument there.

However, why should we expect it any other way. Why should we even expect the fans to be knowledgeable about football? I don't agree with you that our fans expectation of Mirza or their dissatisfaction with him or any other player for that matter is a short coming. Would our football be better off, if our fans were indifferent to it all? do you think our football would have been better off if our fans were ALL just Hoora Hoora. Is that even possible?

I still say that Mirza will be standing in our goal at the WC, but it would not bother me a bit if Talebloo did. But I am and will be worried about Gol and Kaabi.

[Martin-Reza]

I also wouldn't bother much if Talebloo would be in goal (although I think Mirzapour is a tiny bit better, or rather a tiny bit less bad ), but I would bother if Talebloo was in goal and many people would bash him constantly, also for stuff he can't do anything about. This is not an atmosphere for success, and that's worrying me.

People here on the Forums cannot influence the lineup, but they can influence the attitude of other fans and therefore the atmosphere around the team, which is damn important.

I don't demand fans to be knowledgeable, I demand fans to know on which level they are. I also don't consider myself an expert, so I don't have understanding for anyone approximately on my level of knowledge considering himself as one or acting like one. And despite numerous claims not to be an expert or not needing to be an expert to know this and that, too many people still act as if they were experts.

[sabziabzi]

it all goes back to the over-emotionalness of iranians, especially in regards to football. after china ac04 and the qatar game, i think a majority of iranians would have physically harmed golmo if they saw him in the street. but then a few months later, he was our savior, the key of our defense, one of the towers with rezaei, a great defender who moved very well without the ball, etc etc. ridiculous....

the thing about talebloo is although he might be effective in goal (and i agree about the "tiny less bad" of M-R), he still hasn't experienced the pressure and criticism a stage like the world cup brings. i beg to differ on that issue in regards to mirzapour...the AC, WCQ and other tournaments we've played in have been pressure-filled and heck he's been criticized to death and he can handle it. i think that ability to deal with criticism through experience and the pressure and game experience make mirzapour the better choice.

[186forever]

People indeed bash Mirazpour for conceding three goals he had absolutely no fault on and barely any chance to do sth about it.
If the majority really thinks like that, we have no chance to achieve any improvement in our football in near future. This is just one example of many shortcomings in knowledge of our fans. Another one would be blaming Yahya on a (meaningless) owngoal he had absolutely no fault on.
The state of knowledge of many fans is really shocking. This status of knowledge means that any attempts of improvement will be rejected by many fans and probably won't be able to have success.

off topic...well not really
but if Mirzapour F...s up the game against Mexico...will u have the gutts to come and say months later than Mirzapour Cost us the World cup or the Mexico game? just like u do with Karim Bagheri and that stupid Bahrain game where NO ONE played well for Iran....
and despite being the best defender in IPL for a very very long time now consistantly....still did not get called up for even the bench.....
will u?....just asking
it s funny how u mention golmohammadi and how wrong it is to bash him because of one game..but u still blame one of Iran s best MDs for one game where no one played well

[zzgloo]

In my opinion, it is too late to change anybody that is a fix starter...unless they get injured....our starters have proven themseleves enough,not to be side lined with some mistakes on thier club games.and the best the other candidates can do, is to show good performances to be on the reserve.
critics can argue as much as they want...but this is how it is.

[Hadi]

I agree Yahya and Mirzapor were not to balme for yesterday's goals but both of them haven't been playing like TM players in the past year.

If we want to look at this season only, Bakhtiyarizade, Bagheri and Hosseini have done better than Yahya and Talebloo has certainly been better than Mirzapor.

same case with Borhani, Alavi and Kabi.

Looking at the performance of this season, such a defensive line will surely look shaky:
---------------Mirza-----------------
-Kabi------Yahya--Rahman------Nosrati

[Martin-Reza]

off topic...well not really
but if Mirzapour F...s up the game against Mexico...will u have the gutts to come and say months later than Mirzapour Cost us the World cup or the Mexico game? just like u do with Karim Bagheri and that stupid Bahrain game where NO ONE played well for Iran....
and despite being the best defender in IPL for a very very long time now consistantly....still did not get called up for even the bench.....
will u?....just asking
it s funny how u mention golmohammadi and how wrong it is to bash him because of one game..but u still blame one of Iran s best MDs for one game where no one played well

Why not? I'm almost sure Mirzapour will mess up at least once. But I am as sure all alternatives would do so as well. There is no reason to act as if Mirzapour was so great nor is there any reason to deny his mistakes in the past.

But people love scapegoats and I surely won't take part in the game of blaming unguilty players. And quite obviously many people share the quite shocking idea that generally a keeper who concedes two or three goals in any match must be replaced, which is just bs.

[186forever]

Why not? I'm almost sure Mirzapour will mess up at least once. But I am as sure all alternatives would do so as well. There is no reason to act as if Mirzapour was so great nor is there any reason to deny his mistakes in the past.
But people love scapegoats and I surely won't take part in the game of blaming unguilty players. And quite obviously many people share the quite shocking idea that generally a keeper who concedes two or three goals in any match must be replaced, which is just bs.

ok
but my main point was about Bagheri....
you just seem to support players like Nosrati, Mirza....that have time after time gave 100s of sootis but you still bring bagheri and that one game up everytime there s discussion about his comeback to TM....but whatever
and regarding Mirzapour...it s not just these 2 games and the amount of goals conceded (eventhough it looks really bad for him on paper)
it is because he simply has not and will not improve
the man still can not send a decent goalkick around Vahid's area...and well, u tell me how much he has improved over the past let s say 2-3 years....so it is not just looking at one game and judging them......(kinda like bagheri and 2001 again)

if we re gonna give a number of how good Mirza is...well before the Asian cup from a scale out of 100 he was probably 60
then during the Asian cup he improved to 65 and during the qualifications about 69-70 and then during the friendlies back to 60s and now...I don t know 50? So are we to just pray to god that he will suddenly go back up to 70 in 1 month? It is as if he s regressed...I mean ok people like to see their players improve or at least stay constant in terms of their ability but not regress...
Did he AT LEAST ONCE in any freaking game show us that he has improved even 1% more than before in terms of his exits and cross gatherings?
At least the old Gholampour used to surprise his fans from time to time eventhough he was a unique piece of inconsistant keeper I ve ever seen....his theory of begir nagir was more like begir, nagir, nagir, nagir, begir.......

[yashar_fasihnia]

just a few comments:
1) none of our GK's are worldclass, so we cant expect wonders from any of them. each of them have their own plus and minus points, each of them can save certain chances but concede certain other chances. we cant compare talebloo's performance who was supported by the best defense in IPL with mirzapoor's performance in a team whose defense sux! but this doesnt take away any credibility from talebloo's amazing talent and well deserved praise. but on an international scale,many of u say guys like enayati, kazemian and khatibi cant perform and thats because not only the level of football is different but thepressure and psychological stress "zamin ta asemoon fargh dare" for the world cup, we need an experienced GK, someone who doesnt shake in his boots if he has to face a freekick from figo or ronaldo, someone who doesnt loose his cool if he makes a mistake and concedes a goal, someone who is coordinated with our TM defense line, someone who knows our defense lines strong points and weak points and can decide accordingly and vice versa,etc. All these are features that mirzapoor has but talebloo doesnt. i personally like talebloo cos he has done miracles for esteghlal this season, but its not rational to play an inexperienced GK for our worldcup with just 1 month to go. inshalla after the worldcup, talebloo can get more TM practice, maybe starting with the asian cup qualifier against the easy teams and hopefully makes it through to the TM#1 jersey if he really deserves it, but for the time being, mirzapoor is our most rational choice for the worldcup.

2)karim bagheri might have been one of the best defenders in IPL this season, but to say he was the best is slighly subjective and biased. if he really did show an extraordinary performance and clearly stood out above the rest, he would get a call from branko, atleast be tried out just like bakhtiarizade.

3)some of our players might be out of form right now, but im pretty they will do their best in worldcup and thats simply because the worldcup is the highest level of competition and its every iranian's dream right from the day he plays football in his school's "zange varzesh" and starts shouting to himself "karimi dribbles the first, then the second.." with his fake iran shirt and his dirty sneakers. no matter how unmotivated the iranian players might look against a macedonia C team, i can guarantee u guys iran would have won the most "gheyrati" team if there existed such an award in the worldcup.
simply because the situaiton is different. we all know none of our iranian players have ever let us down in any big event, except for some childish mistakes by our young players which is expected cos of their age and inexperience! youngsters from all around the world do it, not just us. yahya playing in saba, kaabi playing in foolad, mirzapoor playing foolad cant be compared to them collectively playing together in TM! no world class GK can save his team when his defense line sux so bad, his offense line wastes every chance, his midfield is so young and inexperienced, the management of his club is so shaky and unorganized and other problems!
right now, we have 2 or 3 friendlies left, we have our final players selected and we got 1 month to the worldcup. all we need to do is get rid ofthis negative atmosphere cos we all know we cant change anyhting and this is basically wat iran has to offer for this worldcup, so we just need to support them and create a postive, friendly and trustworthy atmoshpere. hopefulyl these 2 3 friendlies will help our boys get their acts back together, and warm them up for our 3 crucial group games! infact, i think that these 2 3 games, its more important our main players get some playtime to warm them up cos basically, the testing of players phase is kinda over and its more important to get our main players who have had injuries or not the best performances in their clubs back to the required level.

[perspolees]

this is how it happens martinjan!
when the righteousness of the righteous people is overlooked and they go undeservedly under or do not see any good coming out of their efforts then the attacks turn around and focus on negative and agreeably stupid bashings like the one you mentioned about Mirzapour.
...Mirzapour and some other players have been blessed by Branko's blanket approval, they have naturally done nothing to improve

it is beyond pathetic, bith the blanket approval and the shameless or moreso baseless bashings!

[186forever]

For the love of GOD
I mean even RAUL's Freaking spot is ungaranteed for Spain and WC...but Nosrati and Mirza are fixed no matter what...

well u might say yea there s a much higher competition in Spain and their players than ours....but my point is even RAUL(one of the greatest of Spain ever) is not garanteed a spot in the starting 11....

[KasraKhan]

If we want to look at this season only, Bakhtiyarizade, Bagheri and Hosseini have done better than Yahya and Talebloo has certainly been better than Mirzapor.

I agree, but I also think that if they performed better this season in the IPL, then why should they not have the oppurtunity to play? I Hate how some players are just handed starting spots

[Martin-Reza]

ok
but my main point was about Bagheri....
you just seem to support players like Nosrati, Mirza....that have time after time gave 100s of sootis but you still bring bagheri and that one game up everytime there s discussion about his comeback to TM...

First of all Bagheri, other than Mirza and probably Nosrati, was a player of high international class and for such players it is not acceptable to present an opponent three goals in a very decisive match. Neither Nosrati nor Mirza have given away three goals foolishly in a damn important game.

Just to clear out any misunderstandings, I don't want Bagheri in TM because of his current performances, not because of his mistakes in 2001. Just because people overrate his current performances and of course can't be convinced easily, it helps to bring up the 2001 example sometimes .

[maij]

I understand the coach dilemma when there are very little options for a certain post, but in goalkeeping, I think we have better options than Mirzapour.