Your assessment of past 3 TM coaches.

[zzgloo]

2- branko digeh cheh khariyeh?
that freaking wimp,
the idiot
croatian wimp !
his stupid name

My dear payman.....You analysis of Branko,does not sound objective !
But frankly ,I admit,I feel very similar about Daei...so,we are even !!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Many,keep bringing up daei,s playing time when they want to support his coaching !!!,and I had to explain,it was not relevent.
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Branko had 5 years,because he did nothing to be fired for...he got IRAN to a very good Asian games aand results...he got Iran to 15 th rank of FIFA,and he got IRAN to the world cup.............what els do you want from a country with big problems,and mediocre football in Asia?
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[Doctor DOOM]

bahram jan
1- I didnt ask for opinion on daei as a player. we're just assessing his coaching , which I have differing opinion to urs.

2- branko digeh cheh khariyeh?
he was given 5 years to get his mediocre results. I'm sure if u give even ghotbi 5 yrs he WILL get at least the same as that freaking wimp, if not better. the idiot had the longest tenure for a coach. this is something most of you ppl forget. five years allows you a lot of leeway and room.
where was GN's security? being a vatani, he was attacked from the get go till the end. never enjoyed the kind of security that croatian wimp enjoyed!
where was daei's even? he too wasnt exactly let off easy.
so before we bring his stupid name I recommend we take in ALL the peripheral issues as well.

we're checking on the last 3 vatani coaches to find their good points as well as the bad ones.
all 3 of whom got their orders prematurely and too early. if we had waited for a few more years, I am sure all these 3 would have done a better job

[zzgloo]

1- GN

was, and is the best Iranian coach....,he was not given enough chances, not nearly as much as , Branko,daei,and Ghotbi had had.He will be a champ again with Sepahan this year,as a proof ,once again ,to be the best in what IRAN can offer in coaching.

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2- Daei

He was a Bad Joke,.......
As a player,while he scored a record goal,yet they were not due to his talents( he hardly could drible any body,nor had he had any speed )...it was more due to his hieght and ( Ghayrat ),which not many Iranian players have had,specialy at his position.......
and as a coach, he is without any knowledge ( despite his time in Europe),nor smarts to manage a team, specialy at national level.He gave no teaching,only shoveling around new players...and TM at the time, was not strong enough to such massive changes,nor ability to do without stars........He damaged Iranian football,as a coach, more than any coach in our history.

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3- Branko

While he got his chance of his life from TM,and he would not have been a head coach,had TM not given him the oppurtunity.....yet, he with his PHD,indeed was smart,and handled Iranian culture ( foriegn to him ) pretty well............He has had the best record,all time, among all Iranian coaches,through out our History,and he should be respected accordingly.He brought stability,where stability was not possible.Under Branko,TM had highest FIFA ranking in our history. ( 15 th ),...a task that may never be repeated !

[Doctor DOOM]

On the eve of the qatar tourney and from what it looks like, the possible dismissal of ghotbi, in his worthless honor, I'd like to start a discussion on our own assessment of the past 3 TM coaches.

it's rather simple.
what we liked about him and what we didnt.
sort of a pros and cons from OUR personal point of view.

in order of appearance:
1- GN
2- Daei
3- Ghotbi

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1) GN

LIKES:
- for starters I think his record and stats beats the other 2 men.

- I guess he did show a bit of variation in his formation and tactics, which is always a positive for me

- initially he looked quite adventurous and aggressive and that paid dirt for the team. he, like EVERY OTHER VATANI COACH we've had, lost his nerves and become overtly cautious only in the middle of asia cup games, and the highlight of his catious mind was the korean game. where we dominated the koreans but poor substitutions and gameplan for the final stretch of the game resulted in the draw and .... the rest is history

DISLIKES:
- as mentioned above, his later-stage cautiousness which cost us the asia cup
his poor substitutions in the korean game was just the last nail on the coffin

- his insistence on khatibi and eneyati beyond reasonable limits. I understand and agree we could have had them in the team. but too much reliance on them was wrong.

- his unpolished and naive behavior and speeches really was unbecoming of a nat'l team coach


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2) DAEI

LIKES:

- He had bundles of experience and exposure to top grade football.

- he oozed with charisma which would have made him a very dominant coach, especially among the new generation

- he showed variety in tactics and formations

- for the LB, he brought in ashjari, who was miles of improvement over that zareh chap
(he did bring in other players like khalatbari and rezaei and ... . but that is a normal trend in any TM as coaches bring in the in-form players of the time. so he did the normal thing. not doing it would have been a negative mark)

- the team was rejuvenated and with fresh blood coming in, we looked like a team on the rise. aside from his personal shit with a few players, the doors of TM was open to all of the league.

- his appetite and hunger & desire to achieve (seen mostly in earlier stages of his tenure. near the end, he was too confused or unprepared for this stage)

DISLIKES:

- his mixing of his personal issues with a few players (karimi, mobaali, ..) really deprived the team of more strength and efficiency at a time that we needed it the most.

- much like other vatani coaches, lost his nerves during the WCQ's final round and became overtly cautious. culminating in the horrible choices he made during the saudi game and the south korea in tehran. poor substitution choices, single forward even in games we needed to win or were behind, .... etc.

- inflexibility to deal with criticism, even those constructive ones that would have helped him and TM a lot if he had the ears (and the sense).

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3) GHOTBI

LIKES:

- he is refined and his calm and respectful demeanor shd be a model to our vatani coaches

- he also, like daei, kept the doors of the team open to all players in form. for me, I'd even add: he brought kazemian and mobaali back to TM deservedly.


DISLIKES:

- his insistence on a set formation, no matter what the situation and circumstances of the team or game. referring to the signle forward line up, even when we needed to win (hint at uae and north korea games in wcq's)

- his lack of variation in tactics as the team plays a monotonous game with no real spikes in performance. this monotony would have been ideal if we were playing GOOD football. but we're playing poor quality football and we just cant seem to be able to raise it!

- senseless benching of the league's top performer, khalatbari with no explanation

- his lack of appetitie for goals and convincing victories. he just lacks the hunger or the fire in the belly (showed in GN and Daei) to over-achieve. any meager, paltry result will do for him!!

- garbage promises (we know all of those about WCQ', the south korean game, now, the asia cup) that only show his naive, immature nature that wants to please ppl no matter how ridiculous the promise. or just a charlatan who thinks he can fool the ppl with empty but big promises. take ur pick

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in the end let me say for all our vatani coaches there is a red line where they lose their sense of adventure and lose their nerves and become cautious and passive. each and every one of them has shown this.
this line depends on the importance of a crucial occasion (asia cup, wcq, ... ) and exists for everyone.
the problem is for some the line is reached very early and in not so dire occasions like ghotbi, and for some it takes a while to reach that line and the team enjoyed a longer spell of aggressive, positive and offensive style like GN