Today's NAVAD program with MK

[Hadi]

PERIOD!

[Doctor DOOM]

Aay doroogh goo.
Khoda adam-e doroogh-goo ro migireh .......


anyway, I hope this little test proved my point.

cheers

[Hadi]

na baba bar nakhord ke

entezaresho nadashtam.

[Doctor DOOM]

^ hala didi ... behet bar khord.

that was just to show you such things DO affect us even when we're on friendly terms and things are honky dory and there's no such stress.

now, imagine what the players who need to feel confident and see their ppl trust in their abilities, would feel after that crummy poll.


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in case there's any need for explanation,
we both know I didnt mean any of those things. that was just a test to show you at best of times, with no tension, we are affected by words . multiply this by 70 million for TM players now.

[Hadi]

no by smart way of talking I mean:

constantly replying Ferdowsipor with more questions (instead of answers). Acting as if he doesn't understand some of the questions while he perfectly understood most of the questions and their meaning.
Wasting the time by talking constantly about trivial matters and not the main points (i.e How he became TM coach, His salary and contract length, His plans for TM in the future, etc)
Saying quick sentences without ending them (JAV SAZI), repeating a single points many times with different tones of speech,



Regarding the first point, you constantly attacked my understanding (and literally called me a NAFAHM, which is pretty rude and shows immaturity when you call someone NAFAHM in an argument)
This is the first time I have seen such offensive words from you, and I admit, I am very surprised.


Regarding me being allowed in the F+ forum, I was among the creators of this forum, of course with permission from you (and your extraordinary level of understanding, logic, and supreme brain power)

[Doctor DOOM]

here's something hadi may understand.

a couple of nights before ur final exam in whatever field. you know this exam is a crucial one and lately you've suffered a couple of set backs and u'r not morally upbeat at the moment.

then you have ur dad, mom, siblings and a few others gathered at ur house express utter lack of confidence in u being able to pass the exam. they're all "oh but you'll fail" "hadi jan ke nemitooneh", "hadi? pass this exam? hahaha", ... and so on.

if you say that doesnt affect ur confidence in a negative way, then I guess I'm wasting my time here, with you .... coz ur logic sucks and you've shown to be pretty inferior in understanding the most simple notions of reality that even a kid quarter your age would grasp
and makes me wonder why you're even allowed in F+ forum.

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regarding MK:

This guy is an actor and a fraud and is an expert of using facial gestures and smart way of talking.

are you referring to him producing data on cases that ferdosipoor brought up? omid team, peykan, ... ?

that IS smart, coz facts are facts.
you cant blame a coach on a team's relegation based on TWO months of his coaching!

and his Omid team, unlike others DID progress to the latter stage ... where others have failed at even that !!

[Hadi]

regarding MK:

This guy is an actor and a fraud and is an expert of using facial gestures and smart way of talking.

He refused to answer many questions and then he answered some questions like a mad man who is on pills.

He is nuts

[Hadi]

I think there is plenty of reality for all the players to feel the weight of the situation. PLENTY of it.

so much that there is no need to add "ppl's lack of trust and lack of confidence in them" to the fray.
Do make the distinction here. there is no "digging heads into the sand here". everyone is quite aware of the dangers & gravity of the situation.

But to undermine a team's morale, just when we shd boost it to craete some little chance of overcoming the odds, is plain crass and destructive.

there is a difference here. this is NOT transparency as if had adel not conducted the poll ppl would think we're gonna waltz into the WC!! ( is that what you were thinking until the poll ? until the truth was revealed to you ?)

was our desperate situation some great state secret that ppl were too dumb to know about, and it had to take a "revelation" to disclose this deep dark secret?
really?

this poll was nothing but an immature, poorly thought knee jerk reaction we Iranians, are slowly becoming famous for !!!

sorry doctor jan your argument is flawed.

you can claim a poll to be useless (asking information or trying to gather data on what is already known)

but you can NEVER claim a poll is destructive. A poll is a poll, it measures info and gathers data regarding a certain subject. A poll result might not be of much use (ie, confirming what is already known or guessed to be true) but it CANNOT be destructive.
You can go out during noon and ask people if its day or night. That is a pretty useless poll, but it will reflect the results of what the people think about the question and we naturally expect the answer to be : Its day.

[Doctor DOOM]

bahram jan, what are you talking about?

what "information" denied?

let me ask it this way so a simple yes or no shd suffice:

do you think the ppl of Iran are NOT aware of TM's difficult task in qualifying ( and that its dire situation has been kept a SECRET from them)?
yes or no, plz.
it's a simple Q

[zzgloo]

people , not only have to know what is going on, but also " the extend of it " !...........
In USA, knowing the fact that economy is bad, is not enough, people must know, exactly " How bad " is it !, and where thier personal understanding stands within the sociiety.

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They may know up to an extend, but the question is ; " How Much " ?, exactly where they stand ?,

Poeple are not supposed to be taken for granted, nor patronized........nor should any one deciede for them what is best !........" Maslehate mardom , be khode mardom marboot ast ", and not " shoraye tashkhise maslehat " !

[Doctor DOOM]

Just like , how In USA people have to know how bad economy might be.....

lol. bahram jan, you really think ppl have to be told this "secret" ?
you mean they are sooooooo dumb not to notice it ... and it shd take a CNN or Fox poll to "REVEAL" & expose this well-hidden secret to them?
so everyone's going around spending and investing? is that what you see?

plz read my previous post, above urs for more.

[yashar_fasihnia]

During an Hour programming, Fedosipoor never once asked about
1-Who will be assistant ?
2-Which new players might be invited?
3-Which game is most important ?
4-How many staffs TM will have ?
etc.....
There was only about passed, and critisizing.....
How ever, I saw nothing wrong with the Poll...as a 70 million nation should not be treated like a 5 member family, and people must know everything....
Just like , how In USA people have to know how bad economy might be.....

actually bahram khan, ferdosiopur did ask mayelli those questions to which he all answered the same: "i dont know. i have just become TM coach and i will have to think about it."

[zzgloo]

During an Hour programming, Fedosipoor never once asked about

1-Who will be assistant ?
2-Which new players might be invited?
3-Which game is most important ?
4-How many staffs TM will have ?
etc.....

There was only about passed, and critisizing.....

How ever, I saw nothing wrong with the Poll...as a 70 million nation should not be treated like a 5 member family, and people must know everything....
Just like , how In USA people have to know how bad economy might be.....

[Doctor DOOM]

So ..........

I think there is plenty of reality for all the players to feel the weight of the situation. PLENTY of it.

so much that there is no need to add "ppl's lack of trust and lack of confidence in them" to the fray.
Do make the distinction here. there is no "digging heads into the sand here". everyone is quite aware of the dangers & gravity of the situation.

But to undermine a team's morale, just when we shd boost it to craete some little chance of overcoming the odds, is plain crass and destructive.

there is a difference here. this is NOT transparency as if had adel not conducted the poll ppl would think we're gonna waltz into the WC!! ( is that what you were thinking until the poll ? until the truth was revealed to you ?)

was our desperate situation some great state secret that ppl were too dumb to know about, and it had to take a "revelation" to disclose this deep dark secret?
really?

this poll was nothing but an immature, poorly thought knee jerk reaction we Iranians, are slowly becoming famous for !!!

[yashar_fasihnia]

i agree with hadi but i would like to rephrase it this way:

with this poll, mayelli kohan now has a clear idea of wat the nation is expecting of him
and whether the majority would have voted for YES or NO, both could be looked at from a positive and negative angle.

if majority vote for YES,
the positive is: mayellikohan will feel the supported and his people believe in him.
the negative is: there will be pressure on mayelli kohan that if he fails, he is going to be crucified

if majority vote for NO,
the positive is: mayelli kohan will be less pressurized because he knows expectations arent very high, so he doesnt have much to lose. BUT IF HE DOES MANAGE TO TURN THINGS AROUND, THEN HE WILL BE CONSIDERED A GOD!
the negative is: he might feel that people dont have enough belief in him.



so no matter wat the poll results are, there is always a perspective of choice.
all that matters is how we look at the results and interpret them!