Down the memory lane : Iran football in the seventies.

[maij]

Ali Jan... I did not intend to say that you are blaming the players. It was an attempt to bring another perspective to this situation.

This forum , or at leat the other ones, is full of criticism for players that are "Bi Ghyrat" ...... I don't think those people pay attention to details or facts when one player transfers to another. I doubt that they even know the full story. I am saying that there are two sides to each story and players are not always the culprit.

[Ali Chicago]

Ali Jan.

While I agree with you completely that football has changed into a business and sport , ghyrat , sportsmanship and all these term have all been relegated to second best. The point that I want to add here is in defense of the players themselves.

Ghyrat or let us substitute this into English to make it easier , LOYALTY , is a 2 way street. Both clubs and players have to have mutual loyalty and I am afraid it is not always the players who are to be blamed.

Professional Clubs , nowadays , squeeze ever drop out of the player and when they see a sign of weakness or drop in form , they don't hesitate o dump them. Even players with seniority are not immune these days from such indiscretion.
So , it is not always the players that lack loyalty , it is the circumstances that dictate such situations.

Majid Jaan;

I guess I didnt' explain myself well. My post didn't mean to suggest it is a fault of the players and fans. It is the system (which is comprised of the Clubs, players and fans). The whole system is going that way. So as you clearly mentioned and clarified it is teh whole system and I didnt' mean to imply it is only a oneway street.

I remember at the begining of the reveloution many people in order to silence my leftist freind kept bringing up certain number of capitalists who were very good people. He desperately tried to explain that he is not against certain capitalist and he is sure that there are many good capitalists in the world who do charity and all. But the problem in his view at least (was the capitalist system taht is based on the profit (profit driven)). In that system there are workers and caplitalists and one can't blame one or the other, until that system is in place it is not fault of a capitalist who is trying to make more profit (since if he doesn't, he will go bankrupt by the competition).

Not that we are talking about the same thing, and maybe this is a bad example ( I dont' want to discuss pros and cons of any social system here), but this was the best example came to my mind to explain my initial post. Commercialization of the football and football globalization is a system and club managers and players and fans are all part of this and it is not a one person's fault.

[maij]

Ali Jan.

While I agree with you completely that football has changed into a business and sport , ghyrat , sportsmanship and all these term have all been relegated to second best. The point that I want to add here is in defense of the players themselves.

Ghyrat or let us substitute this into English to make it easier , LOYALTY , is a 2 way street. Both clubs and players have to have mutual loyalty and I am afraid it is not always the players who are to be blamed.

Professional Clubs , nowadays , squeeze ever drop out of the player and when they see a sign of weakness or drop in form , they don't hesitate o dump them. Even players with seniority are not immune these days from such indiscretion.

So , it is not always the players that lack loyalty , it is the circumstances that dictate such situations.

[Ali Chicago]

I very much doubt it Majid jaan. It will never be the same unfortunately.
I mean, the way my uncle, a grown up man of almsot 60, sheds tears every time he's telling me stories of the players/matches from those times (actually from even earlier), amazes me of what football used to be like back then and what it meant to the people, and specially the players.
My uncle grew up with the likes of Mehrab Shahrokhi, M. Arab, H. Barmaki, H. Shirzadeghan, H. Behzadi etc.
He's got the original pic of the 1964 match we played against India:

He's given it to me now, cause I breathe past and present (Iranian) football (his own son doesn't care much for football lol).
The man is a walking encyclopedia of past Iranian football. He knows every detail about Shahin club, Sanat Naft (he used to play for Naft himself), he knows amazing stories/details about great players like Shirzadegan, Barmaki and many more (he knew most of them personally).
I wished some day he'd write all his memories down on paper; I'd make a great piece of work out of it, cause the memory of these great men should never be forgotten!

Amin Jaan,

YOu see what we are witnessnig is commercialization of football (which in many ways has brought so much progress to football no doubt), but at the end changed it to a business. So that kind of comitment that you are talking about from players and fans is becoming a thing of past. Player motiviation (what we refer to it as under the general vague term of "Ghayrat" and loyalty is becoming a thing of past. Player like Ali Ansarian, Peerooz Ghorbani and many other who love the Jersy and play for teh jersy are becoming fewer and fewer. So much to write and so little time. But to just touch the tip of the iceberg ponder this.

Iraqi national team who was under deep sleep for 10-15 years all of a sudden does well in Athen Olympic with their U23, then wins AFC. People in this thread blame IFF, Aliabadi, X, Y, Ali Chicago for supporting GN and Earth Gravitational field (for lack of success in our football in WC and AFC). But I am sure the same elements exist in Iraq as well. How come they are successful? Because their players havent' become poisoned with teh commercialization of football.

With all my criticizem of Ali Daie, he was among the last Mohicans in the sense of the putting TM above his own success until 2003. He lost starting job in European clubs in order to play for TM. Not many of our players (even Kia or infamous case of Hashemian) come close. I even don't mention the UAE based players, who don't pressure their club to come for the TM camp.

Point is Fotoball changed from sport to a business, this transformation brought a lot fo good things, TV coverage, clubs income and many other things, but in this process, true love of the game is dying out and at least for players it becomes a job and income soruce ( I dont' blame them btw). I read a book about how Soccer has become the showcase of golobalization. If you like I can give you the title and author. It is really an eye opener. The book isn't political or anything heavy (light reading).

This is not a phenonmenon specific to Iran only. It is all over the world. Did you know Eduardo who plays in Arsenal and broke his leg is a Brizilan born who has Croatian citizenship and plays for the natioal team of Croatia even?

I guess the writing is disorganized but I hope you see my point and follow the thought processing.

[maij]

I very much doubt it Majid jaan. It will never be the same unfortunately.

I mean, the way my uncle, a grown up man of almsot 60, sheds tears every time he's telling me stories of the players/matches from those times (actually from even earlier), amazes me of what football used to be like back then and what it meant to the people, and specially the players.

My uncle grew up with the likes of Mehrab Shahrokhi, M. Arab, H. Barmaki, H. Shirzadeghan, H. Behzadi etc.

He's got the original pic of the 1964 match we played against India:



He's given it to me now, cause I breathe past and present (Iranian) football (his own son doesn't care much for football lol).

The man is a walking encyclopedia of past Iranian football. He knows every detail about Shahin club, Sanat Naft (he used to play for Naft himself), he knows amazing stories/details about great players like Shirzadegan, Barmaki and many more (he knew most of them personally).

I wished some day he'd write all his memories down on paper; I'd make a great piece of work out of it, cause the memory of these great men should never be forgotten!

That will really be great......

Unfortunately , Iran's football has not been archived properly. I have asked many people to provide as much material as possible to be archived , and heard lots of promises but apart from one or two , very little material is available or provided.

I have lived the golden era of the seventies and throughly enjoyed it. The sheer feeling of pride and joy is very difficult to put in words. It was the days when the name of Iran in football meant brute force. Clubs, Javanan , Team Melli were all champions those days. Can you imagine Malavan even represented and played as Team Melli in a tournament once? That was how powerful Iran was.....

In the absence of Internet , I must say that the few sport publications like Kayhan varzeshi and Donyae Varzesh plus the TV , did a wonderful job covering Iran's football.

Yad oon roozha bekhair...

[Amin_]

I very much doubt it Majid jaan. It will never be the same unfortunately.

I mean, the way my uncle, a grown up man of almsot 60, sheds tears every time he's telling me stories of the players/matches from those times (actually from even earlier), amazes me of what football used to be like back then and what it meant to the people, and specially the players.

My uncle grew up with the likes of Mehrab Shahrokhi, M. Arab, H. Barmaki, H. Shirzadeghan, H. Behzadi etc.

He's got the original pic of the 1964 match we played against India:



He's given it to me now, cause I breathe past and present (Iranian) football (his own son doesn't care much for football lol).

The man is a walking encyclopedia of past Iranian football. He knows every detail about Shahin club, Sanat Naft (he used to play for Naft himself), he knows amazing stories/details about great players like Shirzadegan, Barmaki and many more (he knew most of them personally).

I wished some day he'd write all his memories down on paper; I'd make a great piece of work out of it, cause the memory of these great men should never be forgotten!

[maij]

Aghayoon I really enjoyed reading every part of all your psts in this thread; dametoon garm.

Too bad I was too young to have experienced those great times

You are welcome Amin Jan....Don't worry the good times are still to come....hat is when we eventually manage to get a coach

[Amin_]

Aghayoon I really enjoyed reading every part of all your psts in this thread; dametoon garm.

Too bad I was too young to have experienced those great times

[avicenna 18]

ya but Korea really thought us a lesson that year lol that game was just bad....
foonoonizadeh was interesting, of course with his brother, one played for Perspolis, the other for esteghlal if I recall correctly, but they were both good players....I often wonder if those guys were playing today, would they be playing in europe?? perhaps no one can answer that, but despite the dissappointments in the 80, we did have some very brilliant players.

I truly think they could've played in European clubs-remember Abtahi, or Ghayeghran, or Moharrami...they were AWESOME. I'd take the 1988 TM over the current tean anytime (especially in terms of character, desire and attitide). Honestly, majid namjo-Motlagh was a totally different class in his prime
and since you are Perspolisee, I'd say Moshsen Ashoori too(mohsen Tigana)

I personally loved Ghayeghran, and Pius as a kid and Abedzadeh was TRULY a separate team, no doubt about that

[perspolees]

perspolees e aziz...............
I only said " In Iran perspolise is "MORE" popular with the thugs "....that does not mean, all thier fans are thugs......,in any country there is a particular team that is so.
Thank you so much for " Leting this go"........., !

the only thugs that i know in Iran are akhoonds and for sure their team is esteghlal, the blues have always had the government on their side. che shah che sheykh..
are there thugs that are persepolis fan...no doubt like there were plenty of shahis that were the reds fan back then...

but what team has had shaban beemokh ( the thug of all thugs) and the reesho pashm of akhoond thugs ( no one bigger than aliabadi et al) no doubt the great esteghtaj..

[zzgloo]

all of the above are wrong!
In Mashhad persepolis is twice as blue...we play in samen and still are more than abus..and the blues!!?
except for abadan the rest of the country is 2 or even 3 to one persepolisi.
I can understand that you are a sheeshtayee va domet dige peyda shod..lol..but no need to call the people thugs! by creation and heritage the people's team is persepolis..esteghlal and taj have always been are and will always remain the right wingers government team..
teame dolat, hameeshe sheeshtayee memone che shah che sheykh lol and you call it opposition..joke of the century, I guarantee you that they will change name and bylaws with the next regime...once a government beetch always one!
I will let this go on respect to this memory lane but calling people thugs is only a cheap shot that back then shahis and now the akhoondists take at persepolis..

perspolees e aziz...............
I only said " In Iran perspolise is "MORE" popular with the thugs "....that does not mean, all thier fans are thugs......,in any country there is a particular team that is so.
Thank you so much for " Leting this go"........., !

[The-Red]

Maybe we should get another one for the eighties Armin jan.

It was an era that I personally got detached from Iranian football (but not entirely) all due to the Revolution. I still recall a lot of sad moments and did not attend many Team Melli as much as I liked.

In Asian Cup 1988 in Doha , I attended and watched the final between Korea and Saudi Arabia with a bitter taste through the dull match thinking that team Melli could have been there.

In Doha , the most interesting character I met was Mehdi Fonoonizadeh. What a funny guy full of life and a tough customer.

ya but Korea really thought us a lesson that year lol that game was just bad....
foonoonizadeh was interesting, of course with his brother, one played for Perspolis, the other for esteghlal if I recall correctly, but they were both good players....I often wonder if those guys were playing today, would they be playing in europe?? perhaps no one can answer that, but despite the dissappointments in the 80, we did have some very brilliant players.

[maij]

i remeber the 80s and of course not the 70s but tanx u guys for keeping the spirit alive.

and perspolees is right in the above post

Maybe we should get another one for the eighties Armin jan.

It was an era that I personally got detached from Iranian football (but not entirely) all due to the Revolution. I still recall a lot of sad moments and did not attend many Team Melli as much as I liked.

In Asian Cup 1988 in Doha , I attended and watched the final between Korea and Saudi Arabia with a bitter taste through the dull match thinking that team Melli could have been there.

In Doha , the most interesting character I met was Mehdi Fonoonizadeh. What a funny guy full of life and a tough customer.

[The-Red]

i remeber the 80s and of course not the 70s but tanx u guys for keeping the spirit alive.

and perspolees is right in the above post

[perspolees]

perspolees jaan..............
It is possible that I may be wrong.....but, I , like you, also go to Iran often, may be twice a year...( for my job )....and I also have attended a game in mashahd,as I have many reletives there and Tehran..............
mashad, is totaly esteghlali.......
and here is what I hear in Iran.
1-Perspolice has more fans in Tehran.
2-Esteghlal has more fans in shahrestans.
3-Perspolise is more popular with the thugs .
4-Esteghlal is more popular with the educated.
5-Hejazi is more respected than parvin.
6-perspolise is considered , the mafia.
7-esteghlal is considered as anti-establishment.( opposite of the shah's time).
8-perspolise fans are more vocal,as esteghlalis stay at home.

all of the above are wrong!

In Mashhad persepolis is twice as blue...we play in samen and still are more than abus..and the blues!!?
except for abadan the rest of the country is 2 or even 3 to one persepolisi.
I can understand that you are a sheeshtayee va domet dige peyda shod..lol..but no need to call the people thugs! by creation and heritage the people's team is persepolis..esteghlal and taj have always been are and will always remain the right wingers government team..


teame dolat, hameeshe sheeshtayee memone che shah che sheykh lol and you call it opposition..joke of the century, I guarantee you that they will change name and bylaws with the next regime...once a government beetch always one!

I will let this go on respect to this memory lane but calling people thugs is only a cheap shot that back then shahis and now the akhoondists take at persepolis..