Biggest reason of Esteghlal's failure this season?

[gol_kuchik]

I know we tend to think so highly of our players but the fact is they mostly lack some
basic skills. In that regard, most coaches have to deal with a bunch of players with
average or below skills who yet have a lot of ego. The outcome will surprisingly then
rest not on players (as they are mostly crappy) but the coaching who can make all the
difference.

As much as Nasser Hejazi was/is my hero (eventhough as a kid I was PP fan) I think
the writing is on the wall: Being a good player does not mean being a good coach.

[Ali Chicago]

but that rarely happens between those two... I don't expect a good game tomorrow , regardless of who wins.

Best team is a relative term, it doesnt' mean it will be a pretty game, just the team that is relatively better. You are totally right, Derbies usually aren't a beautiful game.

[BehzadB]

Let the best team win tomorrow.

but that rarely happens between those two... I don't expect a good game tomorrow , regardless of who wins.

[Ali Chicago]

no need Ali jan.. one can select more than one option on the poll, that's why it adds up to more than 100%

Merci for the explanation. When I voted I didn't realize I can selecet several options. Let the best team win tomorrow.

[BehzadB]

no need Ali jan.. one can select more than one option on the poll, that's why it adds up to more than 100%

[Ali Chicago]

mods can u look into this survey please? If you add up all the percentages it is way more than 100%.

[Ali Chicago]

and you have a very " in the box" vision!
see teh content!
esteghlal has been the second team in almost all aspects..they have seconds are seconds and will remain that way....thats what I meant!

Suggest you go and check www.iplstat.com and find out for yourself. EsEs is the team with the most points, most scored goals and first in many catagories. Not to mentions a first place in AFC and a second place in AFC. PP to best of my collection came third at best or forth.

It doesn't need to be you and I go at it. Go to www.iplstat.com and check for yourself.

Being a fan is one thing, denying the facts is something else.

[perspolees]

You have a very selective memory dadash. When was the last time PP won the title? The very first round of IPL and that was in big part courtesy of Malavan to PP if u recall. So what are u talking about finishing second?

and you have a very " in the box" vision!
see teh content!
esteghlal has been the second team in almost all aspects..they have seconds are seconds and will remain that way....thats what I meant!

[Paradigm]

Might as well give Esteghlal to Mayeli-Kohan and get it over with. (Hint: Foolad)

[TM-Fan]

so what you are saying is that Eses needed 11 superstars for Hejazi to show his coaching skills??? I am sorry but with 11 superstars , I could coach that team.. and yes SS does have 11 superstars (former and present and future)...
You know better than to say a team as good as it's players.. if that was the case Fajr Sepasi should be relegated every single year.. It's always a combination of the players and coaching... and when I look at all the 'names' on SS team, the only weak spot I find is on the Bench.. and lack of professionalism by the coach... and of course lack of education too..
So what that Hejazi discovered Rahman Rezai?? a lot of coaches have discovered a lot of good players... Where did, Jabari, Teymourian and Badamaki come from.. where did Karimi come from or Nekounam or Mahdavi Kia?
In today's football, a coach that can not handle and manage the psychological pressure has absolutely no business being in the business of coaching, specially in a pro league.. Go read Hejazi's comments after Sephan game, after Saba game, after Saipa game so fort and so on..
just saying that players are not performing, is an excuse.. because the same players have performed well before, many times... one has to ask why aren't some of these players performing right now?? The answer is the mind set of the players... and who is responsible for that??
Hejazi won the AFC cup sure he did, but with WHAT players? and when?? Football has advanced a lot in the west Asian countries since then.. Ali Parvin won Asian cup with TM , but that doesn't make him qualified to be TM coach.. Times have changed.. methods have changed.. the likes of hejazi and Parvin are still stuck in the 60's and 70's... their dates have expired..

[The-Red]

I say put the same players under a decent foriegn coach, and the motivation level and the performance level will both go up, even tho I do agree with maij that there is no single reason to failure in football, but the way I see it, and as much as I respect Hejazi, he is the main reason behind ss's poor results.

[Kaveh]

I belive that technical staff is main reason behind lack or results. Even after 8 weeks, we havn't seen any clear tactic in SS game, although i have to admit that injuries and bad luck have also played a remarkable role in this issue.

[Ali Chicago]

It seems we are. Well time will show.

[BehzadB]

I see a lot of people tend have an open season on likes of Parvin, Hejazi, etc. I suggest we take it a bit easier on these fellas. Hejazi won the Asian cup once and came second another time, with less than 500 million budget (Today that is the salary of two players in Esteghlal) in 1990. So it is not like he doesn't know how to win. He lost in final to a Japanees team, so it wasn't like he played against teams from Persian Gulf countries only.

If they want people to take it easy on them, they have to quit their jobs.. you can't take a coaching job at PP or SS and expect people to take it easy on you.. that formula never worked.. never will

did you say 1990?.. less than 500 million toman?? ey baba.. do you have any idea what that means when you take inflation into account.. besides, I didn't ask how much SS paid for the players in 1990, I said, look that who he had on his roster and consider that in 1990 most of Arab Clubs were far far behind where they are today.. not in terms of facility but in terms of Level of football that they perform.. basically saying that the competition was much weaker then.. that was 17 years ago..


Ali Jan , I think we are going in circles..

My last comment is that, I think SS can win a ton of games with the same players (including the injured ones) if they had a good coach.. a coach that can reduce tension and pressure and face the situations professionally.. Hejazi is not that man, regardless of how many games SS wins or loses..

Sephan won a game against SS in the last seconds of the game.. a sephan team that has been the best football team in Iran in the last 2/3 years.. in a game that was played pretty evenly... but instead of crediting the opponent or making some average comments that all coaches make after a loss to a TOP team, or instead of not saying anything and moving on, go check out the comments Hejazi and Hajiloo have make after the game, about our BEST football team in the last few years.. both on and off the field..

and you still believe that Hejazi is good enough for SS??

[Ali Chicago]

so what you are saying is that Eses needed 11 superstars for Hejazi to show his coaching skills??? I am sorry but with 11 superstars , I could coach that team.. and yes SS does have 11 superstars (former and present and future)...
You know better than to say a team as good as it's players.. if that was the case Fajr Sepasi should be relegated every single year.. It's always a combination of the players and coaching... and when I look at all the 'names' on SS team, the only weak spot I find is on the Bench.. and lack of professionalism by the coach... and of course lack of education too..
So what that Hejazi discovered Rahman Rezai?? a lot of coaches have discovered a lot of good players... Where did, Jabari, Teymourian and Badamaki come from.. where did Karimi come from or Nekounam or Mahdavi Kia?
In today's football, a coach that can not handle and manage the psychological pressure has absolutely no business being in the business of coaching, specially in a pro league.. Go read Hejazi's comments after Sephan game, after Saba game, after Saipa game so fort and so on..
just saying that players are not performing, is an excuse.. because the same players have performed well before, many times... one has to ask why aren't some of these players performing right now?? The answer is the mind set of the players... and who is responsible for that??
Hejazi won the AFC cup sure he did, but with WHAT players? and when?? Football has advanced a lot in the west Asian countries since then.. Ali Parvin won Asian cup with TM , but that doesn't make him qualified to be TM coach.. Times have changed.. methods have changed.. the likes of hejazi and Parvin are still stuck in the 60's and 70's... their dates have expired..

No one is trying to undermine the role of Mr. Hejazi in Esteghlal's demise. All I am saying, is players have underperformed as well. I even in my long post mentioned this is in part Hejazi's responsibility as well. So, again no one is trying to diminish Hejazi's role.
Having said that, player's peroformance has a huge role in make or break of a team. Remember Karimi, Kia, Kaabi Trio in Asian cup 2004 in Asia. They saved the coach's ass and Branko still get's milage out of that due to player's brilliance.

If one wants to judge a phonomenon, in real world usually (almost 99% of the time) there are several factores involved, it is not a liner cause and effect. In this case Esteghlal's performance can't be a linear cause and effect either.

I see a lot of people tend have an open season on likes of Parvin, Hejazi, etc. I suggest we take it a bit easier on these fellas. Hejazi won the Asian cup once and came second another time, with less than 500 million budget (Today that is the salary of two players in Esteghlal) in 1990. So it is not like he doesn't know how to win. He lost in final to a Japanees team, so it wasn't like he played against teams from Persian Gulf countries only.