TM in WC,South Africa, with Afshin Ghotbi !!

[Kaveh]

Why not? Do we have any better option? TC are flirting with eachother instead of making a decision. It's hard to expect any top-class coach to come in Iran especially at this group stage.

It'd be better with Ghotbi rather than a 3rd/4th rate european coach.

[zzgloo]

Stilli has had nothing to do with perspolise's success.......
The Organization ( Kashani & etc.)are commited the have the best ( According to thier own taste )...and thats why,they just offered 400 million to kabie to come back. ( It may as well be the plan of islamic republic ).
Stilli is a pown.....
as far as ghotbi, the system ,little by little is getting into him,and his ultra efficient , hard working system,is wearing down.....and that is what will happen to any forign coach,if they come to Iran........They come to the understanding, that if they don't give a shit,why should I ?and start coaching with crouse control...which what Denizili was doing at the end.
Ghotbi, is doing well....considering the circumstances !!..............and he will become the league champ !, but with less than 100% effort.
I think the only way to get Ghotbi back to his 100%,and beyond....is to give him the TM job......with the way the TM coach hunting is going, there is good possibility, we will end up with some one, less qualified,and less motivated than Ghotbi !!

[Doctor DOOM]

I'd say the major difference is they got a player who KNOWS how to score goals, compared to the crappy roster of last season.

that's the difference between the pp that played great football but didnt have a striker who could convert all those chances to goals, and the one that has such a player who saves them despite the lower quality of football displayed.

[Ali Chicago]

Note: I didnt want to start a whole new thread and since this one is about qotbi and ... :
playing scrapy and low quality football just to be saved by ONE MAN ONLY can get one only so far. and we shd not mistake the quality of the game by the score-line. They struggle to get somewhere in so many games, it is slowly starting to become a trend as many members predict the match by saying: "team XXX attacks and controls the game and PP scores and wins" !!!
a simple test can prove and demonstrate how effective pp has been : take khalili out for a couple of games and then watch the results. I havent checked, but how many games & points have pp got due to this one man ? Where would they be without khalili? ( and where would saipa be with khalili this season? )
when a team relies only on one man to get its results, no1 credits anyone in the team or the team for performances. I am yet to see this so called "revolution" Mr. Qotbi is supposed to have started.
If playing "ali asghari" style was the aim, then parvin was there the whole time. why bring in an expensive coach?
let alone bring him for TM !!!
we certainly dont want a coach that has ali asghari style and merely relies on ONE MAN to get his team out of trouble !

DD jaan;
Khalili was on a drought for 6-7 games after SS game until the game last week week 7-14. Then Fatemi scored a couple of key goals, even Aghai and Badamaki scored the winning goal. I am a blue fan and have no love life with PP and Ghotbi, but PP today is much more than just one guy (Khalili upfront). Ghotbi lucky or not, somehow injected winning attitude into its players. Granted Estili and company did a great job by selecting good players at the start of the season.

[Doctor DOOM]

Note: I didnt want to start a whole new thread and since this one is about qotbi and ... :



playing scrapy and low quality football just to be saved by ONE MAN ONLY can get one only so far. and we shd not mistake the quality of the game by the score-line. They struggle to get somewhere in so many games, it is slowly starting to become a trend as many members predict the match by saying: "team XXX attacks and controls the game and PP scores and wins" !!!

a simple test can prove and demonstrate how effective pp has been : take khalili out for a couple of games and then watch the results. I havent checked, but how many games & points have pp got due to this one man ? Where would they be without khalili? ( and where would saipa be with khalili this season? )

when a team relies only on one man to get its results, no1 credits anyone in the team or the team for performances. I am yet to see this so called "revolution" Mr. Qotbi is supposed to have started.

If playing "ali asghari" style was the aim, then parvin was there the whole time. why bring in an expensive coach?
let alone bring him for TM !!!

we certainly dont want a coach that has ali asghari style and merely relies on ONE MAN to get his team out of trouble !

[Adesor Vafaseya]

^ true, true!

[zzgloo]

thanks for posting
But to be honest, which Iranian coach wouldn't say no to these type fo questions? Be it Ali Daei or Jallali etc... of course they express their willingness

this is a different case.........
This guy, has not left the western world,and international comepetition to coach perspolise and work with estili............
he is building up his resume'....for his long time ambition of coaching in WC.

[yashar_fasihnia]

i personally am still not sure how much has ghotbi contributed and how much of it is estilli.
we all know estilli was the man behind bringing such players.
we all also know that ghotbi is a very good psychologist and injects a lot of positive thining and has handled the hashieh (not much of it has appeared yet) too much and the fact that he hasnt allowed estilli to start his sheytuni again (estilli too might not have become troublesome yet) .

i think we can judge him better when he plays against some tactically competent coaches like luka bonacic or firouz karimi which will require ghotbi to make changes in the team during the game or half time or something.

[Adesor Vafaseya]

Not trying to be negative, but you base his qualification for TM job based on the 8 weeks of IPL only? Don't you think u are jumping the gun?

as I said already in my post:

we just have to wait till the end of the season to see where PP really goes.

I am not jumping anything.. up to now... his tactics, game formulae make sense to me more than others in IPL.

BUT as i said, we have to wiat till the end of the season!

[Ali Chicago]

thanks for posting
But to be honest, which Iranian coach wouldn't say no to these type fo questions? Be it Ali Daei or Jallali etc... of course they express their willingness
BUT I would be more than happy to have Ghotbi there.. IMO he is most qualified... we just have to wait till the end of the season to see where PP really goes.
best of luck to him
and more importantly best of luck to the future of TM!

Not trying to be negative, but you base his qualification for TM job based on the 8 weeks of IPL only? Don't you think u are jumping the gun?

[Adesor Vafaseya]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/persian/sport/s...otheysay.shtml

thanks for posting

But to be honest, which Iranian coach wouldn't say no to these type fo questions? Be it Ali Daei or Jallali etc... of course they express their willingness

BUT I would be more than happy to have Ghotbi there.. IMO he is most qualified... we just have to wait till the end of the season to see where PP really goes.


best of luck to him

and more importantly best of luck to the future of TM!

[zzgloo]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/persian/sport/story/2007/10/071006_bd-sotheysay.shtml

[Adesor Vafaseya]

I guess it is an automatic "self-runnner" if Ghotbi wins the IPL the pressure from media etc will play a role...

to be honest, I wouldn't mind that....

[zzgloo]

There is something very important happening.........mor important than Ghotbi himself.
It may be too soon to declair Ghotbi is TM coach, or even League champion, although He certainly has a good chance !!!
But, the more important issue here, is the relationship, between Iranians inside,and outside of Iran !!!
Many in Iran, do not believe, Forign educated Iranians, or forign experince can help Iranians within Iran......and that includes, poletical changes as well !!!!
If, Ghotbi, wins the league with Perspolise, it will be very good for us all liveing out side......as this phenamena ( Ghotbi ) will make us all Iranians closer to each other !!!,
I for one, would pull for him,even though,I am a big time TAJI ( Esteghlali ).

[RaginG Inferno]

Qn had a much weaker squad when he took over SS and managed to become runners up (lost the championship on the last day) and won the league the year after, and as we saw, he still wasn't completely ready to take over TM.
Even if Qotbi manages to win the title with this strong squad, he still got a long way to go to take over such a hard and important task.
I strongly believe that if Qn was given this year's SS squad, that he would've won the league again (or atleast would compete as one of the main contenders), so winning the league doesn't indicate much.
Winning the IPL title goes over 34 games, a whole season which leaves (relatively lots of) space for errors, which don't need to be vital necessarely; guiding TM to the WC and eventually through the WC doesn't leave space for such (small) errors, as even 1 loss, and 1 wrongly made tactiqual mistake/substitution can result in a disqualification.
Qotbi is a good coach, but still has a long way to go to be able to take over TM during WCQ/WC imo.

Great points, illustrated well by pertinent examples.

It is too early to judge Afshin Ghotbi, but the 'hashiyeh' and prejudicies which come with other domestic coaches is something which is absent with Ghotbi.

I have a wait and see attitude when it comes to Afshin, but so far so good!