Iran-Malaysia post-game discussion

[Doctor DOOM]

heh.
what's there to discuss?
easily one of the worst games of TM I've seen lately !

altho' we have to admit the wet pitch and rain did have a HUGE impact on the game. but this level of football is just unacceptable from our lads !

we also shd consider if we were only 1-2 inches here and there, we'd be 5-0 by now and the malaysian were riding their IMMENSE luck for 90 minutes .

very disappointed at TM.

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1- enayati was not so good ( but wasnt that bad that ppl make out ) and was very unlucky in that shot which hit the post.
he had some good passes and assists for VH and others.
in fact, I think he played better than his previous 2 games.
but I guess with all the fan and media pressure on GN, GN buckled and subbed him.
but why with khatibi?
rajabzadeh would have been a better option


2- VH played ok in the first half, despite what all the teen-agers in football forum spew.
and actually if he was slightly lucky, he'd have scored at least 2 in the 1st half, itself.
but he was just horrible in the second half !
just horrible !
what the hell was that? pass man. you're not the only player who can and shd score.


3- apart from his goal, ando was another MAJOR disappointment ( for me, at least ).
yes. many will bring up his goal.
but the whole game was a show-case of how "NOT to trap a ball in football" and how "NOT to pass" !


4- Mobaali was a major disappointment, for me especially.
then again, I was wondering why GN started with him, when he has a far better performer in SHOJAYI.
GN , either has something against shojayi, which is a damn shame and idiocy ... or is keeping him under wraps for the knock-out stage.


5- karimi may have played better than his previous 2 games. but raising ur game from 0 to 3 ( out of 10 ) doesnt get you any cookies . certainly not from me.
he was another disappointment .
yes, inspite of what those teen-agers say that side.

6- WHAT THE F**K DID THE MALAYSIANS DO TO THEIR GOAL-POSTS?
I want some of that.
if I call them "lucky" , I'd be under-stating the fact by MILES !
the game could have easily been 8-0 or even more, if they werent so damned lucky and if our lads were a little more focused !!


7- once again, GN starts with a dubious line-up.
kazemian could have easily started instead of ando or neku. SHOULD HAVE.



8- and finally, MAJOR KUDOS to Mr. Komasi for preparing the team physically.
coz it's NOT easy playing on a wet pitch, under the rain and still run for 90 min's.

[Hadi]

i just have one question for GN supporters:

-Akhe In Football Bood? Be Khoda Sage Teame Branko Miarze Be Kole Heykale in Team!

[faraz]

I think one of the major talking points is the lack of goalscoring from our forwards. I would never imagine that Hashemian would waste so many chances, and yes, hitting the post is still wasting a chance. He should have enough experience and poise, for example, to hit the ball into the net ONE TIME from the Teymourian pass, instead of allowing the keeper to anticipate a shot coming at him and ready himself, or at least, make himself look bigger. I have never been so disapointed with Hashemian's goalscoring abilities.

Karimi had a much better 2nd half, and started to dictate play a little bit. That was good to see. He seemed better, but still, I feel at any given point, he could have penetrated the Malaysian defence without too many problems.

Mobali was indeed horrible today. Enough said there.

Why GN decided that Khatibi would actually have an impact on the game, I don't know, especially after having highlighted his "skills" in previous matches. Shojaei's inclusion (ANYWHERE in the attacking side of our formation) would have definitely created problems for the Malaysians, who mind you, were being VERY dirty.

I don't think Teymourian was too bad at all - this guy plays his heart out, runs, covers well defensively, Enayati also wasn't bad, Kazemian didn't do too much, Kia's corners were horrible.

That's another talking point - we had SIXTEEN corners, and couldn't convert a single one! and this, against a team like Malaysia, who's average height 2 feet lower than ours lol This just means our delivery was poor (and it REALLY was).


Poor poor match from TM, but mind you, it could have easily been 6, 7 with a bit of luck, which we completely lacked today.

One final point - I feel really bad for nosrati lol he will have to wait another 4 years to start - hosseini is just too solid.

[faraz]

i just have one question for GN supporters:

-Akhe In Football Bood? Be Khoda Sage Teame Branko Miarze Be Kole Heykale in Team!

Hadi Jan,

would you be saying the same things had Hashemian, our "TOP" striker, finished off the 3, 4 chances that he had IN THE SIX YARD BOX!?

let's be reasonable here, ultimately, our finishing (mainly Hashemian!) was what let us down today, not the coaching.

[Hadi]

faraz jan.

Bavar kon hamino migoftam. Aslan Tedade Gol Mohem Nabood. Sathe Baziye Iran az nazare tacticy 100% Ali Asghatiye.

[Doctor DOOM]

1- very good point on the corners, faraz jan.
for a team that scores so many off spot kicks and corners, that too against smaller built malaysians, we were just pathetic !!!

well, zandi's first 2 corners were pathetic too.
that's why kia and mobaali started taking the kicks after his second one.

but we shd have done FAR better on the corners !

2- not only malaysians were playing a clustered game, they fouled too much. and it was the ref's duty to call these and hand out at least 2 more yellows to them.
but the syrian bi.tch didnt even acknowledge many of these horrible fouls !
the bastard !


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hadi jan, az branko bekesh beeroon, amoo.
two negatives doesnt make one positive.

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I just read the AFC asian cup's site's review of the game.
my God what a one-sided view !! it's so pathetically one sided, it becomes funny rather than infuriating !!
yes, it's that bad.

malaysians anti-football is names "spirited display"
4 post hits are atributed to the keeper mostly ( "keeper saves and then it hits the bar" !!!!!!!!!!!!!! go figure ! ) !!!
VH's weak-azs shot is called "pile-driver" ... just becoz the keeper saves it !
their weak shot in the beginning is considered a scoring chance !!!

hahahahaha
the writer must be one miserably pathetic fellow with tons of inferiority complex !

[faraz]

Okay, fair enough.

Let me just state that all of you have obviously (due to your ages...and no, im not saying you're old, just older than me ) seen more TM matches than I have. In the short time (since 96 mb?) that I've followed TM football, it's been apparent that we always play well against GOOD teams (teams that play FOOTBALL) and play poorly against BAD teams.

Malaysia COMPLETELY played an ANTI-FOOTBALL type of match. We saw it with North Korea, we saw it with Bahrain (in WC qualifying), and we see it today against Malaysia. It is hard for ANY TEAM to penetrate the defense of a team who is lined up with 10 men, sometimes (especially in the 2nd half) ALL in the box!

Now do i fully agree with the tactics (cross after cross after cross), well no. our ground game was more than adept at penetrating the malaysian defense (our 2 goals both came from through balls and neat passing on the GROUND!), but given the lack of options to our players due to the increased volume in the malaysian defence, it gets very frusterating and sometimes, that was the only choice we had (to cross the ball).

It is easy to sit here and say "we should have passed right through them!" without realizing that passing around 10 men, especially a national side team, in their stadium, under their conditions, on a wet pitch is really quite difficult.

now even though it was difficult, we had our chances, and didn't take them.

i'm still disapointed, but not "worried" persay, i know we will bring our A game to SK.

[Haj Mahmoud]

Hadi Jan,

would you be saying the same things had Hashemian, our "TOP" striker, finished off the 3, 4 chances that he had IN THE SIX YARD BOX!?

let's be reasonable here, ultimately, our finishing (mainly Hashemian!) was what let us down today, not the coaching.

I agree, coaching ham sare jaye khodesh, but when it comes down to it what are we supposed to do when we don't have a single finisher? Look at how dramatically Uzbekistan has improved ever since Shatsikh returned. Nearly ALL of our goals come from non-forwards. This is our biggest weakness.

[The-Red]

aslan GN aside, I saw a lot of bad passes, miscommunications and the players were just not obviously on form. GN's usual bad formation had something to do with it, but it just wasn't our day and I am kind of glad that we had an off day today, so hopefully we see an ON day against Korea!!! Do not forget that the rain had a lot to do with and I pray to god that it doesn't rain on Sunday.

my question is: why does GN insist of playing certain plays when he has other options on the bench?

why is Hashemian's morale so low? just one bad miss should not effect a profesional player like this, I believe Hash will have a good game against Korea, he usually does

as for GN,,,,forget it, no point to say anything, he is in control now but he better be around to answer if the team is eliminated on Sudany...even tho it will be too late and yet another generation of our good footballers ...let's hope for the best for now.

[Hadi]

hadi jan, az branko bekesh beeroon, amoo.
two negatives doesnt make one positive.

DD jan,

I am not saying bring Branko back or supporting him or anything. He is in the past but even though I also stopped supporting Branko but I gotta admit I would do anything to have our World Cup team and their level of play back right now.

[mkbf2]

My take on the game:

1. Mobali should not have started. I have no idea why he was in.

2. The ref was unbiased during the 1st half but completely the opposite during the second. There were at least 2-3 times that a bookable offense was made by malay yet none of them recieved anything, not even a reprimand or a foul call, just play on.

3. Like Doom said above, the score line could have easily been 8-0 and it did seem at times as though the ball was jinxed from going in the goal everytime we touched it, BUT we must realize that Hash had a very bad game

After that nice pass to Enyati early in the 1st, Hash squandered at least 5 opportunities on my count. Enyati was also bad, and I am on the whole very worried about the future of our attacking offense. No one seems to want to step up and be the spark or general. For all that was said about Daei, at least he scored when the opportunity was given

[yashar_fasihnia]

i was frustrated at our corners too.
kia and zandi both crap corners.
mobali and karimi took a few, they were atleast half decent, but not really wat was expected.

hashemian was soooo poor

but we should keep one thing in mind, this team played very well defensively, and the coach had officially stated he is coming into the game to not concede goals. i think they played much closer and compact than against uzbekistan and china because in the first 2 games, they came to win specially since they were the host but the last game, it was not only saving their faces but also not conceding goals.

we also had some badluck.
kazemian's lob in that difficult situatio was a beauty
khatibis header was unlucky
and karimi's shot which the GK saved and hit the bar and went to croner was also bad luck.

the only thing i was happy about today was karimi, he was better than other 2 games, he tried a lot and he played some nice passes and made some nice runs. too bad his team mates werent good enough to execute the move perfectly.

im glad we met korea and not saudi arabia, we have a good chance of beating them. i didnt see the first game of korea and indonesia but i heard korea struggled real hard to beat indonesia 1-0.
only thing im worried about is that our strikers are not scoring, even when the have the chance to. for how long can the midfield and defense keep scoring for them and keeping us in the game??

i think ghalenoi should have given play time to some subs, specially in defense and GK where much pressure wouldnt be there but oh well, its all ended well so far. khoda ro shokr, lady luck has been on our side and i hope she stays with us till the end and inshalla with the talash and zahmat of the team, we become undisputed kings of asia once more and lift the trophy a 4th time.

[Hajagha]

The reason Mobali started was using his ability of free kicks behind the box which GN thought we will get a lot of them today. In my view, it was wrong, we needed a penalty box pentrater, some one like Rajab-zadeh.

Both first sub's were wrong, we didn't need fast players since they were compact and there was no room to run, we needed dribblers and direct players.

We were not horrible as some of you guys saying. We could have had a better finishing and obviously better luck. I am sure if half of those "cross-bars" were going in, many of you saying "bah bah chah chah". The rest would always sound negative no matter what.

Malaysia played a decent defensive football as Mansoor rightfully stated in post-game analysis. We could have been better no doubt about that, but we got what we wanted.

[KasraKhan]

I do not think TM will beat Korea in the quarters unfortuantly.

There is NO WAY we can start Zandi at LB in that match. Ghotbi and the Koreans will analyze TM thoroughly and realize that Zandi's speed on the left is our weak point, and attack it relentlessly. Especially the Koreans with their high rate of speed.

What is wrong with Hashemian? I thought he was very poor. He couldnt even trap the ball properly. And he has been playing in Germany for 4-5 years? He lost the ball so many times. He also had 2 1v1 that he completely blew. We wont get so many chances agaisnt the Koreans so we have to finish the chances we do get, because they will come far and few.

Kia has also been dissappointing in the AC. Maybe its because GN is playing him out of position, but he is just not the same player. He seems slower and he is not involved in TM's attack like he once was 2-3 years ago. His crosses and corners are not that good anymore either.

I think without a doubt we can say that Nekounam is the leader of this team. The torch has been passed to Nekounam

[Doctor DOOM]

funny thing happened on my way to pfdc F+:

I watched the highlights done by shirfarhad and I must say if we watch these highlights, ... Keep the fact that the ball doesnt cross the goal-line aside , ....we may say we didnt play all that bad !


I mean the passing is pretty good and chances created are very dangerous ones.
the one-twos, the passing, the positioning ... all are done nicely.
the problem was that the ball didnt cross the line !


I know, these are the only good moves we had.
but the important thing is if the team is CAPABLE of playing like this for sporadic minutes here and there, then if they get serious, they can stretch it to longer periods of a game too.