My reasons why Ghale-noei is the best option!!!

[yashar_fasihnia]

Let's see it another way,
Do you think those highly paid professional players, who struggled, doing good in their clubs too?
Our weakest link is not the national team coach. That's why by bringing a coach who has nothing but a resume and has no idea about Iranian football, our performance won't improve over night.
What I see from Qalenoei is the constant testing new formations for our weaknesses, he showed he has no grudge for any player and let them perform

does the name fereydoun zandi come to mind?
but besaides that, yes, ur right..

[Ali Chicago]

Believe me brother, he was almost executed, here is the proof:


Italy's players have dedicated their 2-0 victory against Ukraine to coach Roberto Donadoni, who finally ended his four-match wait for a win in Rome on Saturday.
Managerial 'scapegoat''Great group'Georgia in mind

I can't read Italian, so no Italian newpapers and one article that you posted above, says he is under criticizem. I said not as much as GN. Under GN we still haven't lost and everyone wants his head. But I think my point is still valid, the Italy's team the world championship hasnt' won in 4 games and their qualification to UEFA in in danger and not many people talking about firing him (as compared to our tm coach).

I know you don't like GN and it is all fine with me. The guy has a 2-2-0 record adn took over the team when Iran's soccer was going through one of its worst set back (after wc 2006). The guy has been on the job less than 3-4 months only. Now see the poll in this other thread. More than 68% want his removal. I don't think it is fair. If he had a 0-2-2 record, and was on this job for 1 year or 10 months and I see no progrees then fire him . I would say, people aren't fair toward him.

This over critical attitude toward TM coach (regardless who is at the helm) in part was responsible for poor performance of tm in WC 2006. This being over critical attitude toward TM coach in my opinion to some degree contributed to the poisenous atmosphere around TM and in part is responsbile toward the allegedly insubordinate of players like Karimi toward Branko. But we still havent' learned from that.

I am not doing this to take GN off the hook by any means. What I am afarid of is the wrong attitude of many fans that think Iran's team has to beat every team and totally dominate them as well. No soccer team can acheive that no matter how good the coach or players are.

[yashar_fasihnia]

I was somewhat dissappointed with him getting all the legioners to Taiwan and not taking a chance on a new breed of players, but then realized he didn't have much a choice because, the team list 3/4 of it was sent to AFC on Nov 2005 and he didn't have much of choice for the most part.
Korea last year with a forgin coach I think tied Maldeeve in Maldeeve. Maldive is the team that we beat 17 goals in one game. What does thsi mean? Korea's coach needs to be fired or he isn't good? No, one needs to look at the trend of the team. If it is improving then we need to keep the coach and if not get rid of him. But a trend doesn't start with one game and ends there. A trend at least needs 6 months baba.
One thing I am amazed with, that how a single game with poor result is judged totally against the Coach. GN isn't my family or anything, but whoever will be the coach of the TM needs to be judged at least on a 6 month to 1 year bases. The way, many people have already made their mind toward him at best is unfair in my opinion.
Italy's coach lost a couple of games adn they aren't doing well right now in their UEFA qualification and Donadoni probably doesn't get that much criticizem as GN is getting.
Also I really don't undrestand this obsession with Coach only. A soccer program is much much more than just coach. From Sarparast to the Federation to the soccer infrastructure to the players,..... . Why we are so obsessed with coach only. I wish people were spending only 10% of the energy they put on GN or even Branko to focus on other problems of our soccer. Out national team player Fekri who is supposedly is Capitan of the EsEs, doesn't know the basic of how to deal with the ref and he himself is a constant cause of contention and poisning of the stadium atmosphere. Or EsEs and PP players haven't been paid their last year salary, and still somehow player's contract are in 300 million. Isn't that funny? Maybe IPL needs Salary Cap!!! PP hasnt' paid their player's salary and still goes to the camp in Austria and goes more in red. These are the problems of our football too and if anyone thinks by just bringing a forigen coach these all will be solved it is just a daydream.
It is funny the so called supporters of forigen coache at any price, see the recent examples of Haan in PP , Lorant in Saipa, Gadeh in Shaheed Ghandi, Branko's step brother in Barghe Shiraz, Beghovitch in Pegah and PP and still all they want is a forgine coach.
I am not against a forgien coach by any means, but in this current climate, finding a decent first class coach isn't possible. So, all I am saying we need to do with what we have and support him and criticize him but in a positve way. In the mean time we can still look around and try to find a really first class coach. Not anyone who happen to be a coach and he must be better because he wasn't born in Iran.

last time i mentioned these points and some other arguments, u said "im talking as if living in iran or being an iranian is a disease, remember??"

and btw ali jan, as far as i remember, earlier when we used say big coaches wont come to our country, people came up with names like haan, fateh terim, etc..
but now...

[Ali Chicago]

does the name fereydoun zandi come to mind?
but besaides that, yes, ur right..

Yashar jaan, Zandi didn't have a team for heaven sake. He wasn't able to earn a spot on his own team for the past 1.5 years for heaven sake. Maybe GN has grudges toward him, I am not in his heart and don't know. But let's be fair, it is reasonable to not invite a player if he can't earn a spot on his own team and you can't claim that is due to a grudge, unless u have a valid proof.

[Ali Chicago]

last time i mentioned these points and some other arguments, u said "im talking as if living in iran or being an iranian is a disease, remember??"

Now u are comparing apples and oranges aziz. I said most of these bastards (forgien coaches) dont' come to Iran due to different reason. Due to lack of freedoms they want, to have a woman, drink, etc. etc. Some of them are just god damn racist (see my listing below about racist attitude toward middle easterners particualry below), some of them get scared because of the middle east political turmoil and Iranian atomic things. Many won't come because we can't pay them enough. 500K we paid to Branko for coaching is a meager amount compared to the pay a first class coach get. For everyone is different.

What you do is different. Look at your signature. You say Branko is not used to a corrupt system but our players are. You judge our players based on their nationality, they are used to a corrupt but Branko aint' why, because he is not an Iranian. I still think you and people like you have this inferiority complex toward European and westerners particulaly. That is why a 2nd rated Branko in your opinion is far better than Majid Jalali or GN or ... fill in the blanks with a vatani coach.

I don't have the skils, pateience, and time of doing reserach and cut and paste all my posts like Mansoor does so well. But, be fair, in the same post you refered to , how many times, I listed teh acheivments of Iran (not teh current government) and how many times I expressed my love for Iran. So, what I am saying and doing is different from what you practically doing.
See you and many like you, beleive basically what happened in WC was the farily accurate strenght of our football and this is pretty much where we belonged. We didnt' do well in WC but we didn't do that horrible either. To you guys, you dont' want to see the potential and are ready to settle for crubms that forginers throw at us.

and btw ali jan, as far as i remember, earlier when we used say big coaches wont come to our country, people came up with names like haan, fateh terim, etc..
but now...

I don't consider Haan, fateh Trim even as a 1st class coach. To be honest, Turkey's 3rd rank in WC 02 was a fluke in my opinion and Turkey's soccer isn't at an average European team even.

I was in Istanbul for two weeks and watched at least 5 live soccer matches from Turkish league live and tons of UEFA and other games that Turkish teams played. Their soccer isn't that good from what I saw.
I said forgien coaches first calss one don't come to Iran. It is their shitty attitude or to be honest could be due to other reasons, better opportunity all the way to even racisem that they may have toward middle easterners. You guys have to live here to know the depth of racist and anti middle eastern sentiments by even Europeans. I am not going to talk about Americans here. I personally was called a Camel Jacker at least 3 time by my own team mates who were originally from Poland. Remember these were my own team mates. That is one of the reason I got so pissed off by some of this oh if he is khareji, he must be better attitude. You have to live here and see the disdain they have toward third world in general and middle East in Particular. I myself was talking to this French guy and since he was French Canadain, he didnt' realize my slight accent and he was dumb enough to not realize Ali is a middle Eastern names. I guess he thought i was born in Canada. You should have seen this guy who was a very nice person in publice expressed what kind of open disdain and inferiority toward immigrants.
Poeple in Iran are do pissed at the governments that they think anything outside Iran or anyone not Iranina is good for us. Let them experience this disdain "tahgheer" that most whites have toward likes of us. Remember the stupid comment that Prieria or whatever the hell his name was (the guy who took over Iran's team in the game against Australia) after the game. !!!
He said;" I am so gald Iran tied and goe to world cup, now they will go and celebrate and won't go and fight and kill each other". I am not quoting him word by word but this was gist of his comment.

So in summary, they won't come for different reasons. There are tons of coaches like Guus Heading, or Troussier or Henry Michelle who work in third world countries and don't have this I am hundered times better than a thrid world person attitude. If we find someone like them all the power to him and bring him over.

[xoraster]

Even if that was the case that firign was just on that one game? I am sure no. See Korean Federation right now is pressuring Pim Verbeek to recall under 23 team players for the game against Iran and Verbeek is not quite happy with that, because he is worried about the short term and worried if team doesn't do well, his neck is on the line.
This is type of approach they Korean Federation take a long term view with undrestanding that in short term there is a price to pay. I am sure Korean IFF doesn't expect Korean team win every game.
Korea just lost to Ghana 3-1 in Korea. Do you see Pim Verbeek's head on the chopping block!!!!! I am not saying we shouldn't be firing any coaches and keep them forever. All I am sayign is we have to judge them based on a period of time and not one or two games.
Even Arab countries that were infamous for firing the coach after one bad loss are learning and they don't do that as much. Remember who Ivitch got fired after the TM loss to Roma on 98. What a gem we lost, why, because unfortunatly, in Iran federation most fans and people in general don't think long term and simply react to their emotions.

You said he did not get fired, well check the records, that game was the begening of the end for him, so your point there is not valid.

Your point about italy, yes Donadoni is beeing pressured, so is Aragones in Spain (3-4 losses in something like 30 games). Mclaren in England id beeing crusified after only 4-5 games every where else if a coach cannot please the fans.

In regards to Iran, I am all for long term thinking. I think that Simoes should be given a 5 year contract so that he can work with his 'vertical integration' project where he can involve young Iranian coaches with his experienced Brazilian staff.

I think that we should bring an experienced coach and give him a 4 year contract but in terms of Mr Ghalenoie, he is not even close to beeing qualified for this post...........now, Ghalenoie could be french, brazilian, Argentinian or Afghani.........does not matter.
so far, he has proven to be clueless, he is doing everything he criticised Branko for, pretty much using his team.

If you see Korea and Japan not beeing in top form, its because they are making serious changes, Japan for example has a new coach who has invited many young players for official and high profile friendly games.

Verbeek and ghotbi have gone on the record, saying that they want to change the way Koreans approach football, these thing take time.

What have Ghalenoie done or said? He has said noting of value or scientefic besides "we are goin to play Iranian style football" or that "4 back line is mansookh".

Go and compare Simoes interview with ISNA or with Mr Mahjoob and then compare that to Ghalenoie's rethoric.

One sounds like a professor, another like a young and confused student.
Hey man, I didnt ask for new players and "beatifull, attacking Iranian football", Ghalenoie did........................have you watched some of our teams games lately.....

[Ali Chicago]

My point wasn looking at a coach's record over a period of time. Anyone, derservs that. GN as well in my view deservs that time. This guy need to play Asain qualifiers with a list of players that 30 out of 40 is already given to AFC by former IFF, so his hands are tied as far as player selection.

He is giving Majidi, Enayati, Khatibi time. He has to again because he has given their names to AFC. If he keep insisting on those guys then I would agree that he is wasting time, but for now, I rather wait and see.

In regards to Iran, I am all for long term thinking. I think that Simoes should be given a 5 year contract so that he can work with his 'vertical integration' project where he can involve young Iranian coaches with his experienced Brazilian staff.

All the power to you, I have no problem with your suggestion. Please read my other posts. I think there are two issues. One there is this inferiority complex that we think whoever as long as he is not Iranian is better than us. Second one is the fact that I think right now, Iran won't be able to get a first class coach. I would liketo remind you how Branko started with Omid and we and media made a hero out of him that led to his eventual demise. Let's don't do the same to Simoz pls. The guy is great and all, but let's dont' make another god from him as well and then one day when he can't deliver (due to unrealistic demands on our behalf), then make a public enemy off him.

Having said that, I am even willing to led a guy like simoz take over. But please even him needs at least a year. You already made your decision that GN is no good. I ask base on what, you say base on his interviews!!! not enough for me.

I think that we should bring an experienced coach and give him a 4 year contract but in terms of Mr Ghalenoie, he is not even close to beeing qualified for this post...........now, Ghalenoie could be french, brazilian, Argentinian or Afghani.........does not matter.
so far, he has proven to be clueless, he is doing everything he criticised Branko for, pretty much using his team.

You say you are for long term planning ok, give GN without constantly nagging and hanging the Damokless sword over hid head 6 months after Asain qualification, if he behaves the same fire him brother.

If you see Korea and Japan not beeing in top form, its because they are making serious changes, Japan for example has a new coach who has invited many young players for official and high profile friendly games.
Verbeek and ghotbi have gone on the record, saying that they want to change the way Koreans approach football, these thing take time.

I don't know details about Korea or Japan enough, but you seem like a very reasonalbe person based on your recet posting, so I take your words for it. But the same Korea lost 3-1 to Ghana in Seoul, do you see Verbeek's head on the chopping block.

What have Ghalenoie done or said? He has said noting of value or scientefic besides "we are goin to play Iranian style football" or that "4 back line is mansookh".

Coachign is more than just these theoertical stuff. There is not best formation in the world. If there was one every team would haev played that formation only. Your formation is as good as the players you have. I dont' want to get to these theoretical formation pros and cons. And beleive me i Know a few thigns about this. I myself coach and took a few classes and read tens of books in US. IMO, this whole 4-2-3-1 is better than 3-5-2 is not valid. With certain players one coach is better off play 3-5-2 Vs. 4-2-3-1 or vice versa.
Also there is a huge difference between someon knowing the technical analysis of the game and a coach. Ardesheer Mohasses is FIFA insturctor. Remember FIFA not AFC or IFF. But why no team gives him the head coach job. If it was jsut based on theory and technical game analysis he is probalby the most qualified guy in Iran. Even in Germany, they had supposeldy Yoakhim Lou who was the brain behind Kleinsman. Coaching is dealing with the player psychic specially at the TM level. Coachign TM from Club is very different. I wish people were pressurign the IFF for getting forgien coaches to our clubs and our youth programs rather than national team. If we have good coaches there, national Team head coach is easier, since he has a bunch of players who undrestand what does it mean to only do the assigned duties. When he is told to don't foul in our defensive third unless u have to, he does that. If he is told mark your man in the box like a leech he will do it. National coach can't and doesnt' have time to teach them these stuff.
Simoz has the Omid boys for about 2 years now. People sing in his priase, and all the power to him but people don't realize what does it mean to have a team togehter more or less for 2 years.

Remember Omman I think it was. How they gave us heck in Asian championship!!! We were down 2-0 I think. That team under Milan Machala was amazing right? Do u know why? One of the reasons was the the skeleton of that team is the youth u-16 Oman's team that got a fairly good rank (not sure what exactly) in late 90s youth FIFA championship. Those players have palyed and stayed together for like 5-6 years. And you saw what they did to us. Macala has never been successful liek that no where else in the Persian golf. Point is at other levels when team has time to grow with each other, it has a tremendous advantage that current TM doesn't beacause GN is trying to establish his own regime on TM yet.

Go and compare Simoes interview with ISNA or with Mr Mahjoob and then compare that to Ghalenoie's rethoric.
One sounds like a professor, another like a young and confused student.
Hey man, I didnt ask for new players and "beatifull, attacking Iranian football", Ghalenoie did........................have you watched some of our teams games lately.....

I am nto saying GN is the best coach or for that matter he hasn't made mistakes. I for one liked to see he playing IPL based players against Taiwan. What I am worried about this over critical attitude that is getting the norm toward the TM coach. It was the same thing that drove Branko toward its cosnervative attitude in part maybe. He was afraid to loose one game and every one was asking for his head.

The same thing is happening to GN as well. Guy has a 2-2-0 record and 68% of people on PFDC want him remvoed. Imagine if he looses one game. If you were GN wouldn't u be thinking twice about taking risks. I would.

To be honest I guess if he wasnt' under so much pressure, he would have entertained playign with not full legioners against Taiwan. But imagine had he done that and for whatever reason, Taiwan woudl ahve got a tie against us or beat us in Taipeh (the same way Syria got a tie in Seoul). Omg, GN's life would have been in danger.

Again what i am worryign about is this over critical attitude toward TM head coach and this wrong impression that our team has to play beatiful every god damn game adn beat every team by like 6 goals or TM's head caoch is at fault. GN will go, but you will see this attitude won't go away.

[xoraster]

Ali Agha, in terms of saying that someone like Simoes is prefered to Ghalenoie by me ( and many other fans) just becuase we prefer foreigners is just insane.............please, take away their nationalities and put their CV's next to each other..........its a WORLD of difference.

In terms of Ghalenoie, if you think that he and other coaches need time to prove themselves, I agree. In Iran, we must learn to give coaches time and encourage clubs/coaches to think and plan long term insted of living and planning as if every game will be there last........ but.................. many of us believe that Ghalenoie was not the right choice to start with and that inside connections/politics had to to with it.
That is why we have a negative outview. You cant just bring people with zero experience coaching in Asian Cup and then finding out that he is not the real deal.

Idealy, you bring someone who has been there done that and see if they can implement their previous succesful receipe toward TM.
We have not done that, so this is not an ideal situation.

[The-Red]

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[Martin-Reza]

lol

[yashar_fasihnia]

Yashar jaan, Zandi didn't have a team for heaven sake. He wasn't able to earn a spot on his own team for the past 1.5 years for heaven sake. Maybe GN has grudges toward him, I am not in his heart and don't know. But let's be fair, it is reasonable to not invite a player if he can't earn a spot on his own team and you can't claim that is due to a grudge, unless u have a valid proof.

ok...
1)first of all, u and me both know ghalenoi DOES HAVE A GRUDGE AGAINST HIM.. its not because of his status in the club because he officially himself said "aghaye fereydoune zandi jayi tu barnamehaye man nadare"
2)we are comparing fighthing for a spot in kaiserslautern versus midfielders playng in IPL andUAE league, wat a fair comparison
3)Thridly and finally, u wanna temme zandi is not among the top 40 players of iran?? cos when ghalenoi invited 40 players for TM camp, zandi's name was not there! he could have atleast been call for a trial!!!


khodeto gul nazan alaki ali jan..

[yashar_fasihnia]

Now u are comparing apples and oranges aziz. I said most of these bastards (forgien coaches) dont' come to Iran due to different reason. Due to lack of freedoms they want, to have a woman, drink, etc. etc. Some of them are just god damn racist (see my listing below about racist attitude toward middle easterners particualry below), some of them get scared because of the middle east political turmoil and Iranian atomic things. Many won't come because we can't pay them enough. 500K we paid to Branko for coaching is a meager amount compared to the pay a first class coach get. For everyone is different.

motmaeni man chize dige joz ina goftam??
as far as i remember, these were my main reasons as well..infact, i mentioned
each of these, plus extra reasons like corruption, about killing foreign female correspondents in mens jail, etc but u said im talking as if itsa disease being an iranian and then u gave a long post on me being young and not heard of timsar rahimi and not reading the shah name, etc..remember/?
well i do..because u were wrong that time, and ur wrong now as well..these are things u ASSUME..because i have mentioned all the reasons above, i know who timsar rahimi was and his courage and loyalty towards the shah and the heroic deeds of rostam in shah name..

again ur just ASSUMING that im comparing nationalities and i have an inferiority complex towards them when clearly i dont,,, otherwise i would worship every 2nd rated eurpoean coach who came to iran like begovich or roland koch like u mentioned urself..
but remember, when everyone was celebrating haans arrival in iran to join perspolis, i was the first one to criticize his move and pointed out the fact that this guy is not only incompetent in coaching(look at his cv and it says it all) but also is cunning and has come to take over TM job considering the negative atmosphere circling over branko's head in iran..

What you do is different. Look at your signature. You say Branko is not used to a corrupt system but our players are. You judge our players based on their nationality, they are used to a corrupt but Branko aint' why, because he is not an Iranian. I still think you and people like you have this inferiority complex toward European and westerners particulaly. That is why a 2nd rated Branko in your opinion is far better than Majid Jalali or GN or ... fill in the blanks with a vatani coach.
I don't have the skils, pateience, and time of doing reserach and cut and paste all my posts like Mansoor does so well. But, be fair, in the same post you refered to , how many times, I listed teh acheivments of Iran (not teh current government) and how many times I expressed my love for Iran. So, what I am saying and doing is different from what you practically doing.
See you and many like you, beleive basically what happened in WC was the farily accurate strenght of our football and this is pretty much where we belonged. We didnt' do well in WC but we didn't do that horrible either. To you guys, you dont' want to see the potential and are ready to settle for crubms that forginers throw at us.

no,,,again ur assuming...
first of all, i have as much love for iran as u do, i would like to see its success as much as u do..
second of all, i repeat, i dont have any inferiority complex towards europeans, specially east europeans whose countries and people's life are in a worse condition than irans!
lastly and most important of all, u are trying to tell me u prefer ghalenoi to branko? u think ghalenoi will get us a better result than branko? if this is true, then i have nothing to talk about with u anymore...
I prefer a second rated eurpoean coach because he adds different dimensions to our football which our iranian coaches cant..thats all, why is it so hard for u to accept this fact?

I don't consider Haan, fateh Trim even as a 1st class coach. To be honest, Turkey's 3rd rank in WC 02 was a fluke in my opinion and Turkey's soccer isn't at an average European team even.
I was in Istanbul for two weeks and watched at least 5 live soccer matches from Turkish league live and tons of UEFA and other games that Turkish teams played. Their soccer isn't that good from what I saw.
I said forgien coaches first calss one don't come to Iran. It is their shitty attitude or to be honest could be due to other reasons, better opportunity all the way to even racisem that they may have toward middle easterners. You guys have to live here to know the depth of racist and anti middle eastern sentiments by even Europeans. I am not going to talk about Americans here. I personally was called a Camel Jacker at least 3 time by my own team mates who were originally from Poland. Remember these were my own team mates. That is one of the reason I got so pissed off by some of this oh if he is khareji, he must be better attitude. You have to live here and see the disdain they have toward third world in general and middle East in Particular. I myself was talking to this French guy and since he was French Canadain, he didnt' realize my slight accent and he was dumb enough to not realize Ali is a middle Eastern names. I guess he thought i was born in Canada. You should have seen this guy who was a very nice person in publice expressed what kind of open disdain and inferiority toward immigrants.
Poeple in Iran are do pissed at the governments that they think anything outside Iran or anyone not Iranina is good for us. Let them experience this disdain "tahgheer" that most whites have toward likes of us. Remember the stupid comment that Prieria or whatever the hell his name was (the guy who took over Iran's team in the game against Australia) after the game. !!!
He said;" I am so gald Iran tied and goe to world cup, now they will go and celebrate and won't go and fight and kill each other". I am not quoting him word by word but this was gist of his comment.
So in summary, they won't come for different reasons. There are tons of coaches like Guus Heading, or Troussier or Henry Michelle who work in third world countries and don't have this I am hundered times better than a thrid world person attitude. If we find someone like them all the power to him and bring him over.

the guy ur talking about is valdir viera..our coach..
worse than taht was australian coach terry venables arrogant attitude taht he said how could he possibly get knocked out by iran?

anywayz, i have been to many european cities, and i have been exposed to these treatments...
barcelona, istanbul, antalya, cyprus..all of them..
believe it or not, in barcelona airport, the trolley boy refused to take my aunts baggage while she was carrying 2 children in her arms although she had american passport!
again barcelona, i went and asked the sales lady something in english and she just turned away and said something..
in cyprus, the police shouted at my mom when they made us sit in the investigation room just because my mom asked her wats wrong??
i have been there, i have seen it..i have been to various chat rooms and games rooms in different sites, i have seen their attitude,, their ignorant and unaware attitude..

and thats exactly why i kept repeating,, "considering the current political, economic and cultural circumstances in iran, branko is the best we can get"
and thats the only reason i supported him, because we couldnt get a better coach atleast at this point of time..

yes, i know these things happen,, but my main point ali agha is that,, when some branko supporters said that first class coaches wont and dont come to iran, there were many people who said then how come arie haan came ot iran, why did fateh terim come, etc and im sure u remember this.. now suddenly the same words are repeated by the branko bashers...


P.S. i tried looking for that thread where everyone was happy about arie haan but i criticized him and the perspolis fans accused me of being jealous because he has come to perspolis... now look at their comments on him,,, i also tried looking for the thread where u, soheil and me had this conversation about my signarture, about u saying i talk as if being iranian is a disease etc but i couldnt find any of the above 2 threads because the site doesnt allow me to check more than 500 previous posts of mine...and these 2 threads were long before that...
but i guess u have to just trust me on this...

[VivaItalia]

I can't read Italian, so no Italian newpapers and one article that you posted above, says he is under criticizem. I said not as much as GN. Under GN we still haven't lost and everyone wants his head. But I think my point is still valid, the Italy's team the world championship hasnt' won in 4 games and their qualification to UEFA in in danger and not many people talking about firing him (as compared to our tm coach).

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You don't need to be able to read Italian. Just type DONADONI & CRITICISM in your yahoo and read tons of articles! I just brought you an example and it clearly says:

Juventus goalkeeper Buffon led the tributes to the under-fire coachDonadoni has faced unfair criticism after our recent performances and we dedicate this result to him," said Buffon. "He was unfairly used as a scapegoat and we won for him." ACF Fiorentina striker Luca Toni, who scored the second goal, added: "I was pleased for Donadoni, who has been going through a tough period, like all of us."


If this is not enough for you then I'm sorry!
By the way, Italy didn't win in only 3 games not 4. and they are in a very good shape now following two good wins with good performance. Not a 2-0 win against a crappy 4th rated team in Asia displaying a pooooor performance. Lets not distort the facts to suit our purpose.

Thanks

[Ali Chicago]

ok...
1)first of all, u and me both know ghalenoi DOES HAVE A GRUDGE AGAINST HIM.. its not because of his status in the club because he officially himself said "aghaye fereydoune zandi jayi tu barnamehaye man nadare"

The quote that you attributed to GN isn't a sing of grudge. Either you don't use the grudge loosley or this doesn't mean grudge. There is a huge difference btween grudge and differing prioritiets. Yashar jaan, this is not a grudge. A coach has a vision for a team and certain player doesn't fit that role. I dont' want get into bahese moola loghati with you here about the defenition of grudge. Grudge is I don't like your face kind of. Vs. A differnce of vision.
Let me give you an example, right now you and I have a different vision about what needs to be done in Iranian soccer. If you come to power I don't expect you give a guy like me a chance. Not beacuse you have a grudge against me, it is because our priorities are different.

I myself were demoted to bench when I played in early 90s in Canada (Ottawa priemier division). And without BS I was one of the best player then about 25 pounds lighter and 13 years younger. I was demoted because, coach talked to me and told me that club has a 5 year plan and they want to relye on youth for long term where I am at teh end of my soccer playing time. So I will have a support role, can I deal with it or not. They guy liked me and all. I had to make a decision and of course being an Iranian (too proud) I opted out and played for a weaker team (a mostly arabic team) as a starter!!!! LOL.

So as u can see it is matter of vision not grudge.

2)we are comparing fighthing for a spot in kaiserslautern versus midfielders playng in IPL andUAE league, wat a fair comparison

God. Germany league isn't that great in the first place, Kaisarulautern isn't a great team secondly, the guy had almost 2 years to earn a place and couldn't come among the 18 players for the game day. What is it that as soon as someone played in a forgien coutnry everyone thinks he must be bah bah and chah chah. I see everyoen want Dejagheh or X or Y to play for National team becuase they play for a second division or first division team in Germany. What a joke. Plus it can be certain post. For example when King Dai was in TM, no matter how good you were, u had no chance. We even sacrificed Hashemian for him. So Zandi can be great but if someone or few better we have in the same post. he won't get invited.

3)Thridly and finally, u wanna temme zandi is not among the top 40 players of iran?? cos when ghalenoi invited 40 players for TM camp, zandi's name was not there! he could have atleast been call for a trial!!!

khodeto gul nazan alaki ali jan..

To be honest, in my opinion he isn't. I am not saying this now, If search my posts u see that was my opinion from teh begining. He is a David Beckham in smaller scale. Pretty body who girls wil giggle for, which teams needs to sell jersey, but in term of footballing he is a very average player. And this is my honest opinion so I don't udrestand why you say I shoudln't be deceivign myself. Maybe it is the problem of you and I two Iranian are discussing this in English and words come across wrong. I never accused you of deceiving yourself. I simplay see it as your opinion and u are entitled to it.

[Ali Chicago]

I can't read Italian, so no Italian newpapers and one article that you posted above, says he is under criticizem..

As the posting above shows, I accepted that he is under criticizem as you stated in your earleir post. So how did I distort thing dadash. Either there is a problem because of we write in English or something. Please be respectful. I never insulat or accuse you of something. Let's just agree to disagree dadash. If you want to have a disccusion and dialogue not argument please choose your words carefully and don't come here to prove your point and you are totally right and other guy is wrong. So please your words more carefully. I don't see your face or hear yoru tone when I read your post. So when I see distort!!!! it bascially means I am a Dooroghghoo or Shaayyed. Which I am not.

You don't need to be able to read Italian. Just type DONADONI & CRITICISM in your yahoo and read tons of articles! I just brought you an example and it clearly says:

Juventus goalkeeper Buffon led the tributes to the under-fire coachDonadoni has faced unfair criticism after our recent performances and we dedicate this result to him," said Buffon. "He was unfairly used as a scapegoat and we won for him." ACF Fiorentina striker Luca Toni, who scored the second goal, added: "I was pleased for Donadoni, who has been going through a tough period, like all of us."


If this is not enough for you then I'm sorry!
By the way, Italy didn't win in only 3 games not 4. and they are in a very good shape now following two good wins with good performance. Not a 2-0 win against a crappy 4th rated team in Asia displaying a pooooor performance. Lets not distort the facts to suit our purpose.

Thanks