Branko Bashing will not solve all our problems.

[zzgloo]

I agree with smanhoobi , as I have said the same thing over and over......
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We should judg the situation as if a year has gone by....and not with today's frustrated emotions........................

[Dr.shark]

well I think we should make a big deal out of this now not a year from now. a year from now we have to deal with what is going on at that time. Hard puneshment must be given to all those that are at blame for our results at this world cup. and the head of that is Dadkan e Haramzade and Fu*king branko.

[perspolees]

dadkan is gone, so is branko..

IN KHAR MEERE YEKI DIGE MIYAD!
this is exactly the third annivarsary of me saying this on this board...fundamentals were never attended to hence this is what we have.

before the games I put up my tickets for sale on ebay! I thought after watching Iran in their friendlies that I really can't take it to go to Germany and see the idiot Branko and his Gestapo iron hold captain to ruin all of my hopes and cheers for my beloved country. I could not live with myself and I went to the games just to see the disaster!

all the blind ons...I congratulate you for your persistance on keeping the blinds on...carry on with long live branko, daei and Co! mottos....daei has declared that he will attempt to play in 2010...lololol I am sure that you will find excuses to support that as well...maybe we even bring back branko!

on this board the majority thought that we will go thru!! to second round or at least collect four points!!
I have said that then and I say it now....for that mentality, Branko and daei along with mirza and nosrati and our soorakh defa are all a perfect match!! its all about a big soorakh that does not hold brain cells!

[Doctor DOOM]

soheil jan,
my words were not directed at you.

and I am writing this, only becoz of you. ( as I had decided not write anything for sometime )

soheil jan,
nobody, also, said branko was THE ONLY problem we've had.

but some of these kids and laj baaz fellows defend the indefensible.
and now they are trying to put the blame onto others and distract from where we failed .

for the last time, I am saying this:

yes, we have a defunt and deficient football in Iran. But how many countries have the perfect football?
None !
Take a look at Italy, or England or ….
No country has the perfect one, bereft of problems, scandals, deficiencies, … .

Yes, we don’t have proper and top class infrastructure.
But there aren’t that many who do, and there are countries who don’t, and yet, they do well in major tournaments.

The issue of these basic and infrastructural needs is one that we all have gone over, and all are of the agreement that we need …. Desperately, to tend to these.

BUT, the point is , even though we have these problems, we do reach he WC and we are talented, and we are a passionate footballing nation, and our fans are not all that dumb and our players are getting better with each passing year and …..
To deny this , is to deny daylight.

The matter right now is why didn’t we use all we had at our disposal , for these WC games?
Why weren’t we at our maximum-possible best ?
Especially since we had time, we gave the coach plenty of resources, time , funds, …
Also, since we had the most talented bunch of Iranian players , mostly experienced and exposed adequately, gathered at this point of time.


We are talking about mistakes that could have easily been prevented.
This has absolutely NOTHING to do with lacks in infrastructure or …. !


When we have 7 issues going against us, let us , at least, get the other 3 issues right to compensate for this 7 wrongs.
We didn’t.

Why?
Becoz some of us are lazy, some others have inferiority complex, some others are after the wrong goals, some … !


I’ll give you a few examples of things that could and shd have been done better , and they never materialized !

Example 1- Daei’s performance is open to all, and no matter how we try to defend it, he just didn’t perform well enough.
Does keeping him for 90 minutes, when he’s performing sub-par, spring from lack of stadia in seestaan ?

Example 2 – the coach, whose capability was apparent to all ( but some did laj baazi and denied the truth ) refuses to include a physical trainer for the team.
Is our infrastructure at fault for his refusal ?

( one would think our bad infrastructure shd have been THE reason for him to want one on his team !! )


Example 3 – a coach who has worked with the same set of players for 5 bloody long years, still is unable to get even a half-decent team-work out of the players.
We still see TM play as a set of 11 individuals , rather than a team.

You want to blame the culture for this ?

Example 4 – some of the most horrendous and stupid substitution tactics was seen by branko.
Subbings where not only they didn’t help the team or change the rhythm of the game, .. but also weakened the team at times !
How is this related to Iranian football’s shortcomings ( which are plenty )?

Example 5 – despite repeated failures of the coach to take the team ahead in terms of performance and quality , our officials not only don’t do anything, but deny reality, twist the truth, lie and cheat, label all those who criticize, …. .


now, some of us out of pure laj baazi ( and insecurity to admit to their wrong original beleifs ) are picking out scape-goats like karimi or daei or ... !
utter garbage !

who is responsible for some horrible selections?
karimi?

who is responsible for denying addition of a psychologist to the team?
karimi?

who is responsible for picking some of the most stupid, inferior and useless staff to back this moronic assistant coach ?
karimi?

who is responsible for screwing with a team that used to attack well, and force it to lose its natural ability ?
karimi?

who is responsible for the coach's lack of ability and his one-dimensional system.
a system that once it is countered, the coach is left flabbergasted and confused as to what the hell he shd do !!
karimi?

who is responsible for appointing not one, but two coaches for a GK who still makes the same mistakes he used to make 4-5 years back?
karimi?

who is responsible for injecting self-doubt, fear and insecurity into the team , so when they face even a weak mexican team, they crumble and dont beleive they can win them?
karimi?

who is responsible for runnign away from any semblance of decent opposition in friendlies , so when the players do face big names, they would fold and foil like we did ?
karimi?

who is responsible for ..........



And there are many many more issues that are similar to these.
Issues and mistakes that could have been prevented and avoided had we a better IFF and coaching staff … which, btw, was imminently possible ( despite what immature fans claim. )

Finally, nobody has to take MY words for these.
As I am but a simple fan, with no claims.

However, there are many professional experts and coaches and … who have said the exact thing.
And ARE saying it even today, after this fiasco.

So plz forgive me if I don’t heed , credit , or even respect these little kids who think they can analyze a situation and come up with different theories than ppl whose jobs are this.

the problem is some immature, naive little kids ( mentally, although some , chronologically shd be more than adults ) still try to defend the indefensible, and try to paint a different pictrure of a coach, a staff and an IFF haed who were wrong from the very beginning.

when these children refuse to face reality, then you see more ppl talk about these ppl's failings and mistakes.

if we all accept where we went worng, then this opens up the way for us to , finally, LEARN from our mistakes and failures, AND MAYBE NEXT TIME WE WOULDNT MAKE THEM AGAIN !
but when we adamantly refuse to see the truth ,and out of our insecurity, still defend a failed issue, then that leaves no room for going forward.
hence we still talk about how miserable we were and blame this and that and .... !


yes, I DARE say, even with our deficient infrastructure and psychology and inferior stadia and ... we COULD HAVE done far far better at this WC.
we had the talent, potential and time to do it right.
and we wasted it on the wrong ppl.

this WC was to be our big event, our break through.
and we dropped the ball .
.... dropped it at least 2 years ago !
( yet some of us didnt see it, .... some dont like to accept it , even now !! )


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vassalam.

all I can say in the end is, I hope at least, those ppl who wanted to retain branko for the WC, so he would get this into his resume ( and I dare say, had the good of branko as their priority , AND NOT TM & IRAN ) , are happy, satisfied and content, they achieved their goal.

it's better to see some among many, happy , rather than ALL sad .

[Hajagha]

For how long can you go on fooling yourself by finding ONE scapegoat as excuse for everything? It's the same story for a decade now and some never learn.
Not surprisingly the tone by people who always seek such easy solution is often the same.

Very good post, just remember for the next coach when you list his victories and calim "he is the best coach Iran ever had". Scapegoat should work both sides.

I am sure Branko now lists all his vicories with Iran in his resume and never mention names like Azizi who coming in minute 80 t save his a$$ (while he talked bs about him), or having Karimi who could dribble 3 players, or we played against Laos way too many times. He doesn't know Parvin won the highest number of trouphy as a coach in Iran too.

Cheers

[Doctor DOOM]

btw, I forgot to add this:

all those idiots who , instead of looking at quality and performances, had eyes for "numbers" only, can now, write those numbers on a long pole and shove it up their kazoo as this WC PROVED those numbers have such uses only.

we saw how those "numbers" translated to this misery when we faced half-decent teams ... or even very weak teams like angola !

happy shoving.

[Ali Chicago]

Doctore come on now Khaylee Khashen shodee

Doctor Doom Jaan,
Can I kindly request that you tone down a bit. We all have different points of view and obviously none of us is always right. Right now, you have a picture of Dadkan with a cross on it. Now, just think about it, maybe and just maybe your and my opposition to Dadkan actually will help to factiliate and pave the way to have even worst people like Mayeli or even hezbollahier than Dadkan.

We don't know, do we? Point is someone later can talk to you , I or whoever that opposed Dadkan and Branko with the same tone? "happy shoving!!!!!". Reading your postings , indicated you have a very analytical mind and I suggest we don't use terms like that.

First step toward progress for us Iranian is to learn to have a dialouge. In order to dialouge not argument is to accept the fact that none of us and I repeat none of us has the monopoly of truth.

I read some of your posting. Could you really guarenty if we hand Macala it would not have been pretty much the same? !!!!!

we all are Iranians and trying to do the best (or at least what we think is best for Iran), none of us are agent of forigen governments or anything. So, let agree to disagree and none of the shoving stuff please.

That is one thing I admire about americans and even Isrealies (the way they respect an American or Isrealie). American still are searching in Vietnam to find the bones of dead Americna soliders. Or Isealies exchange one Isreali soilder with liek 100 Paletinian. Because they respect their compatriots even their deads. Can we say the same about our own country men or women? Do we treat and respect each other the same way?

[yashar_fasihnia]

i think that post of doctor doom was towards me because of certain words and phrases used, if u werent talking about me peyman khan, plz ignore this message.

nobody, also, said branko was THE ONLY problem we've had.
but some of these kids and laj baaz fellows defend the indefensible.
and now they are trying to put the blame onto others and distract from where we failed .

however, ur avatar, ur constant bashing of ONLY branko and accusing him for every short coming says otherwise.
however, the immature, lajbaaz idol worshipper kid (me) never stopped myself of criticising branko of wat i thought was wrong, yet, i supported him because i was afraid of today when maelli kohan takes over!
well, u seemed to prefer him over branko anywayz, i hope ur happy now that u dont wanna talk about this matter for sometime (as u said in ur post).
gudluck to maelli kohan and his team and the lat aliabadi who hasnt even touched a football in his entire life yet he is head of tarbiyat badani!

lets see how much success we will have now that branko is gone and a worse guy (and his team) will take over. i promise i wont "distract" u and others from the real reasons we failed this time and dont blame others (although i dont really remember who except our country's current status as a whole)

i dunno wat to say when the mature experienced "unlajbaz" "un naive" fan like u who is supported by his "critiques" on TV and in the iranian "newspaper" consider branko the main reason we fail and not the the real root of not only our football but all our problems in the world which is our country's political, economic and cultural status!
Yes, im the one defending the indefensible, not u who thinks this means "blaming others for my idol/god whoever - Branko"

yes, we have a defunt and deficient football in Iran. But how many countries have the perfect football?
None !
Take a look at Italy, or England or ….
No country has the perfect one, bereft of problems, scandals, deficiencies, … .

Yes, we don’t have proper and top class infrastructure.
But there aren’t that many who do, and there are countries who don’t, and yet, they do well in major tournaments.

The issue of these basic and infrastructural needs is one that we all have gone over, and all are of the agreement that we need …. Desperately, to tend to these.
.

For heavens sake, ur comparing us with italy and england?? just because no country's football system is perfect and without errors, that means they should be like iran's??

i guess it doesnt matter if their players play in worldclass leagues, against the toughest opponents, the most professional attitudes, the most advanced fitness levels, the harshest conditions, the most advanced facilites & knowldge(both tactically and technically) week in week out, sometimes twice or even thrice a week!
All this doesnt make a difference huh?
then wat does?

The usual "binary" doctor doom, no country has a perfect football system, take a look at italy and england,,,! that means we should be performing like all other teams because our football system has errors just like others.

BUT, the point is , even though we have these problems, we do reach he WC and we are talented, and we are a passionate footballing nation, and our fans are not all that dumb and our players are getting better with each passing year and …..
To deny this , is to deny daylight.

and to deny that passion and talent alone will get us far and help us play beautiful football is to deny "nightlight"
no other factor of football matters i suppose.

i dont even wanna mention that other teams also do have talent (maybe not as much as us), passion, and evne other benefits we dont! so why shouldnt they progress? are they all gonna sit still and wait for iran to progress? infact their progress is much faster than iran's, even teams like qatar and thailand!

The matter right now is why didn’t we use all we had at our disposal , for these WC games?
Why weren’t we at our maximum-possible best ?
Especially since we had time, we gave the coach plenty of resources, time , funds, …

depends wat u call maximum resources at our disposal.
besides the friendly matches, wat DIDNT we do to have maximum possible best? we couldnt get worldclass coaches, so we had to stick to wat WE COULD HAVE! oh well, we could have maelli kohan as well whom u preferred to branko, but i guess u dont speak for everybody here, neither do i. thats why i said, it depends how u define "maximum possible best"

about why we didnt have more friendlys, most of them were cancelled, thanx to our political situation in the world(nothing major comapred to branko's flaws ). some might argue that branko didnt wanna hold friendly games because he was scared of losing his spot after looking at ivic.
First of all, let me say wat we did to ivic was totally unprofessional and because we conceded from roma 7 goals we have to fire one of the best coaches to which even the players admitted?? So why should we be complaining? we are the ones being unprofessional about it and anyone in branko's position would suspect the same from a bunch of lat corrupt selfish illiterate (atleast in the field of football) fools who are running the show?
All this is only ASSUMING we didnt have friendly's because branko was scared he would get fired!

Besides, the only 2 decent friendlies we got was because of branko's contacts with croatia and bosnia! had it been maelli kohan with taht rish of his and friend of ali abadi and ahamdinejad, god knows if the world would even speak to this guy to arrange a friendly game!

Secondly, we werent at our peak, because our most influential players were all injured just before the worldcup! none of them were perfectly match fit and this was our bad luck! and the rest were IPL fitness, experience, professional and knowledgeable level! wat do u expect?
infact, today morning, IRINN channel (khabar channel) made interviews the TM players in the airport, u wanna know wat karimi said: "ma natayeje matlubio nagerefti faghat bekhatereinke vaziyate jesmanimun be hade jame jahani nabud! ma faghat vaziyate badani az harifamun kamtar budim va ino ghabl az jame jahaniyam goftebudim ke ma sartar az harifamunam mitunim bashim vali ba vaziyat badaniye khub"!
here is wat mirzapour said "motasefane, bacheha az nazare ghodrate badani kam ovordan tu baziha va moshakhas bud ke bad az deyghe 60 ma teame ma zaeef mishod va bekhtare hamin golamuno age tavajoh konin bad az deyghe 60 khordim." here is the interesting part.. "8 ta az bazikonaye aslimun natunestan tu orduye badansaziyemun sherkat konan bekhtare masdumiyat ya vazaefe bashgahi"!
u be the judge if im twisting reality or making up excuses to defend my idol or not!

i dunno why branko didnt accept a fitness coach, i havent read or heard anything about it to be able to reason it to myself, but if there was no reason except that branko thought he could signle handedly do it himself (guys like sharokhi and faraki are just "mojasames" there), he was hugely mistaken and that is a mistake on his part!

this reminds me, branko's kadre fanny, look at them! wat do u expect from such a staff? branko had noone to discuss with matters when he needed help, he was single handed in his job!

and lastly, please dont say branko was given "plenty of resources and funds"
unless ur comparing them to wat japan, korea and saudi arabia invested in! We had NOTHING compared to them!

dont say portugal didnt play many friendlys because portugal and other european teams are of a much better standard in terms of everything!
compare ourselves to other asian countries because we are roughly comparable!

Why?
Becoz some of us are lazy, some others have inferiority complex, some others are after the wrong goals, some … !

and some of us have an unrealistic view and expectations!

Example 1- Daei’s performance is open to all, and no matter how we try to defend it, he just didn’t perform well enough.
Does keeping him for 90 minutes, when he’s performing sub-par, spring from lack of stadia in seestaan ?

no, and nobody said it was because of lack of stadia in seestan. nobody said it was because the sky is blue either!
but daei has influences, and the fact that he provides the jerseys not only for TM (except for WC) but more than half the teams of IPL, his huge success, experience and his character, etc which the same "critiques" who agree to ur arguments also mention does play a role.

Example 2 – the coach, whose capability was apparent to all ( but some did laj baazi and denied the truth ) refuses to include a physical trainer for the team.
Is our infrastructure at fault for his refusal ?

( one would think our bad infrastructure shd have been THE reason for him to want one on his team !! )

sorry, but u dont speak for "all", u speak for SOME, just like i speak for "SOME OTHERS"
compare his records with maelli kohans, then temme who is more capable!
compare his record to ANY IRANIAN COACH, see who is more capable!
or even ur buddy macala who u were voting for months earlier, see how many times he has switched places from national team to clubs team in the gulf! look at his record and temme who is more capable!

dont compare him to coaches who we cant achieve! and dont temme we can have those coaches! u and me both know we cant!
thats why i said, he is the best we could have, cos looking at our other alternatives, its wiser to choose bad instead of worse!

Example 3 – a coach who has worked with the same set of players for 5 bloody long years, still is unable to get even a half-decent team-work out of the players.
We still see TM play as a set of 11 individuals , rather than a team.

You want to blame the culture for this ?

maybe u should compare their team work to the team work we had before him!
if we can have 200 passes in one game under branko, we couldnt have more than 100 before him! unless u were expecting some miracle, this is wat we should or rather u should have expected from branko, TM and iran as a country!
and there is no denial iranians arent the best team workers! and this is because of their mentality which YES, is partly due to culture!

and if u wanna talk about futsal, that was because we were the only coutnry in asia who had a league in futsal! other countries DIDNT EVEN HAVE A FUTSAL LEAGUE earlier! we had individual players like shamsaei and heydarian who could influence our game! we had tecknik which plays a major role in futsal!
look at our condition in futsal today! japan can beat us, thailand can draw with us! and guess wat, we dont have heydarian anymore, shamsaei is getting old and getting known to our opponents and being studied and marked, other countries like japan and uzbekistan have developed a professional futsal league! Does all this seem like a coincidence?

Example 4 – some of the most horrendous and stupid substitution tactics was seen by branko.
Subbings where not only they didn’t help the team or change the rhythm of the game, .. but also weakened the team at times !
How is this related to Iranian football’s shortcomings ( which are plenty )?

Agree, i do get pissed at branko's substitutions.
But there are a few things to remember:
First, sometimes he made subsitutions which helped, like azizi in qatar game, enayati, borhani, khatibi in friendlies against bosnia and croatia.
Secondly, there seems to be some sorta influence in the team agian, most probably be daei and/or ali abadi and gang.
Thirdly, just because u or me dont feel the substitution is right doesnt make the substitution wrong. Brnako is not only more knowledgeable AND experienced than us, he is also more informed about the opponent and the players conditions because he is in direct touch with them!
Fourthly, yes, i still think branko could have made better substitutions but remember, he is no worldclass coach and even if he was, he would still make mistakes and would have his flaws because he too is a human being!

Example 5 – despite repeated failures of the coach to take the team ahead in terms of performance and quality , our officials not only don’t do anything, but deny reality, twist the truth, lie and cheat, label all those who criticize, …. .

thats how u see it.
branko got a lot of good results with the team, so a few bad results doesnt mean he should be fired!
besides, branko openly said he is a result oriented coach, and he did get results much more often than not. maybe ur not pleased with that, but others including the officials are.

also, agian, there are huge gaps and mafia bazis in the authorities, so everyone will be lobbying for their own interest. this is corruption, which u seem to accept exists in our country, so how do u expect everything always happen for the best of the coutnry isntead of certain individuals??

now, some of us out of pure laj baazi ( and insecurity to admit to their wrong original beleifs ) are picking out scape-goats like karimi or daei or ... !
utter garbage !

indeed some of us our lajbaaz, but this doesnt mean its the branko supporter or let me talk about myself who is lajbaaz. being lajbaaz and making excuses is different from having a realistic view and finding the real problems.

i always admitted branko is neither worldclass and he does make mistakes and i disagree with his views many times(i know im not an expert but wat im trying to say is its not that i agree to watever he says or does, or like u say, "my idol") but i support him because i dont want someone worse to take over. and also, i think its not fair to blame and accuse him for everything that goes on.

and if ur talking about me, i never picked a scape goat like daei or karimi, infact i always said its a collection of factors, primarily, our country's political, economic and cultural status.

who is responsible for some horrible selections?
karimi?

no, and noone said it is karimi's fault
besides, horrible selection is wat u see it as.
please show me ur ideal selection. all these players were arguably the best players we had in iran, with mabye 2 or 3 exceptions! In every part of the world, coaches make a few selections which people argue over! its normal!
do u know any better goalkeeper than mirzapour, talebloo, roudbarian?
how many better defenders than kaabi, yahya, rezai, zare, nosrati, sadeghi, sohrab are there in iran?
how many better midfielders than kia, karimi, zandi, nekounam, teymourian, shojaei, kazemiyan, madanchi??
how many better forwards are there than daei, khatibi, enayati, borhani, hashemian?

Remember, branko left out his out of form and injured yet "favoured players" like alavi, nikbakht, navidkia, kameli mofrad, rahmati, jabbari! so dont come up with the excuse that branko chose players based on their "names"

who is responsible for denying addition of a psychologist to the team?
karimi?

like i said, i dunno about this one, but if its true, and if there was no reason at all except branko not wanting him thinking he can do it single handedly, then branko is 100% faulty on this one!
Remember, IF!

who is responsible for picking some of the most stupid, inferior and useless staff to back this moronic assistant coach ?
karimi?

noone said karimi either!
ur just coming up with any type of argument to make ur point doctor jan.
u urself know better nobody say its karimi's fault for any of these, so please make some valid points.

who is responsible for screwing with a team that used to attack well, and force it to lose its natural ability ?
karimi?

result oriented coaches are found all over the world and have proven they can achieve good results. branko openly said he was of this type, but many people prefer this over playing good attacking football but conceding a goal on counter attacks and losing on ur own turf! maybe the officials were fine with that, including fans!

who is responsible for the coach's lack of ability and his one-dimensional system.
a system that once it is countered, the coach is left flabbergasted and confused as to what the hell he shd do !!
karimi?

thats ur opinion, not necessarily the truth. if ur talking about the worldcup,
MY OPINION which almost all the players indicated somehow or the other was our fitness levela nd our stamina was not worldcup level.
no wonder our first half games were good, because we had the energy.

And besides, branko has made iran play more formations than any other coach of iran ever!
the most popular ones are 4-4-2, 3-4-3, 4-2-3-1. how many iranian coaches even know how to play a 4 back flat system?? yet branko is the single dimensioned coach!

hajagha maelli kohan sarapa tactic bud
viera mashalla faghat goft beyne do nime "bacheha harkari mikhayn bokonin"
aghaye talebi be bacheha goftebud "alman ghavitare, ma mibazim, folan bahman"

who is responsible for appointing not one, but two coaches for a GK who still makes the same mistakes he used to make 4-5 years back?
karimi?

yet a top portugueese club is ready to make him an offer!
mirzapour has improved his kicks there is no denial, however he sometimes embarasses himself and thats his weak point just like every other player who has atleast one.
but, the point is a player whos is playing with mirzapour for 4 years not only in the same national team but also club, is his own room mate, inspiting of knowing this weak point of mirzapour still decides to make AN UNECESSARY back pass to him! a player of serie A level, who faces likes of adriano, gilardinho, inzaghi zlatan, trezeguet, etc, week in week out cant clear a loose ball.

It was a series of individual mistakes which cost us that goal and ultimately that game!

who is responsible for injecting self-doubt, fear and insecurity into the team , so when they face even a weak mexican team, they crumble and dont beleive they can win them?
karimi?

thats wat u think, as far as i know and read, no source claims branko scared the shit out of his players. infact, everybody knows branko is a talented psychologist and will help improve the mentality of our players. even during the worldcup, i read interviews saying players were not afraid of their opponents.

just because our players couldnt challenge portugal and mexico in the second half doesnt mean they doubted themselves.

infact, if u wanna know, it was the media who screwed almost every player of ours for various reasons, mirzapour, nosrati, yahya, etc.

however, u still saw these players on top form after the camp and during the worldcup and INFACT, these players were among the top players of our team!
this couldnt be by accident, surely WORK had been put into restoring the confidence into these players to bring them back to their original form!!

who is responsible for runnign away from any semblance of decent opposition in friendlies , so when the players do face big names, they would fold and foil like we did ?
karimi?

as far as i know, we hardly had any decent proposals to run away from.
ukraine and romania ran away from us!

and u posted this argument before on top, and i replied to it.

who is responsible for ..........

no, its not karimi again!

And there are many many more issues that are similar to these.
Issues and mistakes that could have been prevented and avoided had we a better IFF and coaching staff … which, btw, was imminently possible ( despite what immature fans claim. )

never knew me disagreeing with u or u not understanding my view point and some others makes me immature. sorry!

but then again, i wonder why so many matured fans agree with me.
another mystery, maybe its karimi's fault again

Finally, nobody has to take MY words for these.
As I am but a simple fan, with no claims.

However, there are many professional experts and coaches and … who have said the exact thing.
And ARE saying it even today, after this fiasco.

Yes, the same critiques who are hungry, jealous, or belong to some other mafia party in iran. the same critiques whose newspapers spread all the shittiest rumours that noone belives in. Ofcourse, not everything they or u say is wrong, atleast according to me, but to say that all the critiques support wat u say, whether they really do or not doesnt make it really credible specially in iran and u know it urself.

Besides, many of these critiques cant and will not mention the real problems, so they have to resolve to something else.
u thinkany critic will come and say our political status is so devastated that nobody is ready to play us because of our regime??
can they come and say, with every regime comes a new mafia gang. when it was khatami, the head of tarbiyat badani was mehr alizade! when khatimi leaves and ahamdinejad comes, it changes to ali abadi! everybody appoints his own supporters half of them havent even played football in their life!
This is the pathetic situation of our country! not just football, any department! CAN THEY SAY ALL THIS ON TV??

even maelli kohan himself admitted in that program on kanal 3 which hadi was tlaking about in another thread, that we can look at the matter from 2 perspectives, "sathi" va "risheyi". ma sathisho baresi mikonim! then he started!
u know why? because THEY CANT AND WILL NOT TALK ABOUT THE RISHEY MATTERS!

if u wanna take a superficial look at things, ok, branko is incharge of the team, he failed! but will this solve our problem? is our problem really branko? if yes, then we bring another coach like maelli kohan(it seems ur wish has come true, hope ur happy now that branko is gone!), he should get good results shouldnt he?
even, even if get mourinho & hitzfeld combined, even if we win worldcup 2010, u think we will become superpowers? NO WE WONT, COS OUR PROBLEMS ARE DEEP IN THE ROOTS! and for tehse problems to be solved, long term solutions are required, not short ones like hiring a worldclass coach for 2 years and then when he leaves, everything will be fine!

So plz forgive me if I don’t heed , credit , or even respect these little kids who think they can analyze a situation and come up with different theories than ppl whose jobs are this.

the problem is some immature, naive little kids ( mentally, although some , chronologically shd be more than adults ) still try to defend the indefensible, and try to paint a different pictrure of a coach, a staff and an IFF haed who were wrong from the very beginning.

when these children refuse to face reality, then you see more ppl talk about these ppl's failings and mistakes.

if we all accept where we went worng, then this opens up the way for us to , finally, LEARN from our mistakes and failures, AND MAYBE NEXT TIME WE WOULDNT MAKE THEM AGAIN !
but when we adamantly refuse to see the truth ,and out of our insecurity, still defend a failed issue, then that leaves no room for going forward.
hence we still talk about how miserable we were and blame this and that and .... !

so its the numbers or the little "22" under my avatar which ur judging me by huh? shows ur credibility. all this coming from a self-claimed rational realistic high standard fan whom all critics support!

and wat, just becase ur wat? maximum 50, u can analyse the situation?
why? how? using only 2 digits, 0 & 1? or 2 colors, black and white?

i might be only 22 years old, but SOME OF MY ARGUEMNTS IF NOT ALL are supported by people on this forum who might be elder than u and based on ur logic, "can analyse the situation better than u"

i might not have seen the world as much as u are, but i have read enough, followed football either on tv, or on the stands or on the field more than enough to have a decent understanding of this sport. and i have conversations with people, (some might even be "the critiques" who support ur claims) and they do tell me a lot about wats going on in TM because they are always around TM.

its ironical how u try to suggest people accept their mistakes, learnt from their pasts, admitting the truth, yet incidents like ivic being replaced by talebi, islamic revolution in 1978 dont seem to be a chapter in ur book!

face reality it seems, look whose talking!

yes, I DARE say, even with our deficient infrastructure and psychology and inferior stadia and ... we COULD HAVE done far far better at this WC.
we had the talent, potential and time to do it right.
and we wasted it on the wrong ppl.

this WC was to be our big event, our break through.
and we dropped the ball .
.... dropped it at least 2 years ago !
( yet some of us didnt see it, .... some dont like to accept it , even now !! )

agree, we could have done better, but not FAR FAR BETTER like u say!
we could have slightly done better maybe, maybe qualified to second round and then get knocked out, but we were unlucky to be struck with so many long term injuries of all our influential players right before the worldcup! and also not having the right fitness level for the worldcup (the whole kadre fanny is responsible for this).

we didnt drop it 2 years ago if u mean we decided to keep branko, after the bosnia & croatia game, where were u?
that time u never said this, suddenly after the worldcup u come back to ur older claims!

all I can say in the end is, I hope at least, those ppl who wanted to retain branko for the WC, so he would get this into his resume ( and I dare say, had the good of branko as their priority , AND NOT TM & IRAN ) , are happy, satisfied and content, they achieved their goal.

it's better to see some among many, happy , rather than ALL sad .

yea, indeed ur the realistic one here when u "DARE TO SAY" that people like me had branko at a higher priority than TM & Iran!

well, now that my wish was granted and branko stayed for the worldcup,
nobati ham ke bashe nobate shomast agha peyman, hope ur happy with ali abadi appointing maelli kohan as the new head of IFF.
whose gonna be the new coach now? another member of the same mafia gang?

In the end, i just wanna say that, branko wasnt a worldclass coach, nobody claimed he was. but our football, our management, our federation, our infrastructure, our mentality isnt worldclass either! Branko had many problems, yet he beared with them. He served iran a lot, and ofcourse, iran served him equally! he and ciro caused a revolution in iranian football mainly by inviting players who wore some jersey other than the blue or the red color. they believed in mixing the youth's energy with the elderly's experience. they invited young players from all over the country, even first division azadegan!
they introduced a modern 4 back system, had the guts to play a 16 year old rirght winger as a fix RB for TM (kaabi), they were able to bring back hashemian from exile and zandi from germany, they were able to single handedly support and restore self confidence into our TM players when the whole media and fans looked at them like coakroaches who should be destroyed, they were able to take iran to a new era in football. they helped our football a lot, and they deserve a lot of respect and gratitute from that.

They however had their flaws, their short comings and they made mistakes. noone here tries to take away the responsiblities these coaches had in our performances specially the bad ones (in many of the good ones , the coaches role was ignored!)

but when u look at our other options for branko, i personally think it was a wise decision to stick with branko. If i ever supported him,first it was because i think it wasnt fair of people to blame everything on him without taking into consideration other circumstances which affect our football. Second because i think he was the best we could have at the moment, and just because he was the best we could have doesnt mean he is a world class coach or something. he was a decent coach with some experience at the worldcup level, a very well mannered, diplomatic, knowledgeable(football wise) coach who was respected by everyone and in every article which sited him. Had we any offers from the likes of hiddink, hitzfeld or mourinho, i too, ba cheshmhaye baste would have picked them and would not even think of branko ever again. im neither his family member, nor will i get any benefits from supporting him in any wayz, i just had a view point which i think was right and which many people agreed to. if i was a lajbaaz yedande,or biased towards anyone or anything except TM, i would never ever agree that branko made a mistake in certain decisions in these 4 years and i would never say my favorite teams players like talebloo, enayati and sadeghi deserved to be on the bench and not the starting 11!
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Doctor jan, i wanna say that, i have a very strong feeling a lot of ur arguments was towards me (because of certain words and phrases u used) and thats why i responded. i know this message wasnt for me but since its a public forum and everyone can read ur arguemnts, i think its fair that they can read my arguments as well.

In case this post wasnt for me, kindly please ignore it. i appologize in advance!

[smanhoobi]

wow, thats some reading for the next 2 days.

But before I do that, I want to second Ali jaan's post. We need to tone this down. Like this, we can never progress.

Thanks and I will read them and enjoy the "discussion" part of it very much.

[zzgloo]

my two cents..............
Right or wrong, Branko had evaluated iranian football ,as unproffesional ...so much so, not enough for WC......he may even,have been so insecure himself,that he needed all the help he can get !!!
Mirzapour's antiques,although leathal and "Khaneman barandaz " yet, his experince was evaluated as more essential....
Ali daei's physical handicap,although recagnized,not enough to worth the risk of inexperince !
playing all legiouners, regardless of true comparison value, was prefered to inexperinced.!
the game plans,offensive look, with no confidence.!!!,some very little belief in players talents.
Over critisisem ,and constant bombardment of distrust, may also had exasibated the ,notion, he needed help from only those he could count on.
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Lack of proffesionalism, nevertheless, was what we lacked........from lack of it in preparedness,physicaly and mentaly....to inplementing the coach's XXs, and OOs !!!......to looseing the focus in mexico game.....
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regardless of what realy Branko was, The inefficiencies were quite evident.
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Branko is gone.......my maner and ethics tell me I should thank him anyway.
I think, we misjudged keeping him, after asian games,yet, last minute change was not correct.
I also thik, we mistreated him, and he should have been supported more.

[Dr.shark]

my two cents..............
Right or wrong, Branko had evaluated iranian football ,as unproffesional ...so much so, not enough for WC......he may even,have been so insecure himself,that he needed all the help he can get !!!
Mirzapour's antiques,although leathal and "Khaneman barandaz " yet, his experince was evaluated as more essential....
Ali daei's physical handicap,although recagnized,not enough to worth the risk of inexperince !
playing all legiouners, regardless of true comparison value, was prefered to inexperinced.!
the game plans,offensive look, with no confidence.!!!,some very little belief in players talents.
Over critisisem ,and constant bombardment of distrust, may also had exasibated the ,notion, he needed help from only those he could count on.
.................................................. ................................
Lack of proffesionalism, nevertheless, was what we lacked........from lack of it in preparedness,physicaly and mentaly....to inplementing the coach's XXs, and OOs !!!......to looseing the focus in mexico game.....
.................................................. ................................
regardless of what realy Branko was, The inefficiencies were quite evident.
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Branko is gone.......my maner and ethics tell me I should thank him anyway.
I think, we misjudged keeping him, after asian games,yet, last minute change was not correct.
I also thik, we mistreated him, and he should have been supported more.

zzgloo jaan
Now I canthank you talking as a fan of TM and Iran not just a fan of fu*king Branko.
I can understand you as us Irane people are the type of people that show kindness to every one even those that have been bad to us but at some point we must stop being so nice to people. Fu*king branko came to Iran to work for us. his job was to win all the cups that we enter for. his job was also to mke our team better then it was. his job was also answer our questions and help our players find them selfs.
as far as winnig cups well at 1st he did a wonderfull job but as time went on he be came worse.
as far as makingour team better he did not he helped bring some players back to the team but at the same time he made some turn away from the team to the point that at the biggest game of TM players wanted to fight each other and in some games they did fight each other.
as far as answering our questions well he keeped on diffending his players the ones that he picked and would say the did nothing wrong He aso had hid hs friend Dadkan e Haramzade call all of us that would question him khaeens.
as far as helping our players find them selfs we saw how he put down players that had done so good at club levels players like mobalee and javad nekonam to the point that they just could not play like they once did before even it got to the point that players started fighting again and so on mobalee vs daie. we saw how he subed navidkia in for 2 min and right away subing him out playing with his head making him feel like he not good enough for TM. and his best one was to call up all our europian stars when he knew that they were all injured and not in shape for a hard game againsts fast teams like mexico,portugal, angola all 3 are fast teams and when he lost he would say it is the players that are not good enough making it sound like we are below those teams.
I remmber a time when people on this site used to say at the end of their post that on the 6th day GOD made karimi and so on just because they loved to see how he put his moves on 2,3,4,5, even all of team germany and no one could take the ball off him. now you have Fu*king branko saying he is below the angolian players .
so you may be a kind man zzgloo to Fu*king branko but I just can not be so kind to thank a mouse that has put down Iran and TM and has caused so much harm to Iran and TM. may Fu*king branko burn in hell.

[smanhoobi]

but at some point we must stop being so nice to people.

Dr.shark:

Nobody is asking anyone to be nice to people you do not approve of. Dont say you hate them. Dont say you love them either. But you can be reasonable with them for the sake of the progress of your country.

http://www.persianfootball.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30742

[Doctor DOOM]

mage mizarin adam bereh peye karesh !!!!!!!



1- first of all, I am angry and frustrated , as my posts show.
this anger is becoz I see 4 years of hard work and build up of dreams and ... by our people and players, smoked due to incompetence and mismanagement of very few ppl.

I am angry becoz on repeated occasions, we could have changed the course, and maybe salvage something out of this mess .... yet, we didnt.
we persisted with our laj baazi ( mainly dadkan ) and slowly turned the priorities from TM and Iran , to personal defense and one's insecurity in admitting to bad decisions !

I am angry becoz I saw we were given such a golden opportunity ( easy qualification, plenty of time to get things right, easy group, seeded team in the group playing crappy football, another easy team in the group ..... ) and we threw it away so easily, becoz of a handful of ppl's laj baazi, insecurity and moronic attitude !
and god only knows when we can get such a chance again.

aussies are in asia now.
with some horrible asian records in this WC, we may yet get our allotments restricted .
can anyone guarantee we'll qualify for the next WC ?
can they guarantee we'll get such an easy grouping?
and get a seeded team playing so crappy ?


I am basically angry becoz for months we said we are not going to be at our maximum best and 100% , with branko's pathetic managment.
and yet ppl never opened their eyes !


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2- the remarks on "numbers" is for those ppl who time and again, when asked and confronted with questions of quality and performances of the team, ignored these warning signs and stuk to a bunch of numbers that really didnt mean jack.
numbers such as the hollow record of this moron, while ignoring the fact that almost 90% of this record is obtained against very weak and crappy teams like laos, guam, panama, lybia, n korea, ..., and some others, rather lucky wins or draws....... while throughout these 4 years ( especially the last 2 ) we have witnessed the decline in the quality of the team.
the lack of tactics, and system and ... which shd have been far better , given the fact that this filth was here for 4-5 years to get things right.

the same numbers that some sheep used to counter any sensible arguement , and refute any logic.
the same hollow record that some sheep used to negate all the warning signs and alarm bells.
so why shdnt these sheep be reminded of their folly ?

( so if some fan wants to defend those sheep, go ahead. but that doesnt mean this is pointed at everybody )


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3- the remarks on karimi being held responsible, is for those laj baaz fools, who again, want to distract ppl's attention, and are trying so foolishly to find an scapegoat for branko's utter incompetence and moronic obstinacy.

so they suddenly hold ONE player as the culprit.

whether it is karimi or daei or mirza ... it doesnt matter.
these are mere players.
and as I pointed out in my previous post, they are NOT responsible for some major decisions that went against our benefit.
decisions that had we a different coaching staff, or if the present one was not laj baaz and selfish, would have resulted in far far better turn out for our TM.

( once again, if one is compelled to defend these fools. be my guest )


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4- I am also extremely disappointed at some of us for how we try to belittle our most talented TM players, ever …. So that branko can come out bereft of any fault !!

How we advertise and spread self-doubt and inferiority complex, just to cover our own skewed decisions.

How we not only settle for, but some even FORCE mediocrity and stagnation down everyone’s throats, … instead of a desire to OUT-do and OUT-perform and OVER-achieve our expectations.
How we block and counter ambition and the drive for betterment and progress, by saying crap like “ ma haminim ke didid” ! or other garbage like “ we shdnt expect anything beyond this. We are this and that …. !!!”

Utter trash.

With this kind of inferiority complex, no-one can become better or progress.
Becoz they have provided all the criteria for stagnation.
Becoz they don’t dare or have the drive to step beyond their limits.
Becoz they set such low limits and are content to stay within them, … secure and safe! Whether it is due to one’s lazy nature, which we Iranians are very famous for … or if it is a defeatism or a “too sari khor” mentality … I don’t know.

But I am angry to hear & read such things.

cameroon, senegal, korea, trukey, nigeria, .... none of these teams and ppl had such attitude, when they STEPPED BEYOND THEIR BOUNDS and did what was NOT expected from them : defeat teams far stronger and more established from them.

THIS is what we shd aim for.
not sit in one place and adopt a defeated and "small" mentality by conforming to our limits ( set by our own foolish officials and incompetent coaches ).

"lets face it. we're not better than this" ?
who said so?
utter trash !
we CAN be better ... far better than this.
we could have been , even with minor adjustments with this present team and opportunity ... even inspite of all our lacks in infrastructure and corruption and ... !
yes.

we must adopt a daring philosophy.
we must have guts to progressively set higher aims for ourselves.

we shd not settle for mediocrity and "small" things like the present moron coach and his defunct system and the most inferior and useless coaching staff.


( rah-e doori narim. these ppl can learn from the angolans, who stepped beyond their limits and "numbers" by drawing against the world's 4th ranked team and barely losing to the highly talented portuguese.
and almost defeated world's ranked 21st or 22nd team !
a team that had only a handful of players, playing portuguese second and third divisions - as compared to our bundeliga and serie A !!!!

you know why?
becoz they didnt have such inferiority complex and "khod koochak beeni" like we force ourselves to have.

"be realistic" ?
humbug!
you explain the above.
)

[smanhoobi]

I read the whole discussion in this thread. Enough is enough. Time to reveal a few things.

First to Doktor jaan:

Doki jaan. Your problem is that you are not Branko Ivankovic ( which I think you thank god that you are not)

But more importantly, you even fail to be in Branko Ivankovic's position to feel why some decisions were made the way it was made.

Doktor jaan. Many people think like you and say like you. Once they get the job, they fail miserably. Because when it comes to implement all the goods that you talk about TeamMelli, they will realise that despite their sincere desire, its simply impossible to do.

Dadkan and Co took the responsibility of a rather hopeless task. As I said before, I dont know Dadkan personally. But I know a few in the team of Dadkan. They were all fed up boys of the past. They all love football and love their country. They have done many sacrifices in their personal life for their love and passion for their country.

Yet, many of them stayed away from football for a long time. They were all involved with the system and they knew that it was almost impossible to rescue anything out of this.

One day, few years ago, this changed. What changed it was exactly what drives me and you and yashar and a few others to consistently be in these forums and despite knowing that there is not much that we can do considring the system, we still post and post and post. In doing that, we sacrifice too. From our families, from our work, from happy hours and watching a movie and having a 30 minutes conversation with friends. One day, a few years ago, they did JUST that despite everything.

When they did that, they said, we will fight. We will fight as much as possible. They set the goal for getting into World Cup. They set the goal for world cup and to change something in between which would benefit our football. All this with KNOWN limitations.

So, they fought. To do that, they could not trust many. They would have to keep the environment limitted. They had to fight to become an independant organization. With a limitted budget and very limitted support, and despite a few internal disagreements on how this should be done, they finally got it started.

First thing they did was to give a little shape to the officiating situation in IPL. Before that, there were many corruptions in that department and getting it into a functional department was one hell of a job. I know if one asks the today teams in IPL, they still have issues. But, teams are not the referral point as all complain and thats part of our culture in not accepting our own insufficiencies to accept as a reason for defeat. But, everyone should agree on the fact that referreing issue changed quite a bit towards good.

Then it was plans and programmings. They fought so hard to keep it programmed despite all interferences and limitations of pitches, unprofessionality of the teams and so on and so forth. The issue of Rah Ahan and sanat naft came up. That threatened all the programs to be disrupted yet again. They tried to keep that based on the rules and regulations. they tried so hard not to let anyone organization other than Football Federation and possibly the organizing body to affect that. That was done to maintain Football Federation as the organization who deals with such matters. This was a necessary measure for their success. Otherwise, infiltrations was waiting from left and right.

Everyone knows the dispute between tarbeeyat Badani and IFF on the issue of hazfi cup. IFF had a plan to finish this league in proper time even if it meant to use an "allowed" alternative of having only one game. It was aimed to have things in order as an example for the future. A measure that would tell everyone that things should go according to plans and it does not matter who is involved. Always, some sacrifices is necessary to have things going in a better, organized manner.

Another issue that they implemented was disciplinary rules and regulations in IFF. Declarations were made, every single point was discussed and managed. Before their era, it was a complete "Khar too Khar". Even if there was rules there, they were never cared for based on corruption and connections. Everyone who follows Iranian football closely knows that for every 5 minutes(not sure about the exact time) of delay in entering the pitch, teams got punished accross the board. Every 4 yellow cards and more meant punishment in every single game and for every single team. These were all attempts to have discipline in teams. Was to get them to stick by rules and espect them. It was to increase the level of football and not wrestling on the pitch. There were more disciplinary measures which is a whole subject by itself.

Now there were two experiences we had in the past which set the stage for two things from two sides.

First, there was a strong urge from the government in the past to have a domestic coach represent Iran in the world cup. This was a KNOWN fact by both IFF and Branko Ivankovic. Dadkan himself was very skeptical about this and having a foreign coach at the time. I cant tell you guys what exactly was in his mind cause I dont have convincing info on this. Branko Ivankovic was aware of this too. It was going to be an unknown for Branko and it was not known by IFF of whether they can handle this.

However, when fans and general public pushed on this issue, things got a little easier. But Branko, rightfully so, wanted some sort of gaurentee that such a thing would not happen. Once again I can not exactly tell you what were the terms of contract and how this issue was dealth with. But one thing I can tell you is that once Dadkan agreed on Branko, there was a mutual agreement that support will continue and fight will be on in protecting the rights. Also financial issues was another thing. the amount was not the problem. We had a bad record in fullfilling our committments. That was an issue.

The other issue based on experience was the issue of TRUST. Again, due to past experiences, there was a need to limit the number of people involved and try to use players or staff who would be trust-worthy. Everyone who has a little information about our past should know that we had a lot of issues with this.

Whoever you saw around Branko were people he trusted as much as possible. He used all the trust-worthy resources he had around him to get through this the best way he could. No, two assistants as goal keeper trainers were not necessary. But two staff that is trust-worthy was better than 10 who are not.

Human Afazeli had worked with Branko in the past. He was doing a descent job, but even more importantly, he trusted him. Faraki and Shahrokhi were dedicated people. Shahrokhi was a friend of Dadkan and Co and was safe. Faraki was alongside Branko in the past and he was a descent guy. So, the staff he got were all ok and with limitations he had, he ws fine. However, players were an issue. You needed to have work with so many, you could not afford to loose the good ones and you had to also satisfy demands a bit. Ironically, what haunted him in the end, apart from a few unfortunate injuries right before the world cup, were some of the players.

Two other factors disrupted the atmosphere too. One was the media that were lobbied by the opposition and has largely diverted the attentions using some close games as the reason and attacking point, and the other was the fact that this tension should have overcome before the world cup.

Enayati was not the player Branko wanted for many reasons. Due to all those pressures, Dadkan asked Branko to include Enayati in the team to ease the pressure. Now, issues happened here that relates to Human Afazeli that i dont wanna discuss. If he wants, he can break his silence on this. I only say that, I did not approve of Human's decision on this one. Never discussed it with him, but I respect his side of story.

IFF and Dadkan in particular, fought quite a bit for all the friendlies we played too. Despita all the difficulties ( remember LG Cup?), they tried to fullfill as much as they could. The rest, was not possible.

Now in this regard, as soon as we have Mayeli Kohan up there, be assured. We will have some good friendlies with Palestine.

Nikbakht issue is the last thing I wanna say. Nikbakht has been injured for quite some time. I dont know how long he is hiding it, but one thing is sure. He never seek attention for it. His injury became apparent with medical tests done on him.

Players like Khatibi came to TeamMelli cause there were no other options. Otherwise, a player with Khatibi's culture should not be included in any team who has a bit of culture. Forget about his technical inabilities. I urge you to read our forum regarding a persons experience in the Teammelli camp quoted from IK.

Now, I disclosed the above. I did not even do this yet in our own site. The low level of knowledge we have involving Iran's internal issues has made me to be very sad reading some comments. Criticisms are all fine. Despite all this, Iran failed in getting some results in World Cup. The frustration of fans are understandable. And any change is also understandable. But to read the level of dis-respect I read its just heart-breaking.

You guys sit behind your computer keyboards and dream of glories that is impossible to achieve with what we have. When we should be appreciating all these fight and dedication to get some result that Iran deserves at its minimum, we are cussing and swearing at people who made it come true. Even the minimum.

Damage is done and is not replacable. My aim is NOT to have the sympathy from anyone. That is an impossible goal. We are not culturally and socially tuned for that. If you guys have a little descency, you would at least avoid cussing on these people.

None of you are in a position to manage Teammelli the way you describe it. Its just Bla Bla Bla. Zameen o zaman o roo saretoon kharab meekonan. You either have to be a puppet, or you need to work your arses off and then get cussed at by fans who have no knowledge of the truth.

And Yashar jaan:

Magnificant writings in this thread and everywhere else i saw you write. I must say, I cant imagine you are only 22 and have such extensive knowledge of social and cultural matters besides your football knowledge.

As a older brother though Yashar jaan. You are in a right track. But I warn you, if you are not strong, they will all backlash on you. Being in the position that you are on issues, you gonna have a very hard time. Cause, you are fighting "egos". And doing that needs a lot of patience and passion. I hope you maintain both for the rest of your life.

[yashar_fasihnia]

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And Yashar jaan:
Magnificant writings in this thread and everywhere else i saw you write. I must say, I cant imagine you are only 22 and have such extensive knowledge of social and cultural matters besides your football knowledge.
As a older brother though Yashar jaan. You are in a right track. But I warn you, if you are not strong, they will all backlash on you. Being in the position that you are on issues, you gonna have a very hard time. Cause, you are fighting "egos". And doing that needs a lot of patience and passion. I hope you maintain both for the rest of your life.

merci dadashi