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[Iranian-Fan]

This will be the case if a group has more teams than other groups. With this edition, all groups have 5 teams competing, therefore all matches and goals count.

Ahh didn't know that, thank you!

[alitor82]

As far as I know the points against the last team will not be included at the end of the qualification (if we finish second). In this case, it would be also the goals against Cambodia which would not be counted. Currently Iran only managed to score 3 goals and also received 3. Maybe some user know the exactly rules about this scenario?

This will be the case if a group has more teams than other groups. With this edition, all groups have 5 teams competing, therefore all matches and goals count.

[Iranian-Fan]

As far as I know the points against the last team will not be included at the end of the qualification (if we finish second). In this case, it would be also the goals against Cambodia which would not be counted. Currently Iran only managed to score 3 goals and also received 3. Maybe some user know the exactly rules about this scenario?

[OSTAD POOYA]

What you didn't take into account is that if South Korea and Saudi win their next game, they will be first in the group. The second placed teams in their group (Uzbekistan +6 GD and Turkmenistan +3 GD) will be on 9 points. Meaning that if Iran win their next game, they will be on 9 points with superior goal difference. Therefore, worst case scenario after matchday 5 is that Iran will be the 3rd ranked team from the runners up table. Still a pretty good chance, but not the most confident way to make it to the next round

Great point. That does increase the ray of light shinning upon us! Hopefully in a free Iran in the near future.

[Hadi]

imagine this mess of a team in the second round lol.

our current football team is the worst i have ever remembered.

Second worst would be Ghalehnoyi's TM for the Asian Cup and third worst being Ghotbi's team before CQ came in

[teammelli91]

Already with the agar o ama? Lol Jesus Mohammad you guys.

Yes the situation is not looking good. But it’s not like we are 2010 WCQ’ing state either. Keep positive and optimistic. If the federation doesn’t do their best the people will voice their opinions. And right now with what’s happening regarding gas prices and riots, everyone is under fire.

I wish the best for Team Melli. I think we will find our way into the final round.

[alitor82]

I know many know this but I know many don't that its only 4 out of the 8 best second placed teams that qualify to the next round of the qualifications. As it stands today things are not looking good for Iran as most groups are very tight and actually 2nd and 3rd placed teams have higher points than Iran. The only way we will top the group is we MUST win all 4 remaining matches. Anything besides that is a coin toss. This is how the 2nd ranked teams look as of today.
Ranking of runner-up teams
1. Oman 5 games 12 points
2. Kuwait 5 games 10 points
3. Malaysia 5 games 9 points
4. Bahrain 5 games 9 points
5. S. Korea 4 games 8 points
6. Saudi 4 games 8 points
7. China 4 games 7 points
8. kyrgystan 5 games 7 points
As you see 3 of the main teams that are ranked 5,6,7 have more points than us and 1 game at hand just like Iran. The only positive I can think of is that Since Qatar is the host and most likely will finish 1st or even at 2nd a fifth number 2 team will get to go through. The groups will be super tight going to the last day. Honestly anything besides winning all remaining matches if not looking good for us. Even 1 loss and we are doomed as teams will pass us.
If you go look at even 3rd placed teams now there are some such as Jordan and a few others that have more points than Iran.
At the end of the day things are not looking good!

What you didn't take into account is that if South Korea and Saudi win their next game, they will be first in the group. The second placed teams in their group (Uzbekistan +6 GD and Turkmenistan +3 GD) will be on 9 points. Meaning that if Iran win their next game, they will be on 9 points with superior goal difference. Therefore, worst case scenario after matchday 5 is that Iran will be the 3rd ranked team from the runners up table. Still a pretty good chance, but not the most confident way to make it to the next round

[rdwrrr]

2nd place predictions

Group "A" China; 17 points ADVANCE
Group "B" Kuwait; 16 points ADVANCE
Group "C" Iran; 16 points ADVANCE
Group "D" Uzbekistan; 15 points ADVANCE
Group "E" Oman ; 18 points ADVANCE
Group "F" Tajikistan; 13 points
Group "G" Vietnam; 15 points
Group "H" North Korea ; 14 points

[rdwrrr]

I don't think we can win the group.
I doesn't matter who wins, all we have to do is win all remaining games. We will qualify as second place team.
If we can not win the remaining games, it is best that we don't qualify for the next round.


period.



In reality all games tomorrow have an effect on our final standing. We should really know which groups won't qualify their second place teams.

Look at group F Kyrgyzstan is playing Tajikistan a tie will probably eliminate both
Group "G" Big game Thailand Vs. Vietnam, UAE is struggling just like us.
Group "H" Lebanon vs North Korea , similarly a tie should eliminate both very possible

How about these comments

I think second place in Group "F" and "H" should be eliminated.

[perspolis#1]

ok good. i am sure qatar and oman will both qualify as first and second team to the next stage, and with high points, so that 5 second place teams will advance, but one will oman if they become second.
the best scenario is that qatar finishes as one of the best second teams, so that 5 out of 7 second placed teams will advance to the next stage. if oman becomes second, they will take one 2nd place, so that 4 out of 7 second placed teams will advance.

Saeed jan I want to make sure you understand this because it can be quite confusing the way AFC is.
If Qatar qualifies..... meaning that they get 1st place OR the top 4 2nd place positions.... that means 3 2nd placed teams will not qualify to the next round.
Right now it looks like we have good odds to finish ahead of the 2nd placed teams in Groups F, G, H since they seem to be giving points away to each other a lot. Our goal difference should help us immensely if it comes down to it. The key is to beat Hong Kong, Cambodia, and Bahrain.
I watched the highlights and Bahrain didn't produce much offensively at all.

[Golefarsi]

If Wilmots gets his salary will he work harder for TM? Will we get better results? From the games i seen i Think this team is done.. Dont want to be pessimistic but the problem is not just the coach, seams the whole staff is Clueless. Hashemian should atleast be able to get the players togheter and do some tactical training etc. What i seen so far from the last two games is that there is no motivation.

Even IF we get to secound round, what will we do there? Oppositions are stronger in the secound round and it will be even harder to get wins.

To compare Japans and SK losses in the previous WCQ to Iran is not right. They are JAPAN and SK. Two top countries not just in Asia but also in the World. Their federation dont have the same problems ours have.

No no, i have seen enough of this mess. Clown coach and clown federation. I have no hope we will get anywhere under these condition.

You want results you need to work hard and earn it. To Count Points here and there and hope for some wins just cuz we are IRAN dont mean shit.

If there is some chance left then the federation needs to start paying this clown coach and ask him to do his job. At the same time set up some friendly games Before our next important game and test this clown coach new "motivation" that he gets after he gets his Money. If we still play like shit then he needs to get fired Before our important games in March. Thats the only option i see. Another option is they get rid of him right now and hire some Vatani coach, i am sure a Iranian coach can get atleast same results.

[saeed_noro]

ok good. i am sure qatar and oman will both qualify as first and second team to the next stage, and with high points, so that 5 second place teams will advance, but one will oman if they become second.

the best scenario is that qatar finishes as one of the best second teams, so that 5 out of 7 second placed teams will advance to the next stage. if oman becomes second, they will take one 2nd place, so that 4 out of 7 second placed teams will advance.

[Hosseini]

Who knows if we could even beat Hong Kong at home with Wilmots in charge. I could see them holding us to a draw seeing how we played against Iraq

[perspolis#1]

with the situation in qatar oman group beeing clear, that these two teams will finish first and second, clearly more points compred to the rest of the teams, there will be definetely 5 second teams qualify for the next round. i am not fully sure, but i remeber that if qatar finishes first, there will be 5 second teams, but not sure if this will also be the case of they become second.

If Qatar ends up first or in the top 4 2nd placed teams, the 5th best 2nd place team will go forward.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_FIFA_World_Cup_qualification_(AFC)#Ranking_of_runner-up_teams

The eight group winners and four best runners-up will advance to the AFC Asian Cup China 2023 Finals and the final round of qualifying for the FIFA World Cup Qatar 2022.

"However, should Qatar win their group, the seven other group winners and five best second-placed sides will advance to the final round of qualifying for the 2022 FIFA World Cup.

The same applies should Qatar finish as one of the four best second-placed teams, with the fifth best group runners-up advancing to the third round of the Qualifiers.

[perspolis#1]

Guys do we really deserve to go to the World Cup with loosing against Iraq and Bahrain?

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I am thinking among the same lines as you but then I remember how Japan lost to Saudi and barely lost to Belgium in R16...and SK lost to us and Qatar but still managed to beat Germany 2-0. There is a lot of time between the two occurrences.

This doesn't mean I believe that Wilmots can take us to that level. I firmly believe he can't.