Sardar azmoun should be dropped from TM

[Dubxl152]

The problem of Iranian football is this non stop "who will put instead, we have nobody".

That's because of that we have so many dinausaurs extending their stay both at TM and IPL where status are so important. At the same time the youngsters have no opportunity to play and get blacklist at the first mistakes. That's why we don't have short term alternatives

Our football lacks dynamism and we should get a huge turnover to raise the level and kick the ass of lazy or unperforming ones.

While I agree alipour and moghanloo aren't TM material, and shouldn't be near TM, I rather trust youngster like Taheri Aghaeipour Saharkhizan, even Zahedi or dual national like the us kids playing in Belgium. The like of Azmoun and ezza are more talented but if they are lazy/unmotivated/unfit it is better to trust other hungry alternatives

What is the root cause of the problem you mentioned?

It's the same issue we have had for the last 40 years.

There is no grass roots football development in Iran. The league does not play youth and players as youth do not learn fundamentals. The national team isn't where you learn to play football.

We have historically relied on individual talent and we continue to do so. We bring talentless dinosaurs to TM and complain when they can't string two passes together. We then bring youth into TM and freak out when we lose.

So until there is someone who can replace Sardar we are stuck with him.

The only reason we have the squad we have is because CQ brought in youth, developed them in the national team, and pushed them to go to Europe. GN isnt going to do that and frankly it's not his job to develop a youth for TM.

Finally the only reason I'm making this argument is im being realistic. I don't have a shit about Sardar and have zero respect for his bache nane attitude. But I know what he brings to the table...most of you guys have been around for a long time and I ask you to recall the enyati, khatibi, rajabzadeh, kazemian at forward years and how screwed we were at the position untill Gucci joined us and bailed us out.






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[a_m]

It is what it is he has shown that he doesn’t wanna train hard. He doesn’t want to be held accountable and he doesn’t want to be in an environment where he has to push himself beyond his means.

I mean, obviously they’re going to make him train his ass because they’re paying a lot of money for him to come over to UAE so it’s not gonna be a cakewalk either where he can just be lazy get fat do nothing if he’s not performing if he’s not scoring if they’re not winning his ass will be on the bench there too so it’s not like easy Peezy


but this does warrant that we start looking for other options and actually start testing other options instead of him and giving them chances in real games and friendly and stop playing him 90 minutes or whatever because his level is gonna drop a lot from what we are used to seeing him play at

[Pluto2000]

These guys haven't prove shit yet!
I am pissed at Azmoun like everyone else but until someone prove it on damn field who can take his place he will start next to Taremi


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Its a catch 22, they can't prove anything because we won't play them. Its crazy we have youth dual nationals playing in Belgium and Italy at 19 and 22 and instead of pushing for the opportunity we still arguing about this guy and his tokhmi attitude. Like I said its either now or in 2027 when both him and Mehdi retire together anyways

[Iran_19]

I won't deny that Azmoun WAS good from 2016-2021. He was so good that I thought he was gonna be a breakout player on the international scene for us. But we gotta stop acting like he's the same damn player. He's like 20 lbs overweight, can't play more than 40 minutes, and nearing his early 30s where all these problems will be compounded times ten. He's not some god player that can't be replaced. Seriously this has got to stop. He did a few chos offside runs against Japan and everyone praises him nonstop when he has been legitimately absent for TM in the past 2 years. Any coach worth a damn would try these players:

1. Stuckler (43 G/A last season in Italian youth system and now playing as Cremonese first choice striker this upcoming season)
2. Aghaeipour
3. Saharkhizan
4. Zahirloleslam

These guys haven't proved shit yet!
I am pissed at Azmoun like everyone else but until someone prove it on damn field who can take his place he will start next to Taremi


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[Pluto2000]

two of the players on this list don't even have iranian passports yet

Aghaeipour and Sharkizan have had one good ipl season each

Azmoun with one leg beats this list - sorry

Knowing Azmoun I doubt either of his leg will work in 1-2 seasons

Btw they both have passports and have been to Iran before if you're talking about dual nationals.

And I also understand what you're saying about Azmoun and I wholeheartedly agree. He's too good to not play but his time is running out and fast. This is why we gotta build chemistry with other players on the front. It's either now we can use Taremi + a youngster or wait till 2027 and completely crash when we have no one to replace either Taremi or Azmoun with.

[PSGman#19]

Even though I'm disappointed in this bache nane there isn't any other Iranian forward you can replace him with today. Who you gonna plug in Alipour? Moghanlou? Taheri?

Its the same as the ezzatolahi situation. are we disappointed sure, is there a better solution? Nope.

The problem of Iranian football is this non stop "who will put instead, we have nobody".

That's because of that we have so many dinausaurs extending their stay both at TM and IPL where status are so important. At the same time the youngsters have no opportunity to play and get blacklist at the first mistakes. That's why we don't have short term alternatives

Our football lacks dynamism and we should get a huge turnover to raise the level and kick the ass of lazy or unperforming ones.

While I agree alipour and moghanloo aren't TM material, and shouldn't be near TM, I rather trust youngster like Taheri Aghaeipour Saharkhizan, even Zahedi or dual national like the us kids playing in Belgium. The like of Azmoun and ezza are more talented but if they are lazy/unmotivated/unfit it is better to trust other hungry alternatives

[Super Shojaei]

I won't deny that Azmoun WAS good from 2016-2021. He was so good that I thought he was gonna be a breakout player on the international scene for us. But we gotta stop acting like he's the same damn player. He's like 20 lbs overweight, can't play more than 40 minutes, and nearing his early 30s where all these problems will be compounded times ten. He's not some god player that can't be replaced. Seriously this has got to stop. He did a few chos offside runs against Japan and everyone praises him nonstop when he has been legitimately absent for TM in the past 2 years. Any coach worth a damn would try these players:

1. Stuckler (43 G/A last season in Italian youth system and now playing as Cremonese first choice striker this upcoming season)
2. Aghaeipour
3. Saharkhizan
4. Zahirloleslam

two of the players on this list don't even have iranian passports yet

Aghaeipour and Sharkizan have had one good ipl season each

Azmoun with one leg beats this list - sorry

[Pluto2000]

Even though I'm disappointed in this bache nane there isn't any other Iranian forward you can replace him with today. Who you gonna plug in Alipour? Moghanlou? Taheri?

Its the same as the ezzatolahi situation. are we disappointed sure, is there a better solution? Nope.

I won't deny that Azmoun WAS good from 2016-2021. He was so good that I thought he was gonna be a breakout player on the international scene for us. But we gotta stop acting like he's the same damn player. He's like 20 lbs overweight, can't play more than 40 minutes, and nearing his early 30s where all these problems will be compounded times ten. He's not some god player that can't be replaced. Seriously this has got to stop. He did a few chos offside runs against Japan and everyone praises him nonstop when he has been legitimately absent for TM in the past 2 years. Any coach worth a damn would try these players:

1. Stuckler (43 G/A last season in Italian youth system and now playing as Cremonese first choice striker this upcoming season)
2. Aghaeipour
3. Saharkhizan
4. Zahirloleslam

[Dubxl152]

Even though I'm disappointed in this bache nane there isn't any other Iranian forward you can replace him with today. Who you gonna plug in Alipour? Moghanlou? Taheri?

Its the same as the ezzatolahi situation. are we disappointed sure, is there a better solution? Nope.

[PSGman#19]

Why should he be dropped

2018 he was isolated upfront against Portugal and Spain there wasn’t much he could do- what could he have done more in those tournaments in he had 0 service

2022 he was basically injured - still put in a great performance against Wales

he scored numerous important goals in 2018 against Uzbekistan and South Korea also numerous Asian cup goals and crucial assists

asian cup he had a crucial assist against Japan and scored a great goal against Qatar arguably he had a better tournement than most Asian strikers

I still don’t know where people think his replacement is coming from . Ipl’s top scorer just moved to UAE too and he struggled heavily against Hong Kong

he’s still our best forward - we are no where close to finding someone to replace him with

Yeah he is always injured, not reliable player and it will be worse in uae when he will gain weight and do nothing like ezza. Btw I don't even know what the latter is doing at uae lately. Does he play football or is he between growing his belly to GN level, being injured and punching opponent?

The crucial goals were scored when he played with top euro professional teams, not doing ferrari races with ghaedi. The guy won't last 30min on the pitch in 6 months lol, we will just eliminate Sepahan from ACL before his career definitive death.

[Super Shojaei]

Excellent thread and well in advance before that BS move to UAE.

Yeah that's his life, yeah he can choose money maybe he is scared by his non stop injuries.. but in this case I hope he will be coherent with his choice and retire from TM like in 2018.

0 goal in two WC for the Iranian messi btw

Why should he be dropped

2018 he was isolated upfront against Portugal and Spain there wasn’t much he could do- what could he have done more in those tournaments in he had 0 service

2022 he was basically injured - still put in a great performance against Wales

he scored numerous important goals in 2018 against Uzbekistan and South Korea also numerous Asian cup goals and crucial assists

asian cup he had a crucial assist against Japan and scored a great goal against Qatar arguably he had a better tournement than most Asian strikers

I still don’t know where people think his replacement is coming from . Ipl’s top scorer just moved to UAE too and he struggled heavily against Hong Kong

he’s still our best forward - we are no where close to finding someone to replace him with

[PSGman#19]

Excellent thread and well in advance before that BS move to UAE.

Yeah that's his life, yeah he can choose money maybe he is scared by his non stop injuries.. but in this case I hope he will be coherent with his choice and retire from TM like in 2018.

0 goal in two WC for the Iranian messi btw

[BacheLot]

Ali karimi was way worst than sardar btw.
He got in best shape of his life at 40 years after retiring...
sardar will be OK at tm and he will be in playing shape...vis vis is sardar is coming back to iran to train with ss while his faith gets determine.

fo realz.. who's visvisin such
that sounds way too improbable..!!?? bayer is clearly in a pissin contest with him wont be cuttin him any such slacks..?

[oracle]

The only thing I am saying is he doesn’t deserve to be on the tm until he get in shape and actually starts playing meaningful minutes at whatever club he is at …..

You r not wrong for demanding this from tm.
Only team melli headcoach in tm history would do
what u want is mamad maylikohan

[a_m]

Ali karimi was way worst than sardar btw.
He got in best shape of his life at 40 years after retiring...
sardar will be OK at tm and he will be in playing shape...vis vis is sardar is coming back to iran to train with ss while his faith gets determine.

The only thing I am saying is he doesn’t deserve to be on the tm until he get in shape and actually starts playing meaningful minutes at whatever club he is at …..