KUWAIT - IRAN (ACQ March 2013)

[Doctor DOOM]

^^ yes, sure. it's when things are not "going MY way". otherwise, this reality you speak of is TM winning games and beating everyone and is well on the road to qualification.
and apparently, by your logic, "MY way" is opposite of what TM is achieving. lol
because obviously I cant stand it that TM has played well, won games, gathered enough points and is almost qualified.
hoe-kayyy




and all those other occasions I spoke out, actually and in reality, the team was doing well, playing good football and winning games and scoring goals and ... . and somehow in the middle of all these wins and goals and great performances, I couldnt stand all this winning and had to speak out and complain!!!



hehehe ... your logic amazes me

[zzgloo]

Martin would have been a great member in ANY COMMUNIST regime, where only POSITIVE PROPAGANDA was allowed.
Had Martin lived in Eastern Europe when this part of the world was ruled by the communist, he would have been an important figure, right up there with Ceausescu...

This isn't an insult.
This is the man's way of thinking and I've been convinced of this over the years.

In his view, everything is just fine and peachy, even when the SH*T hits the ceiling.
In Queiroz's case, it hit the ceiling long long time a go, the stench has covered the room, but Martin (and others like him!) are still holding their noses, saying we can't smell anything.

What you and similar minded people believe, ( and this is not an insult either )..is that the Sky is the limit...all we need is a better coach, a better game plan...thats all.
ignoring ,realities on the ground....
all you need to do, is to look at progress in every other departments and organizations in IRAN.....and limit your wishes accordingly.

[Martin-Reza]

It's funny that you try to push me in the corner of being a name and CV worshipper only, DD. We had the same discussion we have now when Ivankovic, Daei and Ghotbi were in charge - not really the most famous international coaches, are they?

You're philosophy simply is demanding change when things are not going as you expect and my philosophy is that only consistency can bring you success. This is why we clash and hijack hundreds of threads with our discussions for almost a decade. It's is absolutely ridiculous to claim I would just support a coach when he's famous or foreign.

On a different note in regards to your trademark "when I see something bad I am so freaking courageous to speak out" speech, as said many times before the problem with that is that I think you lack very basic football knowledge but at the same time you really think what you perceive equals reality.

And yet it is perfectly alright to have an own opinion and criticize even if you think Egil Olsen is a Norwegian dish, but I prefer people who always remember who they are and talk accordingly. The way you are presenting your concerns would be worthy of an acknowledged football expert and not of a dentist from Texas who can barely differ a diamond midfield from a square midfield.

[Doctor DOOM]

martin says I complain, no matter who the coach. true. because when I see defects and lapses, I will bring it up and am not scared of the name or fame of the person.
I mean, I did it to my absolute favorite football personality, Daei when he dropped the ball in his coaching. after that, am I going to shy away from criticizing the likes of qotbi or CQ? heh. think again.


yes, I did complain. because there WAS cause for complaints.
for many years we've had the tussle on the issue of LEFT BACK. starting with that chap, zareh who was actually a right midfielder, then, nosrati (whose better perfomances have been at CD or even RB) to ... etc.
but when we did find Pouladi and Mahini and gave a few games to provide a decent amount of time in the post, we saw we dont have that massive a problem as before. so you dont really see people picking up that issue. Are they perfect and without mistakes? hell no. but it is a marked improvement from before that we seem to be able to live with. to me, that's a good start, to build on.

bottomline is as long as people see lacks and shortcomings, they WILL bring up these issues. no matter who is the coach or the player or how modern a system is or ... etc. and right now, it is multiple factors: imbalanced and defective selection, very shoddy game tactics, lack of plan-B during a game and a very poor overall strategy for the campaign

[Paradigm]

The other important issue besides a lack of improvement in the game tactics and strategy under CQ (remember he has been in charge for two years now!) is that we had another perfect goal in the Kuwait game which was disallowed, adding salt to the wounds of the disallowed goals versus Uzbekistan and the friendly with Brazil in 2010. I also recall the Korean referees giving a very suspicious red card to Arash Afshin in the Asian Cup 2011 which disallowed him to participate in the crucial quarter final clash with South Korea. It appears to me that aside from the Australian and Japanese referees, others in Asia are not likely to be neutral towards Iran, primarily because they fail to be fully professional (that includes allowing prejudices to take over decisions.) Instead of simply complaining about it in the media, the IFF and the team headcoach should launch a formal complaint to the AFC and FIFA. If nothing else, this act can help reduce future instances of bias in refereering against the national team because they know Iran is no longer a low-hanging fruit. Things will not get better until there is a formal action initiated.

Keano jaan, it is not necessary to have a single all-rounded goal scorer like Daie to put away every 50-50 ball. As the recent example of U-22 showed, a team can have many goal scorers once they have good coordination and dynamics. A team like that is much harder to tie down for opponents because every single player can be a reliable finisher.

[Kaiser Amir]

martin wants us to keep quiet at the face of CQ's resume in wikipedia or whatever. fine. we'll be quiet.

Martin would have been a great member in ANY COMMUNIST regime, where only POSITIVE PROPAGANDA was allowed.
Had Martin lived in Eastern Europe when this part of the world was ruled by the communist, he would have been an important figure, right up there with Ceausescu...

This isn't an insult.
This is the man's way of thinking and I've been convinced of this over the years.

In his view, everything is just fine and peachy, even when the SH*T hits the ceiling.
In Queiroz's case, it hit the ceiling long long time a go, the stench has covered the room, but Martin (and others like him!) are still holding their noses, saying we can't smell anything.

[zzgloo]

Every one,after recent wins by qatar & Uzbakistan,is seeing the disqualification to WC being more real...and naturaly, the criticisms are becoming more pronounced and louder.......and QC should about now, start to feel the real Iranian intolerance for football failiers.
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CQ is a good man, and he means well....yet he has major problems with TM...
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1- He is too defensive/conservative.
2- He distrust Iranian football.
3-He ignores local culture and system.
...
I how ever, do not think, we should change him at this moment.....it is too late !

[Doctor DOOM]

I forgot to add one more fact to my last post:

Facts like when you know the pitch is horrible for ground play, any HALF-DECENT coach would know you'd have more success in AERIAL tactics than those based on the ground. so any HALF-DECENT coach would at least place one (if not 2) tall strikers who could take advantage of this.

now, why didnt CQ behave like a half-decent coach, with all his years of blah blah blah?



martin wants us to keep quiet at the face of CQ's resume in wikipedia or whatever. fine. we'll be quiet. but isnt it our right to EXPECT the proportionate level of coaching from this illustrious name too?

[Doctor DOOM]

LOL
martin can stick to "names" and "fame" of people and this illusory ideas that anyone from outside is automatically better than what's inside Iran (says how you rate and see Iran as). even if protecting these "names" means putting down downright talent from Iran. hey, that's your OPINION.
I would rather stick to FACTS.
facts such as selecting a deficient line up, which comes to light when your team keeps crossing to a non-existent target in opponents' defense.
facts such as sticking to low energy and low output players no matter how badly they perform game in, game out (ansarifard, ... )
facts like horrible substitutions and horrible tactics
fact is we suffer from lack of goal scoring at TM (as everyone and their cousins are aware of) and yet we see names like Oladi (2-3 goals) in CQ's list when we have far more capable and in form players like salehi (13 + 2 in ACL goals) sit out.


mine are based on true events and what actually happens on the pitch. while you expect people to simply keep quiet only because X is famous or Y has a good past resume. irrelevant when things are going wrong at this very moment

I start talking and criticizing when there is CAUSE to criticize. I'm sorry if I am not affected by the "fame"-bug or if I'm not a "name-victim", who would bite his tongue and not talk about mistakes if the name of the person is bigger than or more famous than a certain limit.

[Kaiser Amir]

Only a few words:

- I'm totally against sacking Queiroz now. This is HIS mess and HE has to finish it. I want the DISGUSTING FAILURE of reaching the World Cup from the easiest group ever to be added to his glorious CV. Queirzos should have been sacked right after our loss to Lebanon, not now.

- Queiroz has NOTHING, and I mean NOTHING to offer to Iran football in the next 3 months. He knows it, we know it, the IFF knows it. Everyone is waiting for a MIRACLE. Or, as we say it in Farsi, Omidvarim taghi be tughi bokhore va berim Jam-e-Jahani.

- Queiroz is staying in Iran just to cash the reminder of his contract. Even he himself knows this campaign is over. The IFF won't fire him because, even if they do, they have to pay his FULL CONTRACT while paying ANOTHER COACH as Queiroz's replacement. IFF simply can't afford to do that.


Bottom line:

Our World Cup qualification is no longer a matter of Queiroz's strategies (non-existent any way!), but it depends whether taghi be tughi khahad khord ya na...

[maij]

Mansourian has never won a competitive match as headcoach. He is not an option for TM. He might be on the very beginning of a good way with the Omid team after all, but that's it. Stop dreaming. He's no Guardiola.

And we changed a big authority at helm of TM almost exactly four years ago. Looking back we might have had better chances winning in Pyongyang had we kept Daei.

In comparison, Mehdi Ali brought UAE to the Olympics and helped the team shine there. Not really compareable to Mansourian's situation.

And Qatar's new coach lost both if his competitive matches after beating Egypt B in a friendly. I have my doubts he will last until June.

Did you know at the time that Guardiola will be so successful with Barcelona? Did you know that Guardiola played for Al Ahli of Qatar before taking the helm at Barcelona B team as a coach. That was only coaching experience. In retrospect , one can claim anything. Beside what sort of divine power you have to PREDICT what Mansourian will be or not ?



But then again I suspect that his is not about Mansourian , but more about your unequivocal support for Carlos Queiroz, which you are entitled to. But . it becomes wicked when such support means demeaning other people like Mansourian.

[Martin-Reza]

Mansourian has never won a competitive match as headcoach. He is not an option for TM. He might be on the very beginning of a good way with the Omid team after all, but that's it. Stop dreaming. He's no Guardiola.

And we changed a big authority at helm of TM almost exactly four years ago. Looking back we might have had better chances winning in Pyongyang had we kept Daei.

In comparison, Mehdi Ali brought UAE to the Olympics and helped the team shine there. Not really compareable to Mansourian's situation.

And Qatar's new coach lost both if his competitive matches after beating Egypt B in a friendly. I have my doubts he will last until June.

[maij]

Thanks Martin jaan. The trajectory of the national team under CQ has not been one to write home about. Again the question comes to mind whether he is the right coach for Iran, or is he simply the Mayeli-Kohan of Portugal whom we have been stuck with. Is he even being asked how come Iran never plays a decent friendly?? What is the story with blacklisting our #1 goalkeeper Rahmati while inviting Owladi, and does CQ even properly study/analyze the opponents before the games? I hope we come to our senses before it is too late. If I were the IFF, I would immediately, without any hesitation have CQ removed and place Mansoorian in charge of the national team.

Well said.
Very observant of you to mention the analysis of opponents by Queiroz. I am not sure if this has been done properly, because there were one or two instances that made me question if Team Melli technical cadre has actually analyzed the opponents and what is the source of threat from Kuwait.

Although I am not too keen on sacking coaches in the midst of a competition , I think if Iran has to do it , then this is the right time. It gives the new coach enough time to do something and perhaps save this campaign. I honestly do not believe that our famous world renowned coach Carlos Queiroz has ANYTHING and I mean anything , to offer or to improve in the next 3 matches on the World Cup campaign. Getting rid of him is not going to be a disaster apart from paying him the remainder of the contract period and that is the damn hurdle that the stingy IFF does not want to do. Not that I blame them because the IFF is stripped out of cash like Cyprus.

On the subject of Mansourian , I must say admit that a week of seeing his work, suddenly changed my mind about this man. It is quite clear that Mansourian understands and values quality in football. He also has a good vision for the game, however , his biggest problem remains experience. He has very little experience compared to Queiroz , but then again we have to ask ourselves this question. What did the valuable experience of Queroz achieved for Team Melli ?


Instead of bragging and acting arrogant about our knowledge and history in football , we should start learning from other successful experiences. The minnows of yesteryear such as UAE and Qatar are giving very good examples of themselves. These two countries , and Saudi Arabia employed the most expensive coaches their money can buy. Their list of coaches is full of world class coaches some of whom are still coaching first class national teams like England's Roy Hodgson. Although there was some improvement in the results here and there and some of these coaches influences are undeniable , lately they reverted to using their own vatani coaches because money cannot guarantee success.

Mehdi Ali who did a brilliant job with UAE youth team was appointed as head coach of the UAE national team. His achievement is remarkable so far and includes winning the Gulf Cup this year and leading the AFC Asian Cup qualifying group. They just beat Uzbekistan a week ago. Qatar also sacked Attouri after a disappointing Gulf cup and appointed a local coach Fahad Thani. The improvement was immediate as Qatar beat Egypt 3-1 in a friendly , which is no mean feat in itself and yesterday the gave the Koreans all sort of problems and lost the match in Seoul 2-1 in the last kick of the games! Very unlucky. You might note that the same Korean team beat Qatar 4-1 in Doha under Attouri!

So , changing the coach can have a drastic result both technically and psychologically and I really believe that Iran has reached a crossroad and some wise men in IFF , probably with high IQ, need to be brave enough and act. There is nothing to lose as we have already reached a critical scenario. Unless there is something that CQ has like a secret weapon , I don't see Team Melli beating Qatar in Doha.

[Paradigm]

^ It is the coach who selects the right players and the system that will work. As I recall Mansoorian was in charge when we beat Russia in 2011. Watch these clips once more, I love the dynamic game which U-22 plays!! You can see the guys are genuinely happy, fast, and light; that is the sort of change we will need in the senior team.

[Keano]

I am seriously starting to think that Mansoorian >> CQ
He managed to get three back to back wins with U-23

It could also translate into U-21 >>> TM

Our U-21 team played with so much conviction and determination, an extremely high-spirited and offensive minded team with great passing ability and fantastic teamwork all together, it was purely breath of fresh air watching them play with those beautiful tiki-taka style and long steered passes, so gratifying to watch for sure. Kudos to them and Mansourian.

On the other hand an unmotivated and sloppy TM along with its unenthusiastic players bearing too much inconsistency in their performances, all of which is excruciating to watch at times.

Today's performance against a mediocre Asian counterpart was just a few letters short of the word "Disaster" unable to link a few clean passes throughout the match was indicative of the result and overall TM performance!

Dejagah indeed displayed his worst TM performance so far, he became a ball hugger, wouldn't let go of it, he insisted on dribbling passed several players in several scenes, for he failed in pretty much all attempts, yet never gave up the new habit.

Rahman Ahmadi was sort of shaky and looked unreliable, I wonder what made him start over Davari. Ahmadi's biggest enemy IMHO is his size and height which is below average for a GK. His faulty exits in some aerial challenges was a glimpse of the old Rahmati drama. I truly don't wanna see him as our number 1 goalie!

I am still baffled by how and why a player of Oladi's caliber is invited, and gets playing time in an official game, I seriously don't get it. Currently one of IPL's top goal scorers is Farzad Hatami followed by Seyed Salehi, yet we pick Oladi, how bizarre is that? Even Ghazi or Ansarifard are both better than Oladi.

We certainly got robed of a 100% clean and legit goal, shiiiiiit happens in football, therefore I am not gonna resort to the typical accusations and conspiracy theories, but still overruling such clean and beautiful goal hurts!

A creative midfielder's spot like Khalatbari was surely felt today, today our midfielders lacked sufficient creativity, Ghoochannejad was barely fed and provided by his teammates, he got a great assist I believe from Dejagah which he beautifully converted, however unfairly disallowed by the ref.

Our biggest shortcoming and enemy is lack of a great goal scorer with fantastic vision, precision, high IQ, good physics so that he can bully all aerial and ground balls, even Mila agrees with me on this!