Iran - South Korea game discussion

[zzgloo]

There is no denying that Ghotbi and Team Melli has a perfect record in 2010 ( and let us all hope that it remains like that). How are these results achieved and whether they are satisfactory is quite an interesting debate.

Yes , perhaps Korean Football is more organized , more professionally run and managed , more tactically disciplined .....but what is the use if they do not win , especially against the so-called lower ranked teams (our own TM , for example) ?

For me , the right question I need to ask is from Back to front. At the end , we need the result and to achieve that there should be a certain line up , strategy and system of play. There is no doubt that Team Melli , apart from a few moments of individual brilliance here and there , plays an ugly kind of football. In fact it is quite archaic and that is typified by the "Route one" balls from the defenders to the forward lines !!!

But the bottom line is that I need a result .....and that is what Ghotbi wanted and achieved. I don't think it is fair for us to criticize him or his team for achieving the result..hell that is what every team in the world wants to achieve in each match...WIN...there is no Ugly win or a beautiful win category yet...it is all in our minds..a win is a win.


I will Kiss "Seyed's" forehead if he achieves such results in Doha , come January 2011 ...and I will leave the beautiful football for Spain ( which received a good lesson in football by Argentine )


The reality is....Team Melli is a reflection of Iran's football in general...It is NOT great to watch and has many flaws in it. The coach is NOT very experienced and has many shortcomings. He is conservative to say the least , highly nervous and quite emotional. He seems to feel the stress & pressure of the job. The constant threat of being booted out of the job is not an easy feeling to live and work with ...So...Lest not forget that we have just defeated Korea and lest not forget that apart from the last 15 minutes of the match , they hardly threatened our defense system ( with all its shortcomings). Let us remember the Played 6 Won 6



I think...it is time for Ghotbi to relax a wee bit...collect his thoughts...re-enforce , refuel and start breathing normally for a few weeks. The Job is not done by any means and the road is rough , but admittedly "Seyed" is not doing badly ...at all.

The man deserves some recognition IMHO.

Very Wise analysis Majid Jaan....

Ghotbi,how ever, should have shot him mouth,instead of giving advice to Korean football, and thier coach !!.....
I hope he does not relaxe and put motions on cruse control !

And on difference of styles, I must say, while Koreans seem to be more advansed,in organizational department, and fluidity of thier game......, yet, even if all were good with Iranian system, we probably still would have had a different football style........and our difference in style, is more than organizational skills, and may be Cultural as well .

[dvader6]

^ dear babak, I think you thought I was focusing on this friendly.
No. My focus was on the main and important games in asia cup. and frankly, I dont think we can rely on such gigantic mistakes happening by our decent opponents beyond the first stage (which looks like to be either south korea or australia).

yes, we beat skorea at home 1-0 away. hooray.
I would have felt more confident if we had forced this win, which would show when we face them in asia cup, we have the capability to repeat this game.

but when we won through such a gigantic mistake (which is extremely rare from well organized teams like skorea), then I just dont feel confident about the asia cup game that makes our fortunes depend on another similar mistake only, instead of our own ability to get that win!




what I'm saying is if we get a win through the coach's reading of the game or tactics or rehearsed moves or ..., we can be pretty confident the coach can REPEAT this in official games also. extremely high possibility and percentage.
but what are the chances of such a mistake being repeated? extremely low possibility and percentage

[Babak agha]

Dear dvader, I don't think you fully get what I'm saying. Offcource we should be taking a win instaed of being gifted with one, but at this point we are in no place to think that we can take a win against Korea or any other decent team. For now being gifted with one is better than try to take a win and loose badly. A win and the perfect score so far should definitely help our boys improve their game.

[toofan]

High resolution ...from KFATV the way reported by Korean

omg i have been looking for this

I love u man .

[Keano]

Dear Maij, your assessment of this match was flawless and spot on, I enjoyed reading through your unbiased and fair brief analysis of this match against Korea.

At the end what really counts is the result, a win is a win, no matter what the circumstances may be. *TM played a delightful and entertaining football during AC 2004, but then what? ** we got knocked out of the final match in the semi finals, this partly was due to our own negligence (Sattar Zare red carded for childish behavior)

We've had 4 consecutive sweet international friendly wins against somewhat decent teams and away: 2-3 against Bosnia, 1-3 against Armenia, 0-2 against China, 0-1 against S. Korea, if these were all luck factor, then let's wait and see how long it's last, but please let's enjoy it and support our team while it lasts.


* Lesson number 1: No matter how beautiful or ugly your team plays, at the end what matters the most is to achieve good results and earn the 3 points (Although entertaining and fair-play football is always appreciated)

** Lesson number 2: you get punished for your crucial mistakes, regardless of the style of football your team displays!

[dvader6]

^ is it about "beautiful" win vs. "ugly" win ...... or is this about "taking a win" vs. "being gifted the win"?

I think the beautiful/ugly debate can go on and on with hardly a resolution to it. but I would like to see us "take a win", rather than wait and wait and hope and prey till we are "gifted a win" through the opposition's mistakes. Because sometimes, no matter how long we wait or how much we prey, the opposition just doesnt make such crass mistakes (by then it doesnt matter whether we play beautiful or ugly anyway). what then? what other routes would we have to get that win?

[Babak agha]

I have to agree with you Maij, we are in no position to expect beautifull wins against good opponents. Maybe after some time when the players get used to the system more and when Qotbi figures out which players fit best in this system, we might have good games against the Aussies, Japan or Korea. At this point the increasing winning mood should be a huge confidence booster, especially when the perfect score is achieved beating some strong teams, WITHOUT conceiding a goal.
So yea, we didn't play good football to build on for the future, but I think the wins against China and Korea has helped the process of self confidence, and eventually good football, greatly.
Let's wait and see what will happen next, as we have no other choise, but for now I'm not that disappointed.

[maij]

High resolution ...from KFATV the way reported by Korean

After over two years of having an HD system , I have seen only one Team Melli broadcast in HD.... Mostly , have to be content with the crappy old 18th century broadcast stuff for TM matches


Nice picture.....Thanks

[maij]

Sorry for spoiling the joy here, but let's not forget that it wasn't all about how well Iran played. Korea did not play well at all.. it was a bad day for them! We have had many of those before!! remember where we have lost against weak teams.

so, puff puff puff for the win .... but not too much!!!

The real MaCoy will have to be shown in Qatar!!

I don't think many people really believe that Team Melli played well and as you said rightly , the Koreans were pretty much awful too....My point is .....It is a win , ugly as it may be , it is still a win...
Hopefully Seyed will continue on course all the way to Doha.

[St_Mark]

High resolution ...from KFATV the way reported by Korean

[Kavian]

Sorry for spoiling the joy here, but let's not forget that it wasn't all about how well Iran played. Korea did not play well at all.. it was a bad day for them! We have had many of those before!! remember where we have lost against weak teams.

so, puff puff puff for the win .... but not too much!!!

The real MaCoy will have to be shown in Qatar!!

[maij]

There is no denying that Ghotbi and Team Melli has a perfect record in 2010 ( and let us all hope that it remains like that). How are these results achieved and whether they are satisfactory is quite an interesting debate.

Yes , perhaps Korean Football is more organized , more professionally run and managed , more tactically disciplined .....but what is the use if they do not win , especially against the so-called lower ranked teams (our own TM , for example) ?

For me , the right question I need to ask is from Back to front. At the end , we need the result and to achieve that there should be a certain line up , strategy and system of play. There is no doubt that Team Melli , apart from a few moments of individual brilliance here and there , plays an ugly kind of football. In fact it is quite archaic and that is typified by the "Route one" balls from the defenders to the forward lines !!!

But the bottom line is that I need a result .....and that is what Ghotbi wanted and achieved. I don't think it is fair for us to criticize him or his team for achieving the result..hell that is what every team in the world wants to achieve in each match...WIN...there is no Ugly win or a beautiful win category yet...it is all in our minds..a win is a win.


I will Kiss "Seyed's" forehead if he achieves such results in Doha , come January 2011 ...and I will leave the beautiful football for Spain ( which received a good lesson in football by Argentine )


The reality is....Team Melli is a reflection of Iran's football in general...It is NOT great to watch and has many flaws in it. The coach is NOT very experienced and has many shortcomings. He is conservative to say the least , highly nervous and quite emotional. He seems to feel the stress & pressure of the job. The constant threat of being booted out of the job is not an easy feeling to live and work with ...So...Lest not forget that we have just defeated Korea and lest not forget that apart from the last 15 minutes of the match , they hardly threatened our defense system ( with all its shortcomings). Let us remember the Played 6 Won 6



I think...it is time for Ghotbi to relax a wee bit...collect his thoughts...re-enforce , refuel and start breathing normally for a few weeks. The Job is not done by any means and the road is rough , but admittedly "Seyed" is not doing badly ...at all.

The man deserves some recognition IMHO.

[toofan]

dear god hajsafi played terrible at least in the 1st half i saw.

[kami_kakashi]

here are some more questions :
1- Did TM played fast football, based on a team plan ? or were they forced to do so to catch up with a faster pace of South Korean team ?
2-Did both teams play Football ?, or there were clash of Styles ?
3-Does Iran have a stronger Football, or South Korea ?
4- Are we on the right track toward future, or South Korea is ?

1- Actually TM played a slower game (you could see Ghotbi on the sideline giving the calm the game sign to players) delayed passing style in a packed midfield. We were fast on the counters and I think it was planned and based on players who are naturally runners and fast (e.g. G Rezaei)

2- Clash of style. Korea is geared towards a high work rate fluid football where as the current Iran team is geared towards pressing and disruptive style

3- Korea has a stronger tactical football where as Iran has more gifted players. I think it is totally a matter of preference to choose the better one!

4- Iran's current approach or roadmap has nothing to do with this team. IFF has already decided that the Omid and the TM are just there for show and the next generation will be defined by the U-19 Iranian team that is where all the investment is going at this stage. It is too early to say if we are on the right track or not but for some reason Doosti's team is giving me a warm and optimistic feeling.

[zzgloo]

shouldnt there be a difference between forcing a win and exploiting an accident?

here are some more questions :

1- Did TM played fast football, based on a team plan ? or were they forced to do so to catch up with a faster pace of South Korean team ?

2-Did both teams play Football ?, or there were clash of Styles ?

3-Does Iran have a stronger Football, or South Korea ?

4- Are we on the right track toward future, or South Korea is ?