Is , ESTIL AZIN, An Islamic Republic Project ?

[zzgloo]

Dear:

I know who Ajorlu is.

Few years ago when I was contributing to general forum my last few posts were about him ( HERE ).
I defended him when he was wrongfully accused of being XXX torture agent.

It was one of my reasons not to bother with those kinds of arguments.
Yes he is still in some capacity work with security apparatus and was a military and intelligent officer but so does thousands other military personnel who are closer to reform camp.

We had a serious discussion about him in another forum when he challenged Aliabadi for IFF position and his famous letters.
His sister is still with Principalist camp unlike him and his eldest son who used to be editor of Pase Javan.
Reform camp is just an umberella consist of Islamists, Leftists , seculars, liberals … and lately anti regime elements and some of their founders were intelligent and counter intelligent agents of IRI .

I remember those threads well....specialy , Ali Chicago and me, particularly, accused you of being on the side of hezbullah......
I no longer feel that way about you !
I do, however,remember,the pictures and documents Ali Chicago provided from Ajorloo's back ground......which proved him being on a very top level among regim's men !
If what Ali Chicago believed,is correct, where Ajorloo goes, must be a direct hands of islamic Republic strategic planners !
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More over, I disagree with the conclusion you made about , Dividing fan base ,will not be good for the IR.....on the contrary, it makes lot of sence...........as was thier plans of taking Tehrani teams out of Tehran did..........
The objective has been , to reduce the number of fans attending stediums..........and dividing fans, specialy dividing perspolise fans ,would do that.
The situation in perspolise was getting out of hand....and thier strategic plan of continuouse draws ,to control massive fan in stediums,was getting predictable, and fans knew it and got tired of it......
So, a new plan was needed ,to manage large sums of dissatisfied fans gathered at one place.

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[zzgloo]

It is an interesting puzzle....

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1- It appears...the intention behind stablishing Steel azin,had been more of accumolating and wining fan base ,( particularly,and initialy, away from perspolise ),...than wining the league cup .

2- What does,Hiring Esteghlal players , for the first time,add to the equation ?

3-What does ,a third pole in fan base, do to the dynamic of fan situation ?, could this be,in same poletic line as the dicision to take some Tehrani teams to other cities,and decongesting Tehran fans ?

4- What happened to Ali parvin,in regards to Steel Azin ?

5- If stablishing Steel Azin does not make business sence,what poletical sence is probable ?

[St_Mark]

Ajerloo is a regime man , a military person and/or police commander of a very high rank. I doubt that he would go that far in Iran while being in opposition.

Dear:

I know who Ajorlu is.

Few years ago when I was contributing to general forum my last few posts were about him ( HERE ).
I defended him when he was wrongfully accused of being XXX torture agent.

It was one of my reasons not to bother with those kinds of arguments.
Yes he is still in some capacity work with security apparatus and was a military and intelligent officer but so does thousands other military personnel who are closer to reform camp.

We had a serious discussion about him in another forum when he challenged Aliabadi for IFF position and his famous letters.
His sister is still with Principalist camp unlike him and his eldest son who used to be editor of Pase Javan.
Reform camp is just an umberella consist of Islamists, Leftists , seculars, liberals … and lately anti regime elements and some of their founders were intelligent and counter intelligent agents of IRI .

[TM-Fan]

Maij jan, I agree that the Hedayati affair is extremely strange and fishy. I also do not understand what is happening, but I don't agree with your theory.

PP and SS have many fans in Iran and that is why IR will never privatize PP and SS teams as a preventive act so that they can have full control on these two teams. But we should also note that hardcore football supporters in Iran, those who attend the games in the stadiums, are usually among the very very poor and uneducated people and they are not usually educated and smart enough to participate in the political movements.

At the start of this past football season when the green move was on its peak, many people expected to see some movements in the stadiums in Iran but nothing happened. The hardcore fans in the stadiums watch the games and when they are unhappy they start insulting the player, the coach, the club management or at most the head of the IFF.

Besides, dividing the fans of two teams into three or four teams will not solve anything. It may even makes it more difficult for them to control the fans as they will now need to watch three or four teams.

[maij]

Hedayati, Ajorlu, S. Droodgar... are closer to Reform camp than to the Principalists.
They are not a threat to IRI , not yet.

Ajerloo is a regime man , a military person and/or police commander of a very high rank. I doubt that he would go that far in Iran while being in opposition.

[St_Mark]

Hedayati, Ajorlu, S. Droodgar... are closer to Reform camp than to the Principalists.
They are not a threat to IRI , not yet.

[maij]

There is something else in this whole episode that I failed to mention. The entry and quick exit of Hedayati into Perspolis !

Suddenly this man , Hedayati , comes out of nowhere ( in sporting terms) and is part of Perspolis board. If you think about it , there are many ex-members of Perspolis including ex-players who have much better understanding and affiliation / passion for the organization who are natrually better suited candidates to enter PP management, what is Hedayati's background with Perspolis?

Fine , he is a wealthy man and wealth is always needed in any enterprise , but why would an Entrepreneur spend his own money on a Government owned and managed organization like Perspolis? it DOES NOT make sense at all.

And...finally , what really happened in his quick exit out of Perspolis ???

There are far too many unanswered questions and the conspiracy theorist can have a field day with Hedayati's venture. In a system that lacks transparency , people's imagination can run wild ...however , even the most conservative person will have his/her doubt about the authenticity of the man (Hedayati) and his motives in building Steel Azin as a powerful club in Iran challenging the big two.

The jury is still out , but I fear people might initially under-estimate SA.
DO not fall in this trap....look at the attendance figures for PP and SS...what do you see ?

a continuous decline

...... Isn't that a warning sign?

[zzgloo]

I think this is an important subject, in fact its importance was highlighted by the number of player (expensive players ) that SA has signed recently.

To prove or disprove anything is of a tall order in the absence of any creditable evidence, However , by the process of elimination , using live example , historic data with some other current events particularly the economical realities , I guess we can come to some sort of conclusion.
We can also speculate on motives and admittedly such speculation could be far from truth and reality.


I have thought of this question raised by Bahram many times and initially I thought that it is not politically motivated . But the more I asked myself and the more I read about Steel Azin (SA) , I am beginning to think that SA is certainly much more than an economical enterprise.
There are lots of wealthy Iranians, but very few percentage o f them dare to invest large amount of their wealth in a country which is economically but more particularly, politically unstable. Ask the people in neighboring Dubai , and you will understand the bigger picture. Hedayati , wherever his source of wealth is from , cannot invest in a venture that has a big label of “Economical disaster” written all over it and football is an economical disaster without the support of the government in Iran.

“Tehran” is no “Manchester” , neither is “Esfahan” a “Barcelona” or “Ahvaz” a “Milan”.


Wealthy people have very good sense of “Risk Management” and the successful ones are extremely skillful in it. Unless Hedayati got his wealth from money laundering or opium trade , he would not risk losing millions in a football team just for the heck of it….
I mentioned elsewhere, that this regime is fearful of the slightest criticism and opposition. They do not under-estimate the power of the masses, the very essence of their own formation and rise to the power. The increased popularity of football clubs (the big two) might very well threaten the stability of the regime if it is out of control and in the wrong hands. Simply by privatizing it , even if they are put under a close scrutiny , might not be enough deterrent. Creating another pole and a powerful team to reduce the popularity of the other two is perhaps a more manageable proposition….if your read your history, you would know that Perspolis itself , has been created like that from the ashes of Shahin.


My two cent worth.

I could n't have said it better myself !

I have a feeling, Steel Azin...is bound to collapse....in near future....and that will damage the league even further.

[purple_haze]

I think this is an important subject, in fact its importance was highlighted by the number of player (expensive players ) that SA has signed recently.

To prove or disprove anything is of a tall order in the absence of any creditable evidence, However , by the process of elimination , using live example , historic data with some other current events particularly the economical realities , I guess we can come to some sort of conclusion.
We can also speculate on motives and admittedly such speculation could be far from truth and reality.


I have thought of this question raised by Bahram many times and initially I thought that it is not politically motivated . But the more I asked myself and the more I read about Steel Azin (SA) , I am beginning to think that SA is certainly much more than an economical enterprise.
TehranEsfahanAhvaz



if your read your history, you would know that Perspolis itself , has been created like that from the ashes of Shahin.


My two cent worth.

You got very valid points Majid jan, I completely agree. I have been saying for some time now that the regime is afraid of the popularity of the big two and that they've been trying to reduce it using different means.
That's why neither of the big two has been able to maintain a continuous success for the past 10 years or so. Every year, they create problems and weaken at least of of the big two if not both in some way.
Crating poles is something they have already begun before, but somewhere else than in Tehran. Sepahan went from a decent club to being handed big budgets, at one point even Foold Ahvaz's budget was shifted to them causing the Ahvazi team to relegate, Sepahan having an even more massive budget and another pole was created.
But now that it's clear to everyone what the government is doing to the big two, an alternative new way would be to create a new rival in Tehran with huge money, so that the 2 new poles having the economical resources would attract the stars.
Although the big two's popularity isn't something they can eliminate or extremely reduce suddenly or within a short time frame, the lack of stars means less fans than the big two's potential capacity crowd in the stadiums which is what the government is after anyway.

[maij]

I think this is an important subject, in fact its importance was highlighted by the number of player (expensive players ) that SA has signed recently.

To prove or disprove anything is of a tall order in the absence of any creditable evidence, However , by the process of elimination , using live example , historic data with some other current events particularly the economical realities , I guess we can come to some sort of conclusion.
We can also speculate on motives and admittedly such speculation could be far from truth and reality.


I have thought of this question raised by Bahram many times and initially I thought that it is not politically motivated . But the more I asked myself and the more I read about Steel Azin (SA) , I am beginning to think that SA is certainly much more than an economical enterprise.
There are lots of wealthy Iranians, but very few percentage o f them dare to invest large amount of their wealth in a country which is economically but more particularly, politically unstable. Ask the people in neighboring Dubai , and you will understand the bigger picture. Hedayati , wherever his source of wealth is from , cannot invest in a venture that has a big label of “Economical disaster” written all over it and football is an economical disaster without the support of the government in Iran.

“Tehran” is no “Manchester” , neither is “Esfahan” a “Barcelona” or “Ahvaz” a “Milan”.


Wealthy people have very good sense of “Risk Management” and the successful ones are extremely skillful in it. Unless Hedayati got his wealth from money laundering or opium trade , he would not risk losing millions in a football team just for the heck of it….
I mentioned elsewhere, that this regime is fearful of the slightest criticism and opposition. They do not under-estimate the power of the masses, the very essence of their own formation and rise to the power. The increased popularity of football clubs (the big two) might very well threaten the stability of the regime if it is out of control and in the wrong hands. Simply by privatizing it , even if they are put under a close scrutiny , might not be enough deterrent. Creating another pole and a powerful team to reduce the popularity of the other two is perhaps a more manageable proposition….if your read your history, you would know that Perspolis itself , has been created like that from the ashes of Shahin.


My two cent worth.

[maij]

Ha aha ha ha.

An Islamic Republic project?

Football clubs are not profitable on the whole for owners, fact. Only a few teams make any profit, and most teams acquire huge debts.

Listen, throughout the world, rich capitalists, industrialists, oligarch's and power brokers are acquiring football teams.

From Ukraine (Shaktar Donestk), UAE (all the clubs pretty much), Azerbaijan, (FC Qabala), Uzbekistan (Pakhtakor and Bunydkor), Europe (Man Utd, Liverpool, Man City, West Ham, Chelsea, Aston Villa), Russia (Spartak Moscow),Italy (Both Milan clubs) are just some prominent examples.

This is not an 'Islamic Republic project', this is capitalism and globalisation at work.

The thing you ignored to mention is that THE ISLAMIC REPUBLIC system & mechanism is not like the others you mentioned here ( I can elaborate , but I think you know what I mean).

But the most obvious point that you also did not consider which has been mentioned here by many is this thread , is that Football does not MAKE any money in Iran. If it was not for the government or government owned organizations , you would have seen a compeletely different football in Iran. As it is , clubs even the big two are behind in paying players , facing law suites in courts for breach of contracts and always complaining about lack of budget.

Just a reminder : Example of how profitable private enterprise is in Iran's football> >>> Esteghlal Ahvaz and Abo Moslem Khorasan !

[Masoud_A]

I just say this, You cant become this wealthy unless you, have every big incumbent in IR under your payroll, or are a part of Sepah.

[zzgloo]

It has been a common fact..that Perspolise Management and Inside Mafia..were " TOO MANY "...as too many Cooks in the kitchen !!

It is very likely, some of those " Cooks ", started the Steel Azin...( Got thier own Kitchen ).......
And they must be the " Cooks " with more money than the ones remained in perspolise.

Ali parvin ,and Hajiloo.....utilized thier investement...



It is possible, Steel Azin be different than Esteghlal / perspolise, from Government point of view.


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[Haf3z]

I don't have any facts but I think it is very likely that the club is connected to the government. The reason is that few things are really free from government intervention in Iran, just like in China for instance. A football club is a powerful tool.

[Libertine]

Football is a global game. It's one of a few things in the world that transcends normality. 'For the love of the game' people will do anything. From the fans to the players, to the owners who invest their money knowing that the only return will be on the pitch and not it their pockets. This is football.