GHOTBI is the best choice for this team

[zzgloo]

It is possible,that if we ignore foundemental problems,in order to do with what is at hand currantly, we damage the foundemental even more !!
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same question,is being played around with with current poletical system in IRAN........
Should we go for ( ESlahat ),or total change ?
Will subscribing to ( Eslahat ),damage our aspiration for foundementa changes ?
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I go, with hajagha !,on this one !

[maij]

Torn between two thoughts!

I am a very much a believer in fundamental changes in football which should be carried out in stages spanning many years. patch work does not work , hence I am with Framarz Agha on this.

On the other hand , I also support Payman Agha's idea which states that it is simply not acceptable to sit idle and accept the ridicule and the pathetic status of this football...it is pure complacency.

Although these two thoughts are at the end of the opposite poles , they both address the problems at different angles.

[Hajagha]

I believe in chaos, if one gets one thing right, that can slowly affect other aspects and may correct others.

I am sure you never scrap your car.

Oh, no you are a dentist. Have you suggested an implant for a patient in coma?

Aziz jan, correction should be done from bottom to top, you can't change it from the top and hoping for the best in the bottom. Besides, that "one thing right" doesn't come for free.

You were the one suggesting Daei or QN for Ghotbi. Look at Daei's record in PP.

Anyway, I feel I repeat myself here.

[Doctor DOOM]

but you gotta admit, it takes some high skills NOT to extract a midfield dominance from a midfield like this; baoo, kolahkaj, hawar, ... !

pp's midfield was dominated as if they're teenagers!

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as for ghotbi and "one appropriate appointment" issue:
this is what's been plaguing our football besides the lack of fundamentals. the attitude of "oh, nothing is working fine, so why bother get this one issue right?" !!!

I believe in chaos, if one gets one thing right, that can slowly affect other aspects and may correct others.
at least I dont prescribe to the theory of: if 95 things are bad, we shd let go of the remaining 5 also and say to hell with it all (the age old argument/debate with perspolisee here)

[Paradigm]

For the record, Daei with Perspolis lost 4-1 to Shahin Boshehr. Was it Daei's fault? I don't think so.

For the record Daie just said that this 4-1 was the heaviest defeat of his coaching career. I guess then for him this ranks even worse than the 2-1 loss to Saudi Arabia in home turf in Azadi.

[Adesor Vafaseya]

and I do believe coaching a football team is not play-station as some people think they have all the control.

EXACTLY!!!
you said it the best way possible!

[Hajagha]

Like I said and I want to remind all , Daei took a very high risk in taking the job at a unstable club like Perspolis. If Daei could manage to end up in the top 4 clubs with Perspolis , then he has achieved something grand and should be highly credited for it.

As for the Ghotbi being the best choice coach, I would timidly say Yes , because in chaotic system where shortcomings are aplenty . One inappropriate appointment in Team Melli will not make such a great difference in the fortunes of football. But , that is not the point here …the point is this appointment of Ghotbi as the coach was based on personality , popularity and celebrity status of the guy rather than his competence , skill , experience , character reference.

I didn't mean to discredite daei in my post. As you see I quoted myself in that post which had a history for its own.

Any way, I agree with you and I do believe coaching a football team is not play-station as some people think they have all the control.

[maij]

For the record, Daei with Perspolis lost 4-1 to Shahin Boshehr. Was it Daei's fault? I don't think so.

[Hajagha]

I bet both Daei and GN will do no good in Asian championship.
Cheers

For the record, Daei with Perspolis lost 4-1 to Shahin Boshehr. Was it Daei's fault? I don't think so.

[Martin-Reza]

I totally agree with Hajagha. Not even talking about who realistically would be available as replacement anyways...

[Adesor Vafaseya]

wise words by a wise man

yes I agree to your arguments; moreover now that we have qualified for AC 2011, Ghotbi needs to head the TM at least till Irans last game in AC11! (which we hope is the finals)

thereafter sacking or extending his contract will be based on Iran's achievement justifiable and also correct!

For now both Ghotbi and TM have my full support!

[BehzadB]

Ghotbi is underrated in my opinion. I am aware that he hasn't really performed well during his time as coach for the national team, but on the other hand, he hasn't really had much time. It has been proven time and again that continuity is what pays off in the end. Every now and then a new voice is needed (Lex Branko for instance), but nobody can take away from him that he finished third in AC04 and qualified to WC06 as the third TM coach ever. Anyway, I know Doctor Doom dislikes Branko so I won't provoke you too much . My point is that Ghotbi is a good coach but that he isn't really able to make a fair impact while the system of the federation and the league is of poor quality as we all already know. Not to mention that as soon as an Iranian coach faces the slightest obstacle, he is fired. This does not really create harmony and trust among the players.

Give Ghotbi some time. Stop complaining and namedropping others. Support him instead and blame the system - not him when things go sour .

I agree.

Given the circumstances, Ghotbi is a good choice for our national team. it goes with out saying that our national team really deserves better, but before we get a better coach, we must have better IFF, planning, a better Government, better system... for what we have, Ghotbi is actually too good and I don't think he will last our way of doing things..

[zzgloo]

Here is a copy of my comments, on football forum,on the poll,regarding the main reason for our failiers...
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1- Our new generation,the majority of Iranians, are under 30 years old (70% ),and they all have been born in the islamic system !
2-It took, 30 years, thier fresh adulthood....for our new generation to find out what this Islamic system is about, something we out side knew it 30 years ago.
3-It is the first time, islamic republic,s regim, is giving out a generation that needs to florish from within and to within .
4- It is same reason , we have had far too many players wanting to leave the country,before even becoming a talent.
5-It is the same reason, millions,of high school graduates, are out of job, as the system while producing them, has no room for them to grow.
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the reason, the Golden generation has ended, is because, that was a ( wishful generation ) who grew without knowing what this system is about !
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the main reason for our recent failiers ...is #4,..the islamic Republic....because, the new new generation, knows ! NOW !!!, what the Islamic republic is about......the new generation, comprehends,its limitations, while the old one, was too naive, to know its RIGHTS !!
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The new generation, : Is a frustrated generation, who can no longer be single minded in Football !!!!!and wants more !!!!!
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We need not to fix the football , at TM level, or league level.......
We need, to do it, at the Poletical level !
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Meanwhile, as hajagha says....Ghotbi, is just fine for now !

[Hajagha]

Give Ghotbi some time. Stop complaining and namedropping others. Support him instead and blame the system - not him when things go sour .

Just a simple question:

Why?

Why on earth some one should support him?

Is he an accomplished coach?

Is he honest?

is he loveable?

is he working for free?

What is so special about him? Do you see any slight improvement in any way in his team? After all he is there for almost a year with the worse result ever happened in Iranian history

He is another scumbag who is there to fill his pocket in my book.

I like to keep the guy to make sure no one will be burned over a failed system. My reason to keep him is 180 degree different than yours.

[Haf3z]

Ghotbi is underrated in my opinion. I am aware that he hasn't really performed well during his time as coach for the national team, but on the other hand, he hasn't really had much time. It has been proven time and again that continuity is what pays off in the end. Every now and then a new voice is needed (Lex Branko for instance), but nobody can take away from him that he finished third in AC04 and qualified to WC06 as the third TM coach ever. Anyway, I know Doctor Doom dislikes Branko so I won't provoke you too much . My point is that Ghotbi is a good coach but that he isn't really able to make a fair impact while the system of the federation and the league is of poor quality as we all already know. Not to mention that as soon as an Iranian coach faces the slightest obstacle, he is fired. This does not really create harmony and trust among the players.

Give Ghotbi some time. Stop complaining and namedropping others. Support him instead and blame the system - not him when things go sour .