Iran - Jordan (Azadi)

[Doctor DOOM]

^ I agree with the khalatbari, heydari, kaabi, ... pretty much everything except the first sentence.

but laughing at the 4-2-3-1 comments?
why?
is it because we've had massive success with this formation and have won sh*tload of trophies with it and have qualified for the WC and whatnot?
is it becoz we handily defeated superior teams like uae's youth team and how we pulverized the saudis in iran and how we crushed the koreans in tehran and .... etc etc etc (sadly or fortunately there are PLENTY of examples)?

really?

or shd the comments be discounted by the masterful technical display of the team, showing great moves and performances?

still laughing?
so exactly WHAT is there to keep us from saying 4-2-3-1 hasnt worked for us?

[yashar_fasihnia]

lol @ 4-2-3-1 having repeatedly proven to be a failure...
nothing new though....


leaving out khalatbari is a crime.... ghotbi should stop playing pejman nouri in every damn game at the cost of khalatbari who is our most dangerous player at the moemnt! he did that in the worldcup qualifiers as well....

good that he has dropped kaebi to the bench, he has been mediocre for a long time now. bad that heydari has moved to right back position instead of right midfield position which brings the best out of him. we could either play heydari as RB, Khalatbari as RM, madanchi as LM and hajisafi as LB, or play sheys as RB, heydari as RM, khalatbari as LM and find a defensively more stable player like beygzadeh or someone else as LB, thereby making both madanchi and hajisafi as super subs. this will weaken our offensive moves from the 2 sides but make us defensively stronger, atleast on the 2 flanks.
or we can continue the same way with heydari and hajisafi as our 2 full backs (hopefully no pejman nouri for khalatbari) thereby increasing our offensive potency on the 2 flanks but weaken our defense line even more from not the only the middle now, but also the 2 sides.

andranik was pleasantly surpising. for someone who hasnt been playing at all for a long time, he won almost every tackle and even had good ball possession and dribbling skills when surrounded by defenders and maintained good compsure. a bit unlucky he couldnt finish his great performance with that shot which was saved on the line. but still, he atleast got the assist to be proud of.

i still dont like the idea of hajisafi as LB, defensively he still looks lost but against jordan it was not so obvious.
madanchi as usual, works hard, runs for 90 minutes, but still the usual madanchi who will never be a top player!

nosrati is still mentally weak. he appears to be an emotional player unfortunately. i hope hosseini comes back soon otherwise im afraid he will make more blunders again. he showed those signs yesterday as well but luckily, a 10 man jordanian team wasnt exactly a team to highlight this point!

given the current state of our players and football, i think i like to see milad meydavoudi and mohammad nouri more...

[maij]

Never been a technical analyst nor am I too interested in tactical plans , but having Nekounam , Teymourian and Nouri (all defensive midfielders in my book) against a feeble team like Jordan is ........a crime (in football terms)

Thanks God for Javad Nekounam, he is a saving grace.

[Doctor DOOM]

1-
(filling the spots in a formation) VS. (actually delivering the duties of each spot)

two very different things


2- I can spot a wimp a mile away.
a wimp who like some other wimps, fill up their teams with defensive players, no matter how weak and poor the opposition, or where the game's held or ... etc etc etc.


one can read into the above 2 points great many answers.

[Martin-Reza]

There is no classic playmaker in a 4-3-3.

Anyway, I am sick of discussing tactics with someone who thinks whatever he can imagine is realistic and that Ghotbi and Buter know less about a 4-3-3 than him.

[Doctor DOOM]

I'm bored with these protracted arguments.
I'll be as telegraphic as possible:

putting 3 def mids when the team CLEARLY lacks a playmaker in the middle is dumb.
the most glaring defect of TM in recent times has been THE LACK OF CREATIVITY & A PLAYMAKER.


and just becoz he placed neku or ando as a CM, does not magically transform their style of football. they're still defensive minded players who cannot deliver playmaking duties.

what's next?
if we put nosrati as CM, it's ok?

what's the idea/
filling a spot in the formation?
or
delivering the duties of a spot?

[Martin-Reza]

There were no 3 DMs. But 1 DM and 2 CMs. Just that you think actual OMs are more suitable for CM positions than players who often play DM. Any coach in the world will disagree.

[Doctor DOOM]

^ funny how you dont mention his 4-3-3 was not done correctly as he employed 3 def mids and in 4-3-3 you dont put 3 of them there.
so wrong implementation of a formation doesnt mean the formation is bad.

as much as it is valid for 4-2-3-1 which may be good for others, but if we dont have the right players for it, then it is wrong.

4-2-3-1 has been proven AGAIN AND AGAIN to be the wrong one for us.
hala hey begim "it's modern" "it's great", "france plays it, the dutch play it, X and Y play it" till we grow hairs on our tongue .... that do NOT change the reality of IRAN's TM

[Martin-Reza]

Let me add that it became quite obvious today that 4-2-3-1 is not a defensive system. Ghotbi implemented a classic 4-3-3 in first half and then switched to the more offensive 4-2-3-1 by adding an offensive player for a more defensive player.

[Martin-Reza]

He changed to 4-3-3. Good that he changed back to 4-2-3-1 in second half.

I was disappointed by nearly all players in first half, with the change at halftime, the performance of the team became much better.

I didn't like the performances of Hajsafi and Heydari until the end though.

Shojaei was better in second half after a horrible first half, but still playing far below his potential.

Nekounam the matchwinner (as usual), but he also lacked concentration towards the end.

I personally liked the performances of Khalatbari and Madanchi. Also Teymourian in second half was splendid. Majidi brought fresh air.

My new favourite is Ansarifard. This guy still needs to learn a lot, but he has huge potential and is a big hope for the nokeh hamleh post.

[persianallstars]

1- HEYDARI CRAP
2- HAJSAFI CRAP
3-THANK GOD NEKOUNAM

end of the story

[Doctor DOOM]

1- crap line up
2- crap display by shojaei
3- crap formation. hajrezaei said it bluntly how this formation doesnt work for us

all equalls to: crap coaching

what was nouri's contribution in the game?

what was shojaei's? must be becoz of the IDIOTIC/MORONIC idea of him playing in la liga!!! LOL!
I think those fools got their answer when aranda's hiring by osa proved my point that osa just didnt have anyone in the squad and was forced to play shojaei.
now, where is he when they have even a mediocre option?


why are we playing with 3 defensive mids (neku, nouri, ando) in the middle, IN AZADI, against the team that lost to singapore (lowest ranked team in an easy group)?

ghotbi, boro gomsho

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second half:

apart from a 20 minutes period where we played well, the rest didnt satisfy either.

and ghotbi tried to correct his mistakes of starting with nouri and shojaei with the correct decision of bringing in khalatbari who pressured the jordanians very well and another incorrect decision of bringing in majidi instead of borhani or any other forward.

I give an extremely poor score for the 1st half to ghotbi, and an average score for the 2nd half.

but lets not forget this was an extremely weak opponent. if ghotbi wants to continue this way, I can bet we wont get to the final 4 of ACL.


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