Central defense

[shayan20]

Martin jan I think you are incorrectly comparing Rezaei's performance in PP against weaker IPl sides with Aghili's performance in important WCQ games against much tougher teams.

To me, having watched Aghili many times, his 2 main weaknesses are his speed and aimless long balls.
But I dont see how Rahman is any better than Aghili and how he could solve this problem?!
Doesn't Rahman lack speed too? and doesn't Rahman also sends a lot of long balls?

I have not watched a single match of Nosrati since he left PP so I can't jodge him but to me he is one to watch out for since he's got the abilities and experience with TM.

I believe switching the CBs right now in the middle of WCQ games is a huge risk that could backfire, It is a long term project like Majid beauitully put it.
also agreeing with Hajagha, that this is what we have, we have to live with it.

Aghili, Hosseini, are currently top 2 defender in IPL no doubt who have played with each other for quiet a while now and only need to coordinate their movement and sync with each other.

Some players that I think should be given a chance in friendlies are: Montazeri, Shakoori, Ghorbani, Bengar.
PS. Best defense in the league belongs to SS, so its not surprising to try out their defenders.

[Martin-Reza]

Then, what's your opinion about him being the least favourite by his own coach in PP when he was subb'ed out in the darby? You know, they had two other options to pull out and inject a forward.
I guess you read too many of Peyman (DD)'s posts recently.

I was very much surprised about this, the other 2 central defenders did very bad afterwards in the fourback, also Mojtaba Shiri hadn't put pressure on Jabbari earlier when Jabbari scored while Rahman was pretty much flawless. Rahman also was extremely pissed, he immediately went into the cabin. But that is no reason to assume Rahman would be worse than the other defenders. Why was Nekounam ousted at Al Wahda, why was Talebloo preferred over Rahmati at Esteghlal, etc. And this was only one game, it's not like he was kicked out or lost his spot completely, which also wouldn't mean much as many examples show.

[Hajagha]

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Martin Jan...Team Melli has used 64 different players in 2008....SIXTY FOUR...if that is not a world record, then it has to be close to it for a number of players for a national team in one season/year.

Says it all.

We gotta expression in Farsi "I say it's male, he asks to milk it."...man mi-gam nareh, migeh bedooshesh."

baba joon, there is no talent left behind the door, accept the truth and move on.

[Hajagha]

Rezaei played in Italy for 6 years and is physical still very fit, I have no doubts that he is far better than Aghili.

Then, what's your opinion about him being the least favourite by his own coach in PP when he was subb'ed out in the darby? You know, they had two other options to pull out and inject a forward.

I guess you read too many of Peyman (DD)'s posts recently.

[purple_haze]

I tend to agree with montazeri's inclusion.
I only wish ppl OTHER than ss fans would enumerate his benefits so it would make his case more solid. unfortunately, it is seen often that red fans will try to push for their team's players and see no reason for their subbing, and same with the blue fans.
I hardly see a red/blue fan vehemently support the other team's player! Much like sepahan's fans who'd see hajsafi, navidkia, aghili, nouri, .... head & shoulders above everyone else!

btw, this is not to say you guys are like that. but in general forum, this is the prevalent issue with red/blue fans!

Well, yeah it's mostly in the general forum, because I as a die hard perspolisi have been repeatedly saying that I'd like to see Montazeri tested, because he has at the very least far better ball handling skills than both Aghili and Hosseini. I've also been nagging about Khosro Heydari getting a chance, I gave Kazemi a lot of praise for his excellent match recently and I've always admired Jabbari and think he should be a given starter. So there you go a perspolisi pushing the case of 4 blue players. Same thing about Hajsafi and Navidkia from Sepahan.
But it's about TM and it's as you said mostly, I repeat mostly and not only, in the general forum that a bunch of kids run around, putting down other teams' players to further glorify their own team.

[yashar_fasihnia]

haha...there we go, now we have given doctor peyman one more reason to complain about Daei

[Doctor DOOM]

^ If all that holds true, then we reach the next obstacle: daei and his personal relationship with rahman.
a make or break issue!

[Martin-Reza]

^ Good question. Hard to judge from TV, but I doubt he is significally quicker. I don't think he is slower though but I'd say he definitely is more agile than Aghili and he is used to defend further upfront in the field. Also he has less concentration slips and he is better in build-up, barely using high balls. This could be observed well in the derby, although you of course also made a valid point about this also being a tactical issue also concerning the midfielders earlier in this thread.

Overall I must say Rezaei > Aghili in almost every department.

[Doctor DOOM]

I havent watched rahman's game recently, but if martin says he's been playing very well, then I dont see why we shd hesitate to try him out too. But is he QUICKER than either of hosseini or aghili ? Coz we're discussing this mainly becoz they lack speed and agility. otherwise in heading and aerial battles, they're as good as anyone else.

I tend to agree with montazeri's inclusion.
I only wish ppl OTHER than ss fans would enumerate his benefits so it would make his case more solid. unfortunately, it is seen often that red fans will try to push for their team's players and see no reason for their subbing, and same with the blue fans.
I hardly see a red/blue fan vehemently support the other team's player! Much like sepahan's fans who'd see hajsafi, navidkia, aghili, nouri, .... head & shoulders above everyone else!

btw, this is not to say you guys are like that. but in general forum, this is the prevalent issue with red/blue fans!

[yashar_fasihnia]

i like montazeri too, he is faster than the other CBs in iran and is very good with his feet.
however, i think he is not very dominant in the air and needs to work on that.

but i definitely agree that bengar and ghorbani are at best, average for even asian levels.

i think montazeri should slowly slowly be injected into TM as a sub, while rahman rezaei could still help us considering our lack of options for decent CBs in iran right now...

[kaz]

Pejman Montazeri should be a must. Fast, smart, good build and can start play. Two slow CBs like Jalal and Aghily are just asking for trouble.

[Martin-Reza]

I then and when see Nosrati but I saw almost every game from Rahman since he returned and say he is head and shoulders above Aghili. I wouldn't hesitate a moment to invite and put him in the starting lineup. Nosrati's shape is not that convincing, but still I rate him very much higher than Bengar or Ghorbani and as he can play leftback a lil' bit too, I'd have him on the bench maybe.

Rezaei played in Italy for 6 years and is physical still very fit, I have no doubts that he is far better than Aghili.

If it's no problem to play Bagheri in a position we have excellent options in, I don't know why we shouldn't play the best Asian defender ever when he's 33.

[maij]

Notice how many times they jump together for the same ball !!!!!!!!! ) . Both are extremely disappointing in ball distribution and guilty of comical clearances..... A professional coach can clean up these lose ends and perhaps make a difference.

[Hajagha]

I really would like to see Rahman Rezaei and Mohammad Nosrati reinvited..

Very disapointing suggestion from a person like you. Have you watched these guys recently? I guess not.

[Doctor DOOM]

Good post, Martin.

Perhaps we need to revisit the 4 man defense.
perhaps we need to bring in a sweeper who controls the defensive line from behind. formations are just numbers. no reason in not changing them if it suits the needs of the team.

why not try a diamond 4 man defense with aghili or hosseini a few yards behind the rest?
Hosseini did something similar in qatar's asian games with our Omid team.



apart from this, I still maintain we could try using montazeri or asadi for one of CD's in our test games. they both have shown good game reading and pace. who knows? maybe they are the new rahman rezaeis of this era.
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as for the lobs, I think it is the COACH's responsibility to pull them aside and FORCE them to understand "when nekunam or kazemi or zareh or ... comes deep to recieve a pass, then bloody well pass to him"