Iran-S.Korea:The game analysis

[BehzadB]

without going into much details, I think TM played a decent game today. They did better than I thought they would. I am a little bit surprised with the level of frustration that I see on the boards..

I think the German coach is slowly showing his influence on the team.
Daie is a young coach and , like most Iranians, a bit Lajbaz (i.e, in Bagheri's case).
Daie's Subs were Poor, and I am putting it mildly

as long as hashemian is touching the ball outside the box, we are under utilizing him.. he is a classic center forward and he was licking his chops all game long for a few good cross balls, but none gone to him (very few crosses made it to the box today, horrible job by Shojaie).. I think Vh did very well considering all he got was long passes from Jalal Hosseini or Khalatbari to the corner of the field..

the rainy condition affected the game a lot more than we might think.. lots of slip ups because of the wet grass/ball

Shojaie killed a few counters today with his poor decision making and selfish style of play

We played a very good South Korea team today and splitting points with them is not a bad thing.. We knew that we have to beat KSA before this tournament started, and we still have to beat KSA in Tehran and UAE in Tehran.. We are not going to beat South Korea in Korea.. a draw at North Korea, will get us to the WC IF we take care of the Arabs at home..



my 2 cents;

Over all, we had a good game, not perfect though. No surprises, no major mistakes. Our left side is active, thanks to Khalatbari who was one of our best today and maybe one of our best left mid in years. Kazemi showed he has nothing shorter than mighty Nekonam, which is very good news for us. Kaebi is still fighter and can run up and down in the whole game. Rahmati is our confidence in the net.
We showed that we are organized, we have plan for counters, we have also plan for the opponent counters, we know how to run the ball in the flanks, we understand the coverage in offence and defence.
However, we showed that our coach is still rookie, his first change could have been different to keep the ball possession rather than stronger in the 50/50 balls (the difference between Shojaei and Bagheri). We also relied too much on the long balls for Bagheri and Vahid to get the rebounds for our technical mid’s. This was not the right idea after we were ahead, we needed a runner to keep the Korean defence on their heels and push them back. I think we could have changed Vahid with Borhani when we were ahead.
Hope he learns from his mistake.
Still, we are pretty alive and running.
Cheers,

Fair analysis..

[Dubxl152]

Nothing left to say that hasnt been said. DD jan great analysis. couldnt agree more. Our coach has tons of balls when he's dealing with reporters but when in comes to making subs or pulling a legend like bagheri out of the game when he is clearly ineffective he turns into jello va taroo mikone.

Really disappointing, lack of tactics, wasted subs, poor lineup to begin with and lack of cajones.

[mkbf2]

Well at least we know one thing: its gonna be a typical WC Qualifying campaign for Iran. We will have to at best go thru the playoffs if we want to qualify again

[zzgloo]

Simplified analysis :

1- TM only played acceptable during first 25 minutes....and that was mostly due to Korean plans of psycological adjustement and paceing !!,and not TM dictating anything to them...the rest of the game,as the Korean coach said, they played better in our own home.

2-There was nothing wrong with player selections, and no other invitee would have made any big difference.

3-Again and again, we see TM's engin has , many spark plugs not adjusted , and has no tune-ups !,and the head gaskket is leaking !!,and No steering wheel apparent !

4-IRAN and Saudi Arabia, both have chosen wrong coaches,for this WCQ.

[mehdy]

They would have played much better...that's for sure.
It wouldn't be a crazy idea to have Rahmati instead of Talebloo, Nekounam instead of Janvario and basically the rest of Esteghlal's team as TM.

Oh,i forget about janvario

TM＋based SS

-----------------Rahmati
-----------------Koushki
--------Montazeri-------Ghorbani
---Heydari---------------------Amirabadi
----------------Nekounam
---------Jabbari------------Shojaei
-----------Akbarpour----Borhani

Or Kazemi for Nekounam,Rezaei for Akbarpour??

[kaz]

Sorry for off topic.
If current IPL Best team SS players play against Korea.
Can they won today?

They would have played much better...that's for sure.

It wouldn't be a crazy idea to have Rahmati instead of Talebloo, Nekounam instead of Janvario and basically the rest of Esteghlal's team as TM.

[mehdy]

Sorry for off topic.

If current IPL Best team SS players play against Korea.

Can they won today?

[Doctor DOOM]

Doctor joon, jigar tala, although you are one of our best football analysts in this site, I am afraid that I am against your views most of the time because it's not always black or white as you always portrait it.
My 2 cents:
Just a few points about your posts:
1, Please write shorter. Long posts usually dilute your points.
2, Assume that the coach has a brain and knows a bit about football.
3, Width in todays’ football come from the runner backs and not mid's.
4, Every player brings some qualities into the team which means they lack some others. It means when you put a player over another one, you choose specific qualities over others. Just image this for Bagheri, hashemian, ... please and try to rationalize why they are on the pitch.
If you consider above points, your posts will be more pleasure to read
Cheers,

lol.

I could just as easily and immaturely, post :

... unnecessary gibberish ....,

But I wont do that and will answer u properly.

I also dont see where it was "whining".
if by "whining" you mean complaints, then give me the right to be disappointed.
some can just brush things like this aside. some cant. to each, his own.
It is your god given right if after this game, you jump on the table and do a "baba karam".
do as you see fit.

1- I never said anything about me being an analyst or this or that.
I have alwasy said I call what I see.
it may suit some ppl, it may not suit some others. That doesnt change anything for me.
I call what I SEE ... not what I'd LIKE TO see.


2- I really try to write shorter, but that's the flow of my posts and I write as I would talk to mates.
That's why I cut off sections, or use colors or ... to avoid & break off the monotony .

so forgive me for my inability to write concise and short views. that's just one of my weaknesses.


3- yes. the coach has brains. But it is also true that any man can be very lajbaaz and stubborn, any man may not see things properly through a fog of personal matters, any man can be wrong even if his deductions seem sound to him, any man can be restricted and limited , any man .... also.


4- "TODAY"'s football.
But who said yesterday's football and formations and tactics dont work anymore. reference to another thread "old formations ...."


5- yes, any player does have his specific qualities.
a FORK also has its specific qualities. But do you use a fork to eat ur soup?
I hope I dont have to write more on this


cheers back

[purple_haze]

Khosro Heydari must be wondering what he has to do to get into TM.

Ay gofti. Maybe he should start sending off target crosses which all land behind the touchline, let alone the goal area and start performing mixed martial arts and collecting cards to fit the bill.

[Hajagha]

....Whining....

Doctor joon, jigar tala, although you are one of our best football analysts in this site, I am afraid that I am against your views most of the time because it's not always black or white as you always portrait it.

My 2 cents:

Just a few points about your posts:

1, Please write shorter. Long posts usually dilute your points.

2, Assume that the coach has a brain and knows a bit about football.

3, Width in todays’ football come from the runner backs and not mid's.

4, Every player brings some qualities into the team which means they lack some others. It means when you put a player over another one, you choose specific qualities over others. Just image this for Bagheri, hashemian, ... please and try to rationalize why they are on the pitch.

If you consider above points, your posts will be more pleasure to read

Cheers,

[Doctor DOOM]

hashemian fought today a lot, and thats all he could do.
when he had someone like bagheri behind him, there wasnt much he could do.
when the only type of balls he was receiving were long balls from aghili and hosseini, wat else could he do?

... and why is that?
not becoz he was ALONE ?
becoz we didnt have players who could CROSS from width?

As I said, this is not demeaning VH, but the idiotic formation and choice of players.

2)secondly, so ur saying, the koreans were allowing iranian midfield to hold onto the ball, allowing them to attack and maybe even score and then all of a sudden in the 75th minute changed their mind?
a kid can also take the ball and run away from u and u will have to wait for the kid to get exhausted and then take it from him. this is wat happened with us today.

that is called "game plan".
Nobody says "lets allow them to score" ... which we didnt during the RUN OF PLAY btw. ( dont trivialize it with "allow opponents to score" coz that happens to best of teams with best of plans)
Their plan was quite clear and they played it well too. they knew at what periods of each half to exert themselves and apply pressure.
we've seen this before too.

If they sat back and kept on merely kicking under the ball whenever it reaches their 18, then you'd have the right to question them this way. ( wait. there WAS a team that did that often. hmmm... wonder which team it was )
But did they?
they played football and did their own thing and paced themselves ... and importantly, kept to the plan.

[yashar_fasihnia]

1- yashar jan, we did speak of the very scenario before the game.

exactly WHAT did VH do ?
this by no means is degradation of his efforts.
But technically speaking what did he accomplish in the game in that formation?
a couple of lay-ups for midfielders who are NOT goal scorers ( except the "occasional" khalatbari )?
anything more ?

this is not to say remove VH. But for the coach to PAIR HIM UP with another striker who takes some of the load off him, and provides a proper goal scoring option for VH's lay-ups.

hashemian fought today a lot, and thats all he could do.
when he had someone like bagheri behind him, there wasnt much he could do.

when the only type of balls he was receiving were long balls from aghili and hosseini, wat else could he do?

maybe if someone like jabbari, navidkia or even shojaei was playing behind him instead, and aghili and hosseini wouldnt keep kicking aimlessly upront, hashemian could actually utilize some of his energy getting involved in passing combinations with the midfielders behind him.

i think playing bagheri behind hashemian and those 2 bekesh ziresh machines affected hashemian's game as well and forced him to just keep jumping in the air hoping to win some aerial balls.
how many passing combos did he have with bagheri? none...
the penalty scene was also a result of hashemian's own hardwork and intelligence with that quick turn and cross into the penalty area.

hashemian isnt a young player, and isnt as good as he was before, but he could definitely be more effective with better service from the midfield.

i still insist that hashemian should play and even start in TM, but please for gods sake,
1)lets have a play maker behind him. we have so many options that even if some are excluded because of grudges or injury or lack of form or retirement, we still have more decent options, ones that even daei invites, like shojaei and nouri.
2)aghili and hosseini for the love of god stop kicking under the ball and just pass the ball to the DMs or one of the side midfielders, please? is this too much to ask?

midfield "controlled" them?

I wouldnt call it "control" if it is so easily wrested away from them at whim by the koreans.
we better acknowledge this FACT and not sweep it under the carpet like many other issues.

a kid holds onto the ball until you decide to take it away from him WHEN YOU WANT ( or plan ) TO.
if you do it very easily and at whim, the kid cannot say "I was controlling it". You just didnt plan to do it at the moment.

1)first, just because i disagree with u on other issues doesnt mean, im sweeping facts under the carpet.
2)secondly, so ur saying, the koreans were allowing iranian midfield to hold onto the ball, allowing them to attack and maybe even score and then all of a sudden in the 75th minute changed their mind?

a kid can also take the ball and run away from u and u will have to wait for the kid to get exhausted and then take it from him. this is wat happened with us today.
and when we were exhausted upfront, their whole team was able to push forward. it was our fault for not bringing in fresh legs earlier in the game to keep their defense line and hence, the whole team at bay.

lets acknowldge this fact and not sweep it under the carpet.

our next games are :
Iran-ksa .... in Iran
( N korea - uae, in korea. this game we can be pretty sure they'd win and become 10 points )


then we have rest
ksa- uae ( pretty sure ksa will win and get another 3 points )
South korea - n korea ( they both are above us and almost anything that happens will push us farther away from direct qualification )

so by end of April ( BEFORE THE HECTIC 3 GAME MONTH OF JUNE ) if we fail to beat the saudis, we will be the FOURTH team in the group.

Now, how many ppl are still saying "oh, it's nothing much" or .... ????
remember, almost all our rivals have got the 3 points in uae, but we failed.
and both the teams above us have beaten saudi and we have not !
we have also dropped the HOME GAME points.
So dont be too relaxed and luxurious with your praise or irrational support.

im not irrationaly supporting the team.
i have my own criticisms which i have mentioned even in this thread.
but i dont wanna exaggerate the problem, specially since, we still havent ACTUALLY COME 4TH IN THE GROUP!

if u wanna go with the "if" and "agar amma" situations, u can also look at the glass half full.....

i think draw was a fair result, and that byitself should tell u im not being irrationaly supportive otherwise i would say we deserved to win no matter what.

[Doctor DOOM]

Khosro Heydari must be wondering what he has to do to get into TM.

... along with MANY other players. MANY !!

[Hajagha]

I apologize for the pessimism in advance, but we are in no shape or form 'alive' or 'running'. We are officially OUT, as it stands, of an automatic qualification spot.

We still have to play, in order:

-Saudi in Tehran (for them, it's a do or die situation...will NOT be easy)
-NK in NK (top of the group, comfortable win today, NO pushovers)
-UAE in Tehran (could be our only 'easy' win, and how 'easy' - well based on the last match we had against the whipping boys of the group, not very..)
-SK in SK (...no need to even comment on this one)

These four games overall build a TOUGHER path than our previous four games. We have a MIGHTY task. Hopefully we will have automatically qualified before SK, but I'm not sure what the chances of that are either.

It's time to worry.

Faraz jan,

Your assumption is based on if N.Korea can do the same job in return's leg. I don't think they can and they will fall short, and the only thing will be left is their points taken from our bigger opponent, KSA. They only have 4 points and hopefully will remain 4 after their game in Tehran.

[kaz]

Very valid point Reza Jan and I quite agree with you. In fact Hashemian wasn't doing badly in shielding the ball and distributing it , but runners such as Borhani or Akbarpour could have been a better option.


I am becoming very nervous with Hossein Kaebi....and I am really dumbfounded by Daei's lack of disciplinary guidance to this young man...he is a liability in any game , even friendlies. While the coaching staff keeps quiet ( at least in public) , I am afraid Kaebi Shoorish dar miaad ..one of these days....and we will be playing with one man short in a crucial stage.


The goal conceeded was a classic Iranian Defence Dozing Syndrome ..

Khosro Heydari must be wondering what he has to do to get into TM.