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    Quote Originally Posted by kaltz View Post
    Your assistance is much appreciated. I have them all sorted now, and with shirts number 13 and 19 in use from kick-off, the two absent ones between 1 and 11 were 6 and 9.
    I am seeing this selection in lieu of a 4-3-3 formation, something like this:

    1 Abedzadeh
    2 Zarincheh - 4 Mohammadkhani - 5 Fonoonizadeh - 3 Moharrami
    7 Namjoomutlagh - 8 Ghayeghran (c) - 13 Eftekhari
    19 Garousi - 10 Bavi - 11 Kermani Mughaddam

    Of course, with this being based on a 35 minutes summary, it could well be that I am wrong regarding the formation, but this is how it appears to me from watching.
    Kermani Mughaddam and Namjoomutlagh are both quite active during that first half (incidentally, both would go on and be substituted after the break), and it is an impressive strike against the bar from the edge of the 18 yard area by the latter when Kermani Mughaddam lays it on to a plate for him. This appears to happen around the 15 minute mark. Iran continue to line up a number of chances throughout this summary, and you felt it had been very unfortunate that they didn't score until late in the game; there had certainly been opportunities.
    I had initially been trying to implement a couple of screenshots which I took, but either the size of them is too big or it is too early for me yet on this forum for the administrators to allow me to do that. It had looked like they'd been uploaded, but once completed, I could find no trace of them.

    Obviously, this is just one of Iran's six qualifiers for Italia '90, and two had already been played, with those away wins in Thailand and Bangladesh prior to this home fixture. I read briefly what you wrote about the journey to China, where the team was deprived of three of its best players, something which obviously was far from ideal when travelling to face such a strong opponent. Very unfortunate.

    Long shot: You wouldn't happen to know the identity of the Bangladeshi players as well? I am 100 % certain that the line-up which Eurosport presented on-screen was incorrect. When they managed to get the Iranian eleven so badly wrong, I can't imagine it being any better for the opposition. I notice they play with #2 and #3 (Hammid?) at the heart of their defence, among which the latter is their captain, and that they have #4 (Rashid?) at right-back (by the look of things). Other than that, their #7 (Dasropo?) looked like he had some tricks up his sleeve, and #9 (Islami?) definitely played up top. I need to study their players closer to get a better idea of their formation. They had won 3-1 at home to Thailand nine days earlier, which would prove to be their solitary win of that qualification, so I can imagine that they were on something of a high, even if they must have realized that playing away in Tehran was a whole different ball game than to play hosts to lowly Thailand.
    Hello and welcome to the forum;

    Just a few small notes - Despite having the same last names, Mohammad Ansarifard has no relation to current national team player Karim Ansarifard.

    Regarding the Bangladesh lineup, you can find some information for the 2 legs here, but I don't know if it is as in-depth as you require.

    Good luck on your research. I was too young for this tournament to really remember much!

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    Iran missed to qualify to final round by only freaking GOAL AVERAGE(If i am not wrong 2 goals average), we lost away to China 0-2 and won 3-2 at home while leading 3-0.
    With 3-0 result, we could have already beenn in final round i believe.
    Monajati used bunch of inexperienced players in China which have costed us the qualification.
    Also it was way harder to qualify back then compare to now, as only two teams qualified to WC from Asia until 1998.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nokhodi View Post
    Hello and welcome to the forum;
    Thank you! It is a tasty forum with a wealth of knowledge.
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    Just a few small notes - Despite having the same last names, Mohammad Ansarifard has no relation to current national team player Karim Ansarifard.
    Thanks for letting me know. For all I know, Ansarifard may be quite a common name in Iran. I was not sure, and since he was a player whom I was looking forward to watching for Team Melli during the 2014 World Cup, he was something of an early Iranian favourite player of mine. I was lending Iran my support throughout the tournament, which meant I had done some research on the team prior to the tournament, watching warm-up matches and so on. Alas, Karim Ansarifard, as you all well know, didn't turn out to be among the Team Melli stars of that particular tournament, though I am pleased to see that he's since made up for it since by having a distinguished club career.

    Supporting Iran during 2014 eventually saw me go on a two week vacation to your beautiful country. I had a week in Isfahan and a week in Tehran. I enjoyed both so much. And I got to see a league game both places, although I had to travel out of Isfahan and over to Fooladshahr to see Sepahan in action against Gostaresh. As I had enjoyed Ehsan Hajsafi's performances during the World Cup, I could not resist buying a Team Melli shirt with '3 Hajsafi' printed on the back. To my huge disappointment, it would turn out that he didn't feature in that game. Rumours had it that he was on his way to Hull City in England. I thought to myself..."how would anyone wish to swap Isfahan for a dull, grey English city like Hull?" Obviously, such a move never materialized, and I don't know whether there was anything in those rumours, which I learnt about when I was talking to local fans outside the Zob Ahan stadium (breathtaking scenery there, by the way!) prior to the game.

    In Tehran, I got to see Esteghlal against Foolad at the Azadi Stadium. Another overwhelming experience, and while I had again been hoping to see some of the World Cup stars in action, such as Sadeghi and Teymourian, I would have to make do with watching Heydari (although Teymourian did make it on during the second half). The locals were surrounding me and asking me like a thousand questions, as they realized I was a foreigner (I am Norwegian) - they were guessing I'm German, which is an understandable assumption to make
    I have since encouraged anyone with whom I've talked about my lone trip to Iran with to go and experience the country for themselves. They will never regret it.
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    Regarding the Bangladesh lineup, you can find some information for the 2 legs here, but I don't know if it is as in-depth as you require.
    Thank you again. I will definitely look into that and see what I can make of it.

    By the way, I need to learn about every single nation which took part in the Italia '90 qualifiers, which is a huge undertaking, but a very pleasing one from a personal point of view nevertheless. It has already brought me in connection with a lot of lovely, knowledgeable people around the world, and I am hoping to continue this trend. I am very grateful so far for the assistance which you people have given me.
    Quote Originally Posted by Nokhodi View Post
    Good luck on your research. I was too young for this tournament to really remember much!
    Thank you!
    I turned 17 during the summer of Italia '90, and I must admit I have greater knowledge on past events than on today's football.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iran_19 View Post
    Iran missed to qualify to final round by only freaking GOAL AVERAGE(If i am not wrong 2 goals average), we lost away to China 0-2 and won 3-2 at home while leading 3-0.
    With 3-0 result, we could have already beenn in final round i believe.
    Monajati used bunch of inexperienced players in China which have costed us the qualification.
    Also it was way harder to qualify back then compare to now, as only two teams qualified to WC from Asia until 1998.
    I wouldn't blame Monajati. He had built a cohesive unit with experienced players but IFF gutted the team with suspensions in the week leading up to the match. I recently read an interview online about Ghayeghran where a former player was talking about him. I forget who it was but he was alluding to a picture of players of that time including Ghayeghran where drinks were visible in the picture and he was swearing up and down that it wasn't what it seemed. I'll see if I can find it again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iran_19 View Post
    Iran missed to qualify to final round by only freaking GOAL AVERAGE(If i am not wrong 2 goals average), we lost away to China 0-2 and won 3-2 at home while leading 3-0.
    With 3-0 result, we could have already beenn in final round i believe.
    Monajati used bunch of inexperienced players in China which have costed us the qualification.
    Also it was way harder to qualify back then compare to now, as only two teams qualified to WC from Asia until 1998.
    It must have been a bit of a sickener to concede twice after leading 3-0 in that decisive tie against the Chinese.
    I read earlier in the thread that three of the more experienced squad members were withdrawn, possibly due to reasons out of Monajati's control, so for sure, that had a big say on how the loss in China came about.

    Who knows how Team Melli would've fared if they had been given the chance to prove themselves in that final group stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaltz View Post
    Thank you! It is a tasty forum with a wealth of knowledge.

    Thanks for letting me know. For all I know, Ansarifard may be quite a common name in Iran. I was not sure, and since he was a player whom I was looking forward to watching for Team Melli during the 2014 World Cup, he was something of an early Iranian favourite player of mine. I was lending Iran my support throughout the tournament, which meant I had done some research on the team prior to the tournament, watching warm-up matches and so on. Alas, Karim Ansarifard, as you all well know, didn't turn out to be among the Team Melli stars of that particular tournament, though I am pleased to see that he's since made up for it since by having a distinguished club career.

    Supporting Iran during 2014 eventually saw me go on a two week vacation to your beautiful country. I had a week in Isfahan and a week in Tehran. I enjoyed both so much. And I got to see a league game both places, although I had to travel out of Isfahan and over to Fooladshahr to see Sepahan in action against Gostaresh. As I had enjoyed Ehsan Hajsafi's performances during the World Cup, I could not resist buying a Team Melli shirt with '3 Hajsafi' printed on the back. To my huge disappointment, it would turn out that he didn't feature in that game. Rumours had it that he was on his way to Hull City in England. I thought to myself..."how would anyone wish to swap Isfahan for a dull, grey English city like Hull?" Obviously, such a move never materialized, and I don't know whether there was anything in those rumours, which I learnt about when I was talking to local fans outside the Zob Ahan stadium (breathtaking scenery there, by the way!) prior to the game.

    In Tehran, I got to see Esteghlal against Foolad at the Azadi Stadium. Another overwhelming experience, and while I had again been hoping to see some of the World Cup stars in action, such as Sadeghi and Teymourian, I would have to make do with watching Heydari (although Teymourian did make it on during the second half). The locals were surrounding me and asking me like a thousand questions, as they realized I was a foreigner (I am Norwegian) - they were guessing I'm German, which is an understandable assumption to make
    I have since encouraged anyone with whom I've talked about my lone trip to Iran with to go and experience the country for themselves. They will never regret it.

    Thank you again. I will definitely look into that and see what I can make of it.

    By the way, I need to learn about every single nation which took part in the Italia '90 qualifiers, which is a huge undertaking, but a very pleasing one from a personal point of view nevertheless. It has already brought me in connection with a lot of lovely, knowledgeable people around the world, and I am hoping to continue this trend. I am very grateful so far for the assistance which you people have given me.

    Thank you!
    I turned 17 during the summer of Italia '90, and I must admit I have greater knowledge on past events than on today's football.
    Wow! Thank you for sharing all that.
    I had no idea you're Norwegian! I am glad you were able to visit Iran and were able to enjoy our football a bit.
    2014 seems so far away now! We had very little hope for our national team that year, but they did well considering it was probably our least talented national team that made a World Cup.

    If you don't mind me asking, are you focusing on Italia 90 because of your own personal interest, or is this media/academic/book related?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nokhodi View Post
    Wow! Thank you for sharing all that.
    I had no idea you're Norwegian! I am glad you were able to visit Iran and were able to enjoy our football a bit.
    2014 seems so far away now! We had very little hope for our national team that year, but they did well considering it was probably our least talented national team that made a World Cup.
    I hadn't been aware that the 2014 crop of Team Melli players were not held in particularly high regard. I guess there is really a lot of expectations for the national team no matter the circumstances and no matter what players are available? Carlos Queiroz sure knew how to organize a defence, and I got the impression that he was well thought of among Iranian football fans whom I encountered during my visit there, but perhaps he was never the most daring when it came to swift, fluent and attacking football. Do you think Iran made it to the 2014 World Cup thanks to Queiroz or despite his presence?

    Indeed, visiting Iran was fantastic. To me, coming from the north of Europe, Iran is genuinely exotic. I wanted (also) to prove that any prejudice which western media try to influence people in this part of the world with is just...well, prejudice. I did not have one single bad experience with anyone over the course of my two weeks there. Perhaps I was fortunate, but I also believe that Persians are a very warm, hospitable people.

    Quote Originally Posted by Nokhodi View Post
    If you don't mind me asking, are you focusing on Italia 90 because of your own personal interest, or is this media/academic/book related?
    Well, along with an acquaintance of mine (we go a long way together on a Norwegian message board for football, probably since the mid noughties), he and I decided to make a go of creating an extensive Italia '90 website. We had had a lot of discussions already regarding what we both felt was the last 'mythical' World Cup, where there were several players in various teams which you had next to no knowledge about prior to the start of the tournament (unlike now, where no player is unknown when he makes a World Cup appearance), and we set the website up in July 2016. In more than five years since, we've only covered three of the six confederations in the qualification, so it is obviously a mammoth task, and one which will continue to dominate our lives for a long while yet. However, it is really a rewarding journey on a personal level. I wouldn't have wanted to be without it.

    I am aware it is a tournament which is often refered to as negative and dull, but I do not view it quite that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kaltz View Post
    I hadn't been aware that the 2014 crop of Team Melli players were not held in particularly high regard. I guess there is really a lot of expectations for the national team no matter the circumstances and no matter what players are available? Carlos Queiroz sure knew how to organize a defence, and I got the impression that he was well thought of among Iranian football fans whom I encountered during my visit there, but perhaps he was never the most daring when it came to swift, fluent and attacking football. Do you think Iran made it to the 2014 World Cup thanks to Queiroz or despite his presence?
    Our qualification to 2014 was mostly because of Queiroz.
    At first he tried implementing a attacking style of play, but we just couldn't handle it defensively and got into a real poor position (lost to Uzbekistan and Lebanon) when we usually would win such games. He changed the style of the team to a much more defensive manner, got rid of a few disruptive personalities (Rahmati and Aghili) and the rest is history. We won our remaining games (in particular away in Seoul), even thought the football wasn't pretty, and finished first in our qualification group.

    Once World Cup 2014 finished, with the inclusion of some great new young players, CQ tried more attacking football again, but sometimes it would bite us in the ass.

    Overall, most fans rate him highly, although as evident by discussions we are having on this forum already, some really didn't like his style and think eh is overrated.
    I am one of those who think he bought some consistency, professionalism and discipline to a football which had started taking things for granted just because we usually have the most talented individual football players in Asia.

    Quote Originally Posted by kaltz View Post

    Well, along with an acquaintance of mine (we go a long way together on a Norwegian message board for football, probably since the mid noughties), he and I decided to make a go of creating an extensive Italia '90 website. We had had a lot of discussions already regarding what we both felt was the last 'mythical' World Cup, where there were several players in various teams which you had next to no knowledge about prior to the start of the tournament (unlike now, where no player is unknown when he makes a World Cup appearance), and we set the website up in July 2016. In more than five years since, we've only covered three of the six confederations in the qualification, so it is obviously a mammoth task, and one which will continue to dominate our lives for a long while yet. However, it is really a rewarding journey on a personal level. I wouldn't have wanted to be without it.

    I am aware it is a tournament which is often refered to as negative and dull, but I do not view it quite that way.
    I completely understand your affinity to Italia 90. I am the same towards France 98!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nokhodi View Post
    Our qualification to 2014 was mostly because of Queiroz.
    At first he tried implementing a attacking style of play, but we just couldn't handle it defensively and got into a real poor position (lost to Uzbekistan and Lebanon) when we usually would win such games. He changed the style of the team to a much more defensive manner, got rid of a few disruptive personalities (Rahmati and Aghili) and the rest is history. We won our remaining games (in particular away in Seoul), even thought the football wasn't pretty, and finished first in our qualification group.

    Once World Cup 2014 finished, with the inclusion of some great new young players, CQ tried more attacking football again, but sometimes it would bite us in the ass.
    It certainly sounds like the man did best when he put in use his 'safety first' approach.

    I admit I have not always necessarily taken to a team which was generally acknowledged as being 'pleasing on the eye' (which is a little ironic, perhaps, as it was the '82 edition of Brazil which got me interested in football in the first place). I have always enjoyed studying the tactical aspects of things, and I felt Queiroz had instilled a very strong defensive discipline in that 2014 team. Of course, I understand and I agree that football is first and foremost about emotions, expressions and being impulsive, which I save for when I watch contemporary football (rather than late 80s stuff).

    Quote Originally Posted by Nokhodi View Post
    Overall, most fans rate him highly, although as evident by discussions we are having on this forum already, some really didn't like his style and think eh is overrated.
    I am one of those who think he bought some consistency, professionalism and discipline to a football which had started taking things for granted just because we usually have the most talented individual football players in Asia.
    Do you reckon that getting someone from abroad in, someone completely neutral (as I am thinking that there may be some problems in uniting, for example, Persepolis and Esteghlal fans), was vital for the sake of the national team?


    Quote Originally Posted by Nokhodi View Post
    I completely understand your affinity to Italia 90. I am the same towards France 98!
    Good! What were your favourite bits in that tournament?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KC McElroy View Post
    I wouldn't blame Monajati. He had built a cohesive unit with experienced players but IFF gutted the team with suspensions in the week leading up to the match. I recently read an interview online about Ghayeghran where a former player was talking about him. I forget who it was but he was alluding to a picture of players of that time including Ghayeghran where drinks were visible in the picture and he was swearing up and down that it wasn't what it seemed. I'll see if I can find it again.
    It sounds spicy. Please inform if you are able to retrieve that interview.

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