Can we ever produce a "Salah" level talent ?!

[naderb94]

we can have a player, imagine if ali akrimi when he was very young, he would have gone to europe, if ali karimi had the determination of mahdavikia , he would have become minimun european player of the year, or even world player. if he had gone to atletico instead of al-ahli he would have florished alot

not to mention the injury issues he had at bayern. AK8 by far had the most potential ever in iran history.

[Leicester City]

No, but we can produce a "Taremi" level talent.

Seriously though, imagine if he went to Europe earlier... Although, you could argue that he's a late bloomer and it's still not too late.

[BacheLot]

Salah is so freaking under-rated..its nearly incomprehensible why..? he's got the numbers to back it as one of the greatest ever but still hardly gets proper recognition for it..!! maybe its because he makes really difficult plays, moves, goals, look so damn trivial and easy...? or maybe is the racist british media/fans to blame..? i mean can you imagine the fking hype surrounding him by now if the guy was an english footballer...? or from brazil or other Western EU countries, for that matter..!?
i mean what the fk gives..??

[Taz]

He's hurt by the fact he's unable to drag his international side to become a serious team. Bit like Bale. He's also not as marketable in the Western market as a hairy Muslim and he's probably unconcerned with that side of crap. He's as dedicated in how he trains and looks after himself as Cristiano Ronaldo and he will rightly go down as one of the all-time greats. Currently, he's certainly top 3 forwards in the world and making a strong case to being number 1.

[diz]

He's hurt by the fact he's unable to drag his international side to become a serious team. Bit like Bale. He's also not as marketable in the Western market as a hairy Muslim and he's probably unconcerned with that side of crap. He's as dedicated in how he trains and looks after himself as Cristiano Ronaldo and he will rightly go down as one of the all-time greats. Currently, he's certainly top 3 forwards in the world and making a strong case to being number 1.

If Salah decided to "play" and "look" the part (trim cut, constantly taking off his shirt, etc), he'd give CR7 a run for his abs. Salah is a very physically cut and solid player. Even the Paramount+ announcer commented today on how he's worked on his physical strength over the past 2 years.

[diz]

This dude doesn't get nearly the credit he's due for his skills.

[Nokhodi]

Salah is also a really good lesson for youngsters in that he showed you can fail in a top level club in England (when he was at Chelsea even though it wasn't really his fault) and then come back and excel.

[Karimi 8]

That slow-motion clip is insane, he is very talented.

I think Ali Karimi is the most skilled player to ever come out of our country, it is amazing where he got to given the fact that he was playing gol-koochik in the streets until he was 19... A proper infrastructure, some more dedication (better diet / less time in shitty leagues), and some luck (avoiding his bad injury in Germany), and he could've been world class. But he will unfortunately always be known as the "what if" player for us.

He honestly seems to be in better shape now that he is retired, than for a large chunk of his playing career.

[Ab-Gosht]

That slow-motion clip is insane, he is very talented.

I think Ali Karimi is the most skilled player to ever come out of our country, it is amazing where he got to given the fact that he was playing gol-koochik in the streets until he was 19... A proper infrastructure, some more dedication (better diet / less time in shitty leagues), and some luck (avoiding his bad injury in Germany), and he could've been world class. But he will unfortunately always be known as the "what if" player for us.

He honestly seems to be in better shape now that he is retired, than for a large chunk of his playing career.

yes but lets not froget he was capped 127 times for Iran (3rd most in history) and scored 38 times (4th most in history). so it is what if but still he reached a lot of his potential just not all of it

[perspolis#1]

Its not a question of producing the talent, its about nurturing it. There is a lot of talent in Iran that is lost due to many factors. Some players that are less talented get farther because of conmections(like in US) and the infrastructure of youth development is nowhere near how it is in Europe, Africa, or S. America.

Our players either lack the fundamentals that Europeans look for in their rigid playing structure that is gained at thr youth level. How many times in IPL have you seen a player do an incredible dribble only to blast a ball to the 400th row? Or a poor trap or cross? This is addressed at youth level and things like Kia Academy help honestly.

The second issue is dedication. A lot of our players like familiarity and stay close to Iran. The risk takers are fewer in number. Dedication to training, proper diet, etc separates the elite from the average good player.

[Iran_19]

You need to be in Europe at age of 19-20, the exception like Taremi or AK8 happens but it is barely for our players.

I don't even consider african or north african players because they have France connection from early age but even Salah was at Basel around the age of 18-19. So what is happening to him is the result of all progresses he has made from young age. Even that he hit the wall at Cheslea at some point.

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[khodam]

We have. AK8, Kia, Azmon and Taremi are all world class players. Unfortunately they are slaves to where they are born and the Iranian football mafia.

[OFFSIDE_1]

the real question is, can Egypt ever produce a a "Salah" 2.0 level talent ?!

These players are sometimes once in a lifetime event. When they do happen, a big population of kids follow in their footstep and then you have a generation of football players looking to become the next Salah.

[inarsenewetrust]

Its not a question of producing the talent, its about nurturing it. There is a lot of talent in Iran that is lost due to many factors. Some players that are less talented get farther because of conmections(like in US) and the infrastructure of youth development is nowhere near how it is in Europe, Africa, or S. America.

Our players either lack the fundamentals that Europeans look for in their rigid playing structure that is gained at thr youth level. How many times in IPL have you seen a player do an incredible dribble only to blast a ball to the 400th row? Or a poor trap or cross? This is addressed at youth level and things like Kia Academy help honestly.

The second issue is dedication. A lot of our players like familiarity and stay close to Iran. The risk takers are fewer in number. Dedication to training, proper diet, etc separates the elite from the average good player.

I think another issue that ties in with point 2 is mentality.

Take our current TM setup. I think we have a few guys who very well have the talent to be playing a few levels above their current club (Ezatolahi, Gholizadeh, Azmoun just to name a few). For some reason it seems our guys do not have persistence of other nationalities. They work extremely hard initially but then with a bit of success they are pretty satisfied, whether knowingly or subconciously they arent as hungry as before. This is honestly somewhat of a cultural trait I notice among iranians too. Not that we have lazy people, quite the opposite, but rather we are too easily satisfied.

Even taking AK for example, it seems general consensus here is yeah he could have done more but he also achieved a lot considering circumstances. I have a feeling AK is (or more importantly was) overall satisfied with how his career was going/went. For a player of his talent such satisfaction should actually have been impossible.

We only have rare examples of players with special persistence mentality over a long period of time. I dont include taremi bc it took him many years to figure it out. Daei, Hashemian, Kia were the most obvious ones, and you can argue the first 2 on that list did not possess the natural talent of many of our guys since then who should have achieved much more.

Salah's consistency and desire to always take his game up a level it what sets him apart. His talent is undeniably brilliant, but to do on such a consistent basis is what allows him to get around the level only messi and ronaldo touched for so long.

[milad_b]

honestly players like son and salah are not better than Taremi or azmoun ! They are just lucky that:

A.) they were born in different country than iran ! south korea and egypt . (they have good relation with rest of the world)
B.) They fit their new team that can feed them goals! 80-90% of son's goals are spoon fed by his team mates!

Don't get me wrong son and salah are great players but they are no better than Azmoun and taremi.