Skocic set to lead Iran to World Cup after all

[AGC]

Taremi, Hajsafi and co ghalat kardan to run off to media and act like insolent kids. Tomorrow they will think theyre above others and can dictate things. Yes it is partly iffs fault but If Taremi is this disapproving he can sure as hell chose to not participate. This goes for all TM members.

Imagine a wrestler acting like them. They would get smacked no matter talent.

[inarsenewetrust]

If we pull an upset at WC. Do you guys realize how stupid some of you will look? Suspend judgements until after the world cup. Being a sceptic is sound and healthy.

Other than that: these rumour spreading and downright cremlology about CQs return was hilarious. First it was wait til monday last weekend, then pdfc cremlologists just kept on postponing date of cq return.

well we cant give skocic faith based on WC results that havent happened yet, and he has zero track record of ever producing (he also has zero track record of even producing results- of any kind in ACL, CL, etc).

What we can do is listen to the players, all of whom say we are currently on track for 4th place finish, even the ones that back Sko.

What we can do is look at the clusterfuck I described above, that Skocic himself contributed directly to, and ask why he made those decisions that so clearly damaged the unity and belief of the team in their head coach.

Forget CQ return, just try to explain the things that dont add up about his decision making in last fifa day

[inarsenewetrust]

Taremi, Hajsafi and co ghalat kardan to run off to media and act like insolent kids. Tomorrow they will think theyre above others and can dictate things. Yes it is partly iffs fault but If Taremi is this disapproving he can sure as hell chose to not participate. This goes for all TM members.

Imagine a wrestler acting like them. They would get smacked no matter talent.

please aziz. Dabir and Dorostkar are like it or not world class operators when it comes to Wrestling decisions, tactics, preparation.

Oona koja sko koja

[AGC]

You get respect and right by your side by doing right. When doing right in the face of wrong doers you have the moral upper hand. When playing by the rule books of khalafs no matter intention you become an asshole.

This is something players need to hear and understand. Taremi and co have no right to shove their subjective preferences down the throat of anyone.

[inarsenewetrust]

You get respect and right by your side by doing right. When doing right in the face of wrong doers you have the moral upper hand. When playing by the rule books of khalafs no matter intention you become an asshole.
This is something players need to hear and understand. Taremi and co have no right to shove their subjective preferences down the throat of anyone.

doing right is something he has definitely done. He almost single handedly got us to WC. Look at the number of points directly saved in qualification by Taremi goals in narrow games. During this time, he gave no interview, sko even cut him from a camp, he apologized, came back, and saved our ass. In the time between TM matches he was busy being our most successful legionairre ever and bringing more joy and respect to the Iranian flag and people than most athletes ever have.

He is simply informing you of the condition present at this moment. And he is clearly not alone.

The head coach needs to be held accountable for his decision making as in any other profession. He does not get cart blanche when he is causing shitshow after shitshow

[AGC]

please aziz. Dabir and Dorostkar are like it or not world class operators when it comes to Wrestling decisions, tactics, preparation.
Oona koja sko koja

Aziz weve had shit coaches in the past.

Dorostkar and Dabir are good but if you think wrestlers discipline came with them youre seriously mistaken.

[AGC]

doing right is something he has definitely done. He almost single handedly got us to WC. Look at the number of points directly saved in qualification by Taremi goals in narrow games. During this time, he gave no interview, sko even cut him from a camp, he apologized, came back, and saved our ass. In the time between TM matches he was busy being our most successful legionairre ever and bringing more joy and respect to the Iranian flag and people than most athletes ever have.

He is simply informing you of the condition present at this moment. And he is clearly not alone.

The head coach needs to be held accountable for his decision making as in any other profession. He does not get cart blanche when he is causing shitshow after shitshow

Nobody is denying his contributions. But he has no business dictating coach choice or issues like that. He can be the offspring of ronaldo and Messi for all i care. He has zero business opening his mouth.

[inarsenewetrust]

Aziz weve had shit coaches in the past.

Dorostkar and Dabir are good but if you think wrestlers discipline came with them youre seriously mistaken.

I just ask that if you are really interested in having discussion about these issues you read my post on previous page. I am trying not to be over emotional or insulting, but Skocic MUST be held accountable for HIS decisions. To hold him accountable after 3 losses in WC will be too late to avoid embarassment, and then we will ALL be culpable for sitting back and saying nothing when the PLAYERS were TELLING us that something major is wrong.

[inarsenewetrust]

Nobody is denying his contributions. But he has no business dictating coach choice or issues like that. He can be the offspring of ronaldo and Messi for all i care. He has zero business opening his mouth.

he definitely has business opening his mouth if the conditions in Doha for the camp last month were as disastrous as the entire team says they were. And nowhere in his latest interview did he even mention skocic by name, he simply discussed the state of the team and training sessions, last camp before the world cup. The people have a right to know what is going on from the mouth of the best players.

If Skocic doesnt want players to speak, he and the captains could resolve those issues behind closed doors and set appropriate boundaries. In the past this was done, I dont remember TM players having any independent interviews before the last world cup. The reality again is that his own man management skills are so weak that he fails to do these sort of things.

No koshtigir would dare turn around to dorostkar and Dabir or Khadem and say you are providing me with shit conditions to succeed, because a) its not true and b) those individuals have CV of international success that speaks for itself. You are comparing 2 situations that sit in different astroplanes

[AGC]

I just ask that if you are really interested in having discussion about these issues you read my post on previous page. I am trying not to be over emotional or insulting, but Skocic MUST be held accountable for HIS decisions. To hold him accountable after 3 losses in WC will be too late to avoid embarassment, and then we will ALL be culpable for sitting back and saying nothing when the PLAYERS were TELLING us that something major is wrong.

Yes accountability is important, but it is not my definition of accountability running like a vigilante to media and causing harm. It is the federation that should hold him accountable but we know that wont happen.

I wish I had an answer to how we could resolve that issue in tm but im afraid it wont and im afraid some measures as whistle blowing wont do.

Out of curiosity do you want my gratitude for keepimg it civil?

[Keshwardoost]

His decisions are bizarre to say the least. One of the many downsides of having somebody with his CV and experience leading a team to the world cup, he has no fucking clue what to do on prep side of things, camps, trainings, etc. He, self admittedly, leaves a lot of this aspects up to the federation, estili, etc. Only thing is, no coach of INTEGRITY who wants to prepare for the games of his life would leave all these elements up to a bunch of known to be incapable clowns.

First with the Canada camp: Yes, not his fault friendlies were cancelled BUT he could have easily asked Estili and others for a % chance that friendlies there could be cancelled, for whatever reason. Some very basic outside research on Sko's part would have confirmed this as a moderate possibility. In most likely event, Estili and Co would have given some (small) % that something happens and friendlies get cancelled. If not, Sko's outside research itself could have confirmed that (as many on this forum did). Given that this was the biggest friendly window, even a 5% chance of cancellations would be too big of a risk for any coach with experience regarding world cup preparations to take! He should vetoed the whole thing then and there and said he would rather confirm 3 actual friendlies with zero opportunity of cancellation.

Then the Qatar Camp: It was confirmed by members of IFF AND by Marijo Tot himself on Gol Bezan that the decision to camp in Qatar was that of the coaching staff. Not enough people are talking about this and it is actually the source of most of the player pushback against Sko. Nobody forced him to do this, it was simply an available option.

He failed to do his due diligence, he failed to check the weather conditions, he failed to confirm the state of the practice pitches. According to Tot, our assistant coach, the reasoning was that "other national teams are camping in qatar". Here in lies the crux of the issue: When you have no experience doing something, the classic first step is to look around you and see if you can copy what others are doing. Thats a glaring issue bc our team has its own concerns and special circumstances. Those teams that were "camping in Qatar" did not do so out of choice. They (Peru, Australia, New Zealand Costa Rica) did so because they had intercontinental playoffs that were scheduled there. And even those teams tried to minimize there time in Qatar beforehand (Peru played friendly in Spain vs NZ). It makes no sense why we would go there in such weather conditions where training was only permissible after 10pm.

It was because of this choice from Sko and Staff, that players were cooped up inside until nightfall every day. Instead of complaining how taremi admitted players were playing video games to pass the time, why dont you guys complain about how training could only start at 10PM because Sko chose, by his own accord, to take the team to Doha instead of remain in Tehran. The second point Tot made on the Doha decision was "in Tehran there are too many distractions". or something along those lines. Again, this stems from the insecurity and inexperience of the coaching staff themselves that by stationing the players in tehran for 2 weeks they don't feel confident about ensuring team's concentration. Major red flag! The players could afford to sleep at 2am because there was nothing happening training wise besides a short gym session until nightfall of the next day!

Adding insult to injury, you had players having to pay out of THEIR OWN POCKET for food and refreshments. Do you realize how insulting that is? Travel half the world during your vacation after long season in europe and you have to buy your own hydration and are cooped up in a hotel room because your head coach decided, without consulting the players, to take the team to a verified hell hole in the middle of the summer, and then not even have refreshments and lunch provided to you. Why doesnt anybody discuss these points instead of opening a "should we cut taremi" thread?

WE could have easily camped in tehran for 2 weeks and then travelled to doha the night before the game like the algerians did. We could have had double sessions in tehran, once in the morning and once in the evening, maximized our training time and kept the players in good spirits. Instead, Sko's own decisions and a frankly pathetic tendency to keep deferring TM scheduling to idiots that he has complete veto power over led to the feelings we saw after camp in Qatar (look at player's interviews in airport, interview of Hajsafi before camp compared to him joining Anti-Sko group afterwards). He lost their faith and has nobody but himself to blame.

And it doesnt help the actual content of the training sessions is level of Khoone be Khoone, or that he runs of to zagreb every 3 days. Maybe he didn't want more videos of the "training" to be leaked through V3 photographers.

Just for comparison, in CQ time he would personally verify the state of the training pitches for Camps long in advance. Even now when it comes to picking camp for WC, we can see that the head of security and estili (!!!!) were sent to Qatar to inspect the pitches and select the hotels. I can already smell impending disaster on week of world cup with the arrangements these types of people make. Meanwhile, CQ personally ensured we got the Lokomotiv Moscow camp that was reserved by Italy (who then faled to qualify for WC) by going to Russia in person and getting it ahead of many other interested teams. He did the same thing in Brazil 2014. Skocic again, seems to be deferring critical elements of preparation to unqualified people instead of taking the responsibility himself. Its hard for me to imagine before the most crucial event of somebody's professional life why they would leave so many things up to incapable people and chance...

Fantastic post. I just add, we even didnt get the cooled stadiums and pitches since the qualifying teams practiced there, they didnt even check our stadiums out before last second.

also big question, hashemian has been there for ages as assistant for several coaches, seen several preps, has own experiance as a player. did he advice against this ridiculous camp and also said anything about canada might get canceled?

PLZ Gol Bezan, next time you want to make an intervue and they want to send Tot, try get Hashemian insteead and ask him some pressuring questions such as: What do you se yourself contributing with, whats your asignments under training/during camps/in between camps. do you/did you advice skocic about conditions in qatar, do you point out what other camps you have experianced and coaches you experianced did good that TM can copy etc..

[AGC]

he definitely has business opening his mouth if the conditions in Doha for the camp last month were as disastrous as the entire team says they were. And nowhere in his latest interview did he even mention skocic by name, he simply discussed the state of the team and training sessions, last camp before the world cup. The people have a right to know what is going on from the mouth of the best players.

If Skocic doesnt want players to speak, he and the captains could resolve those issues behind closed doors and set appropriate boundaries. In the past this was done, I dont remember TM players having any independent interviews before the last world cup. The reality again is that his own man management skills are so weak that he fails to do these sort of things.

No koshtigir would dare turn around to dorostkar and Dabir or Khadem and say you are providing me with shit conditions to succeed, because a) its not true and b) those individuals have CV of international success that speaks for itself. You are comparing 2 situations that sit in different astroplanes

Doste aziz our wrestlers are working under shit conditions compared to other countries. And every coach is not a khadem nor dorostkar.

[inarsenewetrust]

Yes accountability is important, but it is not my definition of accountability running like a vigilante to media and causing harm. It is the federation that should hold him accountable but we know that wont happen.

I wish I had an answer to how we could resolve that issue in tm but im afraid it wont and im afraid some measures as whistle blowing wont do.

Out of curiosity do you want my gratitude for keepimg it civil?

and as mentioned in the interview (if you watched in full) Taremi's first recourse was not running to the media. He spoke to Sko, he spoke to individuals in the federation that at one time or another claimed they would take responsibility to hearing such concerns. He also added that at some stage the players had no idea who to go to inside the federation because they kept getting referred to different people (Nobody wanting to take accountability).

In this situation it makes sense to go to the most trustworthy, credible, reputable media outlet (Ferdosipour) and ensure some whistles are blown just so everybody is totally clear what is going on inside the camp. What happened in Qatar was unnacceptable and a direct result of the decisions made by skocic and his staff.

If tomorrow Dabir and Dorostkar took our National Wrestling team to a climate where they could only train 1 hour a day after nightfall, when staying in Tehran or another part of Iran was an available option, and the players did not have access to proper hydration and nutrition in said place, and had to pay for it out of their pocket, you can bet your bottom dollar Hassan Yazdani and co would raise hell. No professional athlete, much less ones trying to prepare for the most visible sporting competition on earth, should have to deal with preparation plan like that one. Or having to do roopayee behind the goal because the coaching staff invited too many players (31) to train at one time.

[AGC]

and as mentioned in the interview (if you watched in full) Taremi's first recourse was not running to the media. He spoke to Sko, he spoke to individuals in the federation that at one time or another claimed they would take responsibility to hearing such concerns. He also added that at some stage the players had no idea who to go to inside the federation because they kept getting referred to different people (Nobody wanting to take accountability).

In this situation it makes sense to go to the most trustworthy, credible, reputable media outlet (Ferdosipour) and ensure some whistles are blown just so everybody is totally clear what is going on inside the camp. What happened in Qatar was unnacceptable and a direct result of the decisions made by skocic and his staff.

If tomorrow Dabir and Dorostkar took our National Wrestling team to a climate where they could only train 1 hour a day after nightfall, when staying in Tehran or another part of Iran was an available option, and the players did not have access to proper hydration and nutrition in said place, and had to pay for it out of their pocket, you can bet your bottom dollar Hassan Yazdani and co would raise hell. No professional athlete, much less ones trying to prepare for the most visible sporting competition on earth, should have to deal with preparation plan like that one. Or having to do roopayee behind the goal because the coaching staff invited too many players (31) to train at one time.

The federation is a joke. They are holding election in WC years and didnt postpone it to after wc to hide their incompetent asses.

Skocic is small fry and for all we know its convenient for these scums running iff having naive iranians venting all their anger and frustration on him.

The iranian wrestling is in bad condition. 2013 wc they almost ran out of money for plane tickets. They dont give compensation to wrestling, we even had abdevali working as a street vendor selling food to get by.

Weve been terribly lucky to have good coaches these last 10 20 years. But look at how bana handles complaints. He till the wrestlers Iran owes them nothing and then he goes quarreling with a federation that pays him 1000 usd a month. He quarrels so much that his relationship with iwf is on off.

For all i know sko tried something similiar against iff but got into an altercation with the board?

[inarsenewetrust]

The federation is a joke. They are holding election in WC years and didnt postpone it to after wc to hide their incompetent asses.
Skocic is small fry and for all we know its convenient for these scums running iff having naive iranians venting all their anger and frustration on him.
The iranian wrestling is in bad condition. 2013 wc they almost ran out of money for plane tickets. They dont give compensation to wrestling, we even had abdevali working as a street vendor selling food to get by.
Weve been terribly lucky to have good coaches these last 10 20 years. But look at how bana handles complaints. He till the wrestlers Iran owes them nothing and then he goes quarreling with a federation that pays him 1000 usd a month. He quarrels so much that his relationship with iwf is on off.
For all i know sko tried something similiar against iff but got into an altercation with the board?

he didnt. If you are not fully aware of skocic independent decisions on these matters I would suggest conducting your own research into the matters. I have provided a synopsis of the events he was responsible for in the last FIFA day alone on the previous page. The decision to take the team to Qatar was Sko's and Sko's alone. He was not forced, he was not in altercation with anybody, he made an independent decision he now needs to answer for.

Honest discussion is a 2 way street. I have admitted to you that certain things (Canada cancellation) are not in Skocic's hands. However, many decisions still are and the fact he keeps making the wrong ones goes back to the point about a complete lack of experience and CV, in addition to a severe lack of due diligence on his part.

When somebody is so clueless when it comes to arranging the training schedule for the most camp of his professional life, what hope is there that this person produces miracle in WC that you are suggesting?

If you want to use analogies with wrestling, again I refer to my previous question. IF the head coach (Dorostkar) tomorrow said that for our longest camp before upcoming world championship we are camping in timbuktu in 120F where training cannot start until 10pm and will only last 1 hour, where there will be no food or drink provided for the players (they will have to pay out of their own pocket), the gym will be filled with mold and potholes, when the other option was to remain in tehran without of the aforementioned difficulties, would that be seen as acceptable in the eyes of the wrestlers? Would you consider any wrestler (lets say an olympic medalist) that speaks out publicly regarding that situation a "khalafkar" or say "hagh nadare harf bezane"? I seriously doubt it.