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    Club seem to have some decent investment behind them as well.



    new stadium.

    Besides Kozlowski who they sold to brighton for EU10 mil this Jan. (had lot of other interests too), they have made few other relatively expensive sales of their u20 players to italy (Cagliari, Parma) and Genk in the past 1-2 seasons as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inarsenewetrust View Post
    Club seem to have some decent investment behind them as well.



    new stadium.

    Besides Kozlowski who they sold to brighton for EU10 mil this Jan. (had lot of other interests too), they have made few other relatively expensive sales of their u20 players to italy (Cagliari, Parma) and Genk in the past 1-2 seasons as well.
    Never forget the nationality of their export. Except if Iranian does a great breakthrough in football and/or international relations,it will be harder for us

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    Quote Originally Posted by PSGman#19 View Post
    Never forget the nationality of their export. Except if Iranian does a great breakthrough in football and/or international relations,it will be harder for us
    Harder doesnt mean impossible. ARJ made it from nijmegen to PL, he did not have mentor or somebody to vouch for him on level of Kia.

    Azmoun will shortly make plunge to top 5 league, only guy vouching for him was tasbih holding Berdyev.

    Taremi at age 27 went from Al gharafa to europe and is now critical player for portugal's premier club.

    Milad from Rah ahan bench and chechen wilderness made it to starting in big EL games for at the time one of belgium's best teams. His own failings resulted in his decline since then.

    We can continue to play victim card, lot of odds stacked against us, that is true to an extent no doubt. But ultimately talent is recognized in europe. If you are truly good enough you will get the chance.

    This kid is starting from age 18. For past 8 years he has been trained in most european environment Iran has to offer. Regular tournaments in europe playing likes of ajax, RB salzburg, Barcelona, Bayern, etc, friendlies against likes of Shakhtar donetsk, Hamburg, and many others on regular basis, experience training with foreign coaches (many Hamburg academy guys went on rotation to Fc KIA for months at a time, including one who shortly after became head coach of senior side). In such an environment he was consistently the best player, in such tournaments he still managed to be the best or one of the best.

    OFC there is chance he doesnt amount to anything special, like with any young player. But Kia is likely the best talent spotter in all of Iran, maybe along with Daei (although he specializes in already professional players). I find it unlikely he invests so much time, effort, and trust into somebody who he thinks cannot make it to the top.

    Similar academies like Kia's also exist in other countries where youth development in football is not standarized. For example, Ghana's best academy is directly exporting players to Nordsjaelland, very small lower table Danish side.
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    This was path likes of Kudus (now ajax), Sulemana (now Rennes) have taken. Many others are being tested there as well, some fail and others become europes most sought after talents.

    If Kia can get similar arrangement going with this top polish team, or multiple similar arrangements with teams in other countries not in top leagues where they commit to helping these players development, providing them right conditions, and giving them real chance then that could be the start of a huge pipeline that gets around a lot of the issues with sanctions and transfers that usually harm our young players.

    I think this is exactly the idea Kia is going for. He just needs to get a few suitable european sides to commit to it.

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    ^ Top-3 analysis of the year 🤩

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    The kid's already training at a higher level than most of our TM starters, drink it in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taz View Post
    The kid's already training at a higher level than most of our TM starters, drink it in.
    This a league where they called a bum like Farshad Ahmadzadeh the Iranian Messi let’s not get too excited

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    Quote Originally Posted by 026121 View Post
    This a league where they called a bum like Farshad Ahmadzadeh the Iranian Messi let’s not get too excited
    and promptly shipped his ass back to iran after a highly successful 1 goal 1 assist campaign...lets not exaggerate. The level is good enough for an 18 year old with no pgpl minutes. The same ahmadzadeh who failed in poland (despite what seemed like a promising start) now is a key player for our best domestic side, sepahan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by inarsenewetrust View Post
    Harder doesnt mean impossible. ARJ made it from nijmegen to PL, he did not have mentor or somebody to vouch for him on level of Kia.
    Azmoun will shortly make plunge to top 5 league, only guy vouching for him was tasbih holding Berdyev.
    Taremi at age 27 went from Al gharafa to europe and is now critical player for portugal's premier club.
    Milad from Rah ahan bench and chechen wilderness made it to starting in big EL games for at the time one of belgium's best teams. His own failings resulted in his decline since then.
    We can continue to play victim card, lot of odds stacked against us, that is true to an extent no doubt. But ultimately talent is recognized in europe. If you are truly good enough you will get the chance.
    This kid is starting from age 18. For past 8 years he has been trained in most european environment Iran has to offer. Regular tournaments in europe playing likes of ajax, RB salzburg, Barcelona, Bayern, etc, friendlies against likes of Shakhtar donetsk, Hamburg, and many others on regular basis, experience training with foreign coaches (many Hamburg academy guys went on rotation to Fc KIA for months at a time, including one who shortly after became head coach of senior side). In such an environment he was consistently the best player, in such tournaments he still managed to be the best or one of the best.
    OFC there is chance he doesnt amount to anything special, like with any young player. But Kia is likely the best talent spotter in all of Iran, maybe along with Daei (although he specializes in already professional players). I find it unlikely he invests so much time, effort, and trust into somebody who he thinks cannot make it to the top.
    Similar academies like Kia's also exist in other countries where youth development in football is not standarized. For example, Ghana's best academy is directly exporting players to Nordsjaelland, very small lower table Danish side.
    See link:[Only registered and activated users can see links. ]
    This was path likes of Kudus (now ajax), Sulemana (now Rennes) have taken. Many others are being tested there as well, some fail and others become europes most sought after talents.
    If Kia can get similar arrangement going with this top polish team, or multiple similar arrangements with teams in other countries not in top leagues where they commit to helping these players development, providing them right conditions, and giving them real chance then that could be the start of a huge pipeline that gets around a lot of the issues with sanctions and transfers that usually harm our young players.
    I think this is exactly the idea Kia is going for. He just needs to get a few suitable european sides to commit to it.
    Didn't say it is impossible, just harder.
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    Quote Originally Posted by inarsenewetrust View Post
    and promptly shipped his ass back to iran after a highly successful 1 goal 1 assist campaign...lets not exaggerate. The level is good enough for an 18 year old with no pgpl minutes. The same ahmadzadeh who failed in poland (despite what seemed like a promising start) now is a key player for our best domestic side, sepahan.
    He’s only a key player because Navidkia let go of Mohebi to steal Moghanlu from Perspolis, Ahmadzadeh has a terrible scoring record wherever he plays, I watched most of Sepahans games he’s misses two open goals a game. Also, he wasn’t anything special even before signing for that Polish team and they still played him in over 20 games.

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    He'll join up with TM soon enough, in 4 or so years he'll have transferred to a much bigger European side if he keeps this attitude going.

    This is what Iran needs, glad that Mahdavikia is running his academy and I hope he'll manage to continue doing so. Took him what, roughly 8-9 years to get here? Kia FC might not make it to the top of ACL in the next 5 years, but if this trend continues (hopefully) they'll have won at least 1 or 2 in the next 10 years.
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