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  • Daei - Hashemian - Karimi

    1 2.44%
  • Daei - Karimi - Hashemian

    16 39.02%
  • Hashemian - Daei - Karimi

    1 2.44%
  • Hashemian - Karimi -Daei

    0 0%
  • Karimi - Daei - Hashemian

    21 51.22%
  • Karimi - Hashemian - Daei

    2 4.88%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sly View Post
    Daei did not progress. He was always as good, before and after his Bayern time. It was rather Karimi who regressed.
    I disagree. I think they both progressed. When you train and play with Bayern you progress.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC McElroy View Post
    I disagree. I think they both progressed. When you train and play with Bayern you progress.
    karimi's ball distribution and tactical awareness and classic AM play indeed improved massively druring his bayern spell ..!!
    oddly, often its only his dribbling which everyone raves and go gaagaa about..! when there is so sooooo much more refined sophistication and simple football briiliance with his overall game otherwise..!
    a tiki taka style, Total Team Performance sort of a football coach, like Guardiola is the type who would really appreciate AK8 as full package, top class all around mfdr/footballer...!! unfortunately for Ali he never really got a chance in his career to be paired with such a coach nor really a team who'd rely on that sort of playing style..!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BacheLot View Post
    karimi's ball distribution and tactical awareness and classic AM play indeed improved massively druring his bayern spell ..!!
    oddly, often its only his dribbling which everyone raves and go gaagaa about..! when there is so sooooo much more refined sophistication and simple football briiliance with his overall game otherwise..!
    a tiki taka style, Total Team Performance sort of a football coach, like Guardiola is the type who would really appreciate AK8 as full package, top class all around mfdr/footballer...!! unfortunately for Ali he never really got a chance in his career to be paired with such a coach nor really a team who'd rely on that sort of playing style..!
    that a lot to do with the era. Teams back then were still focussed on physical play, more direct style mechanical style. It was effective back then, and considering how teams were so conservatively oriented a strictly on the ground passing approach would have been hard to execute (very low blocks). Even more relevant, defenders main jobs were to defend back then. Thats all. Now all top teams have very capable ball playing CBs and full backs, essentially playmakers from the defensive line. This was pretty unheard of back then, even if top defenders were of course technically proficient.

    Considering all this, and the fact he was just coming from Qatar, he did quite well overall. Injury and not being emotionally adapted to german way of life were the main reason he didnt go farther.

    Daei and hash can both be categorized as failures I think. which in itself is not a dig against them, they still went on to have successful performances in bundesliga after bayern.

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    Honestly, they all really had bad luck.

    Daei was in a Bayern team that wanted to force Jancker in no matter what.
    Daei averaged 55' a game in Bayern, he came off the bench alot and was not allowed to gain a rhythm. He got only 68' of play in the Champions League in total which is just unfair. I remember he came on in the last 15 minutes of one of BM's games against Dynamo Kyiv and came close to scoring. This was before the big overhaul of German football post-2000. It was very much stuck in nurturing their own players no matter what - especially if they were big ox.

    Hashemian was just pure unlucky. He was bought in under the recommendation of Hittzfield, who left before the season started. Magath came and didn't like Hashemian at all. Poor guy didn't get to start much and averaged about 30' in the league. He was mostly used in the Cup. Really unfair although very typical of Bayern who buy out the league's best forwards, simply to crush their opponents.

    Karimi did quite well in season 1, and to me his first season is a success. I don't know what happened in season 2 but he seemed to give up. The bad part of his personality took over and he refused to even sign an extension. Magath really liked him and he didn't take advantage. Shameful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nokhodi View Post
    Daei was in a Bayern team that wanted to force Jancker in no matter what.
    He scored just about every other game for Bayern. I don't think one can argue with keeping him as a starting forward.
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    Another thing I just noticed is that Karimi also was for the most part a sub, playing only 4 full games. So I don't think Daei's sub minutes and stats can be used as justification when comparing their careers against each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KC McElroy View Post
    Another thing I just noticed is that Karimi also was for the most part a sub, playing only 4 full games. So I don't think Daei's sub minutes and stats can be used as justification when comparing their careers against each other.
    We can't really compare as they are in different positions completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BacheLot View Post
    karimi's ball distribution and tactical awareness and classic AM play indeed improved massively druring his bayern spell ..!!
    I disagree. Irrespective of his dribbling which I some times thought were a waste of time, he was always extremely good at ball distribution and his role as AM. If anything, the German style of football at his Bayern time took away his explosive, creative game and instead made him very passive.

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    Daei would have had a much better season if he didn't keep flying for every useless TM friendly game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _Navid_ View Post
    Daei would have had a much better season if he didn't keep flying for every useless TM friendly game.
    That's a very valid point.
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