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    Quote Originally Posted by kian_khosh View Post
    Pizzi will be impossible due to the fact that he coached Saudi, but Laudrup is a name which I feel a different way about.
    What is wrong with the bolded part? He is not Saudi Arabian.

    So you take Laudrup over Le Guen, Donadoni, Stoger, Pizzi, and Branko Ivankovic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarbaze-Vatan View Post
    What is wrong with the bolded part? He is not Saudi Arabian.
    So you take Laudrup over Le Guen, Donadoni, Stoger and Branko Ivankovic?
    I'll take my dog over Branko Ivankovic. Thankfully there is little chance of him being picked mainly because the players themselves resent him for the bullshit he pulled the last two years.

    This article mentions how the players have indicated they wouldn't accept Branko, and lists some of the reasons they don't like him, from mocking Azmoun and Ansarifard after the Tunisia game to claiming players gain weight during national training camps.

    به گزارش خبرورزشی، هفته گذشته خبری منتشر کردیم مبنی بر اینکه فدراسیون فوتبال منتظر است لیگ برتر تمام شود تا برانکو ایوانکوویچ جای کارلوس کی*روش را بگیرد. به هر حال حضور او محتمل است چراکه در سال*های گذشته در پرسپولیس موفق بوده و از سویی در گذشته روی نیمکت ایران نشسته است. برانکو موفق شد در جام ملت*های چین تیم ملی را سوم آسیا کند و در ادامه همراه ایران به جام جهانی ۲۰۰۶ هم برود. هر چند عملکرد ایران در آلمان خوب نبود و در گروه خود آخر شد. در حال حاضر مربیان درجه یک جهان اولاً حاضر نیستند به ایران بیایند و دوماً رقم*هایی به مراتب بیشتر از کارلوس کی*روش دریافت می*کنند. مربی پرتغالی در سال*های حضور در تیم ملی حرف*هایی بیان کرد که به نوعی پالس*های منفی برای دیگر مربیان فرستاد. او بار*ها از این گفت که تحریم*ها علیه فوتبال ایران بوده و رقبا در تلاش هستند تا تیم ملی را به انزوا بکشند. البته کارلوس تلاش کرد تا شرایط فوتبال ایران را به تصویر بکشد ولی قاعدتاً اگر یک مربی درجه یک چنین حرف*هایی را بشنود، ترجیح می*دهد به ایران نیاید و حداقل در کشوری کار کند که حداقل امکانات مورد نیاز برای فوتبال را داشته باشد. در این شرایط که حضور مربیان خارجی در تیم ملی محدود و محدودتر شده طبیعتاً برانکو یک گزینه آماده برای فدراسیون فوتبال است. او در تیم ملی بیش از کارلوس کی*روش هم دستمزد نمی*گیرد. همین حالا گفته می*شود دستمزد او در پرسپولیس حدود ۹۰۰ هزار دلار است. طبیعتاً او در تیم ملی بیشتر می*خواهد ولی رقم درخواستی*اش به اندازه مربیان مطرح نخواهد بود، اما آیا شرایط برای حضور برانکو در تیم ملی مهیاست؟ آیا توافق او و فدراسیون کافی است؟ منابع خبری در فدراسیون فوتبال می*گویند در داخل تیم ملی اوضاع برای حضور برانکو مهیا نیست و بعید به نظر می*رسد مهیا شود! تا پیش از جدایی کی*روش از تیم ملی او با برانکو مشکل داشت و این مشکل به تیم ملی هم تعمیم داده شده بود، به شکلی که بازیکنان هم در محافل دوستانه از سرمربی کروات انتقاد می*کردند. مصاحبه*های برانکو بعضاً دلخوری بازیکنان را هم در پی داشت. مثلاً او یک بار برای رد حرف*های کی*روش که می*گفت بازیکنان لیگ برتری باید آماده*تر شوند، بعد از بازی دوستانه ایران و الجزایر به کنایه گفت: «کریم انصاری*فرد و سردار آزمون در دقایقی از بازی مقابل الجزایر پرواز می*کردند و شاید به همین دلیل است که سرمربی تیم ملی چنین ادعای کرده.»
    پدر سردار به این اظهارات برانکو واکنش نشان داد. انصاری*فرد هم هر چند چیزی نگفت ولی کاملاً از برانکو شاکی بود. حتی در دوره*ای که برانکو گفته بود بازیکنان پرسپولیس با اضافه وزن از اردوی تیم ملی برمی*گردند، بعضی از آن*ها به شدت از دست او دلخور شدند. قصه رامین رضاییان و برانکو هم که کاملاً مشخص است. در هر صورت بعد از انتشار خبر حضور احتمالی برانکو به جای کی*روش، پالس*های منفی از داخل تیم ارسال شده و به نظر شرایط برای حضور او روی نیمکت ایران مهیا نیست. با این حال فدراسیون است که باید تصمیم نهایی را بگیرد و طبیعتاً اگر آن*ها بخواهند برانکو یا هرکس دیگری را سرمربی کنند، بازیکنان نمی*توانند تعیین*کننده باشند

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutbolGods View Post
    I'll take my dog over Branko Ivankovic. Thankfully there is little chance of him being picked mainly because the players themselves resent him for the bullshit he pulled the last two years.

    This article mentions how the players have indicated they wouldn't accept Branko, and lists some of the reasons they don't like him, from mocking Azmoun and Ansarifard after the Tunisia game to claiming players gain weight during national training camps.

    به گزارش خبرورزشی، هفته گذشته خبری منتشر کردیم مبنی بر اینکه فدراسیون فوتبال منتظر است لیگ برتر تمام شود تا برانکو ایوانکوویچ جای کارلوس کی*روش را بگیرد. به هر حال حضور او محتمل است چراکه در سال*های گذشته در پرسپولیس موفق بوده و از سویی در گذشته روی نیمکت ایران نشسته است. برانکو موفق شد در جام ملت*های چین تیم ملی را سوم آسیا کند و در ادامه همراه ایران به جام جهانی ۲۰۰۶ هم برود. هر چند عملکرد ایران در آلمان خوب نبود و در گروه خود آخر شد. در حال حاضر مربیان درجه یک جهان اولاً حاضر نیستند به ایران بیایند و دوماً رقم*هایی به مراتب بیشتر از کارلوس کی*روش دریافت می*کنند. مربی پرتغالی در سال*های حضور در تیم ملی حرف*هایی بیان کرد که به نوعی پالس*های منفی برای دیگر مربیان فرستاد. او بار*ها از این گفت که تحریم*ها علیه فوتبال ایران بوده و رقبا در تلاش هستند تا تیم ملی را به انزوا بکشند. البته کارلوس تلاش کرد تا شرایط فوتبال ایران را به تصویر بکشد ولی قاعدتاً اگر یک مربی درجه یک چنین حرف*هایی را بشنود، ترجیح می*دهد به ایران نیاید و حداقل در کشوری کار کند که حداقل امکانات مورد نیاز برای فوتبال را داشته باشد. در این شرایط که حضور مربیان خارجی در تیم ملی محدود و محدودتر شده طبیعتاً برانکو یک گزینه آماده برای فدراسیون فوتبال است. او در تیم ملی بیش از کارلوس کی*روش هم دستمزد نمی*گیرد. همین حالا گفته می*شود دستمزد او در پرسپولیس حدود ۹۰۰ هزار دلار است. طبیعتاً او در تیم ملی بیشتر می*خواهد ولی رقم درخواستی*اش به اندازه مربیان مطرح نخواهد بود، اما آیا شرایط برای حضور برانکو در تیم ملی مهیاست؟ آیا توافق او و فدراسیون کافی است؟ منابع خبری در فدراسیون فوتبال می*گویند در داخل تیم ملی اوضاع برای حضور برانکو مهیا نیست و بعید به نظر می*رسد مهیا شود! تا پیش از جدایی کی*روش از تیم ملی او با برانکو مشکل داشت و این مشکل به تیم ملی هم تعمیم داده شده بود، به شکلی که بازیکنان هم در محافل دوستانه از سرمربی کروات انتقاد می*کردند. مصاحبه*های برانکو بعضاً دلخوری بازیکنان را هم در پی داشت. مثلاً او یک بار برای رد حرف*های کی*روش که می*گفت بازیکنان لیگ برتری باید آماده*تر شوند، بعد از بازی دوستانه ایران و الجزایر به کنایه گفت: «کریم انصاری*فرد و سردار آزمون در دقایقی از بازی مقابل الجزایر پرواز می*کردند و شاید به همین دلیل است که سرمربی تیم ملی چنین ادعای کرده.»
    پدر سردار به این اظهارات برانکو واکنش نشان داد. انصاری*فرد هم هر چند چیزی نگفت ولی کاملاً از برانکو شاکی بود. حتی در دوره*ای که برانکو گفته بود بازیکنان پرسپولیس با اضافه وزن از اردوی تیم ملی برمی*گردند، بعضی از آن*ها به شدت از دست او دلخور شدند. قصه رامین رضاییان و برانکو هم که کاملاً مشخص است. در هر صورت بعد از انتشار خبر حضور احتمالی برانکو به جای کی*روش، پالس*های منفی از داخل تیم ارسال شده و به نظر شرایط برای حضور او روی نیمکت ایران مهیا نیست. با این حال فدراسیون است که باید تصمیم نهایی را بگیرد و طبیعتاً اگر آن*ها بخواهند برانکو یا هرکس دیگری را سرمربی کنند، بازیکنان نمی*توانند تعیین*کننده باشند

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    Do not believe every bullshit media writes. If they do not find a decent foreign coach outside Iran Branko Ivankovic will be the top choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarbaze-Vatan View Post
    Do not believe every bullshit media writes. If they do not find a decent foreign coach outside Iran Branko Ivankovic will be the top choice.
    Yeah we shouldn't believe bullshit the media writes. We should only believe bullshit posted by "Perspolis4ever" twitter accounts.

    The resentment from Ansarifard and Azmoun is not a secret. Especially Azmoun whose father responded to that charlatan and ended up being attacked for weeks by patriotic red fans!

    And that's just those two. When the players are busting their asses in training camp and the moron says "they're getting fat" you think they're going to like it?...

    Perspolis can keep Branko. He may be shit by world standards but he's good enough to beat giants of world football like "Padideh" in penalty kicks. Enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutbolGods View Post
    Yeah we shouldn't believe bullshit the media writes. We should only believe bullshit posted by "Perspolis4ever" twitter accounts.

    The resentment from Ansarifard and Azmoun is not a secret. Especially Azmoun whose father responded to that charlatan and ended up being attacked for weeks by patriotic red fans!

    And that's just those two. When the players are busting their asses in training camp and the moron says "they're getting fat" you think they're going to like it?...

    Perspolis can keep Branko. He may be shit by world standards but he's good enough to beat giants of world football like "Padideh" in penalty kicks. Enjoy.
    CQ is charlatan. Branko is known as gentlemen everywhere. He has PHD degree as well. Branko took Perspolis to ACL final despite transfer ban for two seasons something CQ can never achieve. Ansarifard never said anything against Branko. IMO he should not be invited anymore. Azmoun is known for childish behavior. Branko is highly respected among Iran football players like Shojaei, Pouraligajni, Karimi, etc.

    Listen CQ lost 3-0 to Japan. He only had one official match against Australia, Japan, and KSA and lost that one 3-0. If Ali Daei was fortunate enough to have Uzbekistan in his qualifying group instead of Saudi Arabia like trickster CQ, he would not have been sacked. In fact he would have qualified us to the WC as well. Enjoy with the comments CQ always make to fool fans like you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarbaze-Vatan View Post
    CQ is charlatan. Branko is known as gentlemen everywhere..
    Listen to yourself please

    Quote Originally Posted by Sarbaze-Vatan View Post
    Do not believe every bullshit media writes.
    Branko is far from a gentleman. That is the media portrayal of him in Iran, but a lot of people are aware of his dodgy dealings with players who were amongst our most talented in 2006 with his club links, and various other shenanigans over the years. Your "professor" isn't the angel he works hard on his image for.


    If anything, we on this site are a minority because most of us don't listen to the social media deceit and make our own minds about these things based on our position outside the Iranian media soap opera. So please, no one is going to be convinced otherwise by your "branko is known as gentlemen everywhere"

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    Quote Originally Posted by FutbolGods View Post
    Yeah we shouldn't believe bullshit the media writes. We should only believe bullshit posted by "Perspolis4ever" twitter accounts.

    The resentment from Ansarifard and Azmoun is not a secret. Especially Azmoun whose father responded to that charlatan and ended up being attacked for weeks by patriotic red fans!

    And that's just those two. When the players are busting their asses in training camp and the moron says "they're getting fat" you think they're going to like it?...

    Perspolis can keep Branko. He may be shit by world standards but he's good enough to beat giants of world football like "Padideh" in penalty kicks. Enjoy.
    Branko Ivankovic at least did not lost to Japan 3-0. He even beat Japan 2-1. Mark my words he is favorite to be the next head coach of national team if IFF does not find a decent foreign coach outside Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DR Strangemoosh View Post
    Listen to yourself please



    Branko is far from a gentleman. That is the media portrayal of him in Iran, but a lot of people are aware of his dodgy dealings with players who were amongst our most talented in 2006 with his club links, and various other shenanigans over the years. Your "professor" isn't the angel he works hard on his image for.


    If anything, we on this site are a minority because most of us don't listen to the social media deceit and make our own minds about these things based on our position outside the Iranian media soap opera. So please, no one is going to be convinced otherwise by your "branko is known as gentlemen everywhere"
    What you said is totally irrelevant.

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    Haha In the following link which was in 2017, Branko Ivankovic said the national team coach should not have more than 1 month annual leave but CQ is never in Iran.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarbaze-Vatan View Post
    Branko Ivankovic at least did not lost to Japan 3-0. He even beat Japan 2-1. Mark my words he is favorite to be the next head coach of national team if IFF does not find a decent foreign coach outside Iran.
    I really hope so, at least then people will again appreciate all the things that CQ did in the long-term which aren't quantifiable.

    Once we go back to the slapping on the pitch of 2004 and not passing to each other/not talking to each other of 2006 we'll see just one of the many MANY reasons why Branko was poisonous for TM in the LONG TERM

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    The Branko effect for TM.

    - SPINELESSNESS: Sticking with one goalkeeper (Mirzapour) who was error-prone, and not even giving a chance to test other alternatives, and there were a few (contrast with CQ). Not altering his tactics and game plan, and keeping with the same formations/line-ups for every damn game. He just didn't want to experiment and try different players, he didn't like any chance. We had a series of very feeble performances in the 2005-early 2006 period but NOTHING was changed after them, and he had a lot more new talent at his disposal than his predecessors (remember poor Pourheidari who had a midfield of Fekri, Navazi, Halali to pick from)

    - OUTSIDE INFLUENCE: Branko let himself be influenced too much by player agents such as Reza Fazeli who was in the TM camp for the World Cup, and we all know that it affected the team spirit. He also let Daei dictate matters far too much in terms of team selection.

    - TEAM SPIRIT: Our team spirit was the worst for WC06 when players were even refusing to pass to each other, let alone speaking with each other, or even slapping each other on the pitch in the most embarrassing event of iranian football history (contrast with CQ and the tight-knit unit he has built)

    - TACTICAL NONSENSE: After finally bringing Bayern Munich's Hashemian back into the fold, he pushed him out to the wing (absolute no man's land) to accommodate a stagnant Ali Daei, who was playing 90 minutes for every game, not even subbed out for young strikers to get a chance to get some game time.

    - TROLLING: Bringing Khatibi back to TM, starting him and Enayati. Khatibi was a constant source of frustration, the worst finisher we have ever had internationally, how he had so many caps no one can explain (well, apart from Branko and Khatibi's agent at the time Fazeli probably).

    - POOR TEAM SELECTION: When we had more talented players, I never understood why Branko picked Badavi, Alavi, Kameli Mofrad, Khatibi, Sattar Zare. He had a favoured group of players who he stuck with, who were worse than a number of their peers in IPL. His team selections were often the antithesis of meritocracy, contrast with the most recent coach.

    - OGHDEH - Falling out with his prized player when the latter refused to move to Dynamo Zagreb in 2005. At the time he was the only two-footed playmaker apart from Karimi and he was player of the year in IPL at the age of 21. He was just dropped after Branko's lajbaazi.

    - STIFLING DEVELOPMENT - We had, at the time, arguably our brightest crop of aged 18-22 youngsters who all looked very talented. They weren't given enough playing time internationally to develop and ended up dwindling, as the coach just kept playing the same people for 90 minutes regardless of how they performed (contrast with CQ). Everyone remembers how healthily these players were developing until they hit a brick wall of a coach who just didn't give them the opportunities that e.g. Queiroz gave Azmoun, Beiranvand, Taremi, Ezatollahi and many more

    - CONDITIONING AND INJURIES - His obsession with playing long-term injured players when they still needed recovery was long-lasting for some of our most promising players in that era some of whom never really recovered. Instead of waiting for players to be 100% fit.

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