100 Games under CQ/ Full Stats and statistical breakdown

[Pouya]

[OSTAD POOYA]

Tooleh jaan I don't get why you keep putting up the same photo over and over again. CQ coached Iran 100 times. Your stats shows his at 93 games. That in itself if sufficient to put that photo in the garbage. Now if you want to bring on something official be my guest. But as indicated your argument has been defeated over 10 times already.

[Camran khan]

I'm just going to leave this here

Full national team matches, including friendlies (NO U23 GAMES) for Branko and Queiroz as national team coaches. As per data on FIFA website and teammelli.com



If you think "Stats are everything", then don't post fake stats. Makes you a fake person.

Lol almost twice as many games yet only 4 more losses...

[Sly]

I'm just going to leave this here

Full national team matches, including friendlies (NO U23 GAMES) for Branko and Queiroz as national team coaches. As per data on FIFA website and teammelli.com



If you think "Stats are everything", then don't post fake stats. Makes you a fake person.

If that is true, then it only shows Branko wasn't that bad after all, ay? Count in U23 and he's actually done very well as a head coach in Iran!

I think it is time, people stopped talking shit about him only because some eses and pespes fans wanted their favorite players in TM and he refused them that.

[DR Strangemoosh]

If that is true, then it only shows Branko wasn't that bad after all, ay? Count in U23 and he's actually done very well as a head coach in Iran!

I think it is time, people stopped talking shit about him only because some eses and pespes fans wanted their favorite players in TM and he refused them that.

Yes, his full national team statistics are pretty good and just >1% worse than Queiroz overall, certainly he was a better coach in terms of results than a good number of other coaches we have had. He also did very well in the Asian Games. We definitely have to give credit where credit's due!

Posting these stats is just in response to someone who says "stats are everything".

In practice, a lot of important things about the health and future of a national team are not entirely quantifiable. Remember the mood in the camp in the early parts of Branko's tenure? Remember how it got so poisoned towards the end, and what he handed over to his successors.

BTW (regarding other thread), you're right - Daei did actually do OK and criticism of his time is over-the-top I found, particularly given the young players he introduced to TM.
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The Branko effect for TM.


- SPINELESSNESS: Sticking with one goalkeeper (Mirzapour) who was error-prone, and not even giving a chance to test other alternatives, and there were a few (contrast with CQ). Not altering his tactics and game plan, and keeping with the same formations/line-ups for every damn game. He just didn't want to experiment and try different players, he didn't like any chance. We had a series of very feeble performances in the 2005-early 2006 period but NOTHING was changed after them, and he had a lot more new talent at his disposal than his predecessors (remember poor Pourheidari who had a midfield of Fekri, Navazi, Halali to pick from)

- OUTSIDE INFLUENCE: Branko let himself be influenced too much by player agents such as Reza Fazeli who was in the TM camp for the World Cup, and we all know that it affected the team spirit. He also let Daei dictate matters far too much in terms of team selection.

- TEAM SPIRIT: Our team spirit was the worst for WC06 when players were even refusing to pass to each other, let alone speaking with each other, or even slapping each other on the pitch in the most embarrassing event of iranian football history (contrast with CQ and the tight-knit unit he has built)

- TACTICAL NONSENSE: After finally bringing Bayern Munich's Hashemian back into the fold, he pushed him out to the wing (absolute no man's land) to accommodate a stagnant Ali Daei, who was playing 90 minutes for every game, not even subbed out for young strikers to get a chance to get some game time.

- TROLLING: Bringing Khatibi back to TM, starting him and Enayati. Khatibi was a constant source of frustration, the worst finisher we have ever had internationally, how he had so many caps no one can explain (well, apart from Branko and Khatibi's agent at the time Fazeli probably).

- POOR TEAM SELECTION: When we had more talented players, I never understood why Branko picked Badavi, Alavi, Kameli Mofrad, Khatibi, Sattar Zare. He had a favoured group of players who he stuck with, who were worse than a number of their peers in IPL. His team selections were often the antithesis of meritocracy, contrast with the most recent coach.

- OGHDEH - Falling out with his prized player when the latter refused to move to Dynamo Zagreb in 2005. At the time he was the only two-footed playmaker apart from Karimi and he was player of the year in IPL at the age of 21. He was just dropped after Branko's lajbaazi.

- STIFLING DEVELOPMENT - We had, at the time, arguably our brightest crop of aged 18-22 youngsters who all looked very talented. They weren't given enough playing time internationally to develop and ended up dwindling, as the coach just kept playing the same people for 90 minutes regardless of how they performed (contrast with CQ). Everyone remembers how healthily these players were developing until they hit a brick wall of a coach who just didn't give them the opportunities that e.g. Queiroz gave Azmoun, Beiranvand, Taremi, Ezatollahi and many more

- CONDITIONING AND INJURIES - His obsession with playing long-term injured players when they still needed recovery was long-lasting for some of our most promising players in that era some of whom never really recovered. Instead of waiting for players to be 100% fit.

[tooleh khers]

Yes, his full national team statistics are pretty good and just >1% worse than Queiroz overall, certainly he was a better coach in terms of results than a good number of other coaches we have had. He also did very well in the Asian Games. We definitely have to give credit where credit's due!

Posting these stats is just in response to someone who says "stats are everything".

In practice, a lot of important things about the health and future of a national team are not entirely quantifiable. Remember the mood in the camp in the early parts of Branko's tenure? Remember how it got so poisoned towards the end, and what he handed over to his successors.

BTW (regarding other thread), you're right - Daei did actually do OK and criticism of his time is over-the-top I found, particularly given the young players he introduced to TM.
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The Branko effect for TM.


- SPINELESSNESS: Sticking with one goalkeeper (Mirzapour) who was error-prone, and not even giving a chance to test other alternatives, and there were a few (contrast with CQ). Not altering his tactics and game plan, and keeping with the same formations/line-ups for every damn game. He just didn't want to experiment and try different players, he didn't like any chance. We had a series of very feeble performances in the 2005-early 2006 period but NOTHING was changed after them, and he had a lot more new talent at his disposal than his predecessors (remember poor Pourheidari who had a midfield of Fekri, Navazi, Halali to pick from)

- OUTSIDE INFLUENCE: Branko let himself be influenced too much by player agents such as Reza Fazeli who was in the TM camp for the World Cup, and we all know that it affected the team spirit. He also let Daei dictate matters far too much in terms of team selection.

- TEAM SPIRIT: Our team spirit was the worst for WC06 when players were even refusing to pass to each other, let alone speaking with each other, or even slapping each other on the pitch in the most embarrassing event of iranian football history (contrast with CQ and the tight-knit unit he has built)

- TACTICAL NONSENSE: After finally bringing Bayern Munich's Hashemian back into the fold, he pushed him out to the wing (absolute no man's land) to accommodate a stagnant Ali Daei, who was playing 90 minutes for every game, not even subbed out for young strikers to get a chance to get some game time.

- TROLLING: Bringing Khatibi back to TM, starting him and Enayati. Khatibi was a constant source of frustration, the worst finisher we have ever had internationally, how he had so many caps no one can explain (well, apart from Branko and Khatibi's agent at the time Fazeli probably).

- POOR TEAM SELECTION: When we had more talented players, I never understood why Branko picked Badavi, Alavi, Kameli Mofrad, Khatibi, Sattar Zare. He had a favoured group of players who he stuck with, who were worse than a number of their peers in IPL. His team selections were often the antithesis of meritocracy, contrast with the most recent coach.

- OGHDEH - Falling out with his prized player when the latter refused to move to Dynamo Zagreb in 2005. At the time he was the only two-footed playmaker apart from Karimi and he was player of the year in IPL at the age of 21. He was just dropped after Branko's lajbaazi.

- STIFLING DEVELOPMENT - We had, at the time, arguably our brightest crop of aged 18-22 youngsters who all looked very talented. They weren't given enough playing time internationally to develop and ended up dwindling, as the coach just kept playing the same people for 90 minutes regardless of how they performed (contrast with CQ). Everyone remembers how healthily these players were developing until they hit a brick wall of a coach who just didn't give them the opportunities that e.g. Queiroz gave Azmoun, Beiranvand, Taremi, Ezatollahi and many more

- CONDITIONING AND INJURIES - His obsession with playing long-term injured players when they still needed recovery was long-lasting for some of our most promising players in that era some of whom never really recovered. Instead of waiting for players to be 100% fit.

[tooleh khers]

Tooleh jaan I don't get why you keep putting up the same photo over and over again. CQ coached Iran 100 times. Your stats shows his at 93 games. That in itself if sufficient to put that photo in the garbage. Now if you want to bring on something official be my guest. But as indicated your argument has been defeated over 10 times already.

Not even close. You can dispute one item from those tables. I can give you that item and CQ is still not as good (stats wise) as Branko. He just isn't. I am no Branko fan but have been trolled into responding time and time again because it is not even close. CQ has not won anything. Not even a WAFF.

[KC McElroy]

Yes, his full national team statistics are pretty good and just >1% worse than Queiroz overall, certainly he was a better coach in terms of results than a good number of other coaches we have had. He also did very well in the Asian Games. We definitely have to give credit where credit's due!

Posting these stats is just in response to someone who says "stats are everything".

In practice, a lot of important things about the health and future of a national team are not entirely quantifiable. Remember the mood in the camp in the early parts of Branko's tenure? Remember how it got so poisoned towards the end, and what he handed over to his successors.

BTW (regarding other thread), you're right - Daei did actually do OK and criticism of his time is over-the-top I found, particularly given the young players he introduced to TM.
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The Branko effect for TM.


- SPINELESSNESS: Sticking with one goalkeeper (Mirzapour) who was error-prone, and not even giving a chance to test other alternatives, and there were a few (contrast with CQ). Not altering his tactics and game plan, and keeping with the same formations/line-ups for every damn game. He just didn't want to experiment and try different players, he didn't like any chance. We had a series of very feeble performances in the 2005-early 2006 period but NOTHING was changed after them, and he had a lot more new talent at his disposal than his predecessors (remember poor Pourheidari who had a midfield of Fekri, Navazi, Halali to pick from)

- OUTSIDE INFLUENCE: Branko let himself be influenced too much by player agents such as Reza Fazeli who was in the TM camp for the World Cup, and we all know that it affected the team spirit. He also let Daei dictate matters far too much in terms of team selection.

- TEAM SPIRIT: Our team spirit was the worst for WC06 when players were even refusing to pass to each other, let alone speaking with each other, or even slapping each other on the pitch in the most embarrassing event of iranian football history (contrast with CQ and the tight-knit unit he has built)

- TACTICAL NONSENSE: After finally bringing Bayern Munich's Hashemian back into the fold, he pushed him out to the wing (absolute no man's land) to accommodate a stagnant Ali Daei, who was playing 90 minutes for every game, not even subbed out for young strikers to get a chance to get some game time.

- TROLLING: Bringing Khatibi back to TM, starting him and Enayati. Khatibi was a constant source of frustration, the worst finisher we have ever had internationally, how he had so many caps no one can explain (well, apart from Branko and Khatibi's agent at the time Fazeli probably).

- POOR TEAM SELECTION: When we had more talented players, I never understood why Branko picked Badavi, Alavi, Kameli Mofrad, Khatibi, Sattar Zare. He had a favoured group of players who he stuck with, who were worse than a number of their peers in IPL. His team selections were often the antithesis of meritocracy, contrast with the most recent coach.

- OGHDEH - Falling out with his prized player when the latter refused to move to Dynamo Zagreb in 2005. At the time he was the only two-footed playmaker apart from Karimi and he was player of the year in IPL at the age of 21. He was just dropped after Branko's lajbaazi.

- STIFLING DEVELOPMENT - We had, at the time, arguably our brightest crop of aged 18-22 youngsters who all looked very talented. They weren't given enough playing time internationally to develop and ended up dwindling, as the coach just kept playing the same people for 90 minutes regardless of how they performed (contrast with CQ). Everyone remembers how healthily these players were developing until they hit a brick wall of a coach who just didn't give them the opportunities that e.g. Queiroz gave Azmoun, Beiranvand, Taremi, Ezatollahi and many more

- CONDITIONING AND INJURIES - His obsession with playing long-term injured players when they still needed recovery was long-lasting for some of our most promising players in that era some of whom never really recovered. Instead of waiting for players to be 100% fit.

You have made some great points.

[Sly]

Yes, his full national team statistics are pretty good and just >1% worse than Queiroz overall, certainly he was a better coach in terms of results than a good number of other coaches we have had. He also did very well in the Asian Games. We definitely have to give credit where credit's due!
Posting these stats is just in response to someone who says "stats are everything".
In practice, a lot of important things about the health and future of a national team are not entirely quantifiable. Remember the mood in the camp in the early parts of Branko's tenure? Remember how it got so poisoned towards the end, and what he handed over to his successors.
BTW (regarding other thread), you're right - Daei did actually do OK and criticism of his time is over-the-top I found, particularly given the young players he introduced to TM.
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The Branko effect for TM.

- SPINELESSNESS: Sticking with one goalkeeper (Mirzapour) who was error-prone, and not even giving a chance to test other alternatives, and there were a few (contrast with CQ). Not altering his tactics and game plan, and keeping with the same formations/line-ups for every damn game. He just didn't want to experiment and try different players, he didn't like any chance. We had a series of very feeble performances in the 2005-early 2006 period but NOTHING was changed after them, and he had a lot more new talent at his disposal than his predecessors (remember poor Pourheidari who had a midfield of Fekri, Navazi, Halali to pick from)
- OUTSIDE INFLUENCE: Branko let himself be influenced too much by player agents such as Reza Fazeli who was in the TM camp for the World Cup, and we all know that it affected the team spirit. He also let Daei dictate matters far too much in terms of team selection.
- TEAM SPIRIT: Our team spirit was the worst for WC06 when players were even refusing to pass to each other, let alone speaking with each other, or even slapping each other on the pitch in the most embarrassing event of iranian football history (contrast with CQ and the tight-knit unit he has built)
- TACTICAL NONSENSE: After finally bringing Bayern Munich's Hashemian back into the fold, he pushed him out to the wing (absolute no man's land) to accommodate a stagnant Ali Daei, who was playing 90 minutes for every game, not even subbed out for young strikers to get a chance to get some game time.
- TROLLING: Bringing Khatibi back to TM, starting him and Enayati. Khatibi was a constant source of frustration, the worst finisher we have ever had internationally, how he had so many caps no one can explain (well, apart from Branko and Khatibi's agent at the time Fazeli probably).
- POOR TEAM SELECTION: When we had more talented players, I never understood why Branko picked Badavi, Alavi, Kameli Mofrad, Khatibi, Sattar Zare. He had a favoured group of players who he stuck with, who were worse than a number of their peers in IPL. His team selections were often the antithesis of meritocracy, contrast with the most recent coach.
- OGHDEH - Falling out with his prized player when the latter refused to move to Dynamo Zagreb in 2005. At the time he was the only two-footed playmaker apart from Karimi and he was player of the year in IPL at the age of 21. He was just dropped after Branko's lajbaazi.
- STIFLING DEVELOPMENT - We had, at the time, arguably our brightest crop of aged 18-22 youngsters who all looked very talented. They weren't given enough playing time internationally to develop and ended up dwindling, as the coach just kept playing the same people for 90 minutes regardless of how they performed (contrast with CQ). Everyone remembers how healthily these players were developing until they hit a brick wall of a coach who just didn't give them the opportunities that e.g. Queiroz gave Azmoun, Beiranvand, Taremi, Ezatollahi and many more
- CONDITIONING AND INJURIES - His obsession with playing long-term injured players when they still needed recovery was long-lasting for some of our most promising players in that era some of whom never really recovered. Instead of waiting for players to be 100% fit.

Well, the only things I really did not like about Branko was his inexperience as a head coach (he looked very scared in the WC) and also his lack of being an authoritarian, a quality which Iranians need. Otherwise, things about which players he selected and which ones he didn't.... in the end of the day, it is all up to the coach and his taste. and obviously from the stats, he must have done something right in his selections. The same goes to the tactics he used.

As for using the youth, it's really not fair comparing that time with CQ's era. After the WC2014, CQ had only oldies and players who were out of form from an already talentless team (relatively) at his disposal. At some point, he was forced to rejuvenate and bring in youths like Azmoun and Ezatollahi who played in Europe.

I do agree with the dressing room problem and Daei's inclusion in TM but then again, I count that in his lack of being an authoritarian as I mentioned earlier. That would have solved everything.

All in all I think he gets too much criticism (way over the top) than he really deserves. He got it already back then.

BTW (regarding other thread), you're right - Daei did actually do OK and criticism of his time is over-the-top I found, particularly given the young players he introduced to TM.

If the stats are really valid, not only he did ok, he actually did a fantastic job I must say. Think about the fact that at that time, coaches never received the same support from IFF as CQ received. No money, no charter airplanes, no buses, no proper training facilities, etc. Add to that the youth he presented (as you say) plus I thought under Daei TM played a beautiful attacking football. If you put everything into perspective, the guy only lacked an internationally big name to be kept as TM head coach for a longer time and be recognized as our best coach together with CQ!

[DR Strangemoosh]

Yes, the harshest critics of Daei's time as coach certainly underestimate the investment in the next generation he made, how many future stalwarts he gave debuts to etc...

[Sly]

Yes, the harshest critics of Daei's time as coach certainly underestimate the investment in the next generation he made, how many future stalwarts he gave debuts to etc...

Haji Safi is the last one of them who has still been given in TM's starting lineup 11 years later. and the direct cause of our only win in the WC2018.

Edited: and Daei is still introducing new exciting players at club level. I think Gholizadeh was Daei's player who was recommended to CQ by Daei himself.

[RaginG Inferno]

In my opinion, Branko had the greatest pool of talent available to him of any Iranian coach. Unfortunately his player selection meant that he did not take advantage of that talent.

[Adesor Vafaseya]

Not even close. You can dispute one item from those tables. I can give you that item and CQ is still not as good (stats wise) as Branko. He just isn't. I am no Branko fan but have been trolled into responding time and time again because it is not even close. CQ has not won anything. Not even a WAFF.

STOP SPAMMING THE FORUM WITH THE SAME POSTS MULTIPLE TIMES!
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STOP THIS OR A BAN WILL FOLLOW!

[tooleh khers]

^^ Dear Adesor, Please ignore my message. I had not seen the above post. Members are complaining because they don't like what they see. Thanks for your hard work and contribution to this site.

[DR Strangemoosh]

^^ Dear Adesor, Please ignore my message. I had not seen the above post. Members are complaining because they don't like what they see. I have included these images in my signature to avert posting the same post over and over again. Thanks for your hard work and contribution to this site.

The problem is that the stats from your social media source "irperspolis" are fake - it has 7 less full national team games for Queiroz, 14 less games full national team games for Ivankovic. Both win ratios are wrong (2 percent lower than it should be for Queiroz and 10 percent higher than it should be for Ivankovic).

So using the site's bandwidth like this is not suitable.

Thanks for understanding.

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