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    Quote Originally Posted by DR Strangemoosh View Post
    Ivankovic effect is the following:

    - SPINELESSNESS: Sticking with one goalkeeper (Mirzapour) who was error-prone, and not even giving a chance to test other alternatives, and there were a few (contrast with CQ). Not altering his tactics and game plan, and keeping with the same formations/line-ups for every damn game. He just didn't want to experiment and try different players, he didn't like any chance. We had a series of very feeble performances in the 2005-early 2006 period but NOTHING was changed after them, and he had a lot more new talent at his disposal than his predecessors (remember poor Pourheidari who had a midfield of Fekri, Navazi, Halali to pick from)
    - OUTSIDE INFLUENCE: Branko let himself be influenced too much by player agents such as Reza Fazeli who was in the TM camp for the World Cup, and we all know that it affected the team spirit. He also let Daei dictate matters far too much in terms of team selection.
    - TEAM SPIRIT: Our team spirit was the worst for WC06 when players were even refusing to pass to each other, let alone speaking with each other (contrast with CQ and the tight-knit unit he has built)
    - TACTICAL NONSENSE: After finally bringing Bayern Munich's Hashemian back into the fold, he pushed him out to the wing (absolute no man's land) to accommodate a stagnant Ali Daei, who was playing 90 minutes for every game, not even subbed out for young strikers to get a chance to get some game time.
    - TROLLING: Bringing Khatibi back to TM, starting him and Enayati. Khatibi was a constant source of frustration, the worst finisher we have ever had internationally, how he had so many caps no one can explain (well, apart from Branko and Khatibi's agent at the time Fazeli probably).
    - POOR TEAM SELECTION: I tend to understand or agree with pretty much every time that CQ picks, or at least accept the choices. When we had more talented players, I never understood why Branko picked Badavi, Alavi, Kameli Mofrad, Khatibi, Sattar Zare. He had a favoured group of players who he stuck with, who were worse than a number of their peers in IPL.
    - OGHDEH - Falling out with his prized player (Mobali) when the latter refused to move to Dynamo Zagreb in 2005. At the time he was the only two-footed playmaker apart from Karimi and he was player of the year in IPL at the age of 21. He was just dropped after Branko's lajbaazi.
    - STIFLING DEVELOPMENT - We had, at the time, arguably our brightest crop of aged 18-22 youngsters who all looked very talented (Kazemian, Mobali, Borhani). They weren't given enough playing time internationally to develop and ended up dwindling, as the coach just kept playing the same people for 90 minutes regardless of how they performed (contrast with CQ)


    We have had some fantastic croatian coaches over the years, who have contributed a lot to TM, but more importantly to the development of TM. This guy has been a jabroni and really hampered TM in terms of development for a long time. I'm so glad we have CQ and not this man, because when he eventually leaves us, he will leave our team in a much stronger place.

    Agreed with most except the part about Kazemian, Mobali, and Borhani. Branko actually loved Borhani, but he was always a poor finisher.
    Kazemian and Mobali shot themselves in the foot by moving to UAE and stalling any potential for the sake of easy money. They never delivered.

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    But he pushed Khatibi and Enayati in front of Borhani at the critical peri-WC06 period, so he never really got meaningful experience. Enayati I can sort of understand because no matter how khorreh he was he had a good scoring record.

    Khatibi on the other hand reeked of Fazeli, and Branko not having the guts (or being a very poor judge of ability)


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    Quote Originally Posted by DR Strangemoosh View Post
    But he pushed Khatibi and Enayati in front of Borhani at the critical peri-WC06 period, so he never really got meaningful experience. Enayati I can sort of understand because no matter how khorreh he was he had a good scoring record.

    Khatibi on the other hand reeked of Fazeli, and Branko not having the guts (or being a very poor judge of ability)


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    I never got Khatibi being included either - but let's not forget even GN after Branco still used him.
    Again, his main weakness was not kicking out Karimi and Daei in 2006 for their bullshit drama.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nokhodi View Post
    I never got Khatibi being included either - but let's not forget even GN after Branco still used him.
    Again, his main weakness was not kicking out Karimi and Daei in 2006 for their bullshit drama.
    True agha, though no one is waxing lyrical about GN's international performance either. Like Branco, he is an IPL club-level coach.

    But although he used him a bit, Branko was the one who brought him back to TM. I remember the day that he announced Khatibi's return to the team before the world cup, it was hard to believe it. Even amongst domestic players, Rajabzadeh and Fazli had much more convincing seasons domestically (and scored many more goals), let alone the fact that Khatibi's international performances probably caused a few heart attacks.

    I would say the lack of discipline in 2006 was the tip of the iceberg. Arguably more serious was allowing an agent to hang around camp and training. The guy was always rather amenable to outside influences.

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    Taremi is doing the right thing by staying at PP for now. He can get better offers after the World Cup if he and the team perform fittingly. This means reaching at least the round of 16. A good draw will help.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DR Strangemoosh View Post
    Ivankovic effect is the following:

    - SPINELESSNESS: Sticking with one goalkeeper (Mirzapour) who was error-prone, and not even giving a chance to test other alternatives, and there were a few (contrast with CQ). Not altering his tactics and game plan, and keeping with the same formations/line-ups for every damn game. He just didn't want to experiment and try different players, he didn't like any chance. We had a series of very feeble performances in the 2005-early 2006 period but NOTHING was changed after them, and he had a lot more new talent at his disposal than his predecessors (remember poor Pourheidari who had a midfield of Fekri, Navazi, Halali to pick from)
    - OUTSIDE INFLUENCE: Branko let himself be influenced too much by player agents such as Reza Fazeli who was in the TM camp for the World Cup, and we all know that it affected the team spirit. He also let Daei dictate matters far too much in terms of team selection.
    - TEAM SPIRIT: Our team spirit was the worst for WC06 when players were even refusing to pass to each other, let alone speaking with each other (contrast with CQ and the tight-knit unit he has built)
    - TACTICAL NONSENSE: After finally bringing Bayern Munich's Hashemian back into the fold, he pushed him out to the wing (absolute no man's land) to accommodate a stagnant Ali Daei, who was playing 90 minutes for every game, not even subbed out for young strikers to get a chance to get some game time.
    - TROLLING: Bringing Khatibi back to TM, starting him and Enayati. Khatibi was a constant source of frustration, the worst finisher we have ever had internationally, how he had so many caps no one can explain (well, apart from Branko and Khatibi's agent at the time Fazeli probably).
    - POOR TEAM SELECTION: I tend to understand or agree with pretty much every time that CQ picks, or at least accept the choices. When we had more talented players, I never understood why Branko picked Badavi, Alavi, Kameli Mofrad, Khatibi, Sattar Zare. He had a favoured group of players who he stuck with, who were worse than a number of their peers in IPL.
    - OGHDEH - Falling out with his prized player (Mobali) when the latter refused to move to Dynamo Zagreb in 2005. At the time he was the only two-footed playmaker apart from Karimi and he was player of the year in IPL at the age of 21. He was just dropped after Branko's lajbaazi.
    - STIFLING DEVELOPMENT - We had, at the time, arguably our brightest crop of aged 18-22 youngsters who all looked very talented (Kazemian, Mobali, Borhani). They weren't given enough playing time internationally to develop and ended up dwindling, as the coach just kept playing the same people for 90 minutes regardless of how they performed (contrast with CQ)


    We have had some fantastic croatian coaches over the years, who have contributed a lot to TM, but more importantly to the development of TM. This guy has been a jabroni and really hampered TM in terms of development for a long time. I'm so glad we have CQ and not this man, because when he eventually leaves us, he will leave our team in a much stronger place.
    Ah yes World Cup 2006...the World Cup that no matter how much I drink booze, I cannot forget about. I thought for sure we would've beaten Angola, but boy was I wrong.

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