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    CQ Iran Assessment Thread! (Mature Non-Emotional Discussion)



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    From what I see from the discussion here [Only registered and activated users can see links. ] , the two camps argument is centered around Iran's level of football class before CQ joined us.

    Those, who rate him favorably, say and think Iran's level was not the top of Asia when CQ joined us, and he made us the number 1 Asian team, with the best defense on the whole continent (something that has been Iran's weak point since a long time).

    Those, who don't rate him favorably, say and think Iran was already the best of Asia before CQ and therefor after 8 years he should have brought us to
    second round of WC.

    So, really I think the question should be, do you think Iran was the best Asian team before CQ or not?!
    I think based on the answer to this question, we can understand the other side better.
    I am just trying to connect our thoughts and find a middle ground!

    What you guys think? Is it the right way to put it?
    Lets discuss this maturely.
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    Great Post Farhad jan.

    Eventhough they have always been among the best teams in the continent, they could never be continuously stable, there were always periods where the team failed but during CQ, the team could constantly maintain a steady level that many times stretched across the continent and reasonably matched against European teams who played modern football.

    I do not know how to put it, but I could summarise that CQ introduced a modern way of thinking when it comes to football. He simply modernized the national team's way of thinking of football, playing football.

    And last but not least, he introduced discipline, which has been the biggest problem when it comes to basically all team sports in Iran.
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    If I'm not mistaken since Asia has 4,5 teams qualifying for WC (excluding 2002 as Japan & Korea were already qualified and the play-offs were against a European team) we have qualified 3 out of 4 times quite easily. So it's hard to judge a performance based on that fact.

    As for the WC themselves, 2006 we had a good game against Mexico but lost. 2014 we had a great game against Argentina but lost and 2018 we two good games against Spain and Portugal.

    So I would say there was a small progress there from 1 ok game to two good games. Nevertheless we still did not manage to qualify for the next round. Based purely on WC games, I would say we did better with CQ than without him.

    Asian cups were similar, nothing changed. Under Branco we were *** edited *** by the ref, so I would say under him we had the biggest chance of actually winning it. So no progress under CQ here.

    Overal I would say it's too early to say whether we improved a lot or not (need more WCQ), but based on WC performance we did improve, however not as substantial as some put it.








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    Quote Originally Posted by Essi View Post
    Great Post Farhad jan.
    Eventhough they have always been among the best teams in the continent, they could never be continuously stable, there were always periods where the team failed but during CQ, the team could constantly maintain a steady level that many times stretched across the continent and reasonably matched against European teams who played modern football.
    I do not know how to put it, but I could summarise that CQ introduced a modern way of thinking when it comes to football. He simply modernized the national team's way of thinking of football, playing football.
    And last but not least, he introduced discipline, which has been the biggest problem when it comes to basically all team sports in Iran.
    Tactical discipline sure, but mental/emotional discipline, no.

    This is one of my issues with him. I feel like his temper and constant crying on the sideline was no different (arguably worse) than a vatani coach. We saw the results of that in the Asian cup match against Japan. Of course there are other discipline issues like letting Ezzatollahi waltz back into the team after being red carded for stomping on the head of the Korean player which set a bad example.
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    Be nazare man Japon daste kam 20 saal ast ke na tanha behtarin team mellie Asia raa daraad, balke behtarin lig ham hamintor.

    Az nazare ZIRBANA, KEIFIYATE BAZIKON, KEIFIYATE MORRABBIE DAKHELI va TAKTIK jelotar az hameye keshvarhaaye Asia hastand.

    Kaari ke CQ kard, az didgaahe man, ine ke yek NAZME DEFAAYI daad be team, ke HARGEZ pishtar nadashtim, yek FALSEFEYE TAKTIKIE ASHKAAR

    BE KAAR BORD ke shod yeki az khososiyaathaaye TM bood, yek tarze fekre GOROHI daad be TM, ke in ham pishtar nadashtim, va talash kard yek serie

    karhaa dar zamineye SAKHTARI dar federation bekone (manande saakhte yek tamrin-gaah baraye TM, bargozaarie ordohaaye dorost o hesaabi, vaa..

    Masale ine ke Iran dar daste yek regimie ke na barash honar moheme, na varzesh.

    Dar Japon honar va varzesh jaygaahaaye besyaar mohemi darand.

    Be har haal dame CQ garm, kaarhaayi kard ke hichkas pishtar az khodesh nakarde bood.
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    Many say it’s easy to qualify for the World Cup and any coach can do it forget the mess Wilmots put Us in....

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    Quote Originally Posted by PersianLion80 View Post
    Many say it’s easy to qualify for the World Cup and any coach can do it forget the mess Wilmots put Us in....
    It's never easy to qualify for WC. People think that our opponents are pashm och sitting and just playing with their balls. Regardless level of our opponents, they are working at leas as hart as us if not more (Most probably) to qualify. They spend lot of money becuase WC it the most honourable tournament/happening within International Football. It wouldnt be wrong statement to say, the team that had best preparation have best chance to qualify. The preparation includes also mentally.

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    I think the easiest way to put it.


    WC 2002 - Non existent

    WC 2006 - Watched this with a bunch of friends. A lot of them Mexicans. I really talked up TM and ended up really embarrassed. Iran straight up sucked.

    WC 2010 - Non existent

    (CQ enters the chat)

    WC 2014 - Not a super amazing performance, but definitely more proud of TM.

    WC 2018 - Incredibly proud of TM, regardless of not moving on.


    Its obvious to see the positive impact CQ has had on TM. CQ is a world renowned manager who people actually know and respect. In my opinion he reformed TM into being more open to legionnaires and being more palatable to the west.

    Anyone who thinks CQ didnt have a positive impact on TM is delusional.
    #WilmotsOUT

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bladsville View Post
    I think the easiest way to put it.


    WC 2002 - Non existent

    WC 2006 - Watched this with a bunch of friends. A lot of them Mexicans. I really talked up TM and ended up really embarrassed. Iran straight up sucked.

    WC 2010 - Non existent

    (CQ enters the chat)

    WC 2014 - Not a super amazing performance, but definitely more proud of TM.

    WC 2018 - Incredibly proud of TM, regardless of not moving on.


    Its obvious to see the positive impact CQ has had on TM. CQ is a world renowned manager who people actually know and respect. In my opinion he reformed TM into being more open to legionnaires and being more palatable to the west.

    Anyone who thinks CQ didnt have a positive impact on TM is delusional.
    i think you’re being a little bit harsh on 2014 wc team. to be tooth and nail against nigeria and even argentina is a great achievement. we just had a mental collapse against bosnia that probably shifted your perspective of our entire performance

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    Quote Originally Posted by kian_khosh View Post
    i think you’re being a little bit harsh on 2014 wc team. to be tooth and nail against nigeria and even argentina is a great achievement. we just had a mental collapse against bosnia that probably shifted your perspective of our entire performance
    Do not get me wrong, after every TM match of the 2014 WC (other than Bosnia) I left with my head held high.

    I guess I could have elaborated a bit more with "Definitely more proud", but yes you are spot on. It was a great achievement and the new players really gave us something to look forward to which was apparent in the subsequent AC and WC performances.
    #WilmotsOUT

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