Grading Iranian coaches

[St_Mark]

^^

Majid Jalali has done nothing in recent years to deserve given opportunity to coach team like Sepahan.

طوري حرف مي‏زنند که انگار بهترين مربيان دنيا هستند. اين وسط تلويزيون هم مقصر است. مربي را به تلويزيون مي آورند تا از مورينيو و کاپلو ايراد بگيرد، مدير هم فکر مي کند او چيزي بلد است و اينقدر پول مي دهد. طرف فولاد را سيزدهم کرده مي گويند در عوض بومي بوديم! خب مگر فولاد با يک تيم بومي قهرمان ليگ نشد؟
محمد دادکان رييس سابق فدراسيون فوتبال

[zzgloo]

and how enjoyable it will be to watch these two stumble and fall (and they WILL stumble & fall, I assure you) during the season against teams that didnt receive even a FRACTION of their support or budget. Oh how gloriously funny it will be to watch these two squirm after dropping points that they shd not be dropping by any means. I cant remember, but in an interview the coach of anther club (of the other 16) said they cant be even APPROACHING any good players as long as pp and ss havent finished their list. they are all waiting for pp and ss to finish their list and then see what's left for the rest!!
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I also think,PP & SS will stumble....On the pitch is different than " on the paper ".
Payman jaan..the last point you made in veryimportant.as SS & PP monopolize.
they operate out of Football enviroment in IRAN...we as the fans, should only focus on what I call " LWR&B " ( League without Red & Blue ) ,if we want to know and judge our own true football...

[Doctor DOOM]

^^

Majid Jalali has done nothing in recent years to deserve given opportunity to coach team like Sepahan.

neither has someone like Arsen Wenger. is he useless too? last thing he'd won was 5-6 years back and nothing ever since.

it's a catch-22 or vicious cycle where for X to make a name is to win a trophy, for that he shd be given the right tools. but the right tools are never given to his teams, so he hardly gets a chance to win trophies, ... and so on and on.

I think keano said it correctly. the jalalis and ebrahimzadehs of the world seem to be too quiet and shy to make a spectacle out of themselves in front of the media. and in Iran, the more high profile you are, the more saught after you'll be.
they're too gentle for their own good, I guess

[St_Mark]

neither has someone like Arsen Wenger. is he useless too? last thing he'd won was 5-6 years back and nothing ever since.
it's a catch-22 or vicious cycle where for X to make a name is to win a trophy, for that he shd be given the right tools. but the right tools are never given to his teams, so he hardly gets a chance to win trophies, ... and so on and on.
I think keano said it correctly. the jalalis and ebrahimzadehs of the world seem to be too quiet and shy to make a spectacle out of themselves in front of the media. and in Iran, the more high profile you are, the more saught after you'll be.
they're too gentle for their own good, I guess

Dear:
Just because some very good coaches failed sometimes, does not means Jalali belong to that circle.
Last season his team ranked 14th under fajr, Rahahan, Peykan, Damash , Naft...
& that was his 2nd season with Foulad.
Before Failure in Foulad he was chased out of Esteghlal Ahwaz & Shahid Ghandi
Now he is unemployed
Considering , (Arguably ) Foulad has better support system, organization,, facility , with good squad , without side issues or financial issues( than Rahahan, Fajr, Damash...)why a goodclub like Sepahan want someone like Jalali ?

[Doctor DOOM]

jalali's recent tenure 1.5 seasons at foolad has a lot of stories behind it.

aside from making this mediocre, starless team 6th in the league when by 12th game into the season they were dead-last with (I think 1-2 points only) - no thanks to bonacic, what the mafia did to him(last season's handball-turned-red card in beginning of their game vs. pp by Hamoudi, who didnt have even a single red card the whole season or at best 1-2 yellows!) , how luck played a great deal in his final standing (foolad & truckload of missed penalties often reaching 15-16 per season ... which could easily mean at least 7-8 points), a few ppl in management voting against him, .. etc etc had a big say where his team suddenly dropped from the top 10 (I think they were 8th or so) to 14th in the span of 8 final weeks.

as much as I say he is not the greatest coach we've ever had, he and coaches like him have far more positive impact on IRANIAN football than the likes of GN and co. (who are "hazeri-khor" and "moft-khor" who are too scared to actually try development and initiation of youth).
simply because they believe in our youth and youth development. and youth development needs time and patience in club management.
it is not the fault of jalali's and ppl like him that most our clubs, especially the affluent ones dont have the balls or guts to actually try youth development.

as for sepahan, they did bring a very decent coach like Kranjear. why shd they get rid of him and hire jalali? at what point was jalali available while sepahan was looking for a coach? I'm not saying they would hire him. but the fact is that we just dont know.

third, when jalali was given a half-decent roster, he did prove himself by winning the league championship with Paas (I think youngsters like nekounam, borhani, ... were among its players) and then with Saba (daei, yahya, ...). so given the right tools and with management's support, chances of him succeeding is more than him failing.


bottomline is we can choose to have tunnel vision and look only for cups and trophies or we can have a wider peripheral vision which sees and assesses each situation individually.
mere looking for trophies doesnt say much about a coach as the arsen wenger example truly exemplifies this matter

[Doctor DOOM]

whooaaa! I knew these soosools are going to stumble and fall. I just didnt know this bloody early in the league.
hahahahahaha
3-2 in TEHRAN!

yeki nist be oon martikeye rishoo, rooyanian begeh akheh avazi, to ro che be football? boro hamoon pool-e mardom ro bokhor, kari be football nadashteh bash.

result of buying "names" and not having the sense of knowing just what the bloody hell your team actually needs - which is a couple of decent def-mids (not 7 center forwards!)

hahahaha.
amoo, keif kardam
daste jenab sarhang dard nakoneh

[maij]

whooaaa! I knew these soosools are going to stumble and fall. I just didnt know this bloody early in the league.
hahahahahaha
3-2 in TEHRAN!

yeki nist be oon martikeye rishoo, rooyanian begeh akheh avazi, to ro che be football? boro hamoon pool-e mardom ro bokhor, kari be football nadashteh bash.

result of buying "names" and not having the sense of knowing just what the bloody hell your team actually needs - which is a couple of decent def-mids (not 7 center forwards!)

hahahaha.
amoo, keif kardam
daste jenab sarhang dard nakoneh

[zzgloo]

One of many things missing in Iranian league..is the lack of quality " Assistant coaches "....and lack of need for assistant coaches...
Coaches like Jallali who may have some very good teaching and offensive qualities would do much better,if he had some defensive assistant coaches as well as other assistants.
Or jallali himself,could be an very effective Offensive assistant coach.
If a team can not count on having top quality talents ,they could atleast be compatetive,by being a Balance team,offensively and defensively and managerial wise...as to have damage control management,and not self defeating efforts....Likes of Naft e Tehran.

[Doctor DOOM]

Oyyyy mommy. the other soosool also fell ... in the SECOND freaking game!!!

hahahahaha
is this my bloody birthday or what?

[Doctor DOOM]

One of many things missing in Iranian league..is the lack of quality " Assistant coaches "....and lack of need for assistant coaches...
Coaches like Jallali who may have some very good teaching and offensive qualities would do much better,if he had some defensive assistant coaches as well as other assistants.
Or jallali himself,could be an very effective Offensive assistant coach.
If a team can not count on having top quality talents ,they could atleast be compatetive,by being a Balance team,offensively and defensively and managerial wise...as to have damage control management,and not self defeating efforts....Likes of Naft e Tehran.

very good point on the assistant coach factor.
that's why most of the successful coaches usually move about clubs along with their assistants.

speaking of assistant coach, I didnt know Majid Saleh had joined ss camp.
he is among the few talented, promising young coaches we have that are so rare. so maybe there is some hope for GN and SS afterall