Is Queiroz failing?

[Hosseini]

Double post

[Hosseini]

Btw, why is there another ref standing close to the goal in Euro along w/ the assistants. Anyone know what they're called?

[maij]

^^^^^^^^^

What is going on here ?

You must be posting in the wrong thread.

[zereshk-ali]

A few years ago, I wrote on these forums that Iran needed a figure to revolutionise the game in the country by implementing a new system from youth academies up to the national team.

It's funny because I actually used the example of Carlos Queiroz and his successful implementation of a very specific highly technical, quick passing style of possession football in the Portuguese game in the youth teams that helped develop the Golden generation. For me, his genius was not only in applying the same system with the same group of youth players and breeding this familiarity of style and personnel through to the national team such that the players played like club team-mates in a style of football that now came naturally to them. It was also his vision that he could move football forward by not relying on traditional strikers but packing his team with creative, attacking midfielders and trequartistas to control the flow of the game in a way that laid the blue print for what Barcelona and Spain are now doing.

Since then France, Spain and Germany have followed this model of going back to the drawing board following failures and re-developed their footballing styles from the youth set up right the way to the national team. All have enjoyed success that did not come straight away, but were patient and allowed the systems the time to bear the fruit.

Anyway, the point I was trying to make at the time was that we needed someone, like Carlos Queiroz was to Portugal, Gerard Houllier was to France, and Jurgen Klinsmann and Jogi Lowe are to Germany. A revolutionary, who not only understands and has a passion for Iranian football, but can and is given the time and space to implement a similar program that allows a unique style to develop that suits Iranians and Iranian football.

Although clearly a revolutionary thinker I never imagined Carlos Queiroz would be the man given the job of doing it for Iranian football. However, when he was appointed I was still happy. Here was a man who had set up a system that created a football team in Portugal c. 94-00 who played some of the best football I have ever witnessed. I was optimistic that, despite his lack of knowledge of our football, he might be able to lay similar foundations for Persian football.

Irrespective of the immediate success on the field with the current national team my hope was that he would start laying the blueprint for a new style of football for Iran starting with the youth set up and working up. The true results of this can only be judged in 6-12 years time.

However, (and this is where I start to have my doubts) I believe to be successful you need to simultaneously start implementing and developing this same style in the national team. Irrespective of the immediate results for the national team you have to stick to your principles and they will ultimately bear fruit. From what I have seen so far, particularly in the last few Team Melli games, this has not been the case.

To me, it seems that the style of football so far has been short-sighted, negative and results oriented. We have been tactically rigid, lacked cohesion and at times played some very poor, direct kick and rush football. It seems the plan has been simply to get the points needed to qualify for the WC at all costs. This is not what I was hoping the IFF had hired Queiroz for (who I don't believe is the best game day tactician and team manager). I have not seen enough innovation in style to be optimistic for the future (although perhaps his plan to play Karimi up front was his attempt at trying to copy Spain's no striker formation and this is the style he hopes to copy).

The ultimate result of Queiroz reign remain to be seen, but I for one am hoping he is not just been hired to try and "fix" this current team for the short sighted aim of simply trying to qualify for this world cup. The medium to long term future is far more important than short term band aid solutions.

[Doctor DOOM]

^ fits our own JALALI pretty well.
jalali loves to work with the youth and theoretically, he is astute and capable. he's very organized, disciplined and systematic in his work. he belongs to the few more modern coaches in Iran compared to the old mindset of parvinism (GN is prime example).
But like CQ, his real-time game reading leaves some to be desired.



and speaking of jalali, IFF trying to add another Iranian coach to the staff

قلعه*نويي و ابراهيم زاده دستياري كي*روش را نپذيرفتند



منصوريان گزينه اصلي فدراسیون



یکی از مدیران فدراسیون فوتبال با تایید خبر اضافه شدن یک مربی ایرانی به کادر فنی تیم ملی، خبری را فاش کرد که قطعا قابل توجه خواهد بود. به گزارش جهان*نيوز، بعضی از منتقدان کارلوس کی*روش اعتقاد دارند که جای خالی یک مربی ایرانی در کنار او احساس می شود و خلا چنین نیرویی باعث شده تا مرد پرتغالی نتواند با بازیکنان تیم ملی ارتباط صمیمانه ای برقرار کند. به همين دليل فدراسیون فوتبال در چند روز گذشته مجوز اضافه شدن یک ایرانی به کادر فنی تیم ملی را از کی*روش گرفته است، اما مشکلی که فدراسیون با آن روبرو است عدم استقبال گزینه*های مورد نظر با از پیشنهاد دستیاری کی*روش است. این مسوول فدراسيون که نمی خواست نامش فاش شود به خبرنگار جهان*نيوز گفت:« سال قبل با دو مربی مطرح یعنی آقای قلعه*نویی و آقای ابراهیم*زاده برای حضور در کادر فنی تیم ملی به*عنوان دستیار اول کارلوس کی*روش مذاکره کردیم که هر دو نفر با رد این پیشنهاد اعلام کردند که نمی*خواهند دستیار باشند و البته ما نیز این موضوع را رسانه*ای نکردیم .» آنچه مشخص است فدراسیون جدا از مباحث فنی برای انتخاب دستیار ایرانی کی*روش، پارامترهای دیگری را نیز باید مد نظر داشته باشد و همین پارامترهای خاص کار انتخاب مربی مورد نظر را دشوارکرده است. در همین حال از فدراسیون فوتبال خبر می رسد که علیرضا منصوریان سرمربی کنونی تیم زیر 22 سال کشورمان جدی*ترین گزینه مربیگری در تیم ملی است و حتی کی*روش با حضور او در کادر خود موافقت کرده و این اتفاق به نتایجی که تیم منصوریان در مالزی خواهد گرفت هم بستگی دارد. منصوریان به دلیل تسلط به زبان انگلیسی و همچنین ارتباط خوبی که با کی*روش دارد از سوی یکی از افراد بانفوذ فدراسیون پیشنهاد شده و همه فدراسیون*نشینان روی او نظر دارند. گفته مي*شود مجيد جلالي هم كه در حال حاضر هدايت هيچ تيمي را بر عهده ندارد يكي ديگر از گزينه*هاي اصلي براي حضور در كادر فني تيم ملي است


so I'm not too sure jalali's inclusion will take care of what's missing in TM and CQ's abilities. as they are pretty much the same with the same categories of strenghts and weaknesses (although maybe at different levels). so we are not exactly filling any holes & gaps here.

what CQ needs is a "game reader" who can exert influence real time as the game is unfolding. and unfortunately a thug like GN is better suited for the role.
as long as he stays away from all the preparations and training and regimen

[zereshk-ali]

True, but if this means Jalali has been earmarked to work with and learn from Queiroz and, with his more in-depth knowledge of Iranian football, can continue to implement what Queiroz has hopefully started then that's a great thing (like Lowe continues to for Germany post-Klinsmann).

As for the game reader I think Queiroz really needs that influence from his number 2 (Ferguson admits Queiroz as assistant was the brains behind reviving Man Utd post 90's in terms of tactical innovation, modern training techniques and youth set up, but as you maybe say you need that Ferguson-like motivator alongside him).

Speaking of Lowe, I was very impressed with the way he was not scared to mix up the German selection in as big a match as the Quarter Finals. Clearly a coach able to keep the side fresh and the likes of Mueller, Podolski and Gomez on their toes, as well as being a long term innovator.

I'm not saying we have the quality of the likes of Reus, Goetze and Kroos in reserve but the key is knowing when to avoid becoming predictable and giving those opportunities to new players at the right times. For me the Lebanon game would be the perfect signal to remind some that the performance against Qatar was not good enough. Time for a bit more creativity in central midfield alongside Karimi and Khalatbari to actually be given a start.

[Doctor DOOM]

funny, I was thinking about the very same thing having watched what lowe did in this game.
really enjoyed his surprise line up.

he is also very passionate (seen in all his gestures and facial expressions) and I guess demands the same levels of passion from his players. sort of the players reflecting the urgency and passion of their coach in their team performance.
which brings us back to CQ's subdued demeanour, or the shakey frightened displays under branko/ghotbi.
even the almost rash, aggressive damn-it-to-hell kind of attaitude in MK (back in 96. before he finally lost his mind ... totally! lol)

[zzgloo]

CQ has only failed in being understood among the players...
He keeps saying : { " Players should not be " Complacent " }...what does he mean ?...it means..he has failed to elevate players' effort....he has failed to motivate ...he has failed to understand " Iranian psycology "......
It was very clear,there was very little sense of urgency during the last game against Qatar in tehran...
CQ main failier,is that he does not know yet,who is he dealing with...namely,Iranian culture and system

[maij]

CQ has only failed in being understood among the players...
He keeps saying : { " Players should not be " Complacent " }...what does he mean ?...it means..he has failed to elevate players' effort....he has failed to motivate ...he has failed to understand " Iranian psycology "......
It was very clear,there was very little sense of urgency during the last game against Qatar in tehran...
CQ main failier,is that he does not know yet,who is he dealing with...namely,Iranian culture and system

To be fair to Queiroz , this sort of cultural misunderstanding , happens to nearly every coach. It takes a long time for a European coach to acclimatize himself to the mentality of the country. This is one of the reasons that I prefer a local coach , provided he has the experience and the competency. You simply cannot change a culture of a nation for the sake of one foreign coach.

[Mansoor]

I am afraid we are getting closer to the answer.

The key was to bring in youngsters and help the players talent reach their ceiling (and above).

Unfortunately, the persistancy on starting and inviting older players is killing the team. Carlos is failing faster than I thought, and reaching miracle level line ...