What is (has been) wrong with this generation of TM

[KeonKish]

not having superstars is a plus point.

but not having players who can play good football is a negative.

If in doubt, go and watch some full match footage from some of our 2006 or 2002 WCQ games.
compare the passing, ball trapping, crossing, finishing, and even physical skills like acceleration, jumping etc with today's team.

sometimes i feel like our team is a Maldives level team. our players MISKICK the ball 50% of the time. Mahini had a freekick near our box and his leg strength didn't even allow him to kick the ball high and far enough to pass the mid line. Our player Heydari has absolutely no sense of balance. Dribbling skills (which have always been a plus point of Iranian players) are non existent except for Karimi and Khalatbari.

I personally think that our players lack defensive intelligence. Of course there are exceptions. But Our back 4 always end up in weird places forgetting where they belong, this ALWAYS happens with Iran.
It is actually an EGO issue. Everyone wants to be the goal-zan. Many of the players have very MINIMAL experience with physical players and in my opinion panicked against uzbekistan.
Why do I say this? Because in previous games where we used an attack style tactic ( one that is comfortable for iranians) , All of a sudden, half the team became amazing as we saw Heydari, pouladi, karimi and dejagah's beautiful plays come together with VERY dangerous passes.

This problem can not be solved until we learn to build more physical players and not super talented bache soosols like karimi.
If he wouldnt lose his balance so easily from challenges he could have scored double his career goals.

We have only had 2 players who push others around in a very dominant style
Daei, Teymourian.

Everyone else is a bache soosol who falls on their face in the penalty box trying , either from a challenge or an embarassing grass rolling attempt
They could instead actually try to score those goals.
For instance, the only wing and back players with proper muscle builds are Dejagah and pouladi. Mahini is too fragile and needs to put on around 15 pounds of muscle. Heydari needs to lose some fat and put on some muscle too. You can tell plenty from how the players muscles look, it speaks a bunch about their fitness.

[maij]

I always like the positive outlook and the glass of half full (rather than half empty) approach to life , but hiding my head in the sand is certainly not my cup of tea.

Saying that , sometimes we need to face bitter facts and reality . We must accept that we have a setback in the current football at organizational level and at technical/tactical aspect.

If you think we have more depth now and we are more of a team , then I would surely love to know how this conclusion was reached and what criterion have been used?

why cant's we beat the minnows of Maldives handsomely, the same team that we beat by 17 goals back in 1997. Why are we playing the poorest teams in the world for friendly games and struggling to beat them? Why doesn't the European team think highly of our players who are supposed to be better than the previous generations. There is another one hundred more such questions that I can put , but suffice to say that I have not noticed anything tangible to support that this generation is better.

...In a nutshell , what compromises more depth or better teamwork in your books ?


I believe that is is very much subjective to say that our players are better (or worst) than two years ago, That is an extremely difficult thing to prove. I am referring to a different generation of footballers.

Oh , one note . This takravi football , is very much a fact in Iran. All you need to do is regularly watch the league .

[Hadi]

The qatar match was further evidence of my point.

We played with a calculated approach. very similar to how we took on teams back in 2006.

The only difference was, our players did not have enough quality to break the defence of Qatar. No amount of tactics or coaching can help, if 90% of all your crosses are amaturish.
no amount of coaching can help if your players are slow and have bad positioning.

how many one twos did we do? how many good passes and crosses did we complete?

Everytime I see the quality of players like Heydari, i wonder what has happened to our football.

Rest of our midfielders are just average players. and our strikers? did we even have any? lol

[Hadi]

I saw a post in the general forum which puts things very rightly.

Players like Heydari, Ansarifard, Mahini, etc would have been ballboys if they were present during the peak of players like Bagheri, Daie, Kabi and Mahdavikia

[toofan]

more scouts, better youth system, IFF and professional coaching might have helped avoid such problem from the root.

relying on individual players or short-term expensive coaches to fix a bent root straight will either not work or be a temporary solution.

[Doctor DOOM]

on a different note, are we STUCK with the likes of nekounam, ando, karimi, ... ?
I mean are these players UN-BENCHABLE?
dont we see the likes of xavi, rooney, cesc, ... get benched or at least get subbed out? so where is it written that in all games nekounam, karimi, ando, rahmati, ... shd play and not be subbed ... even if they play badly or less convincingly?

sometimes a fresh pair of legs with youth energy and hunger adds much more to a team than an experienced vet who turns out mediocre or just-acceptable performances? if for nothing else, to catch the opponents off guard with such a move and introducing an unknown, you might get things in your favor.

this is based on all the just-barely-acceptable performances by many of our famous players (captain included). yes, they may not do something drastically wrong and do all the safe passes and run enough to be seen, ... . but somehow that is not getting a win for us. shdnt we at least throw a surprise in the middle by subbing ando or neku or .. out bringing in a hungry lad by minute 65-70?

[Paradigm]

If they pay more money to the best players it should motivate others to play better too. Motivation is prerequisite for success.

ISN - اخبار دريافتى حاكى از آن است كه تيموريان براى يك فصل بازى در تيم قطرى مبلغ بسيار بالايى دريافت مى كند.تيموريان كه با الخريطيات قطر قرارداد بسته به پول ايران ۳ ميليارد تومان دريافت مى كند.يك منبع آگاه در استقلال با تأييد اين خبر گفت:ما قصد حفظ آندو را داشتيم اما مبلغ تيم قطرى واقعا بالا بود و امكان حفظ او وجود نداشت. پنجشنبه 1 تير 1391

[KeonKish]

on a different note, are we STUCK with the likes of nekounam, ando, karimi, ... ?
I mean are these players UN-BENCHABLE?
dont we see the likes of xavi, rooney, cesc, ... get benched or at least get subbed out? so where is it written that in all games nekounam, karimi, ando, rahmati, ... shd play and not be subbed ... even if they play badly or less convincingly?

sometimes a fresh pair of legs with youth energy and hunger adds much more to a team than an experienced vet who turns out mediocre or just-acceptable performances? if for nothing else, to catch the opponents off guard with such a move and introducing an unknown, you might get things in your favor.

this is based on all the just-barely-acceptable performances by many of our famous players (captain included). yes, they may not do something drastically wrong and do all the safe passes and run enough to be seen, ... . but somehow that is not getting a win for us. shdnt we at least throw a surprise in the middle by subbing ando or neku or .. out bringing in a hungry lad by minute 65-70?

We should bring people in at 65-70 minutes, but in my opinion most of our problems are in the forward line. CQ's defense has looked fine(which is usually very BAD for us). We need a target striker who is effective at converting. Ansarifard is just too young and too soft to handle this.
I just HOPE that Meydavoodi and Ghazi will be in great shape by our next game. Meydavoodi has lots of potential.

[Keano]

This thread suggests there is something wrong with KeonKish:



Now I wonder what it is!

Oops now it suggests there's something wrong with Keano!

[Doctor DOOM]

^ what is she trying to do? straighten the bed? or is she studying ... with that pose?