Queiroz unhappy for not having all his players

[whizland2000]

But that would mean they would have to break off from their club camp, which the club manager did not deem to be so prudent at this specific point in time. They want a coherent camp, free from interference and obstacles prior to going in to their ACL clash.
Dont get me wrong, Im not here saying I dont want them to join TM. Because I do. Im just argumenting and viewing the whole thing from the perspective of the club teams.

Thats why having everyone give and take a little is important. I am sure missing 3 days of camp won't affect the way ACL teams play during their respective games, as they have been playing together for a long time and have developed chemistry. On the other hand, spending 3 days in TM camp can be critical becuase this team doesn't get much time to practice with each other and, therefore, Queiroz could've used that time to implement some of his plans.

[onebloodfool]

Thats why having everyone give and take a little is important. I am sure missing 3 days of camp won't affect the way ACL teams play during their respective games, as they have been playing together for a long time and have developed chemistry. On the other hand, spending 3 days in TM camp can be critical becuase this team doesn't get much time to practice with each other and, therefore, Queiroz could've used that time to implement some of his plans.

But obviously the clubs DO feel it will affect the atmosphere or camp if a chunk of their key players (who form the backbone of their teams) leaves and is absent from the camp, albeit only for a few days.
Right now the clubs have the authority to decide what to do with their players according to their own interests, even if that is deciding against CQ's request.

[dvader6]

I don't get Queiroz. What does he think, that Iranian clubs simply release their players although they really need them for Champions League but actually don't have to, according to FIFA rules?

I understand it would be better for TM at the moment, but for Iranian football in general, this wouldn't be good.

No professional football club would do that and I don't think it's correct to ask for it and complain when clubs act professional and say no.

I agree though that AFC's scheduling was really bad, once again. Thank God they at least moved the matches one week forward, otherwise our players wouldn't have been available before May 29 and 30, like in the East Asian zone!

@ Sam Afshar: Yes, they can play as they will be available 10-11 days ahead of the match. They would just miss 2-3 days of the Turkey camp.

our clubs' success is just as important to the fate of iranian football as our team melli.
but right now, while TM has plenty of time to get ready for their first game, the clubs dont. quieroz ought to be a little more understanding. after all dont these clubs pay the huge salaries of the players? last time I checked I didnt see IFF paying TM players' salaries or transfer fees

would quieroz threaten to bench or not call nekounam or dejagah if their clubs didnt release them 2 weeks before TM games? why the duality?

thankfully seeing that the bulk of the 8 remaining players are from ss and that ss will get knocked out after this tuesday, thankfully we wont face much of this issue after that.
I doubt quieroz would bench Hosseini (coz that would be suicide). and pp's players except karimi arent in his starting line up anyway. so lets not make a big deal of this Mr. quieroz, ok?

[whizland2000]

But obviously the clubs DO feel it will affect the atmosphere or camp if a chunk of their key players (who form the backbone of their teams) leaves and is absent from the camp, albeit only for a few days.
Right now the clubs have the authority to decide what to do with their players according to their own interests, even if that is deciding against CQ's request.

I think if its the government that funds these teams, then it should be able to order these clubs, through the IFF, to give up their players for 3 days. It is understandable that these teams will not want to give up their players no matter what, but sometimes looking at the big picture is what's important, and if they can't see this then certain measures should be taken ensure that TM doesn't come out on the losing end. Sometimes, i feel that the phrase "TM is the number one priority" is just an empty saying in Iran.

[iran5678]

Yes, European players are better and head and shoulders above IPL players, but what does that have to do with anything?
Ive heard this argument before but I dont see how that is relevant and how you connect the dots.
The fundamental fact still remains. They have club commitments, and the managers are not forced to release them.

The clubs have their own interests and if this was a dead rubber match then CQ's request would most probably be accomodated. But its not. Again, in the eyes of the clubs it does not matter how you view the ACL in terms of prestige or importance. THEY deem it to be a very important tournament.
It is in the clubs interest to have all their best players available in their crucial knockout stage match.

Actualy it is very easy to connect the points,

First, everybody seems to refer to european clubs and how they manage their business without considering simple facts that do not exist in iranian clubs, that is why I tried to explain,

Second, CQ knows at what level of tactical inteligence and physical readines are the iranian players and that is why he insists to have them all now that there is maybe enough time to condition them,

Then again, the clubs in europe are 100% private, Iranian clubs are not, meaning they should have little authority,

WQ is only every 4 years, ACL is every year, therefore SS, PP, and Sepahan could follow their championship ambitions next year, but if we miss our chances now for the WQ, another 4 years will be gone,

And the main question in my opinion is this, Is it more important and bring more recognition and could have a positive impact on the nations football to have one of our clubs to win a trophy in asia (if they go that far) that is repeated every year, or having a great chance to participate in the WQ finals that is every 4 years?

We hired CQ to fix the problems that were initialy created by our clubs and their coaches, now clubs should accomodate him in every way he wants.

[BacheLot]

People take deep fking breath & Look @ the Big Picture..!
each one of u get your priorities right & find out what's really important & what would really put the Much Needed international spotlight on Iranian football & Finally gives it the respect & attention that it deserves INTERNATIONALLY based on the country's immense passion & love for The Game ..!???
1-5 ACL championships (even in a row..!) Or 1 qualification to WC..!??
Go ahead & win even 10 ACL championships in a row or AC games for that matter, but fail to make the world's showpiece tournament for The Game & No One (none-iranian)outside the Asia ( even within much of Asia..!)would really give a rats asss about Iranian football Nor it's fans nor takes serious anything associated with it ..!!
U wanna get respect in thev World of Football as a country..!?? Then u MUST first & foremost qualify & represent consistently @ the WORLD CUP..!!
U know Why Japan & SK are known & respected as Football nations & Iran is considered a Joke..!? For that matter do u even know why many outsiders when pressed they will name Saudies as the next Asian/ME football worthy nation after above, before naming Iran .!??

So damn straight CQ is Right ..! Iranians need to realize that when it comes to Football they are indeed STILL thinking wayy Inside the Box & they Can Not ever claim that their Priorities lies in the Success of the National Team..!!

Face it..! These clubs have had these players @ their Disposal All Fking year, Every week @ their LameAss practices ..! These folks are the Established Stars of their team & ouside some short final Tactical Tuning, they Don't Have To spend the whole week with their clubs to perform admirably for their next club games..!
While CQ has planned for months on just How to maticulusly organize his Short 1-2 weeks Training Camp with his players inorder to make actually a formidable TEAM out of a bunch of talented individuals..! & there it goes bunch of no-name ,Tokhmy football clubs ( that's just how it is..! Face it not even 1person out of 1 milion Foreigners would recognize ecen PP as a football club..?! wanna change that First u must put IRAN as a bigger spot on World Football Map..!) wanna shitt all over CQ's carefully planned short preparation camp..!

Anyways, perhaps this isn't a huge deal after all ..!? For TM (considering we are not the only team facing such a bs predicament set in place by non other than stupid AFC..! ) nor for our acl Clubs , having to miss their already accomplished & reliable team stars for a few days ..!??

Like Whiz mentioned earlier it didn't have to get ugly & so fking contentious & divisive issue ..! & perhaps the jackass coaches shoulda also shown some flexibility & diplomatic tendencies, as CQ did in first place in regards to this problem..!
Dameh Royanian garm for his somewhat understanding of the gravity of this problem & his flexibility & willingness to address the issue Rather than exasperate it like other jackass coaches..!
& @ the end I Repeat CQ is totally Right, about iraian football people still shortsightedly prioritizing others football interests well ahead of the National Team ..! Proof is simply in the pudding here ..!
Hala berrin to donyayeh Royayeeyeh football khodetoon hall konin baa clubhayeh so called professionaletoon But just know this , that when u finally wake up Iran is still but a 4-5 rate footballing nation fully deserving of the often 50+ rating given to them by FIFA..! & damn anybody who god forbid tries to chane that (CQ..!)

[onebloodfool]

Actualy it is very easy to connect the points,

First, everybody seems to refer to european clubs and how they manage their business without considering simple facts that do not exist in iranian clubs, that is why I tried to explain,

Second, CQ knows at what level of tactical inteligence and physical readines are the iranian players and that is why he insists to have them all now that there is maybe enough time to condition them,

Then again, the clubs in europe are 100% private, Iranian clubs are not, meaning they should have little authority,

WQ is only every 4 years, ACL is every year, therefore SS, PP, and Sepahan could follow their championship ambitions next year, but if we miss our chances now for the WQ, another 4 years will be gone,

And the main question in my opinion is this, Is it more important and bring more recognition and could have a positive impact on the nations football to have one of our clubs to win a trophy in asia (if they go that far) that is repeated every year, or having a great chance to participate in the WQ finals that is every 4 years?

We hired CQ to fix the problems that were initialy created by our clubs and their coaches, now clubs should accomodate him in every way he wants.

In that sense yes, but the quality of European players in comparison to IPL was the thing I didnt get how it was relevant to the issue at hand.

And seems like you are trying to convince ME that the ACL players ought to accompany the rest of TM camp. Again, I would like nothing more than for them to do that. Its not about what I think or what my personal feelings are.
Im just arguing from the other perspective, ie the clubs. They pay their wages. The players have obligations to their clubs and can not leave unless the club management gives them the green light. Sure its not privatized and that is something Iran needs in order to significantly progress. Privatazation. And then we say they shouldnt have too much authority, or the government should order them through the IFF.

Kinda vicious cycle there.

Btw in order for CQ to be able to do his job in a good enviroment he should work alongside IPL coaches and cooperate with them. And vive versa goes for them (that is why Im very against Mazloumi, he has been antagonistic right from the get go). Just imagine what kind of grudge these IPL coaches will have against CQ afterwards. Its gonna create a bad atmosphere and make his job even harder. Sure we can say that IPL coaches should bow down and accomodate every demand of CQ, even if it goes against the clubs interest (who pay these players salaries). But its not the reality on the ground, thats what Im trying convey here.

[onebloodfool]

People take deep fking breath & Look @ the Big Picture..!
each one of u get your priorities right & find out what's really important & what would really put the Much Needed international spotlight on Iranian football & Finally gives it the respect & attention that it deserves INTERNATIONALLY based on the country's immense passion & love for The Game ..!???
1-5 ACL championships (even in a row..!) Or 1 qualification to WC..!??
Go ahead & win even 10 ACL championships in a row or AC games for that matter, but fail to make the world's showpiece tournament for The Game & No One (none-iranian)outside the Asia ( even within much of Asia..!)would really give a rats asss about Iranian football Nor it's fans nor takes serious anything associated with it ..!!
U wanna get respect in thev World of Football as a country..!?? Then u MUST first & foremost qualify & represent consistently @ the WORLD CUP..!!
U know Why Japan & SK are known & respected as Football nations & Iran is considered a Joke..!? For that matter do u even know why many outsiders when pressed they will name Saudies as the next Asian/ME football worthy nation after above, before naming Iran .!??

So damn straight CQ is Right ..! Iranians need to realize that when it comes to Football they are indeed STILL thinking wayy Inside the Box & they Can Not ever claim that their Priorities lies in the Success of the National Team..!!

Face it..! These clubs have had these players @ their Disposal All Fking year, Every week @ their LameAss practices ..! These folks are the Established Stars of their team & ouside some short final Tactical Tuning, they Don't Have To spend the whole week with their clubs to perform admirably for their next club games..!
While CQ has planned for months on just How to maticulusly organize his Short 1-2 weeks Training Camp with his players inorder to make actually a formidable TEAM out of a bunch of talented individuals..! & there it goes bunch of no-name ,Tokhmy football clubs ( that's just how it is..! Face it not even 1person out of 1 milion Foreigners would recognize ecen PP as a football club..?! wanna change that First u must put IRAN as a bigger spot on World Football Map..!) wanna shitt all over CQ's carefully planned short preparation camp..!

Anyways, perhaps this isn't a huge deal after all ..!? For TM (considering we are not the only team facing such a bs predicament set in place by non other than stupid AFC..! ) nor for our acl Clubs , having to miss their already accomplished & reliable team stars for a few days ..!??

Like Whiz mentioned earlier it didn't have to get ugly & so fking contentious & divisive issue ..! & perhaps the jackass coaches shoulda also shown some flexibility & diplomatic tendencies, as CQ did in first place in regards to this problem..!
Dameh Royanian garm for his somewhat understanding of the gravity of this problem & his flexibility & willingness to address the issue Rather than exasperate it like other jackass coaches..!
& @ the end I Repeat CQ is totally Right, about iraian football people still shortsightedly prioritizing others football interests well ahead of the National Team ..! Proof is simply in the pudding here ..!
Hala berrin to donyayeh Royayeeyeh football khodetoon hall konin baa clubhayeh so called professionaletoon But just know this , that when u finally wake up Iran is still but a 4-5 rate footballing nation fully deserving of the often 50+ rating given to them by FIFA..! & damn anybody who god forbid tries to chane that (CQ..!)

Dont know if you're saying this generally to everyone, but would just like to stress again that I actually want ACL players to accompany TM now.
Maybe ACL is a mickey mouse tournament to many of us, BUT in the eyes of the club its not and at the end of the day, they decide if they want to release their players now or not. That's all Im saying.

[IranianNationalist]

Dont know if you're saying this generally to everyone, but would just like to stress again that I actually want ACL players to accompany TM now.
Maybe ACL is a mickey mouse tournament to many of us, BUT in the eyes of the club its not and at the end of the day, they decide if they want to release their players now or not. That's all Im saying.

Clubs are not more important than National team

[IranianNationalist]

People take deep fking breath & Look @ the Big Picture..!
each one of u get your priorities right & find out what's really important & what would really put the Much Needed international spotlight on Iranian football & Finally gives it the respect & attention that it deserves INTERNATIONALLY based on the country's immense passion & love for The Game ..!???
1-5 ACL championships (even in a row..!) Or 1 qualification to WC..!??
Go ahead & win even 10 ACL championships in a row or AC games for that matter, but fail to make the world's showpiece tournament for The Game & No One (none-iranian)outside the Asia ( even within much of Asia..!)would really give a rats asss about Iranian football Nor it's fans nor takes serious anything associated with it ..!!
U wanna get respect in thev World of Football as a country..!?? Then u MUST first & foremost qualify & represent consistently @ the WORLD CUP..!!
U know Why Japan & SK are known & respected as Football nations & Iran is considered a Joke..!? For that matter do u even know why many outsiders when pressed they will name Saudies as the next Asian/ME football worthy nation after above, before naming Iran .!??

So damn straight CQ is Right ..! Iranians need to realize that when it comes to Football they are indeed STILL thinking wayy Inside the Box & they Can Not ever claim that their Priorities lies in the Success of the National Team..!!

Face it..! These clubs have had these players @ their Disposal All Fking year, Every week @ their LameAss practices ..! These folks are the Established Stars of their team & ouside some short final Tactical Tuning, they Don't Have To spend the whole week with their clubs to perform admirably for their next club games..!
While CQ has planned for months on just How to maticulusly organize his Short 1-2 weeks Training Camp with his players inorder to make actually a formidable TEAM out of a bunch of talented individuals..! & there it goes bunch of no-name ,Tokhmy football clubs ( that's just how it is..! Face it not even 1person out of 1 milion Foreigners would recognize ecen PP as a football club..?! wanna change that First u must put IRAN as a bigger spot on World Football Map..!) wanna shitt all over CQ's carefully planned short preparation camp..!

Anyways, perhaps this isn't a huge deal after all ..!? For TM (considering we are not the only team facing such a bs predicament set in place by non other than stupid AFC..! ) nor for our acl Clubs , having to miss their already accomplished & reliable team stars for a few days ..!??

Like Whiz mentioned earlier it didn't have to get ugly & so fking contentious & divisive issue ..! & perhaps the jackass coaches shoulda also shown some flexibility & diplomatic tendencies, as CQ did in first place in regards to this problem..!
Dameh Royanian garm for his somewhat understanding of the gravity of this problem & his flexibility & willingness to address the issue Rather than exasperate it like other jackass coaches..!
& @ the end I Repeat CQ is totally Right, about iraian football people still shortsightedly prioritizing others football interests well ahead of the National Team ..! Proof is simply in the pudding here ..!
Hala berrin to donyayeh Royayeeyeh football khodetoon hall konin baa clubhayeh so called professionaletoon But just know this , that when u finally wake up Iran is still but a 4-5 rate footballing nation fully deserving of the often 50+ rating given to them by FIFA..! & damn anybody who god forbid tries to chane that (CQ..!)

I totally agree with you. The National team deserves more than this crap it is facing. I would love to see these ''club lovers'' face when we are ranked 3th behind Skorea and Qatar. Eventually we will be behind Qatar and Uzbekistan if we are not going to act according to CQ plan.