Goalkeeping problem on the horizon?

[Doctor DOOM]

Right, coz he is falaj and cant bloody PUNCH the ball ... rather than palm it, right?
Lol. Nice try. But our falaj keeper fu££ked up on BOTH goals with his USUAL indecision to exit or not.

Hahahah. Nice try, but sadly no biscuit for you


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later:

what was even more ironic is exactly whatever rahmati failed at, on the other side of the same pitch, ahmadi did excellently. all his exits, parries, punches, ... were spot on and well executed.

I mean one must be a total blind to think Ahmadi doesnt deserve to be in the final TM (if not IN the starting line up, which he thoroughly deserves) while the likes of haghighi and foroozan are!

[oldcoach]

Well, this ONE is having fun reading this thread where ONE has to lack total football knowledge to think Rahmati was at fault for the first goal and ONE has to be total blind to think Ahmadi doesn't deserve to be in TM.
Personally, I believe Ahmadi deserves a call up.

[Martin-Reza]

Ah, if there just would be a professional coach having to make that decision to make us see who is right...oops, Carlso Queiroz has already made that decision and Rahmati is his number one and Ahmadi is not even in the top 5.

Absolutely nothing to blame on Rahmati today. You have noone marking Navidkia, Sukaj and Bruno Cesar and Rahmati is supposed to be on fault. What an utter joke, like every single attack on Rahmati before.

As usual, pure negativity with absolute refusal to acknowledge there is a professional coach knowing better. People might have bought it when coaches with no big name were at helm, but Dr. Doom vs. Carlos Queiroz is a funny duel.

[Mr.Good]

I not going to say who is better Rahmati or Ahmadi, but in todays game I saw Ahmadi drop the ball few time just for his defenders to cover him up.
Overall Sepahan looked very well organized in defense and mifield, while esteglal defenders looked like headless chicken, leaving sepahan strikers unmarked. also I agree with MR. That the first goal is not Rahmati's fault, it was a strong shot and rahmati did the right thing punching it as far as he can, but his defenders did not cover for him leaving two to three strickers umarked getting and passing the ball between themselves and scoring. If he had gone for "Palming" it most probably it would have ended in the goal. on the second goal, look at the esteglal defenders leaving everyone unmarked and watching the ball go in. some one should make highlights of the keepers only in this game.

[zzgloo]

I went back and looked at the Esteghlal vs Sepahan game again....
The secound Goal ,the bengar's goal,was not Rahmati's fault....and it was the well planed attack by Sepahan's coach...with 5 Sepahan's player in the six yard Box.and another two outside looking ..and 7 or 8 esteghlal players..it was a busy traffic...and it was not wise for Rahmati to come out and grab the ball or punch it in the air, as the traffic was too havey and he might not have reached the ball..
On the first goal....it was rahamati's usual inability to punch the ball...
It is a universal accepted technique by goal keepers, to fist and puch the ball on strong out of reach high shots on the goal...he just does not know such facts,as it was not his first time....and at this level.This deficiency is a big laibility for TM.

[Doctor DOOM]

^ bahram jan, that ball SHOULD have been the goalkeeper's.
keepers usually collect those or at least parry/deflect them.

what rahmati did was first decided to come out, then decided against it and got rooted in the middle of the way. as they say, he was caught in no man's land. he neither stayed back on the goal line to protect it, nor did he reach the ball to influence it!

this is the biggest mistake a keeper can do. even worse than those who do come out but misjudge the flight and angle of the ball (he makes this mistake also quite a lot!). coz at least they can say they attempted to do something about the ball.
here, he cant even have that excuse!

[Martin-Reza]

That the first goal is not Rahmati's fault, it was a strong shot and rahmati did the right thing punching it as far as he can, but his defenders did not cover for him leaving two to three strickers umarked getting and passing the ball between themselves and scoring. If he had gone for "Palming" it most probably it would have ended in the goal.

Finally someone with the ability to observe facts and combine it with knowledge about football. The ball was sliced and changed direction, Rahmati had to readjust his hands in the final moment and did well to save it and even tip it to the side.

Any try to fist or catch the ball would have been a huge risk and probably would have ended in a goal. With a somewhat working defense, the scene would have been over immediately after the save.

[Mr.Good]

Thats not the first time an Iranian defense line stood watching the ball on rebound and is the not the last time. Yesterday the same happened with PP against Al-ittihad. I think it was the third goal, when the ball return from the post after the goalie dived for it, and then the defense stood and watched the striker put the ball into the net. also who remembers the last WCQ against Korea, when Rahmati got the free-kick ball and then the defense stood watching the korean score the equalizer in Azadi.

[Doctor DOOM]

^ very good points on defense and defenders' usual mistake. you both are correct to point those out.
all the more reason we make sure our keepers are at their BEST FORM.
just like how rahmati used to save our arses a couple of years back when he was magnificently covering for our defenders' weaknesses and usual mistakes.

but right now, his best form just isnt enough to do that anymore!


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Finally someone with the ability to observe facts and combine it with knowledge about football. The ball was sliced and changed direction, Rahmati had to readjust his hands in the final moment and did well to save it and even tip it to the side.

Any try to fist or catch the ball would have been a huge risk and probably would have ended in a goal. With a somewhat working defense, the scene would have been over immediately after the save.

^ again you are diverting the attention from rahmati's EXECUTION to the defenders' faults and mistakes.
unfortunately the thread is not about defenders and is about keepers and more specifically rahmati's dipping form.
so while we all agree defenders were at fault, again I have to repeat it; rahmati's EXECUTION can not be ignored.

even if you want to say that's all he "could" do, then it brings up the point that perhaps what he "can" do THESE DAYS is not enough. his maximum effort is just nowhere near his better days. and we DO have another keeper whose best AT THE MOMENT, is better than rahmati's.


now, if this was a one-off mistake or a rare occurrence, then we all would agree as no keeper is beyond mistakes. even the best of them.
but sadly, rahmati has been making too many mistakes, too frequently, and too often in recent months. that's why many are worried about this.

[Mr.Good]

not trying to divert attention from Rahmati here. All I was trying to say is that we cannot say Ahmadi is better than Rahmati because rahmati conceded and Ahmadi did not. Rahmati may have lost some form and had bad days, but this does not make Ahmadi better than him. I saw Ahmadi drop the ball in the same game more than rahmati, but the difference was that Ahmadi had better defense to help him than rahmati. Football is a team sport, when the team scores, the whole team plays a role, and when the team concedes, then usually the whole team is at fault.
in short all I'm saying is that ahmadi is not better than rahmati from my point of view.