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Kaiser Amir

07-28-2011, 05:27 PM

Decided to post this thread here, hoping for less emotional replies and more logical ones.
Honestly, at times, I get the feeling that some iranians were born and raised in communist countries.
Some of the replies I read here are incredible.
There are members who expect others to ONLY glorify and praise certain people.

At the moment, one of those people is Carlos Queiroz.
While I'm very happy there is such unconditional support for the man, and I am one of his supporters, I don't like the idea of making him UNTOUCHABLE.

Again, in my opinion, Queiroz is our best bet for success in the long run.
I'm pretty convinced that, god forbid, he won't succeed as Iran coach, we won't get a better man for the job than him.
On the contrary, we'll end up with someone like Mayeli-Kohan.
Knowing the retarded logic of those who run the show in Iran, they'll say:

We hired a big name coach and he got us no where. So, why bother any more?
Lets go with a local solution. An iranian coach is cheaper and knows our culture and football.

And, next thing you know, Mayeli-Kohan, Jalali and Ghalenoei will be battling out for Team Melli's seat.

So, I said all this, hoping to convince EVERYONE once and for all that I am no Queiroz hater / enemy.
I'm just another iranian football fan who, despite backing Queiroz 110%, has some questions.

1- Iran used the exact same line-up in two back-to-back matches, against Maldives, in the span of five days.
Normally, the performance of the TEAM in the second game should have shown slight (again, slight!) signs of improvement.
Instead, Team Melli's display in Male got worse, compared to the game in Tehran.
Why?

2- Almost everyone agreed after the first game that Pouladi, Zare and Nowrouzi dissapointed.
Even Queiroz himself looked to confirm this by subbing these exact players in Tehran.
Surprizingly though, all three were back in the line-up in Male.
They dissapointed again, maybe more.
So, why were they used again, when others like Mahini got no chance to show their abilities?

3- You are 4-0 up from the first game and 1-0 up after the first half of the second match.
Its 5-0 on aggregate. Your team is 99,9% qualified.
You have a forward, Karim Ansarifard, who risks becoming suspended for the all-important first game in the next round.
Why don't you replace him?

4- In your starting "11", there is a 32-year old veteran who even in his prime didn't have the best physical shape.
Your team is playing in the hot and humid Male.
Your 32-year old veteran, Ali Karimi, is having a horrible game.
He gives bad passes left and right.
He is losing those one on one battles.
To top it off, he gets nutmegged by a maldivian opponent.
Why not sub him out with a younger player?
If Karimi shows clear signs that he can't cut it against Maldives, isn't it a good idea to start preparing his replacement by giving him a chance to play in a meaningless game in Male?

5- Hadi Nowrouzi starts two back to back games and shows two horrific performances.
Saeed Daghighi comes in the final 10-12 minutes of the match in Tehran.
He scores one and misses another good chance.
He is not given even one minute of playing time in Male.
Why is that?
Why is it that a player who didn't score and performed poorly got more playing time than a footballer who made the most of the little chance which was given to him?

6- Carlos Queiroz has decided to fly all the way to Brazil to see the World Cup draw in Rio de Janeiro, something he can also watch on TV.
According to press reports, if they are accurate, after the World Cup draw, Queiroz will start a 15-day vacation!

Iranian Premier League kicks-off this coming week.
This means the national team coach has the opportunity to see potential candidates for a place in Team Melli.
Unfortunatly, he won't be able to do that from his home in Portugal.

Another problem: 10th of august is the LAST FIFA DATE before Iran's first World Cup qualifier in september.
Virtually, the entire footballing planet has a game scheduled on this date.
Iran is among a very few countries that won't play anyone on august the 10th.
How could they, when the coach is on vacation?
Does anyone think that Queiroz's vacation comes at a bad time?

maij

07-28-2011, 06:08 PM

Brilliant Amir Jan.

All I can say is that I am in the Q behind you waiting to hear the answers from Queiroz himself. I know that most pro coaches have a mind of their own , but I will be damned if I can understand his motives on the points you mentioned!!!!

BTW: I didn't realize he will be on leave !!

St_Mark

07-28-2011, 07:08 PM

Understanding CQ:
CQ-Rule 1:
Current selection are best players, starting players are best available.
CQ-Rule 2:
What CQ is says = what CQ mean.
CQ-rule 3:
Each phase is final phase.
CQ-Rule4:
All players are equal, some more equal specially RH. !
CQ-rule 5:
Taking a risk is a risky business.

Decided to post this thread here, hoping for less emotional replies and more logical ones.
This starting players are best available according to CQ. His selection did not do well first half of first game but did better 2nd half ,hence he think with more games they will improve.
He said he will not risk so it is reasonable for him to go with his best option.
No surprise to me[/I][/COLOR]
Why?

Rule 1 & 5

2- Almost everyone agreed after the first game that Pouladi, Zare and Nowrouzi dissapointed.
Even Queiroz himself looked to confirm this by subbing these exact players in Tehran.
Surprizingly though, all three were back in the line-up in Male.
They dissapointed again, maybe more.
So, why were they used again, when others like Mahini got no chance to show their abilities?

Rule 1 & Rule2 & 4
3- You are 4-0 up from the first game and 1-0 up after the first half of the second match.
Its 5-0 on aggregate. Your team is 99,9% qualified.
You have a forward, Karim Ansarifard, who risks becoming suspended for the all-important first game in the next round.
Why don't you replace him?

Rule3 & 5 *
4- In your starting "11", there is a 32-year old veteran who even in his prime didn't have the best physical shape.
Your team is playing in the hot and humid Male.
Your 32-year old veteran, Ali Karimi, is having a horrible game.
He gives bad passes left and right.
He is losing those one on one battles.
To top it off, he gets nutmegged by a maldivian opponent.
Why not sub him out with a younger player?
If Karimi shows clear signs that he can't cut it against Maldives, isn't it a good idea to start preparing his replacement by giving him a chance to play in a meaningless game in Male?
Rulr 4.
5- Hadi Nowrouzi starts two back to back games and shows two horrific performances.
Saeed Daghighi comes in the final 10-12 minutes of the match in Tehran.
He scores one and misses another good chance.
He is not given even one minute of playing time in Male.
Why is that?
Why is it that a player who didn't score and performed poorly got more playing time than a footballer who made the most of the little chance which was given to him?

Rule 1 & 2
6- Carlos Queiroz has decided to fly all the way to Brazil to see the World Cup draw in Rio de Janeiro, something he can also watch on TV.
According to press reports, if they are accurate, after the World Cup draw, Queiroz will start a 15-day vacation!
Iranian Premier League kicks-off this coming week.
This means the national team coach has the opportunity to see potential candidates for a place in Team Melli.
Unfortunatly, he won't be able to do that from his home in Portugal.
Another problem: 10th of august is the LAST FIFA DATE before Iran's first World Cup qualifier in september.
Virtually, the entire footballing planet has a game scheduled on this date.
Iran is among a very few countries who won't play anyone on august the 10th.
How could they, when the coach is in vacation?

Rule4:
He is thinking of U19 when is at vacation .
Does anyone think that Queiroz's vacation comes at a bad time?
B]Not me.[/B]

[* CQ: i will not take any risk against Maldiv]
Edit:

BacheLot

07-28-2011, 08:04 PM

Ok, I'll do my best..!:p

1) u can't necessarily expect improvement from one match to next..! There are many factors that figure in each match that decide the faith of it. U can say that Maldives improved drastically from the last match & off course they had homefield advantage & better knowledge of us as a team & our preferred tactics..!
2)I have a sneaky suspicion that CQ is deliberately holding back his best cards( players) only for when absolutely needed & not display his team's full potential & maintain his element of surprise ..! He saw first hand how TM managed to beat Russia..! Perhaps that's why many superior players failed to make the cut for this round while some questionable players got the nod..! I was very disappointed as well to see the same lineup but in his book the tie was already over & he needn't risk exposing anything for future contenders in next rounds. I thought puladi played fine, Zareh was ok but couldn't stand to see noruzi on pitch after half..! Yet why should CQ jump the substitution gun when his team is leading @ half & in the tie by a huge margin..!? Why not wait to see what your opposition's plans are before ..!? Meanwhile I noticed him switching Wings with KB..! The 2 of them got replaced eventually anyhow ..!
3) ?? Perhaps he was on the bubble & this was his last chance to make himself worthy of inclusion in next round games..! Anyways this game proved to me that we are wasting valuable time on this choking king so called prodigy ..! I'm also glad he got his second yellow so now I know for sure we can see another potential player brought up in his place..!

4) who did we have on the bench who could have possibly replace AK's services..!?? I agree that he struggled today, especially in first half against an ultra aggressive opponent ..! But tbh I think CQ's tactics & formation demands way too much from AK & Hadadifar, even ghasem didn't look all too rosey today..! I'm certain that Ali's form & fitness has declined since his return to Iran & lengthy, non stop services @ TM & PP camp has taken it's toll on the old man..! He needs some rest & if CQ intends to use him game in game out for 90 min he should limit his defensive duties by changing his tactics to include a second DM ..! I still believe we simply we can not get any Overall better than him in AM in Iran ..! Even by the time WC14 comes around, there simply won't be anyone who can clearly surpass the goods he will bring to the table in any given game..!

5) legitimate concern..! Don't know..? But I think this was the last of Hadi in TM, while Daghghi may yet make the cut..!

6) if IFF fails to secure a friendly for the 10th by now, then it was surely too late now for these clowns to pull it together..! So CQ decides to take this time to take a family vacation in Rio..! Afterall it doesn't seem like they are paying him enough to sacrifice family time & put in further effort..!? Perhaps he can network there and find us potential future friendly opponent..?
This lack of friendly situation & ill timed vacation is the most disturbing part of the whole ordeal facing our football..! AK clearly put the pressure on IFF in his last game interview & most probably he was echoing his coach's silent wishes ..!

Doctor DOOM

07-28-2011, 10:55 PM

1- Good one.

2- I’d like to think (wishful thinking?) that he’s kept some of the more productive names in “aab namak” for the bigger games and more dangerous opponents. But that’s MY wishful thinking. No reason CQ thinks this way too.

3- I would like to think he subbed aghili for the exact reason you mentioned as aghili was absolutely furious with that idiot #7 for kicking karimi, and perhaps would have done worse and got another yellow. However, why shd it not apply to ansarifard’s case?

4- I Cant even cook up an answer for this one. Too logical a question

5- Again, I’d like to think it was CQ giving hadi his last chances to prove he’s worthy of TM. The rest depends on CQ’s perception of his disastrous displays

6- Too logical to find some c0ckamamie excuse

maij

07-29-2011, 08:21 AM

Kaiser Amir

07-29-2011, 08:29 AM

Good options maij Jan.
Unfortunatly, there is no way we'll know what they're capable of when we use a finished Karimi for 180 minutes in two games against the mighty Maldives...

Hajagha

07-29-2011, 09:23 AM

Let me try mine:

1, I am not finished trying them by just one game.

2, Same above, who's every one? I am the coach last time I checked. Besides, I think even if I had lined up 11 keepers, they should have played much better than these so called pro's played.

3, I didn't know my forward is that stupid that he can manage to get 2 yellow in two games against a minor team. Well, now I know, he is capable doing that.

4, Karimi is my team recognition. He is still as good as others plus bringing respect and leadership in the team. I still thin he is not finished and can bring some experience from Germany to my team.

5, You keep asking the same question in different ways. I choose my players, not you. I still think even players from second devision must have played much better than that. If you want any chance in higher level football, you gotta go elsewhere, a national team is not started from scratch. it's the fruit of a national football. If I could manage to fix all the problems, World Cup should award only the coaches and not the countries. Next time you question my line-up, I will ask you to throw you out of conference room. :D

6, It's called "networking". It's Huge in the world of business.

P.S.: It's not my tone. It's a stubborn tone of a coach. ;)

Cheers,

Babak agha

07-29-2011, 11:27 AM

It is a myth to say we have no one better than Karimi. We have lots of options to replace him such as:

Mohaamdreza Khalatbary
Mojtaba Jabbari
Moharam Navidkia
Eman Mobali
Ghassim Haddadifar
Mohammad Nouri
Maysam Baeo
Ahmad Jamshidian
Farzad Ashoubi
Omid Ebrahimi
Shahin Khairi
Ghasim Dehnavi
Bakhtiyar Rahmani
Kaveh Rezaei

These are all players that have represented Iran at some capacity, but it shows that the league is NOT that poor when it comes to attacking midfielders. NOW.... I guess there are some we have not seen much of.

I personally like to see the younger ones (the last 2) be given more of a chance is such so-called meaningless games.

Darn I lol-ed so hard when I saw this. How can this be taken seriously? You came up with (no less than, I mind you) 14! players that are better than Karimi?

I'm not going to discus each player individually. And I give you that in any team, on any spot, we can come with one or two alternatives (which are usually our biases/favorites) players instead of the actual selected player.

But if you so easily, from your comfy little couch, can name 14 players who are better options than the fix starter and the captain of a team, then the coach of the team is not only incapable and stupid, but he's f-ing incapable and f-stupid.

Don't get me wrong Karimi should be replaced sooner than later, and more players should be given the opportunity/be tested.......but 14!!!!!!!

Someone really should check whether Maji jan's account has been hacked or not cause I really can't believe this :D

Babak agha

07-29-2011, 11:47 AM

1. What's the logic there? Did Iran have tine to practice and develop the players? In fact, all the conditions were against a better game. They already were trough, so there goes the physiological edge. The players, who are in midst of building up their condition, didn't have enough time to train and recuperate. The whether condition were worse than the ore iPods game. It was an away game compared to a home game last time. The field was worse. The opponent was trying to hurt our players more than they grass rolled in the previous game, etc etc etc

2. Never change a winning team? :D a last chance in the meaningless game for those players? The other player being injured, less motivated, didn't preform that well in training?

3. Ansarifard is already having psycological problems, can't finish, and is insecure. If you take him out in a game that he didn't even had a shot at goal then you can write him off and don't need to call him up again for the coming couple of years. Strikers and goalies only improve when they have 100% confident of the coach no matter how bad they preform. You take them out of a game it results in ruining them! So it was an risk it had to be taken. Even if it mean that he would miss the next game. And we have other options anyway, and this will be a good opportunity to try them without hirtin Ansarifards confidence.

5. A "lucky"/easy goal in the dying minutes of a game doesn't mean that much. Consitency is the key. Maybe Daghighi is not that good during trainings. Or maybe CQ want to keep him hungry and brings him gradually. Or maybe it was a last chance thing for nowroozi.

6. It's a normal thing for head coaches of normal countries to be present at such things. And next to the possible networking possibilities there, I rather have CQ represent us there infront of the rest of the world instead of a couple of incapable rishoos who can't even talk English or won't be shaking hands with the females present there.....

Doctor DOOM

07-29-2011, 11:51 AM

^^ I think majid jan based his list on a more comprehensive set of factors including stamina and energy, longevity, ... also, aside from technical talent and mastery of the ball.

I personally think there are about 6-7 players that can be in such a list FOR THE POST OF KARIMI IN TM (for example I dont think kaveh rezaei is in the same post. nor is dehnavi or kheiri or ashoubi or bao ) ... who can replace karimi EVEN TODAY, who can deliver that set of tasks and duties pertaining to an attacking mid/playmaker.

I dont think we shd only focus on the ball skills of karimi and totally ignore the other needs and requisites of a player. lets not forget in a football game each player shd be able to maintain a decent level of pace & energy for at least 90 minutes (if not 120).

now, would you think a 34 year old karimi after playing at least 2 TWO GAMES per week (1-IPL, 2-ACL and 3-hazfi PLUS TM 4-official and 5-unofficial games) for several weeks can maintain this consistent energy for 90 minutes in a high level WCQ game? do you really?

Babak agha

07-29-2011, 12:45 PM

Like I said I'm pro replacement of Karimi, and giving young players a chance even if they are still not close to the level of Karimi today.

But we have to be realistic.

Cause I'm still baffled by a list of 14 players!!!

To be honest I can't even name 10 Dutch players who could play on the attacking midfield position on the Dutch team instead of Sneijder. How many actual attacking midfielders are even in Iran?

The only way to it is to change the formation and the game plan, cause eventhough we are used to see our vatani coaches playe shojaei as lone striker, CF, LW, RM, AM, LAM, and CM or playing Nikbakht as ST, CF, LW, LM and LB I don't think our buddy Carlos will select just anybody who fans think are midfielders as th AM for TM.

Kaiser Amir

07-29-2011, 05:26 PM

First of all, interesting replies by everyone.
Enjoyed reading them.
Too bad the man who SHOULD HAVE answered some of these questions opted to hide from the press and sent his assistant instead...

Anyway, while I can accept the difference of opinions, I'm baffled by some of Babak agha replies.

3. Ansarifard is already having psycological problems, can't finish, and is insecure.

If Ansarifard who showed he can actually finish, at least, against Maldives, is suffering from all the above, then excuse me, he should be in a mental institute, not on a football pitch!

Since when leaving an insecure forward who has psychological problems and can't finish on the pitch is a good idea?!?!

Why should such a handicapped player take the place of a NORMAL player in an official match?!?

What good will it do him?
More importantly, have you considered how this insecure player with psychological problems can hurt the TEAM?!

If you take him out in a game that he didn't even had a shot at goal then you can write him off and [b]don't need to call him up again for the coming couple of years.

WOW!
Mind blowing logic.
Who would have thought that a simple substitution could finish a player, not for one week, one month, but for TWO YEARS?!

Strikers and goalies only improve when they have 100% confident of the coach no matter how bad they preform.

Again, you seem to forget that football is a TEAM sport.
Its no place to heal the wounds of a suffering individual IF his problems are hurting the TEAM.

No serious coach would allow a player to stay on the pitch if, as a consequence, the TEAM is suffering.

And we have other options anyway, and this will be a good opportunity to try them without hirtin Ansarifards confidence.

A good opportunity WOULD HAVE BEEN to test those other options against the Maldives, not to throw them directly in the starting "11" against, lets say, Saudi Arabia, in the first game of the next round.

5. A "lucky"/easy goal in the dying minutes of a game doesn't mean that much.

I just love it how we use the term lucky goal whenever we want to minimize the efforts of a certain forward.

For years, certain people did this to ALI DAEI, rating his goals as easy, claiming anyone could have scored four, five time against the Maldives.

Well, as time showed us, there was NOTHING easy about ALI DAEI's goals and, these days, we are praying to find a forward who can at least score a few goals against Maldives.

Back to Daghighi, there was nothing easy about his goal.
He lost his marker, positioned himself well and finished cooly.
If you translate all that into an easy goal, then why on earth Hadi Nowrouzi couldn't score at least one against the same Maldives team?!

6. It's a normal thing for head coaches of normal countries to be present at such things.

Yes, you're right.

But, is it also normal for the national coach of a team with LOTS OF PROBLEMS to take a vacation when:

A- The league, the competition which could serve the coach with posibile solutions, is about to kick-off?

B- The last available FIFA date before our next official game is fast approaching and we're one of the very few teams on this planet which DOES NOT have a friendly?!

In my book, there is nothing normal about the TIMING of Queiroz's 15-day vacation.

If anything, its a clear case of bad timing, coupled with lack of responsibility.

Babak agha

07-29-2011, 05:58 PM

^

1. Regarding the striker and goal droughts issues: you're a journalist so I assume you should have enough material to read for a better understanding.

2. Stop defending Daei with every breath you take, we get the point and nobody actually said anything against Daei here

3. Regarding the goal: just because nowroozi sucks it doesn't mean Daghighi is good. And outrunning a player who has already played for 80+ minutes while you've just started is not really something to brag about. Neither is scoring a one on one with the goalie after receiving a squared pass like that.

4. Regarding the CQ's time off: one IFF had to deny him the request if witnessing the opening game of league was so important for him, after a training camp and 3 friendly matches and 2 official games drink a month period.

5. I like your posts and contributions to PDFC in general, but you seem to be to emotional recently. Which is understandable due to the poor performance of TM. But we have to try to keep a clear mind and have reasonable expectations of a medicore team of players, who btw day in day out proove to be the most unprofessional athletes around (if anything we read here about them is realiable news).

Oh ps: you know the thing about Internet and capslock right ;-)

Kaiser Amir

07-29-2011, 06:17 PM

@Babak agha,

We agree to disagree.
Lets leave it at that.

^
Oh ps: you know the thing about Internet and capslock right ;-)

Actually, I don't.
Whats it about?

Babak agha

07-29-2011, 06:21 PM

Ah never mind it then..... ;-)

Paradigm

07-30-2011, 03:52 AM

Kaiser jaan, if CQ does not make it with team melli, the next best option would be Ghale'noi, without any doubt!

zzgloo

08-01-2011, 06:44 PM

1- Iran used the exact same line-up in two back-to-back matches, against Maldives, in the span of five days.
Normally, the performance of the TEAM in the second game should have shown slight (again, slight!) signs of improvement.
Instead, Team Melli's display in Male got worse, compared to the game in Tehran.
Why?

Apples and oranges......situation and objectives had drasticaly changed.....and so did the game plan

2- Almost everyone agreed after the first game that Pouladi, Zare and Nowrouzi dissapointed.
Even Queiroz himself looked to confirm this by subbing these exact players in Tehran.
Surprizingly though, all three were back in the line-up in Male.
They dissapointed again, maybe more.
So, why were they used again, when others like Mahini got no chance to show their abilities?

creating Consistancy and avoiding risks ,dictated so as well as giving secound chances to confirm initial judgements

3- You are 4-0 up from the first game and 1-0 up after the first half of the second match.
Its 5-0 on aggregate. Your team is 99,9% qualified.
You have a forward, Karim Ansarifard, who risks becoming suspended for the all-important first game in the next round.
Why don't you replace him?

friendly games are for testing players, not WCQ........the total playing selection plan required not jercking out players

4- In your starting "11", there is a 32-year old veteran who even in his prime didn't have the best physical shape.
Your team is playing in the hot and humid Male.
Your 32-year old veteran, Ali Karimi, is having a horrible game.
He gives bad passes left and right.
He is losing those one on one battles.
To top it off, he gets nutmegged by a maldivian opponent.
Why not sub him out with a younger player?
If Karimi shows clear signs that he can't cut it against Maldives, isn't it a good idea to start preparing his replacement by giving him a chance to play in a meaningless game in Male?

Again the decision as who to play was taken prior to the game, unless desprate circumstances required otherwise......, which did not

5- Hadi Nowrouzi starts two back to back games and shows two horrific performances.
Saeed Daghighi comes in the final 10-12 minutes of the match in Tehran.
He scores one and misses another good chance.
He is not given even one minute of playing time in Male.
Why is that?
Why is it that a player who didn't score and performed poorly got more playing time than a footballer who made the most of the little chance which was given to him?

.....again this line of questioning is redundant...and already answered........The players were chosen based on practices and decisions by coaching staff prior to the game.......there did not exist any circumstances to make major devations from the original plans

6- Carlos Queiroz has decided to fly all the way to Brazil to see the World Cup draw in Rio de Janeiro, something he can also watch on TV.
According to press reports, if they are accurate, after the World Cup draw, Queiroz will start a 15-day vacation!
Iranian Premier League kicks-off this coming week.
This means the national team coach has the opportunity to see potential candidates for a place in Team Melli.
Unfortunatly, he won't be able to do that from his home in Portugal.
Another problem: 10th of august is the LAST FIFA DATE before Iran's first World Cup qualifier in september.
Virtually, the entire footballing planet has a game scheduled on this date.
Iran is among a very few countries that won't play anyone on august the 10th.
How could they, when the coach is on vacation?
Does anyone think that Queiroz's vacation comes at a bad time?

Queiroz ,like all other head coaches needed to attend the Brazil conference....if you want to save money,do it some place els.........as why there was no freindly schedualed ?...ask IFF ....and as for the league games......it is too soon to pay careful attention

...

Kaiser Amir

08-01-2011, 06:52 PM

and as for the league games......it is too soon to pay careful attention

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

All your answers aside, the above "logic" is just mind-blowing!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Babak agha

08-01-2011, 07:36 PM

Don't take it personal, you asked some question which people try to answer by providing justification for what already has happened. It doesn't mean you are wrong or your questions are invalid, or your "opinion" is wrong, we are just trying to look at the situation from different angles.

zzgloo

08-02-2011, 09:18 AM

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
All your answers aside, the above "logic" is just mind-blowing!
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

.
1- " All answers aside ".........I am glad you agreed with all of them.
2- " The Logic is just mind-blowing " " FOR YOU ??? !!...........do you want me to put it in a simpler terms,so it would be esasier for you to understand and less harmful to your " Mind " ?
3- It is always good for one to laugh at himself......it is humbling !

maij

08-02-2011, 10:05 AM

^ maybe you should elaborate your arguments like the rest instead of just making fun of the people who don't agree with you. You can keep that for the football forum.

More importantly, don't take it personal, you asked some question which people try to answer by providing justification for what already has happened. It doesn't mean you are wrong or your questions are invalid, or your "opinion" is wrong, we are just trying to look at the situation from different angles.

The two gentlemen are well capable of sorting their own , without the intervention of "Eisenstein". This sort of devilish provocation is not needed here, beside you are the last person to talk about "making fun" of other people's view points.......for crying out loud.

Babak agha

08-02-2011, 11:19 AM

The two gentlemen are well capable of sorting their own , without the intervention of "Eisenstein". This sort of devilish provocation is not needed here, beside you are the last person to talk about "making fun" of other people's view points.......for crying out loud.

I'm the last one who will say you shouldn't make fun of other people......or their view points. But I do at least think its not a bad idea to point out why those view points are wrong (at least in my/your opinion).

Life is a bit boring without sarcasm ;)

BTW just because I have argued against your last couple of points, and the fact that Amir and you agree on the same points doesn't mean you have to "retaliate" (for a lack of other word) like this.

Amir is old and more than capable enough to stand up for himself. Which I don't think is even necessary as I didn't mean to insult him or call him name:rolleyes:

It's nothing personal it's just an observation.......he can either think about it for a sec and see what I meant or just ignore it and think that I should go and......you know ;)

btw "Eisenstein" (typo?)? You're giving me too much credit......I have a hunch that Einstein's IQ was a tiny bit higher.....and he definitely did more with that than wasting time on a football forum :D

zzgloo

08-02-2011, 11:50 AM

Hadi

08-02-2011, 12:23 PM

Babak agha

08-02-2011, 12:42 PM

i wont be asking questions just yet.

now the league has started, we know our group, and Queroz knows he needs to come up with a 2 year plan to get us to the world cup.

his every step from now on is critical. my first expectation from him is to radically change the TM playerlist and use you and fresh players, with 2014 world cup in mind. Let's see if he can build a new team, from scratch or will he stick with the same old squad.

Agreed!

But my question now is: if CQ fails to take Iran to WC, despite what ever reason (may it be the always present lack of professionalism by IFF, the lack of quality by players, injustice by AFC, bad luck, or whatever), do we give him the chance to continue and build TM and try to bring a bit of structure to the Iranian football? Or do we ask for his resignation by his first loss following a draw?

Kaiser Amir

08-02-2011, 01:06 PM

maij

08-02-2011, 01:08 PM

Majid Jan salam....
You may be right,that babak is not the one to point out members' wrong doings !....
But, you , please, I expect to point your finger at the right guilty parties...specialy the ones who have introduced vocabulary, unusual for F +........
If I or babak have faulty reasonings.......we could be either ignored or countered with better reasonings......and " Not Just being rediculed ",as you correctly termed " devilish provocation "..without any explanations.....

Bahram jan.

I am not judging on who is right and who is wrong. My simple message is: whatever is the problem . if you can even call that a problem , is between you and KaiserAmir. There is no need at all for someone else to barge in and start taking side therefore escalating the issue.
There is far too many of this happening in the board, particularly in the other forums, and that is not pleasant at all.

Both of you are very well capable to sort it out , even if you do not agree. If and I say , IF , you want a mediation , then i am sure that you guys can ask for it.

maij

08-02-2011, 01:19 PM

Payam Agha, I think the answer to Bahram explains it all.

Sarcasm is accepted by some and loathed by others. So, you would be in fact insulting some people by your sarcasm. I agree woth you that , Life is a bit boring without sarcasm , and I for one use it quite a bit , but you can't accuse someone of insulting another one while you are doing it yourself or as they say " have one's cake and eat it too."

Let them sort it out ....., like they already have and all will be fine.

Hajagha

08-02-2011, 01:29 PM

Agha Majid,

The "choosing" strategy works for me pretty well. I tried certain individuals and found out they have limited capacity for "active networking". I choose to not interact till they prove me wrong again.

Hope it works for you too. :)

Cheers,

zzgloo

08-02-2011, 05:02 PM

Dustan,
Salavat befrestin :)
I admit, I was out-of-line by laughing at zzgloo's reply.
However, it just doesn't make sense that he tried to justify Queiroz's absence when the league is about to kick-off by saying:
it is too soon to pay careful attention
At least, to me, the above statement doesn't make sense.
I didn't know that first fixtures of the league are LESS IMPORTANT than those more advanced in the season.
But, if zzgloo seems to think that way, then its his right.
Dooste aziz....
If you never explain why something is too " Mind blowing " for you.....you will never get out of that status......if you close door for explanations....either by others, or even expecting explanations from yourself..your mind will stay " Blown "..........
Let me give you an example ...

regarding " too soon to pay careful attention ".........here are things you said :

1- Does not make sense.
2-It is mind blowing.
3-I did not know that first fixture of the league is LESS IMPORTANT than those more advanced in the season......

These three assesment ( although they are not assesments ) are they only things you provided....as falacy of the statement " It is too soon ...".....
am I not right ?.....did you provide anything els to support your view ?

Now, tell me which one of those three are " True " reasonings ?.......what is it that you explained ?....what did you offer , that make my statement to be so funny ?

If you never ask, you would never know......

....Had you asked me to explain more,instead of staying within reasonless self thoughts.....I would have answered you :

A= The teams have not realy been ( Basteh " or :" Set "...and transactions still continue to lesser extend .

B=the Most teams have new coaches...they teams have not been jelled, to provide correct assesment to outside viewers.

C= There are hundreds of new players, firegn and domestic, with new teams,and new systems...again too soon to show themeseleves.

D=It would take few weeks atleast ,for all teams to creat a new chemistry .

F= It would atleast few weeks to assess the opponants they will be playing.

G= It would take atleast few weeks....for coaches to reach the final starters, and final strategy based on the talents at hand.

Etc,etc....
.............................

Now, you tell me.........and judge, between our reasonings.....and our approach to different views.......

You need to keep the doors open my firend , in case your mind is blown .

Kaiser Amir

08-02-2011, 05:13 PM

zzgloo Jan,

Thanks for the detailed explanations.

In my opinion though, as the national team coach, it doesn't matter which round of league you'll monitor.
You have just as many chances of finding good players for Team Melli if you follow round 6 of the league or round 16.

However, with World Cup qualifiers fast approaching, it was crucial for Queiroz to see as many league games as possible.

Thats why I believe he picked the wrong time to take a vacation.

But, my opinions can be totally wrong.
We'll find out on September 2 and 6 when Iran will face Indonesia and Qatar.

maij

08-02-2011, 07:39 PM

zzgloo

08-03-2011, 08:39 AM

Hajagha

08-03-2011, 09:17 AM

How could they prove you wrong,if you do not " Interact " ?

hehehe, that's smart question ZZ joon. :)

It's hard and needs a lot of effort. :D

It's the same formula of one dropping a rock in the well and require 40 to bring it up. ;)

So far, I haven't seen those individuals in my black list coming out though.

Life has so many options to stuck with a faulty one. :)

Cheers,

zzgloo

08-03-2011, 10:39 AM

hehehe, that's smart question ZZ joon. :)

It's hard and needs a lot of effort. :D

It's the same formula of one dropping a rock in the well and require 40 to bring it up. ;)

So far, I haven't seen those individuals in my black list coming out though.

Life has so many options to stuck with a faulty one. :)

Cheers,

I agree that the level of maturety is wide open on our forums.......
I also admit to some extend our cultural confrontational/rebeliouse nature......
But, there is something to be said about giving people " The secound chance " !....specialy with respect to the falacy and lack of transparency in cyber relations,and inadquency to find true charactors by some cyber statements....
people never come across as thier true self, nor can they truly explain what they have in mind...in addition to instantniouse responces,less thought of answers....and having to rationalize thier mistake later......
I personaly have asked myself often,if I realy meant what I wrote !,or why was I misunderstood .

Hajagha

08-03-2011, 10:45 AM

^ Well, you are right to some extend. However, we are talking about about a period of time evaluating people. It's well beyond "second chance".

As I said, gladly there are more options to interact than "trying the failed ones".

Again, that was my strategy, you may have more patience than I have. :)

Cheers,

zzgloo

08-03-2011, 11:04 AM

I , too, believe you are right to some extend as well........specialy the older we get,we have less patience......,and your advice is well recieved,if you had already given secound chances .......
I also do not have much patience.........yet in my mind, I try to stay away from absoltue personal polecies......I even some times, take it as challenge , to pay more attention to ' How " things are said , and not just " what " is said.........it is psycology game I play with myself......look and see, how people narrate thier thought.....what kind of compositional techniques they use,to convince others.....if thier narration is " Boldozing " , or " sand bagging ", or " Humble ", or " Logical "....if they have " Dedication to truth ",or if they just enjoy " confrontation ", or if they " say a lot within short stamenets ", or if ' They say nothing in Long stamenets "......
It is intersting to me, to compare " narrations "..