Gha'lenoie departing from Sepahan?

[Navid_Esfoony]

Apparently after three rounds of negotiations, Gha'lenoie and Sepehan were unable to reach an agreement. Sepahan is seeking to replace Gha'lenoie with Ebrahmizadeh and have contacted him in this regard. Also, although Fatollahzadeh has stated that Mazloomi will be the SS coach next year, there are some rumors about Gha'lenoie joining SS.

http://www.khabaronline.ir/news-155115.aspx

http://www.khabaronline.ir/news-155117.aspx

[siavasharian]

Please keep the transfer related comments within the official thread. Opening a new thread for each rumor/confirmed transfer will render the board useless.

http://www.persianfootball.com/forums/showthread.php?t=95455

[Neda]

He pushed for TM job but that did not go through his next option is SS,
so he may be backstabbing Mazloumi right now (exactly how he got
his first coaching job by backstabbing Naser Hejazi). He is also
keeping a very negative attitude towards Queiroz, I think
hoping that he cannot survive in Iran and he could
replace him. I don't think either job will be
available to him in the near future, so he
has really no other option but to
accept Sepahan's offer. It is
his best choice right now.

.

[Agha Kasra]

He pushed for TM job but that did not go through his next option is SS,
so he may be backstabbing Mazloumi right now (exactly how he got
his first coaching job by backstabbing Naser Hejazi). He is also
keeping a very negative attitude towards Queiroz, I think
hoping that he cannot survive in Iran and he could
replace him. I don't think either job will be
available to him in the near future, so he
has really no other option but to
accept Sepahan's offer. It is
his best choice right now.

.
Neda jaan, please explain how did GN get the job from backstabbing khodabiamorz Hejazi?

As I remember Pourheydari was the coach till 2002, we lost championship in the last round. after that he left. We had Roland koch in 2002/2003 season but after around 20 weeks he left cuz he had failed. Ghalenoi got the job after that and rebuilt Esteghlal.

How did he backstab khodabiamorz Hejazi the same way he might backstab Mazloumi?

[Siavash]

It is not a smart move by GN to leave Sepahan. Sepahan has a good chance at ACL where GN can prove his international abilities. However, it is hard to believe GN will leave Sepahan at this stage. I hope his ego does no hunt him again.

[Neda]

Qalenoi: They said salary cap and i said bye bye

http://www.asriran.com/fa/sport

ps
question is: which team is now dare to violate salary cap for amir khan?




قلعه*نویی: گفتند سقف قرارداد، گفتم خداحافظ
سرمربی تیم فوتبال سپاهان اصفهان در تشریح دلایل جدایی خود از این تیم گفت: با شرایطی که آقایان مطرح کردند نمی توانستم ادامه دهم.

[Neda]

Neda jaan, please explain how did GN get the job from backstabbing khodabiamorz Hejazi?... How did he backstab khodabiamorz Hejazi the same way he might backstab Mazloumi?


Nasser Khan charged him with conspiring against him using the mob.
Naser khan in many occasions called him "Adam Kootooleh" for
his mob connections and lack of integrity.

It is sad to see our football being hostage to such people.


http://www.navad.net/newscontent.aspx?NewsID=20080


*او به سکوها خط مي داد
تا قبل از اين که سرو کله بيانيه هاي تند و تيز محمد مايلي کهن پيدا بشود، بدون شک بزرگ ترين منتقد امير قلعه نويي، ناصر حجازي بود. او بارها و بارها به طور مستقيم و غيرمستقيم شاگرد اسبقش را به باد تندترين انتقادها گرفت. بعد از بازي مشهور استقلال و سايپا در سال 78 که به شکست سنگين آبي پوشان و اخراج حجازي انجاميد، اين مربي دست به افشاگري هايي زد که تقريباً در تمام آن ها، به نوعي نقش امير قلعه نويي هم قابل رصد بود. حجازي ادعا مي کرد در جريان آن بازي، يک نفر به سکوها خط داده که با برگشت ورق بازي، شروع به شعار دادن عليه کادر فني کنند.

حتي در همين رابطه بعدها يکي از ليدرهاي سرشناس استقلال لب به اعترافاتي گشود که در نوع خودش جالب بود و به نوعي حرف هاي حجازي را تاييد مي کرد. اسطوره فتوژنتيک آبي ها البته به مقصران داخل زمين هم اشاره کرد و به نوعي تلويحي پاي برومند و زرينچه را وسط کشيد. هر چه بود، حجازي رفت و پس از ناکامي عجيب استقلال در روز آخر ليگ اول حرفه اي با منصور پورحيدري، امير قلعه نويي دست به يک مصاحبه بلند يک صفحه اي با روزنامه «صبح ورزش» زد و اعلام کرد که براي سامان بخشيدن به اوضاع آشفته استقلال، خودش بايد وارد گود شود! امير به استقلال نزديک و نزديک تر و حجازي از آن دور و دورتر شد. همين مساله باعث مي شد دروازه بان اسبق آبي ها، پياپي عليه قلعه نويي مصاحبه کند. البته حجازي يک بار هم در ليگ هفتم روي نيمکت تيم محبوبش نشست، اما پس از ناکامي دوباره، باز هم پاي عوامل بيروني از جمله امير قلعه نويي را به ميان کشيد. ناصر خان به طور غيرمستقيم مدعي بود شاگرد «ناخلفش» به مذاکره با بازيکنان تيم هاي رو به رو، قبل از مسابقه مي پرداخت.

[St_Mark]

Qalenoi: They said salary cap and i said bye bye
http://www.asriran.com/fa/sport
ps
question is: which team is now dare to violate salary cap for amir khan?


قلعه نویی: گفتند سقف قرارداد، گفتم خداحافظ
سرمربی تیم فوتبال سپاهان اصفهان در تشریح دلایل جدایی خود از این تیم گفت: با شرایطی که آقایان مطرح کردند نمی توانستم ادامه دهم.
He also said ( If Borna report is accurate) , they told players one thing, they told him something else. He was referring to Salary cap.
It's a game, and each side play hardball, Each side willing to go even for divorce. They both can do well with or without each other.

It's not end of the game, but GN will coach in ACL regardless and more likely will earn more than any other Iranian Coach. He know how to play business part.

[Agha Kasra]

Nasser Khan charged him with conspiring against him using the mob.
Naser khan in many occasions called him "Adam Kootooleh" for
his mob connections and lack of integrity.

It is sad to see our football being hostage to such people.


http://www.navad.net/newscontent.aspx?NewsID=20080


*او به سکوها خط مي داد
تا قبل از اين که سرو کله بيانيه هاي تند و تيز محمد مايلي کهن پيدا بشود، بدون شک بزرگ ترين منتقد امير قلعه نويي، ناصر حجازي بود. او بارها و بارها به طور مستقيم و غيرمستقيم شاگرد اسبقش را به باد تندترين انتقادها گرفت. بعد از بازي مشهور استقلال و سايپا در سال 78 که به شکست سنگين آبي پوشان و اخراج حجازي انجاميد، اين مربي دست به افشاگري هايي زد که تقريباً در تمام آن ها، به نوعي نقش امير قلعه نويي هم قابل رصد بود. حجازي ادعا مي کرد در جريان آن بازي، يک نفر به سکوها خط داده که با برگشت ورق بازي، شروع به شعار دادن عليه کادر فني کنند.

حتي در همين رابطه بعدها يکي از ليدرهاي سرشناس استقلال لب به اعترافاتي گشود که در نوع خودش جالب بود و به نوعي حرف هاي حجازي را تاييد مي کرد. اسطوره فتوژنتيک آبي ها البته به مقصران داخل زمين هم اشاره کرد و به نوعي تلويحي پاي برومند و زرينچه را وسط کشيد. هر چه بود، حجازي رفت و پس از ناکامي عجيب استقلال در روز آخر ليگ اول حرفه اي با منصور پورحيدري، امير قلعه نويي دست به يک مصاحبه بلند يک صفحه اي با روزنامه «صبح ورزش» زد و اعلام کرد که براي سامان بخشيدن به اوضاع آشفته استقلال، خودش بايد وارد گود شود! امير به استقلال نزديک و نزديک تر و حجازي از آن دور و دورتر شد. همين مساله باعث مي شد دروازه بان اسبق آبي ها، پياپي عليه قلعه نويي مصاحبه کند. البته حجازي يک بار هم در ليگ هفتم روي نيمکت تيم محبوبش نشست، اما پس از ناکامي دوباره، باز هم پاي عوامل بيروني از جمله امير قلعه نويي را به ميان کشيد. ناصر خان به طور غيرمستقيم مدعي بود شاگرد «ناخلفش» به مذاکره با بازيکنان تيم هاي رو به رو، قبل از مسابقه مي پرداخت.

That still doesn't answer my question. How is this the same way of backstabbing?

[Neda]

That still doesn't answer my question. How is this the same way of backstabbing?

http://www.tebyan.net/sports/news/2010/3/23/118997.html

I am not sure what you mean by the above? Qalenoi used Boroomand and Zarrinche
against Naser Hejazi, especially in the heavy loss of Esteghlal against Saipa in 78
and Naser Khan charged him with using his players and the mob to fiix the game
against him. Wouldn't that be consider as backstabbing?

Interesting enough, years later Zarrinche exposed the game fixing that he did
so that qalenoi team esteghlal Ahvaz does not relegate to division 2!
For a long time, Qalenoi used such tactics to move up the ladder.



بعد از بازی مشهور استقلال و سایپا در سال 78 که به شکست سنگین آبی پوشان با درخشش ویژه پرویز برومند(!) انجامید و البته اخراج حجازی را هم به دنبال داشت، این مربی دست به افشاگری هایی زد که تقریباً در تمام آن ها، به نوعی نقش امیر قلعه نویی هم قابل رصد بود. حجازی ادعا می کرد در جریان آن بازی، یک نفر ( با لهجه صمد مرفاوی بخوانید لطفا!) به سکوها خط داده که با برگشت ورق بازی، شروع به شعار دادن علیه کادر فنی کنند.
...

- بله، ما تبانی کردیم!
یکی دیگر از مهم ترین پرونده هایی که امیر قلعه نویی طی سال های اخیر درگیر آن بوده، به ماجرای تبانی 2 تیم استقلال تهران و استقلال اهواز مربوط می شود. بعد از ناکامی استقلال در لیگ قهرمانان آسیا در فصل گذشته، جواد زرینچه به انتقاد از عملکرد قلعه نویی پرداخت و البته امیر با لحنی زننده، همبازی سابقش را در حدی ندانست که بتواند کار او را زیر سوال ببرد. این واکنش سرمربی وقت استقلال، جواد را حسابی بر آشفت و باعث شد مدافع سال های نه چندان دور استقلال مدعی شود لطف او در لیگ دوم سبب شد قلعه نویی با استقلال اهواز به لیگ یک سقوط نکند! این ادعا از طرف رسانه ها مورد پیگیری قرار گرفت و حتی کار به جایی رسید که جواد زرینچه در برنامه زنده «ورزش از نگاه دو»، عملا به موضوع اعتراف کند و بینندگان تلویزیونی را در حیرت و شگفتی فرو برد. ادعای تبانی را حتی تنی چند از بازیکنان حاضر در آن مسابقه، مثل علیرضا اکبرپور و محمد نوازی تایید کردند، اما کار با «ماله کشی» کمیته انضباطی، تنها با چند جلسه محرومیت زرینچه خاتمه پیدا کرد.

[Siavash]

Qalenoi: They said salary cap and i said bye bye
http://www.asriran.com/fa/sport
ps
question is: which team is now dare to violate salary cap for amir khan?


قلعه*نویی: گفتند سقف قرارداد، گفتم خداحافظ
سرمربی تیم فوتبال سپاهان اصفهان در تشریح دلایل جدایی خود از این تیم گفت: با شرایطی که آقایان مطرح کردند نمی توانستم ادامه دهم.
maybe Sepahan is doing this to get rid of GN in favor of Ebrahimzadeh.

[St_Mark]

maybe Sepahan is doing this to get rid of GN in favor of Ebrahimzadeh.
He is one reason
http://img.irna.ir/1390/13900228/30392032/T30392032-1272020.jpg



Just before game against Perspolis He made Coach & players worried about intent to observe strict salary cap.
In a meeting with GN .Saket did not argue against Chairman.


* مصاحبه رئيس هيات مديره

" سپاهان سقف قرارداد را رعايت نكرد. من خودم هم با سقف قرارداد مخالفم اما امسال مي خواهم در قراردادها نظارت داشته باشم " حسيني رئيس هيات مديره باشگاه سپاهان درست قبل از بازي تيمش مقابل پرسپوليس در ليگ برتر درحالي اين جملات پر معنا را مطرح كرد كه شايد خودش هم فكرش را نمي كرد بيان جملاتي كه يك فصل تمام تيم هاي ليگ برتري به عناوين مختلف باشگاه اصفهاني را متهم به آن كرده بودند باعث شود تا آرامش دروني اين تيم را بگيرد و سبب شود تا در آستانه نقل و انتقالات به جاي يارگيري تازه سرمربي موفق خود را هم از دست بدهند.
هر چند در مديريت باشگاهي ايران از هم پاشيدگي تيم به دليل مسائل دروني كم سابقه نيست و اتفاقا سابقه زيادي دارد اما براي علاقه مندان به تيم سپاهان اين كه براي تيم آنها هم چنين مسئله اي رخ دهد چندان قابل درك نيست.
صحبت هاي حسيني و اصرار او بر رعايت سقف قرارداد آن هم براي تيمي كه بايد در ليگ قهرمانان آسيا براي قهرماني بجنگد و در ليگ برتر از عنوان قهرماني خود دفاع كند محور اصلي مذاكره امير قلعه نويي با مديران سپاهان بوده است.

* دفاع قلعه نويي از بازيكنان براي قرارداد


امير قلعه نويي مربي بي تجربه اي نيست. او عادت ندارد براي مربيگري در تيمي مثل سپاهان به كم قانع باشد و درحالي كه براي قهرماني هدف گذاري كرده به يكباره تيم خود را از هم پاشيده ببيند.
او مي داند با توجه به پيشنهادهاي چشمگيري كه بازيكنان ممكن است از تيم هاي ديگر داشته باشند نمي تواند آنها را با 350ميليون تومان و اصرار بر اضافه نشدن اين مبلغ حفظ كند و از دست دادن بازيكنان تاثيرگذار و داشتن تيمي كه تجربه سال گذشته را نداشته باشد راهي است به سوي سراشيبي و امير قلعه نويي تاب سراشيبي را بعد از دو سال موفقيت ندارد. البته رعايت سقف قرارداد بازيكنان يكي از دلايل عدم توافق امير با مسئولان سپاهان است.

* ساكت موافق حفظ قلعه نويي است

در اين بين محمدرضا ساكت مديرعامل باشگاه كه همواره عامل اجرايي تصميمات گرفته شده در هيات مديره باشگاه سپاهان است مثل هميشه اصول حرفه اي را رعايت مي كند. او نمي خواهد خلاف نظرات هيات مديره حركت كند اما همچنان معتقد است بايد امير قلعه نويي حفظ شود. هر چند قلعه نويي در گفت و گو با خبرنگار ورزشي خبرگزاري فارس اعلام كرد كه با باشگاه سپاهان توافق نكرده و براي اين تيم آرزوي موفقيت مي كند اما باشگاه سپاهان همچنان مي خواهد امير را حفظ كند و اين روند مذاكرات را تمام شده نمي داند.


* ابراهيم زاده گزينه جانشيني قلعه نويي؟

اين روزها بحث حضور منصور ابراهيم زاده به جاي امير قلعه نويي مطرح است. البته باشگاه ذوب آهن اعلام كرده كه مي خواهد اين مربي را حفظ كند اما با توجه به كارنامه ابراهيم زاده بعيد نيست كه وي در صورت قطعي شدن عدم همكاري قلعه نويي با سپاهان، گزينه اصلي هدايت زردپوشان باشد.
در باشگاه سپاهان فعلا چيزي قطعي نيست. آنچه مسلم است وضعيت كادرفني و بازيكنان اين تيم مشخص نيست و فرصت ها در حال از دست رفتن است.

[Navid_Esfoony]

He is one reason
http://img.irna.ir/1390/13900228/30392032/T30392032-1272020.jpg

Who is he?

[Masoud_A]

GhaleNoi knows Sepahan is the only club who can afford him and the players he wants in Iran, so he is just trying to get a better contract.

[St_Mark]

Who is he?

He is the boss

..
غلامحسین حسینی عضو هیئت مدیره این شرکت و مدیر کل پیشین اداره استاندارد استان اصفهان و ریاست هیئت مدیره باشگاه فولاد مبارکه سپاهان

[Navid_Esfoony]

He is the boss

..
غلامحسین حسینی عضو هیئت مدیره این شرکت و مدیر کل پیشین اداره استاندارد استان اصفهان و ریاست هیئت مدیره باشگاه فولاد مبارکه سپاهان

Damn, he is the boss.

[NFL]

my guess is that clubs won'nt have enough money to pay their players and coaches and as you can see our players and our coaches have become very "por roo"...

As Dadkan said so beautifully after the AC Games.. tell all coaches and players they have to play for free, and then we'll see how many of them are able find jobs outside of Iran.. that should teach them a lesson..

anyways.. IMO, neither our players nor the coaches are worth the money they get paid.. everyone should take a pay cut.. the whole country is bankrupt.. this is gonna hit home sooner or later..

[St_Mark]

my guess is that clubs won'nt have enough money to pay their players and coaches and as you can see our players and our coaches have become very "por roo"...

As Dadkan said so beautifully after the AC Games.. tell all coaches and players they have to play for free, and then we'll see how many of them are able find jobs outside of Iran.. that should teach them a lesson..

anyways.. IMO, neither our players nor the coaches are worth the money they get paid.. everyone should get a pay cut.. the whole country is bankrupt.. this is gonna hit home sooner or later..
It is about System & Market, these have their own terms, rules and functions...
It is not going to work if you impose one set of rules into section of the system and different rules for the rest.
If salary cap is good then it should be applied across the board.
Currently they don't observe cap for foreign players or coaches, then why discriminate against Iranians?
These artificial restrictions open the door for cheating, behind the scene payments and all sort of wrong doing, some of these behind the scene activities are against the law and criminal ( related to tax fraud)
It is beyond knowledge, expertise or competencies of current IFF regime to deal with this issue..

GN’s argument is correct.
If Sepahan want to observe salary cap, they will lose few starters, won't able recruit best available new players and will lose GN.
Luka & EZ may accept the term, but not GN.
Sepahan has a lot to lose if they waste time and opportunities.

[siavasharian]

maybe Sepahan is doing this to get rid of GN in favor of Ebrahimzadeh.
I have absolutely no idea whether the following is true but according to some dude called Shapoor whose IP address is 91.99.238.158 (I have no other information about him) ebrahimzadeh signed a contract with sepahan 2 months ago in the lobby of Hotel Aseman. His exacts words were:




اقاي ابراهيم زاده....شما 2 ماه پيش...لابي هتل آسمان.... قراردادت با سپاهان به امضا رسوندي....يادت مي ياد.... معاوضه مربي ها مبارک... دستور از بالا بود که قرارداد امير تمديد نشه..

[St_Mark]

I have absolutely no idea whether the following is true but according to some dude called Shapoor whose IP address is 91.99.238.158 (I have no other information about him) ebrahimzadeh signed a contract with sepahan 2 months ago in the lobby of Hotel Aseman. His exacts words were:
You are smarter than that dear.

If a contract was signed even a week ago (let alone 2 months ago) it is illeigal and null . Transfer period just started and contract has to be sign within legal time frame.

Beside Zobahan is in same boat as Sepahan and with less money and more debt, how they can pay GN? how they will deal with Salary Cap? Salary cap is main reason their Star Khalatbari is leaving.
I think this will not stand, but if Zobahan is forced to observe SC , and EZ leave, then their choices is limited to Korbekandi type coach.

[siavasharian]

You are smarter than that dear.

If a contract was signed even a week ago (let alone 2 months ago) it is illeigal and null . Transfer period just started and contract has to be sign within legal time frame.

Actually, the transfer season is not officially started yet, and it will not start until 21st of khordad which is in about 6 days. (http://www.parsfootball.com/PersianGulf/52126.html)
Any contract signed prior to that date is indeed illegal and void. These contracts, including the one that Jasim Karar signed with ESTEGHLAL, are internal contracts. As of last year internal contracts are valid and breach of internal contracts is punishable by 50% of the total contract amount. The legal loophole is to sign the contract but not date it or date it for a future day. All Iranians (specifically Isfahanies) are masters of finding these loopholes. So if they wanted to sign him 2 months ago, they could’ve signed him 2 months ago.

Either way, as I mentioned before, I have absolutely no idea whether he is telling the truth or not.

[dvader6]

a real test of QN's abilities is if he takes on an ordinary team without a bus-full of super stars like in ss or sepahan.

I remember he was Mes' and ss-ahvaz's coach. but did he have one whole season with them? and what was their final ranking? anyone remembers?

[St_Mark]

a real test of QN's abilities is if he takes on an ordinary team without a bus-full of super stars like in ss or sepahan.

I remember he was Mes' and ss-ahvaz's coach. but did he have one whole season with them? and what was their final ranking? anyone remembers?

Esteghlal Ahwaz with him advanced to IPL, then GN left and moved on.

[Neda]

... I remember he was Mes' and ss-ahvaz's coach. but did he have one whole season with them? and what was their final ranking? anyone remembers?


he made a big deal about his performance in mes but when i looked,
he only got 1 more win than the previous half season, so mes really did not
improve much despite all the big noise that he made. he is a gr8 propagandist.

ghalenoi's major success is off the pitch: from the stands to the dallals, the refs
and the purchases and everything else surrounding the team. his expertise is in hashieh

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[siavasharian]

he made a big deal about his performance in mes but when i looked,
he only got 1 more win than the previous half season, so mes really did not
improve much despite all the big noise that he made. he is a gr8 propagandist.

ghalenoi's major success is off the pitch: from the stands to the dallals, the refs
and the purchases and everything else surrounding the team. his expertise is in hashieh

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Neda,
I always respected and I always defended you,
But now you lied and I have no choice but to expose your lies.
Here is the complete list of Mes Kerman games in IPL7, as you can see Mes collected only 17 points in the first half of the season but an astonishing 28 points in the second half. That’s more than any other team in the league. (considering longiz lost point for using illegal players. Yes, when you buy a player and you can’t pay him, he is an illegal player)
That’s 11 more points and 3 more wins and 5 less losses not just 1 win as “when you looked”.
Please don’t deceive people with your fabrications especially on subjects were you can be exposed so easily.
I hate liars.


1 Paas HMD 1 - 0 Mes KRM
2 Mes KRM 1 - 1 Zobahan ESF
3 Esteghlal TEH 1 - 1 Mes KRM
4 Mes KRM 2 - 1 Esteghlal AHV
5 Malavan ANZ 2 - 0 Mes KRM
6 Sanat Naft ABD 1 - 2 Mes KRM
7 Mes KRM 1 - 2 ShirinFaraz KER
8 Saipa KRJ 0 - 0 Mes KRM
9 Mes KRM 1 - 3 Bargh SHZ
10 Saba TEH 0 - 1 Mes KRM
11 Mes KRM 1 - 1 Sepahan ESF
12 piroozi TEH 1 - 0 Mes KRM
13 Mes KRM 2 - 0 Pegah RST
14 Abumoslem MSH 2 - 1 Mes KRM
15 Mes KRM 2 - 3 Paykan TEH
16 Rahahan TEH 3 - 1 Mes KRM
17 Mes KRM 0 - 0 Fajr SHZ

totals:
win: 4
dra: 5
los: 8
points: 17


18 Mes KRM 2 - 0 Paas HMD
19 Zobahan ESF 0 - 0 Mes KRM
20 Mes KRM 1 - 0 Esteghlal TEH
21 Esteghlal AHV 2 - 2 Mes KRM
22 Mes KRM 1 - 0 Malavan ANZ
23 Mes KRM 0 - 1 Sanat Naft ABD
24 ShirinFaraz KER 0 - 3 Mes KRM
25 Mes KRM 2 - 1 Saipa KRJ
26 Bargh SHZ 2 - 1 Mes KRM
27 Mes KRM 0 - 1 Saba TEH
28 Sepahan ESF 1 - 1 Mes KRM
29 Mes KRM 0 - 0 piroozi TEH
30 Pegah RST 0 - 0 Mes KRM
31 Mes KRM 1 - 1 Abumoslem MSH
32 Paykan TEH 1 - 1 Mes KRM
33 Mes KRM 2 - 1 Rahahan TEH
34 Fajr SHZ 1 - 3 Mes KRM

totals:
win:7
dra:7
los:3
points:28

[Neda]

Neda,
I always respected and I always defended you,
...
Please don’t deceive people with your fabrications especially on subjects were you can be exposed so easily.
I hate liars ...


You also judge people too quickly and that is a weakness.

I will check into this, but I know Ghalenoi did not join Mes
in half season, so what you had in your post is not correct
performance of Ghalenoi. You should first figure out when
he joined Mes, then come with the stats and use it to make
such inflammatory statements and personal attacks as above!

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[St_Mark]

You also judge people too quickly and that is a weakness.
I will check into this, but I know Ghalenoi did not join Mes
in half season, so what you had in your post is not correct
performance of Ghalenoi. You should first figure out when
he joined Mes, then come with the stats and use it to make
such inflammatory statements and personal attacks as above!
.
You are just hateful person:)
I did compare few of coaches few years back , when GN was at MEShttp://i53.tinypic.com/2up3gn9.jpg
He did well.

[Neda]

You are just hateful person:)
I did compare few of coaches few years back , when GN was at MES...
He did well.


He did well and his team finished 10th.
As far as I remember, Farhad Kazemi left Mes around week 10,
so it was not as if Mes was going to relegate early into the league.
There is a big difference between doing well and making a hero out of
an ordinary coach.

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[St_Mark]

He did well, but his team finished 10th!
As far as I remember, Farhad Majidi left Mes around week 10,
so it was not as if Mes was going to relegate early into the league.
There is a big difference between doing well and making a hero out of someone.
.
For period he was there his stat is best in comparison.
Look at it yourself. I remember few people on board ( few haters ) comparing him with Dr Z then. Zolfagharnasab was very popular then. My stat showed he did better than him.

[siavasharian]

a real test of QN's abilities is if he takes on an ordinary team without a bus-full of super stars like in ss or sepahan.

I remember he was Mes' and ss-ahvaz's coach. but did he have one whole season with them? and what was their final ranking? anyone remembers?
Here is the league table during the second half of IPL7 which Amir Ghalenoie coached Mes. He did a damn good job. Tell me you are not impressed.

1. Zobahan ESF 29 points
2. Mes KRM 28 points
3. Abumoslem MSH 27 points
4. Pegah RST 27 points
5. Saipa KRJ 26 points
6. Sepahan ESF 24 points
7. Paas HMD 24 points
8. Rahahan TEH 24 points
9. piroozi TEH 23 points
10. Saba TEH 23 points
11. Esteghlal AHV 23 points
12. Bargh SHZ 22 points
13. Paykan TEH 22 points
14. Fajr SHZ 22 points
15. Esteghlal TEH 20 points
16. Sanat Naft ABD 19 points
17. Malavan ANZ 9 points
18. ShirinFaraz KER 6 points

[siavasharian]

You also judge people too quickly and that is a weakness.

I will check into this, but I know Ghalenoi did not join Mes
in half season, so what you had in your post is not correct
performance of Ghalenoi. You should first figure out when
he joined Mes, then come with the stats and use it to make
such inflammatory statements and personal attacks as above!

.
Neda,
You are assassinating the character of a human being without doing even a little research,
I see absolutely no difference between you and akhoond khalkhali,
This ain’t right,
change your ways,
I care about you,
I care about your message,
But you are going at it the wrong way,
You are assassinating an innocent human being,
Do you even understand how much harm you are causing?
This ain’t right man
This ain’t right

[Neda]

Here is the league table during the second half of IPL7 which Amir Ghalenoie coached Mes. He did a damn good job. Tell me you are not impressed.


Mes had a good team and good players that Farhad Kazemi had put together.
Farhad kazemi got into a dispute with management and resigned after week 13
game but his resignation was not accepted but he pretty much was not effectively
coaching the team. Mes went into a big turmoil with 3 consecutive loses during this period.

I am still not sure when Ghalenoi joined the team, but if you take Farhad
Kazemi's wins over 13 weeks (4 wins) is very similar to Ghalenoi's wins
in the last 17 weeks (7 wins) 4/13*17= 6.8

This is why I think ghalenoi's effect was minimal in Mes. Kazemi did the work.

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[siavasharian]

p.s. St_Mark is absolutely correct. Amir Ghalenoie joined mess EXACTLY at half season.

[siavasharian]

Mes had a good team and good players that Farhad Kazemi had put together.
Farhad kazemi got into a dispute with management and resigned after week 13
game but his resignation was not accepted but he pretty much was not effectively
coaching the team. Mes went into a big turmoil with 3 consecutive loses during this period.


Really? You want to keep doing this?
Why can’t you just accept that you were wrong and apologize to Amir Ghalenoie for making such baseless accusations?
I have attached the list of Mes players in IPL7,
Please tell me who are these wonderful players that you are talking about? Who did they have other than Mehdi Rahmati? (who wasn’t really hot back then, he was only a backup for Vahid Talebloo)
Don’t say Ali Molaei as he turned out to be a doper,
And don’t say Edinho cause he played 10 games (including hazfi) and scored only 1 goal.

Hassan Asakereh
Neamat Bakhshizade
Mohamad Borji
Morteza Ebrahimi
Vicenta Edinho
Seko Fofona
HamidReza Ghanizadeh
Reza Ghanizadeh
Maysam Hajian
Farzad HossainKhani
Uche Iheruome
Kamal Kaamyabi
Karim Kamiarinia
Pasha Khalili
Shahin Khayri
HamidReza Khedmatkari
Majid Khodabandelo
Mehdi Kiani
Ouche Meninho
Rasool Mirtoroghi
Ali Molaei
Ali Mombini
Gerardo Morales
Sina Najafian
Rasool Navidkia
Abbas Noorsabri
Jalal Omidian
Mehdi Rahmati
HamidReza Rajabi
Mohsen Rasooli
Ali Rezaei
Rouhollah Rezai
Arman Shahdadnejad
HamidReza Sharafi
Luciano Toranho
Siavash Varaei
Roberto Zaltron

[Neda]

Really? You want to keep doing this?
Why can’t you just accept that you were wrong and apologize to Amir Ghalenoie for making such baseless accusations? ...


As I showed, Mes result during Farhad Kazemi and Ghalenoi were comparable.
The percentage of wins of the two coaches were almost exactly the same.

I do not know how old you are, but I see lots of immaturity in your posts,
which makes you vulnerable to all kinds of the exasperated propagandas.

You owe me an apology for your baseless accusation and personal attack.
If u wait a bit, just like Ghotbi, soon GANDE Ghalenoi HAM DAR MIYAAD.

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[siavasharian]

As I showed, Mes result during Farhad Kazemi and Ghalenoi were comparable.
The percentage of wins of the two coaches were almost exactly the same.

I do not know how old you are, but I see lots of immaturity in your posts,
which makes you vulnerable to all kinds of the exasperated propagandas.

You owe me an apology for your baseless accusation and personal attack.
If u wait a bit, just like Ghotbi, soon GANDE Ghalenoi HAM DAR MIYAAD.

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Don’t change the subject,

The issue is not comparing General Amir Ghalenoie with Farhad Kazemi ,

The issue is whether General Amir Ghalenoie can perform with a team that is not as star infested as ESTEGHLAL or sepahan,

The list of names that I provided proves that mes did not have many star players,

The league table that I provided proves that he won second place, only a single point behind zob ahan,

The conclusion is that YES, HE CAN PERFORM JUST AS GREAT WITH LOWER RANKED TEAMS.


By the way,


You did not show anything other than some more lies because kazemi won only 4 out of 15 games (26.6%) but General Amir Ghalenoie won 7 out of 17 (41.17%) 26.6% is not comparable to 41.17%. It’s the difference between relegation zone and ACL spot.

Why do you count only wins and not draws or loses?

Why don’t you say that kazemi lost 7 out of 15 games (46.6%) but General Amir Ghalenoie lost only 3 out of 17 (17.64%)



In case you decided to change the subject again and play the 13 games card:

You did not even know when Amir Ghalenoie joined MES, do you expect me to believe that you have detailed information about how kazemi sat on the bench but did not coach the team? Even if that is true, then his win% will move up to only 30% which is still 11% less than Amir Ghalenoie. Not even close.

[Neda]

Don’t change the subject,
The issue is not comparing General Amir Ghalenoie with Farhad Kazemi ,
The issue is whether General Amir Ghalenoie can perform with a team that is not as star infested as ESTEGHLAL or sepahan,
...
Why don’t you say that kazemi lost 7 out of 15 games (46.6%) but General Amir Ghalenoie lost only 3 out of 17 (17.64%)
... do you expect me to believe that you have detailed information about how kazemi sat on the bench but did not coach the team? Even if that is true, then his win% will move up to only 30% which is still 11% less than Amir Ghalenoie. Not even close.

I was comparing Ghalenoi with previous Mes coach and concluding that he was
only marginally better. Farhad Kazemi coached Mes the first 13 games and then
resigned. During this period, he had:
4 Wins (31%)
4 Draws (31%)
16 points (41%)

After a 4 week transition period, ghalenoi joined Mes and played 17 games:
7 wins (41%)
7 draws (41%)
28 points (55%)

So, I agreed that he performed better, but just marginally better.
Not a blow out that you are led to believe and Mes was in no danger of relegation.

ps
Don't ever rush to judge people and call them liar and other names.
First ask them about their rationale, then try to judge fairly.

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[siavasharian]

^Changing the subject AGAIN eh?
I am not judging you at all,
If anything, I am prosecuting you and exposing your fabrications.
I let the people be the judge.
And LOL at your mathematics.

[SeZaAhan]

you guys wasted more time than all the saudi teams have wasted in their life.!!!
But in my opinion ebrahim zadeh is better than Ghalenoei.

[Neda]

^Changing the subject AGAIN eh?
I am not judging you at all,
If anything, I am prosecuting you and exposing your fabrications.
I let the people be the judge.
And LOL at your mathematics.


Fabrications is when you include the period that Mes had effectively no coach
and losing game after game in you math, only to make Ghalenoi look better
than what he really was. This may work for a while but time will reveal

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[siavasharian]

^more fabrications and now falsifications.
Neda, Chera nemifahmi man chi m1gam?
This thread is about Ghalenoie not Kazemi
We are comparing [mes of Ghalenoie] with [mes of all others].

[siavasharian]

NEDA
Be man enough and answer this question with a simple yes or no.

Do you agree that in IPL 7 mes did not have many star players in comparison with ESTEGHLAL of IPL 8 and sepahan of IPL 9 and 10?

[Amin_]

lol Siavash you're actually trying to have a debate with Neda/Nakhl regarding GN?! Give it up man, no matter what you bring up, he will keep repeating the same things over and over again, no matter how many times you prove him wrong.


As in this discussion, he doesn't seem to understand that we are not comparing Kazemi's record with GN's, but we're trying to answer the question that was raised whether or not GN can also perform with an average, non star studded team.


Even if we say that Kazemi's record was comparable with GN's, it still doesn't prove that GN didn't perform well, since his stats are there for everyone to see (2nd best points in the league, only 1 point behind ZZ).
Even if Kazemi's record is comparable, it only shows that Kazemi did a good job as well, and not that GN's performance was "bad" or anything (it's ridicilous to claim such a thing when the stats are there cut and clear).


My advice to you is to let it be when it comes down to trying to have a sensible debate with Nakhl/Ala/Neda regarding these issues.

[siavasharian]

lol Siavash you're actually trying to have a debate with Neda/Nakhl regarding GN?! Give it up man, no matter what you bring up, he will keep repeating the same things over and over again, no matter how many times you prove him wrong.
As in this discussion, he doesn't seem to understand that we are not comparing Kazemi's record with GN's, but we're trying to answer the question that was raised whether or not GN can also perform with an average, non star studded team.
Even if we say that Kazemi's record was comparable with GN's, it still doesn't prove that GN didn't perform well, since his stats are there for everyone to see (2nd best points in the league, only 1 point behind ZZ).
Even if Kazemi's record is comparable, it only shows that Kazemi did a good job as well, and not that GN's performance was "bad" or anything (it's ridicilous to claim such a thing when the stats are there cut and clear).
My advice to you is to let it be when it comes down to trying to have a sensible debate with Nakhl/Ala/Neda regarding these issues.

He usually flank attacks every subject from different and often unrelated perspectives. Sometimes he is right but when he is wrong he falsifies information to achieve his goals. He has unmatched ability in connecting gooz to shaghighe. His differentiating factor however is his persistence; forcing others to give-up and quit thus creating the illusion that he has won the debate. This time however he messed with the wrong guy. He miscalculated my devotion to the General. Unless this thread is locked-up, I am prepared to continue the debate for years; decades even. Once I’m done with him on this subject (“whether or not GN can also perform with an average, non star studded team”) I will go back to the earlier baseless accusations that he made regarding match fixing.

Believe me when I say that I will have the last post on this thread. ;)

Now let’s see if he is man enough to answer my question.

[kaz]

a real test of QN's abilities is if he takes on an ordinary team without a bus-full of super stars like in ss or sepahan.

I remember he was Mes' and ss-ahvaz's coach. but did he have one whole season with them? and what was their final ranking? anyone remembers?

He already did it with Esteghlal in his first tenure. He brought all the young players which are household names these days. I think this is the 100th time I've mentioned this on this site.

Neda is talking garbage per usual.

[Neda]

lol Siavash you're actually trying to have a debate with Neda/Nakhl regarding GN?! Give it up man, no matter what you bring up, he will keep repeating the same things over and over again, no matter how many times you prove him wrong...


... Neda is talking garbage per usual.


He usually flank attacks every subject from different and often unrelated perspectives... Believe me when I say that I will have the last post on this thread. ;)
Now let’s see if he is man enough to answer my question.


Now, who is doing flank attack?!
Remember how you were trashing Branko?
Wasn't that a flank attack also w/ the leadership of ur hero?
Thank god he got a chance to coach TM and we saw him at international level.

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[siavasharian]

Now, who is doing flank attack?!
Remember how you were trashing Branko?
Wasn't that a flank attack also w/ the leadership of ur hero?
Thank god he got a chance to coach TM and we saw him at international level.

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You are not going to answer my question, are you?

[Neda]

You are not going to answer my question, are you?


I won't even going to read or respond to you anymore
go ahead and say whatever you please

.

[siavasharian]

^ i knew you will give up sooner or later.

[Ali Chicago]

I am usually critical of the SiavashIran but you are more peeleh than Neda. Now that is not what one can say about many people!!!!:D

[Neda]

I am usually critical of the SiavashIran but you are more peeleh than Neda. Now that is not what can say about many people!!!!:D


lol @ peeleh!

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[siavasharian]

^
You don’t like people who peeleh right? You’d rather see them just accept your false information.

For example you’d hate it when people remember how branko lost to china.

[NFL]

It is about System & Market, these have their own terms, rules and functions...
It is not going to work if you impose one set of rules into section of the system and different rules for the rest.
If salary cap is good then it should be applied across the board.
Currently they don't observe cap for foreign players or coaches, then why discriminate against Iranians?
These artificial restrictions open the door for cheating, behind the scene payments and all sort of wrong doing, some of these behind the scene activities are against the law and criminal ( related to tax fraud)
It is beyond knowledge, expertise or competencies of current IFF regime to deal with this issue..

GN’s argument is correct.
If Sepahan want to observe salary cap, they will lose few starters, won't able recruit best available new players and will lose GN.
Luka & EZ may accept the term, but not GN.
Sepahan has a lot to lose if they waste time and opportunities.

your argument would be true if we were talking about a country like a European country or the U.S , where the laws are for everyone, including the leaders..

but in Iran there is already cheating, fraud and double standards going on.. so setting up salary cap doesn't OPEN anything ..

Sepahan will not lose any players , due to Salary cap, because if there is a salary cap then every team has to obey it.. Sepahan has spent more money than any other team for many years (even before IPL), so if the rules are going to be leveled for everyone then it is a good thing..

eitherway, GN ain't worth half the money he gets paid and the same is true for every single player and coach in IPL.. a bunch of overpaid, underachievers who have made themselves wealthy off the "beytolmal" and returned nothing...

GN want's $1 million (1.2 miliard toman) and Sepahan can't afford it.. as I said before I expect more clubs to crumble down as they are all bankrupt (I am talking about their companies) like the rest of the country..

[SeZaAhan]

your argument would be true if we were talking about a country like a European country or the U.S , where the laws are for everyone, including the leaders..
but in Iran there is already cheating, fraud and double standards going on.. so setting up salary cap doesn't OPEN anything ..
Sepahan will not lose any players , due to Salary cap, because if there is a salary cap then every team has to obey it.. Sepahan has spent more money than any other team for many years (even before IPL), so if the rules are going to be leveled for everyone then it is a good thing..
eitherway, GN ain't worth half the money he gets paid and the same is true for every single player and coach in IPL.. a bunch of overpaid, underachievers who have made themselves wealthy off the "beytolmal" and returned nothing...
Exaclty , completely agree with you.
Wish khalatbari , arash afshin , and oladi would have joined sepahan. Khosrow would do ehsans job.

[siavasharian]

Mes was in no danger of relegation.


The following is the IPL 7 table after 17 weeks. Amir Ghalenoie was not coaching MES during this period. Since Neda is GHAHR with me, could another member please let me know whether Mes was in danger of relegation or not????

Amin help me out here, I am truly puzzled, :whatta:

1. piroozi TEH 36 points
2. Sepahan ESF 34 points
3. Saba TEH 29 points
4. Malavan ANZ 27 points
5. Paas HMD 25 points
6. Bargh SHZ 25 points
7. Paykan TEH 24 points
8. Abumoslem MSH 23 points
9. Esteghlal AHV 23 points
10. Esteghlal TEH 23 points
11. Rahahan TEH 20 points
12. Fajr SHZ 20 points
13. Zobahan ESF 19 points
14. Saipa KRJ 19 points
15. Mes KRM 17 points
16. Sanat Naft ABD 16 points
17. ShirinFaraz KER 15 points
18. Pegah RST 11 points
p.s. I may be wrong about the number of points sepahan and piroozi had. Their point reduction made this table a little difficult to build. All positions are correct though.

[Neda]

... Since Neda is GHAHR with me, could another member please let me know whether Mes was in danger of relegation or not????
Amin help me out here, I am truly puzzled, :whatta:
...
13. Zobahan ESF 19 points
14. Saipa KRJ 19 points
15. Mes KRM 17 points
16. Sanat Naft ABD 16 points
17. ShirinFaraz KER 15 points
18. Pegah RST 11 points


:o Even Amin is not responding to you

hint:
According to the above, not even Pegah with 11 points, but also Zobahan and Saipa
were also in danger of relegation. but what was their final standing?

[Siavash]

How fast these threads change direction, anyone knows what happend with GN and Sepahan.

[Amin_]

I'd say a team that stands 15th in a 18 team league, with 3 relegating, is in danger of relegation.

Yes, I would say Zob Ahan and Saipa were also in danger of relegation (only 3 points seperated them from a relegation spot), and the fact that they eventually moved up in the standings means they did well in the 2nd half of the season, which counts for Mes as well under GN, even more than for the others!

[siavasharian]

:o Even Amin is not responding to you

hint:
According to the above, not even Pegah with 11 points, but also Zobahan and Saipa
were also in danger of relegation. but what was their final standing?

saipa finished in the 11th place just under mes. keep in mind that saipa was the defending champion and in terms of quality players, they were much better than mes.

Zobahan gained 1 more point (over mes) and finished in the 6th place only 4 points better than mes . that same zobahan team went on to play in the ACL finals only one season later.

The zobahan of IPL 7 was very similar to their current team. They had players like Khalatbari , Ashjari, Farsheed Talebi, Mohsen Mosalman, Hadi Shakori, Mohammad Mansori, Esmail Farhadi, Vahid Amraei, Ghasem Haddadifar, Mohammad Salsali, etc. They also had that big black goalkeeper Eisa Andovi. Zobahan was the most star infested team after piroozi tehran.

[siavasharian]

Mes was in no danger of relegation.




Zobahan and Saipa were also in danger of relegation.

When you say: “Zobahan and Saipa were also in danger of relegation”, does that mean that you take back your earlier comment when you said: “Mes was in no danger of relegation.”

[SeZaAhan]

When you say: “Zobahan and Saipa were also in danger of relegation”, does that mean that you take back your earlier comment when you said: “Mes was in no danger of relegation.”
Ghalenoei momkenast be tractor sazi tabriz beravad !!

Omran lol.

http://www.navad.net/newscontent.aspx?NewsID=23534

[Siavash]

^ Good, let see what GN can do with Trackto....

[Neda]

When you say: “Zobahan and Saipa were also in danger of relegation”, does that mean that you take back your earlier comment when you said: “Mes was in no danger of relegation.”


I don't believe in that, i was quoting you on that.
Just look how many points other teams (Pegah, Saipa and Zob) made in
the second half and you'll find that they did the same or better than Mes.

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[siavasharian]

I don't believe in that, i was quoting you on that.
Just look how many points other teams (Pegah, Saipa and Zob) made in
the second half and you'll find that they did the same or better than Mes.
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now you are just insulting your own intelligence. we already covered this and you admitted that Mes did better than any other team in the second half of the season, only one point behind zobahan. Saipa and pegah did not do as good. They had 1 and 2 points less than mes. The bottom line is that Amir Ghalenoie is a hundred times better than branko. I hope safaie farahani pays for taking TM from General Amir.

[ghermez agha]

now you are just insulting your own intelligence. we already covered this and you admitted that Mes did better than any other team in the second half of the season, only one point behind zobahan. Saipa and pegah did not do as good. They had 1 and 2 points less than mes. The bottom line is that Amir Ghalenoie is a hundred times better than branko. I hope safaie farahani pays for taking TM from General Amir.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

if you dont mind me asking, what exactly are you on?

[SeZaAhan]

Ebrahimzadeh behtar az ghalenoei hasesh. 100%

[Ali Chicago]

Agha Sivaash;

GN records speaks for itself. There are people who don't like him, if he brings water from the moon, still will bad mouth him. GN ain't god or Peep Guardiola, but currently among the Vatani coaches he is probably among the top three (, GN,Ebrahimzadeh, Jalali) if not the number one.

Current successes of GN has somewhat silenced his critics but still there is a deep hatred toward him (justified or not) close to the hatred toward Haji Mayeli. I am not sure you were here during the AFC 2007 what many of these guys in orchestration with the media in Iran created such a negative environment that was unprecedented.

GN is improving and hopefully becomes even better. But many on PFDC will always find an excuse to deny his accomplishments. No matter how many stats and facts you represnets, those who don't like him, still come to a different conclusion.

My suggestion to you is won't carry on this conversation. If GN coaches Barca, some people still find a flaw in his team.

To GN critics, this post doesn't imply GN is flawless and doesn't play politics or is a saint by any means. But among current coaches in Iran he is the most successful one. Records speaks for itself. Any team he has been on , he has done great. TM his performance was average but that was a special circumstances (FIFA ban, internal fighting among the top football executives in IFF, demoralized team and fans from WC2006, etc.). However besides that, he has done great in any team that he coached.

[footballeirani]

Aghaye Ali Chicago

I am not sure if you are following ostad's posts but he is claiming that GN is 100 times better than Branko. To the best of my knowledge Branko is not a vatani coach.

Care to elaborate on that one?

[kaz]

Siavash, Neda may not be very smart (he isn't) but he isn't that dumb either. He is not going to accept cold hard facts if it gets in the way of his agenda.

[Neda]

Siavash, Neda may not be very smart (he isn't) but he isn't that dumb either. He is not going to accept cold hard facts if it gets in the way of his agenda.


the fact is that Mes was is no danger of relegation and Ghalenoi did not
perform miracle in 2008, Saipa and Zob were at same situation and did as well as Mes.
Pegah was in danger of relegation and they performed miracle by getting 27 points to stay in IPL.

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[Ali Chicago]

Aghaye Ali Chicago
I am not sure if you are following ostad's posts but he is claiming that GN is 100 times better than Branko. To the best of my knowledge Branko is not a vatani coach.
Care to elaborate on that one?

I was talking about GN's record in IPL. If you read my post again, you will see I said GN's record in the TM was average, whereas I believe besides WC2006 Branko's records in the TM was very good.

I don't want to get into Branko vs. GN. The way I see it current argument is about how well GN did in Mes and one can't deny he did well there. Even Neda can't deny it, he simply keep saying few other clubs did well too (which is true) but that doesn't mean GN didn't do well there.

The way I see it again, is the fact that some people hate GN (which they are entitled to) and no matter what he does, he doesn't get credit. I confess maybe I am biased toward him as well. With SiavashIran being a Zelous pro GN and Neda a known Anti GN, I was merely trying to end the back and forth since I don't see any convergence of opinion.

[kaz]

the fact is that Mes was is no danger of relegation and Ghalenoi did not
perform miracle in 2008, Saipa and Zob were at same situation and did as well as Mes.
Pegah was in danger of relegation and they performed miracle by getting 27 points to stay in IPL.
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Mes were 1 point from the relegation zone when GN took over. More relevantly, they had only taken 5 points from a possible 21 in the previous 7 games before GN arrived. That is being in danger of being relegated.

GN then took them to have the 2nd best record in the league and they finished above Esteghlal.

You need to stop posting because you are losing whatever credibility you have left (which isn't much).

[perspolisi]

the fact is that Mes was is no danger of relegation and Ghalenoi did not
perform miracle in 2008, Saipa and Zob were at same situation and did as well as Mes.
Pegah was in danger of relegation and they performed miracle by getting 27 points to stay in IPL.
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Mes also has Edihno and that guy is by far the most potent player in IPL... and if i remember correctly they had a whole bunch of good foreign players that season...

not to approve or disapprove anyone's argument here... just merely mentioning that a look at the quality of the squad could reveal some interesting facts as well..

[kaz]

Mes also has Edihno and that guy is by far the most potent player in IPL... and if i remember correctly they had a whole bunch of good foreign players that season...
not to approve or disapprove anyone's argument here... just merely mentioning that a look at the quality of the squad could reveal some interesting facts as well..

Wrong. The year Mes had a good side was the season after GN left where Mazloumi spent a boatload of money - Fatemi, Ashobi, Sadeghi, Rajabzadeh, etc. Edinho was there the previous season although I can't recall if he was there from the start. Regardless, he scored a grand total of 1 goal the season GN was there. Zaltron was the main star that year.

EDIT: yes Edinho arrived in January and played 9 games in GN's season, scoring 1 goal.

[Neda]

Mes were 1 point from the relegation zone when GN took over. More relevantly, they had only taken 5 points from a possible 21 in the previous 7 games before GN arrived. That is being in danger of being relegated.
GN then took them to have the 2nd best record in the league and they finished above Esteghlal.
You need to stop posting because you are losing whatever credibility you have left (which isn't much).


i know that i am losing credibility but that is bc of conversing with people
like u and siarian :rofl:

Mes was going down bc their coach, Farhad Kazemi, resigned due to having
problems with the management and stopped training the team. They lost 3
in a row after coach resigned. Now, this should normally NOT have anything
to do with Ghalenoi's performance but some people like you two use this crisis
to artificially make ghalenoi look like a hero, whereas, he performed like four
other coaches: Saipa, Zobahan, aboumuslim and finally Pegah probably even
with better players.

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[kaz]

I don't recall how many games Mes were without a coach (or even if they were) but even going by your story that means in Kazemi's last 4 games they took only 4 points which is sure-fire relegation form.

Give it up. Mes were getting relegated and, regardless, GN took them to having the 2nd best record in the league from the moment he was coach until the end of the season.

You lose credibility because you lie and pretend to not understand facts and figures. Like you have done again here. You were banned from ISP and should be banned here. But it's ok. Those who know, know. And those who don't find out eventually of your charlatan ways.

EDIT: actually, according to St_Mark's table Mohammadi was the interim coach when Kazemi left...so you're wrong there again. No surprise though.

[siavasharian]

^is he the same ala from ISP?
LOOOOL
he was just as illogical there

[kaz]

Ala, Nakhl and god knows how many other aliases.

[Neda]

... Mes were getting relegated and, regardless, GN took them to having the 2nd best record in the league from the moment he was coach until the end of the season...


The above statement is based on exaggerated view (read propaganda) for Ghalenoi.

Mes was not in danger of relegation and at least 4 teams did as good or better.
Zobahan with 29 points, Abumoslem and Pegah with 27 points
and Saipa with 26 points

This only puts Ghalenoi in the top 25%, together with Bijan Zolfagharnasab,
Mayeli Kohan, Akbar Misaghian and Nader Dastneshan who
was a hero that year for performing a miracle
(getting 27 points in 2nd after making 11 points in 1st)

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[kaz]

Nice try at completely making up facts. You've already been proven wrong. This is not a point of view or a subjective assessment to be exaggerated. These are cold hard facts:

Mes before GN: 1 point from relegation.
Mes after GN: 2nd best record in the IPL.

You may as well argue that 1+1=4. Thanks for playing.

[Amin_]

the fact is that Mes was is no danger of relegation and Ghalenoi did not
perform miracle in 2008, Saipa and Zob were at same situation and did as well as Mes.
Pegah was in danger of relegation and they performed miracle by getting 27 points to stay in IPL.
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Agha jaan, I don't know why you keep embarrasseing yourself?? It's not rocket science for God's sake. Any team that stands 15th-16th (so 15th "best" team out of 18) in the first half of the season and then becomes the 2nd best team in the 2nd half of the season (a shift of 13-14 spots), has done great compared to their 1st half season performance!

The fact that Zob Ahan or Pegah got so many points in the 2nd half of the season only means that they also did a great job in the 2nd half of the season (just like Mes), and NOT that Mes' accomplishments in the 2nd half of the season can be undermined, only because there was another team that got 1 point more.


It's like saying that Cristiano Ronaldo didn't have a good season (total of 53 goals and 16 assists in all competitions) because Messi had 8 more assists (also with 53 goals).
It only means that Messi did slightly better, and not that CR did a bad/average job.

[Ali Chicago]

Amin

Give it up bro, no matter how you explain it, Morgh yek pa dareh!!!!:D

Agha jaan, I don't know why you keep embarrasseing yourself?? It's not rocket science for God's sake. Any team that stands 15th-16th (so 15th "best" team out of 18) in the first half of the season and then becomes the 2nd best team in the 2nd half of the season (a shift of 13-14 spots), has done great compared to their 1st half season performance!
The fact that Zob Ahan or Pegah got so many points in the 2nd half of the season only means that they also did a great job in the 2nd half of the season (just like Mes), and NOT that Mes' accomplishments in the 2nd half of the season can be undermined, only because there was another team that got 1 point more.
It's like saying that Cristiano Ronaldo didn't have a good season (total of 53 goals and 16 assists in all competitions) because Messi had 8 more assists (also with 53 goals).
It only means that Messi did slightly better, and not that CR did a bad/average job.

[Neda]

... The fact that Zob Ahan or Pegah got so many points in the 2nd half of the season only means that they also did a great job in the 2nd half of the season (just like Mes), ....


this is also what I am saying.
ghalenoi shares whatever accomplishment there is, with 4 other coaches in IPL.

I think the second half performance is more important since I remember that
Bargh Shiraz which was topping the league in the first half, finally got relegated
in the second half and conversely, Pegah which was dead last with large margin
managed to escape relegation in the second half.
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[Neda]

Amin
Give it up bro, no matter how you explain it, Morgh yek pa dareh!!!!:D


This applies to you, even more than me!
At least I try to argue and bring new information
but you keep repeating your original statement over and over
without any logic as if we have to accept whatever you say bc of who u are

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[kaz]

You're right. Ali brings up tired old, accurate, facts; whilst you make them up out of thin air. Not sure you want to give yourself a pat on the back for that though.

[Nokhodi]

This has gotten so off-topic, but is GN crazy to want to leave Sepahan?
He can make a name for himself and solidify his standing in Iran and Asia if he takes Sepahan to the ACL championship. He won't have motivation for the job in any other club, unless he goes back to TM.

[Neda]

Ghalenoi says the salary cap is similar to the communists law and this is why he is leaving Sepahan!

http://isna.ir/ISNA/NewsView.aspx?ID=News-1784225&Lang=P

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[Neda]

Ghalenoi says the salary cap is like the communist law and this is why he is leaving Sepahan!

http://isna.ir/ISNA/NewsView.aspx?ID=News-1784225&Lang=P


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[Ali Chicago]

This has gotten so off-topic, but is GN crazy to want to leave Sepahan?
He can make a name for himself and solidify his standing in Iran and Asia if he takes Sepahan to the ACL championship. He won't have motivation for the job in any other club, unless he goes back to TM.


It seems there will be money restrIictions in sepahan and top players leaving. I think GN sees the unraveling of Sepahan and he doesn't want to stay with a team that was number one and probably won't be able to repeat it.

With any other team, GN can potentially improve with Sepahan without its top players he has no where to go but down it seems.

[Ali Chicago]

Ghalenoi says the salary cap is similar to the communists law and this is why he is leaving Sepahan!

http://isna.ir/ISNA/NewsView.aspx?ID=News-1784225&Lang=P

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GN is wrong IMHO. There needs to be a Salray Cap. If all the teams were forced to follow the law then no team can pay a player more than salary cap and then players either have to sit out a season or sign for lower amounts.

See Agha Ala, I can be supportive of him at times and at other times disagree with him.

[TM-Fan]

GN is wrong IMHO. There needs to be a Salray Cap. If all the teams were forced to follow the law then no team can pay a player more than salary cap and then players either have to sit out a season or sign for lower amounts.
See Agha Ala, I can be supportive of him at times and at other times disagree with him.

This time he is completely right and you are criticizing him!! And interesting that you try to show off your very rare criticism of him (probably the only one) after many many posts of unconditional support for him in the very same post! At least you could wait for a day and then referred to this post of yours!

See, salary cap is the most redicoulus thing in the world and that is why it is implemented no where in the world except in the failed communist countries!

There are lots of other ways to implement this thing, but the important thing is that it should be implemented in a way that an exceptional player earn higher than a good player, and good player earn higher than a medium player. For example they could apply a very high tax for football players. This way, since the spending budget of the clubs is limited, the players earn less money, but the better players earn higher than others.

[Ali Chicago]

This time he is completely right and you are criticizing him!! And interesting that you try to show off your very rare criticism of him (probably the only one) after many many posts of unconditional support for him in the very same post! At least you could wait for a day and then referred to this post of yours!
See, salary cap is the most redicoulus thing in the world and that is why it is implemented no where in the world except in the failed communist countries!
There are lots of other ways to implement this thing, but the important thing is that it should be implemented in a way that an exceptional player earn higher than a good player, and good player earn higher than a medium player. For example they could apply a very high tax for football players. This way, since the spending budget of the clubs is limited, the players earn less money, but the better players earn higher than others.


lol@ show off. Next time I ask you what is the right or wrong attitude before I post. :D

Funny part is that you seem not to even know what a Salary Cap is. I bolded and underlined portions of your post that clrealy indicates you mistook salary cap with somethign else. Salary Cap means no player can get higher than certian amount, Salary Cap never means all players need to get paid the same amount. A club still pays differently to its players based on thier abilities but no one can get paid over the salary cap. I even can live with an exception clause with say two players who can leagally go over Salary cap (but it needs to be transparent and legal). In real world dakhl va kharj bayad ba ham bekhooneh. I thought you being a fan of an Isfahni team be more familir with economics (I am kidding baba delkhor nashi).
I am so glad that AFC is checking the Iranian clubs financial statements (despite we all know it is a mostly fake). This is the first step. In the long run hopefully our clubs will be run in a economically sane way.

[TM-Fan]

^ Ali jan, when 5-6 clubs in Iran have ~10 billion of budget to spend per year, and they need a squad of around 12-15 good players, and 5-7 reserves, then most of the good players will get 350mil per year in the salary cap is implemented. Just think about it. If you claim that you are so good in economics that you can even teach others then figuring this thing out shouldn't be hard. Even the players with current salaries of 200-300 mil, will get 350 mil in that situation. It is simple Arze va Taghazaa concept. The rich clubs will have extra budget in that case because they save money with paying less to the exceptional players, and so the competition will be diverted to the good and medium players instead of the current competition on exceptional players.

[Ali Chicago]

At least in theory this shouldn't work the way you explained it (inflate the average player's salaries), because now top players can' t be paid more than 350 million.

I dont' live in Iran and maybe things are different there. But in all professional sports top money goes to superstars and no name guys get really lower level salaries ( a majority of players). With Salary Cap whatever money saved can be invested in the infrastructure or left as collatarel to get loans by the club rather than pay less talented or average players more.

Even now (no salary cap) many of these salaries are purely on paper and players don't really get them. Zarincheh still is owed by Esteghlal from like 6 years ago. PP owes Nasser Ebrahimi still and it was more than 4-5 years ago last time he was PP's coach. I won't list how many times PP was dragged to FIFA by its foreign players. Abedzadeh yesterday claimed he hasn't been paid (like 1.5 year ago). Clubs simply don't have the money to pay or artifically fine players to artificially reduce their debt.

I don't know where that 10 billion came from but let's take that number. These are clubs not teams. Based on the AFC rules each club must have youth program from U16 to Senior. So some of the money that is being saved due to Salary Cap should go toward these programs. Also when economics are established then an investor dares to come and invest in our football (likes of Shafiie brothers) but not just because of their hearts, but due to heart and economics.



^ Ali jan, when 5-6 clubs in Iran have ~10 billion of budget to spend per year, and they need a squad of around 12-15 good players, and 5-7 reserves, then most of the good players will get 350mil per year in the salary cap is implemented. Just think about it. If you claim that you are so good in economics that you can even teach others then figuring this thing out shouldn't be hard. Even the players with current salaries of 200-300 mil, will get 350 mil in that situation. It is simple Arze va Taghazaa concept. The rich clubs will have extra budget in that case because they save money with paying less to the exceptional players, and so the competition will be diverted to the good and medium players instead of the current competition on exceptional players.

[SeZaAhan]

I don't get 1 thing if salary cap is for every one , then sepahan is the richest surely sepahan can afford all of their players? Why is all the players that love sepahan like aghili , bengar , khosrow heydari .... leaving to other teams that are crap compared to sepahan?

[St_Mark]

Now Sepahan requesting exemption from Salary cap for only Esfahani teams:)
He is officially asking for discrimination
He want to obey the law but he is asking law just exempt him !

ارمــغــان تــاریـــکی



رئيس هيات مديره باشگاه سپاهان در مورد اظهارات امير قلعه نويي در برنامه تلويزيوني ورزش و مردم و گفتن اين جمله كه با سقف قرارداد تيشه به ريشه سپاهان مي زنند، گفت: تمام تلاش ما اين است كه تيم قدرتمندي را داشته باشيم. در مورد سقف قرارداد
هم نمي خواهيم از قوانين تخطي كنيم اما براي فدراسيون فوتبال هم پيشنهادي داريم و اينكه دو باشگاه ذوب آهن و سپاهان چون به مرحله بعدي ليگ قهرمانان آسيا راه پيدا كرده اند بايد در جذب بازيكن فرقي با ساير تيم ها داشته باشند.

[Ali Chicago]

I don't get 1 thing if salary cap is for every one , then sepahan is the richest surely sepahan can afford all of their players? Why is all the players that love sepahan like aghili , bengar , khosrow heydari .... leaving to other teams that are crap compared to sepahan?

No one knows for sure the exact contract figure of players except Sepahan club staff. But probably because Sepahan paid them way more than salary cap before. Now that incentive isn't there and top players dont' want to stay. The single fact of not living in Tehran for many players is an issue. Plus in signing a contract a player probably looks at club stability, head coach, players leaving or joining (whether he gets playing time) etc. etc.

[kia]

Now Sepahan requesting exemption from Salary cap for only Esfahani teams:)
He is officially asking for discrimination
He want to obey the law but he is asking law just exempt him !

ارمــغــان تــاریـــکی


Since those 2 teams were the only ones that had the capacity to get to the quarter finals then they should be exempt especially since both teams have been to the ACL final in recent years. I personally think this spending cap is bullcrap to begin with.

[St_Mark]

Since those 2 teams were the only ones that had the capacity to get to the quarter finals then they should be exempt especially since both teams have been to the ACL final in recent years. I personally think this spending cap is bullcrap to begin with.

Discrimination and Exempts like that create unfair, unjust advantages for few teams over others in IPL . Rules should equally apply to every IPL members

[Siavash]

IS GN out or still in sepahan?

[St_Mark]

IS GN out or still in sepahan?

All indications point to Exit direction.
This is biggest loss for Sepahan this season.

Most Sepahan players are not Esfahani and local , may be best is just like Zobahan & Foulad they focus on their local talents if they insist on SC.