Who and what did we discover in Oman?

[webmaster]

Friendlies are to learn about our younger players and the strength and weaknesses of our team. What have we discovered after these 4 recent games Iran-Qatar, Iran-UAE, Iran-Ecuador and Iran china?

which players have shown a good performance and consistency?

any game plans that has changed from before?

any change in the flow of the playing meaning increased or diminished accuracy, stamina, speed?

any players that proved to be useful for future?

what do you guys think?

[tashakor]

I think Ashjari, Jamishidian...and Mohammad Nouri have shown they have potential. I hope Ali Daei reviews the tapes and makes drastic changes on some of TM's negative habits. Those red cards were unacceptable, and childish...

But overall it was an easy 50 Grand :D

[The]

I learnt that Salehi needs to be starting every match for Iran.

I also found out that daei still has no gameplan.

and I now know for sure that Rezaie is possibly one of the most overrated player in Iran next to Kaebi.

[Payam_S]

Who we found:

I'd say Ashjari, Karimian and Hajsafi.
Ashjari showed if not a LB starter but a tough challenger for that position, it was his debut for TM.

Hajsafi while everyone knew him already but proved himself as a reliable starter (IMO) for LM.

Karimian showed if not a starter but 100% a part of 23 players of TM.

What we found:

We need to make some plans and strategy for our DF and attacking.
We lack a leader in the heart of defense and MF.

We found that we should really be careful of refs, we have to and again have to avoid any childish action during the game.
Our players and especially Defenders have to watch for their tackles to avoid any big loss to TM.

We found that we still havent found our 6 dong FW who can score for us , someone who doesnt miss opportunities left and right.

And at the end we found that we have a long way to be a good team.

[maij]

Despite my own wish that these friendly matches would have yielded some solutions, in reality no serious resolution was found to make a major impact on Team Melli.

Fundamentally, the same problems keep repeating itself. Despite the rotation of players in order to show their ability, none of the newcomers have shown anything beyond or above the players that have already been tried and tested. The positive factor is for Daei to keep the competition alive for places in the starting lineup. Some of the old guard need to feel the heat of competition and need to shape up else loses their starting lineup.

Three major areas have not seen much improvement and they are as follows:

1- Finishing : Still a huge problem despite improvement in the style of play and offensive minded strategy. Poor finishing will cost the team very dearly. Borhani , Rezaei , Seyed Salehi amongst others have really not shown that they are clinical finishers. Far too many easily scoring opportunities are missed.

2- Defensive vulnerability: Again this is an area of much concern in the team, despite several personnel changes. As individuals, they seem to be accomplished and good defenders but as a defensive unit, they are vulnerable and commit too many errors that can be easily punished by our strongest opponents.

3- Discipline: In a friendly match when 3 out of the 4 defenders get a yellow card in the first half, that speaks volume about the lack discipline in the team. It is this lack of discipline that will turn a good performance into a disaster. I am a bit surprised that Daei , a well know Disciplinarian who has been a model of professionalism in his career , allows such indiscretion in the team. Discipline also includes the adherence of players to game plan and positional awareness on the pitch.
Saying that , every friendly match is valuable for Team Melli , regardless to the opposition.

[1908]

team melli has no game plan

[Parham10]

we didnt learn anything, the strikers(borhani and salehi) didnt get enough playing time to really test them in TM.

and the rest of the players are all going to be replaced by other players anyway

[Dejagah24]

Hajsafi is the playmaker we need!!!

[Martin-Reza]

I think Ashjari, Jamishidian...and Mohammad Nouri have shown they have potential. I hope Ali Daei reviews the tapes and makes drastic changes on some of TM's negative habits. Those red cards were unacceptable, and childish...

But overall it was an easy 50 Grand :D

I agree, although I personally must say I came to the conclusion Jamshidian is not TM material. Ashjari is an option for LB where we desperately need alternatives to Zare, Mohammad Nouri is a reliable OM/CM for the bench. I think Salehi defended his TM position against Borhani, and Ghorbani strenghtened his position as 4th TM centerback.

Hajsafi to me proved he is not ready for TM starting lineup yet. Shojaei and Madanchi are still to be prefered as leftwingers.

[Karimi 8]

Borhani still isn't TM qaulity and i doubt ever will be

[Kiafan06]

Even if we didn't learn anything tactically, we found new players.
This is a change from before, where, even in friendlies, coaches didn't try out new players. Daei has infused the team with some new names that can add to the team, if not now, at least in a year or two which is very valuable.

[Persianking]

Jamshidian,Hajsafi and Pejman nouri need to be in Team mell.

Also Borhani even if he didnt scored.He needs more time man like he had in Esteghlal.Look what he was and now what he is :bow:

Rezaei is just amazing:bow:He will be our best player one day :bow:

[shayan_esteghlali]

we learnt that daie should invite amir-abadi, heydari and akbarpour for tha asian cup qualifiers, and we learnt that borhani > rezaie

[Masoud_A]

Ashjari should start as LB while Hajsafy on LM, Borhani is no TM material, Seyyed Salehi should be starting alongside Rezaei like past games, and we need a playmaker like Jabbari.

[Martin-Reza]

we learnt that daie should invite amir-abadi, heydari and akbarpour for tha asian cup qualifiers, and we learnt that borhani > rezaie

lol, good one

[Agha Kasra]

we discovered that all these kinds of crappy tournaments are useless. We also saw that Rezaei is just a overrated hype and we need a playmaker --> Jabbari :bow:

[tashakor]

What do you guys think of Seyed Salehi as Attacking Midfielder instead of Striker??

I think it suits him more....he can create some deadly plays!!

[Payam_S]

^ well, maybe but not as long as we have good ones like Jabbari and Shojaie.
I'd like to see Daie use Shojaie even once as an AM.

[Agha Kasra]

Salehi is too slow and we need a mastermind for the midfield, not some tall clumsy striker

[tashakor]

^ well, maybe but not as long as we have good ones like Jabbari and Shojaie.
I'd like to see Daie use Shojaie even once as an AM.

How bout 2 Attacking midfielders and 1 striker.

Imagine this:
-----------------Rahmati-----------------
------Kaebi----Hosseini----Aghili-----Ashjari
----Mahdavikia-----Nekounam-----Shojaie
-----------Salehi-----Jabbari----------
---------------GR Rezaei-------------

Having a 4-3-2-1 Lineup will fill all the gaps in the middle....and having the players play so close to each other will have a great impact on how they pass....no more long balls!!


Looks deadly :D Someone contact Human.....

[Siavash]

From your posts it seems we learn nothing solid from this tournement. Again too much bias from pp or SS fans. I did not see any of teh games. I was hopping Ashjari will come out as a solid left back for TM from this tournement.

[Payam_S]

^ then again i prefer this:

MF:
......Kia......Nekou.............Madanchi
...........Shojaie...............Jabbari
................Rezaie.............

But i bet we're not gonna score even for 180 mins.
Rezaie shoudlnt be the target man but seems we have no other option as finding a target man in our football is really impossible nowadays.
Maybe Rezaie and Borhani if we use Rezaie behind Borhani will do but again Borhani is not consistence.
Anyway no Seyed Salehi ,he's not TM material and i agree with those who said he's overrated.

[tashakor]

^ then again i prefer this:

MF:
......Kia......Nekou.............Madanchi
...........Shojaie...............Jabbari
................Rezaie.............

But i bet we're not gonna score even for 180 mins.
Rezaie shoudlnt be the target man but seems we have no other option as finding a target man in our football is really impossible nowadays.
Maybe Rezaie and Borhani if we use Rezaie behind Borhani will do but again Borhani is not consistence.
Anyway no Seyed Salehi ,he's not TM material and i agree with those who said he's overrated.

If things don't work out with GR Rezaei, I wouldn't mind switching his position with Madanchi....Remember the beautiful runs he made on the left, against Ecuador?. He almost always beat his opponents....and it seems like he can cross in the ball with his left foot also. Madanchi as striker may workout man, you never know :whatta:

-----Kia-----Nekounam-----Rezaei
----------Shojaei----Jabbari-------
--------------Madanchi-------------

[shayan_esteghlali]

Tm new line-up should be this:
----------------rahmati----------------
heydari--hosseini--ghorbani--nouri
--------------nekounam---------------
shojaie------------------------haj-safi
-------------jabbari/zandi------------
----------rezaie----borhani-----------

Goalie: no need to explain, rahmati is just amazing!
RB: Heydari is way better than kaebi right now, he has speed and good crosses.
CB: Hosseini is solid, and Ghorbani has been amazing in esteghlal, he is solid in defence and manages to score goals.
LB: Nouri is simply amazing, im a hardcore esteghlal fan but i have to say that Nouri is one of the best iranian players ATM, he proved himself in the china game.
DM:no need to explain nekounam, he has scored 5 games for osasuna this season.
RM:Shojaie should be a starter 100%, since he has that touch and dribbling we need, we should sub. in mahdavikia later in the games.
LM: haj-safi is young and talented and imo he is the only good LM in iran.
AM:jabbari should start 100%, but till he recovers we should start with zandi and maybe sub in a player like nouri later on in that game.
FW: rezaie and borhani are iran best forwards ATM

[Siavash]

^ then again i prefer this:

MF:
......Kia......Nekou.............Madanchi
...........Shojaie...............Jabbari
................Rezaie.............

But i bet we're not gonna score even for 180 mins.
Rezaie shoudlnt be the target man but seems we have no other option as finding a target man in our football is really impossible nowadays.
Maybe Rezaie and Borhani if we use Rezaie behind Borhani will do but again Borhani is not consistence.
Anyway no Seyed Salehi ,he's not TM material and i agree with those who said he's overrated.

If things don't work out with GR Rezaei, I wouldn't mind switching his position with Madanchi....Remember the beautiful runs he made on the left, against Ecuador?. He almost always beat his opponents....and it seems like he can cross in the ball with his left foot also. Madanchi as striker may workout man, you never know :whatta:

-----Kia-----Nekounam-----Rezaei
----------Shojaei----Jabbari-------
--------------Madanchi-------------

Your line up will put too much pressure on Neko. So, I like to suggest the following starting line up; 4-4-2


-----Kia----Jabbari---------Nekounam---------Madanchi-------

--------------Rezaei------------------Shojaei-----------------

[shayan_esteghlali]

how bout using nekounam as a striker agaiinst korea!!
he is very good in the air and with crosses from zandi, shojaie and mahdavikia we can score goals

[gandalf]

Well firstly i wana say im new to this great site and wana say its awsome!

Secondly watching the games live i think we discovered Shojaei shouldn't be relied uopn too much. He missed too many chances (the penlaty he got was good though).

We learnt that Borhani is not Ready yet.
We know that seyed Salehi is helpful as some of you guys said.
I also thought Bengar was kinda effective.

[tashakor]

Well firstly i wana say im new to this great site and wana say its awsome!
Secondly watching the games live i think we discovered Shojaei shouldn't be relied uopn too much. He missed too many chances (the penlaty he got was good though).
We learnt that Borhani is not Ready yet.
We know that seyed Salehi is helpful as some of you guys said.
I also thought Bengar was kinda effective.

Welcome to PFDC,

The player you mentioned was not Shojaei....Shojaei was in Spain with his club team, Osasuna. I believe you are referring to Gholamreza Rezaei who got the penalty.

[gandalf]

haha im so sorry. What a bad start. I actually meant Rezaei (got mixed up with all the players with ei). My point is he missed too many goals. and offcourse shoajei was in osasuna hahaha, sorry my bad.

[Siavash]

how bout using nekounam as a striker agaiinst korea!!
he is very good in the air and with crosses from zandi, shojaie and mahdavikia we can score goals

In many occasions i thought about your Idea too. So, If Ando is ready to go I suggest the following then;


-----Kia----Shojaei-------Ando--------Madanchi/Jabbari----

--------------------Nekounam-----------------------

----------------------Rezaei--------------------------

[EKBATAN]

i dont think our players learn anything...


its been 3+ years and we still cant put up a simple play together...can't connect more than 4 passes and certainly cant finish

[Kavian]

One loud and clear message:

"Goodbye to past legends .... hello to stars of future"

The likes are Kia, Bagheri, Hashemian ... No longer needed. Focus should be on new emerging players.

And .. we need to find a coach with some game plan and tactics. Haj Ali is lacking big time in that category!! :-) sorry Daie supporters!

[maij]

One loud and clear message:

"Goodbye to past legends .... hello to stars of future"

The likes are Kia, Bagheri, Hashemian ... No longer needed. Focus should be on new emerging players.

And .. we need to find a coach with some game plan and tactics. Haj Ali is lacking big time in that category!! :-) sorry Daie supporters!


How Ironic Kavian Jan...

In one line you are agreeing with the coach who is planning for the future by his wise selection of younger energy , and the next line immediately accuse the same coach that he has no game plan !

You don't need to apologize to Daei supporters , you need to get your thoughts right , Azizm..


Just a final point , where you in the training session with the players to know that Daei had no game plan ? What makes you think that there was no game plan and how about the possibilities that there was in fact a game plan ( or two) but the players did not follow it?? I don't know about you , but I thought the first half that TM played against Ecuador was one of the best I have seen for many years.........

[beevee]

How Ironic Kavian Jan...
In one line you are agreeing with the coach who is planning for the future by his wise selection of younger energy , and the next line immediately accuse the same coach that he has no game plan !
You don't need to apologize to Daei supporters , you need to get your thoughts right , Azizm..
Just a final point , where you in the training session with the players to know that Daei had no game plan ? What makes you think that there was no game plan and how about the possibilities that there was in fact a game plan ( or two) but the players did not follow it?? I don't know about you , but I thought the first half that TM played against Ecuador was one of the best I have seen for many years.........Agreed

[Kavian]

How Ironic Kavian Jan...

In one line you are agreeing with the coach who is planning for the future by his wise selection of younger energy , and the next line immediately accuse the same coach that he has no game plan !

You don't need to apologize to Daei supporters , you need to get your thoughts right , Azizm..


Just a final point , where you in the training session with the players to know that Daei had no game plan ? What makes you think that there was no game plan and how about the possibilities that there was in fact a game plan ( or two) but the players did not follow it?? I don't know about you , but I thought the first half that TM played against Ecuador was one of the best I have seen for many years.........

Doust e aziz, what I said is just my opinion ... if you have a different one, just express it. No need to negate mine! That is just such a bad Irani habiit that we have ... . waiting for someone to say something and then attack to prove the person wrong.

I don't need to be at Daie's training session to know he does not have a game plan. The proof is in the pudding. What we saw had no game plan. And game plan is usually designed according to the ability of the players not the other way around. If Daie designs a game plan based on some other players, then he is really something!!!

Anyway, I am sure you are not taking anything personal here. But please let everyone express themselves the way they want. That is just a healty way of discussing things.

Regards,
k.

[Puji]

How Ironic Kavian Jan...

In one line you are agreeing with the coach who is planning for the future by his wise selection of younger energy , and the next line immediately accuse the same coach that he has no game plan !

You don't need to apologize to Daei supporters , you need to get your thoughts right , Azizm..


Just a final point , where you in the training session with the players to know that Daei had no game plan ? What makes you think that there was no game plan and how about the possibilities that there was in fact a game plan ( or two) but the players did not follow it?? I don't know about you , but I thought the first half that TM played against Ecuador was one of the best I have seen for many years.........

:bow: :bow: :bow:

also, i think that gr rezaei should play as a rm. he has a lot of energy and runs around a lot, which makes him better suited in the midfield. u need a stubborn player in the striker position that sits around for the perfect ball

[MoJo23]

How Ironic Kavian Jan...

In one line you are agreeing with the coach who is planning for the future by his wise selection of younger energy , and the next line immediately accuse the same coach that he has no game plan !

You don't need to apologize to Daei supporters , you need to get your thoughts right , Azizm..


Just a final point , where you in the training session with the players to know that Daei had no game plan ? What makes you think that there was no game plan and how about the possibilities that there was in fact a game plan ( or two) but the players did not follow it?? I don't know about you , but I thought the first half that TM played against Ecuador was one of the best I have seen for many years.........

It's quite sad Majid khan.

No matter what the situation, some members around here feel the need to bash Daei even though he is one of our very TM few coaches who is actually 'focusing on new emerging players'

[maij]

Doust e aziz, what I said is just my opinion ... if you have a different one, just express it. No need to negate mine! That is just such a bad Irani habiit that we have ... . waiting for someone to say something and then attack to prove the person wrong.

I don't need to be at Daie's training session to know he does not have a game plan. The proof is in the pudding. What we saw had no game plan. And game plan is usually designed according to the ability of the players not the other way around. If Daie designs a game plan based on some other players, then he is really something!!!

Anyway, I am sure you are not taking anything personal here. But please let everyone express themselves the way they want. That is just a healty way of discussing things.

Regards,
k.


It is nothing personal , it is about credibility and authentic statements.

OK , so, you have this power of assumption that you don't need to be in a training session and yet have the ability to judge what the coach has said or what game plan he has put or did not ...... I don't buy that in a million year , but since you put it the context of an opinion of yours , then allow others to express their own opinion as well.....isn't that fair and healthy discussion ???


It is not about Daei per se , it is about all the coaches and the players that try their utmost best to excel and make fans happy. There is far too much bashing and little appreciation for what these people do. There is a huge difference between constructive criticism and down right accusations. Yours was the latter.

These people try very hard , sometimes they succeed sometimes they don't. Life is like that, it is just not perfect.

[maij]

It's quite sad Majid khan.

No matter what the situation, some members around here feel the need to bash Daei even though he is one of our very TM few coaches who is actually 'focusing on new emerging players'

I don't recall any coach of Team Melli who has tried and gave chances to so many players. I think that this is extremely healthy sign for many reasons the most important of which is the fact that all fixed players will feel the heat and realize that if they don't perform well , there is someone else who will take his place.

Like you said "very TM few coaches have actually focused on new emerging players and giving them the chance " , which will encourage may others who never thought they are in with a chance because they are NOT playing for PP or SS to shine and prove themselves.

[Kavian]

It is nothing personal , it is about credibility and authentic statements.

OK , so, you have this power of assumption that you don't need to be in a training session and yet have the ability to judge what the coach has said or what game plan he has put or did not ...... I don't buy that in a million year , but since you put it the context of an opinion of yours , then allow others to express their own opinion as well.....isn't that fair and healthy discussion ???


It is not about Daei per se , it is about all the coaches and the players that try their utmost best to excel and make fans happy. There is far too much bashing and little appreciation for what these people do. There is a huge difference between constructive criticism and down right accusations. Yours was the latter.

These people try very hard , sometimes they succeed sometimes they don't. Life is like that, it is just not perfect.


Some big words!!

credibility, authentic statements, power of assumption, ability to judge, too much bashing and little appreciation, constructive criticism and down right accusations, Life is like that, it is just not perfect ....


Baba damet garm! ye barki ma ro bezar jeloyee jokhee edaam!!???

Take it easy my friend, all i said was I think "Daie doesn't have a game plan"!! -- you think he does, fine!! feel free to write an article on his many plans/tactics. Enlight us!! don't negate!!

Happy Holidays to you and yours,
k.

[Mansoor]

We basically discovered that there are replacements for older generation which Daei had gradually brought back to TM after a relatively good and promising start with youngsters (perhaps due to public pressure).

Of course one of them is needed for leadership and experience but the rest should be either benched if they have the culture or respectfully leave the team. Having them all playing at the same time equals disaster ...

[TrueBlue]

Well Kavian jan, to say that Daei has no game plan, is it bit harsh. Surely every single coach has one, now wether it works or not, given the set of players that he has at his disposal, is another question.

I think that Daei has indeed a game plan, we might not be able to see it work perfectly on the pitch because of two reasons:

1- As you said, he might not be picking the right players for the right positions in his gameplan or:

2- The players are not, simply, well coordinated with each other. He has introduced, in the past few months, so many new and young players to TM rosrter that it has made it difficult for TM to come to harmony. Now positive aspect is that we see many young talented players get the chance to show themselves but the downside is that we have played with many different set of players in our recent games... players need time to get to know each other and by constantly changing TM's roster Daei is paying the price.

Now it seems that our problem is a mixture of both, with the exception of Ecuador's first half our players dont seem to be "clicking" on the field as they are supposed to. Daei needs to fininalize his roster for the remaining games sooner if he wants to get results in the upcoming games. Testing new players is fine, but we have to know the backbone of TM by now... do we? I dont think so.

One other positive note, Rotemoeller is joining TM very soon, so I hope Daie can learn a thing or two from the old veteran! I am sure he will be a great asset for TM :)