Eight months with Daei

[ShirFarhad]

Its now about eight months ago when Daei was appointed as Team Melli's coach. I thought it would be nice to gather some statistics.

Matches Played: 15
Won: 11
Drew: 3
Lost: 1 (his first match as a coach, against Bahrain)

Goals scored: 28
Goals conceeded: 9

However the most interesting part is the amount of players that have been getting playing time in only eight months time!

Goalkeepers:
Mehdi Rahmati
Vahid Talebloo
Ebrahim Mirzapour
Rahman Ahmadi

Defenders:
Hossein Kaebi
Hashem Beikzadeh
Seyed Jalal Hosseini
Mohsen Bengar
Majid Gholamnejad
Sattar Zare
Hadi Aghili
Mojtaba Shiri
Ali Hamoudi
Ahmad Alenemeh
Pirouz Ghorbani
Hossein Ashjari
Pejman Montazeri
Pejman Nouri

Midfielders:
Alireza Vahedi Nikbakht
Masoud Shojaei
Ebrahim Sadeghi
Andranik Teymourian
Ali Karimi
Mehrzad Madanchi
Mojataba Jabbari
Javad Nekounam
Ehsan Hajsafi
Fereydoon Zandi
Milad Zeynedpour
Mohammad Nouri
Kianoush Rahmati
Hossein Kazemi
Maziar Zare
Karim Bagheri
Meysam Baoo
Ahmad Jamshidian

Forwards:
Mohsen Khalili
Milad Meydavoudi
Alireza Abbasfard
Gholamreza Rezaei
Gholamreza Enayati
Mohammadreza Khalatbari
Amir Shapourzadeh
Mohammad Parvin
Hossein Ebrahimi
Jalal Rafkhaei
Rasoul Khatibi
Vahid Hashemian
Mohammad Seyed Salehi
Arash Borhani
Reza Khaleghifar

In only nine months already 50 players have worn the Team Melli jersey to prove their worth.

:iranflag:

-- List updated on december 24

[Ali.Karimi79]

hmmm i wonder if a some other coach had theses stats, how he would get rated.
74 % wins.... ;)

[shayan20]

That's some awesome stats we had with Daei.
We're just getting better and better...

[DubFreeek]

if someone provide a list of teams who we played against will be appreciated

[avicenna 18]

cheshm nakhoreh....he's done an impressive job with TM so far and this has not been an easy journey IMO.

Great job by King Daei....he's instilled a winning mentality into Iranian players and I think his reputation has been quite helpful to make that happen.

Hope he continues this trend with TM till we reach WC2010

[shayan20]

List of matches:
http://teammelli.com/AllMatches.htm#2008

[maij]

Aprat fom the good results that Daei has far achieved , I think we should not forget a couple of issue that has been a hallmark of his leadership.

Discipline
The spirtit of competetion.

As a professional with many professional clubs and specially the stern Germans , Daei has learned and applies discipline quite well. This has refelected positively on the team.

The sheer number of players that Daei has used in his reign , sends a message to all Iranian players that the oppertunity is there for everyone who excels and Team Melli is not the closed shop that execlusively belonged to a couple of clubs decorated by a few other players for good measure.

[G0happy]

Atleast a legend in Iranian football has not ruined his reputation in coaching. He has in fact re-gained the reputation which he lost at the end of the WC 2006. Well done! to him
** Kazemian has also played under Daei **

[Farhad-7]

not bad at all! daei shireh!

[Rumi]

Mobali was invited but did he play?

[Farhad-7]

Mobali was invited but did he play?
yeah he was but only 45 of them got to play except him..

[kaz]

Looks like you're counting the WAFF? I wouldn't. It dilutes his record into the misleading.

Daei has thus far a pass grade IMO. Thankfully, he has a trend of improving. Not only as a coach but as a person. Unfortunately, his and his bench's tactical nous is lacking. We may qualify - as we really should, in any case - but this team, right now, doesn't look like a team that will trouble quality sides. This team thus far hasn't showed it's ability to really play at a high level; merely at "good enough". I hope we get our CBs sorted and Zare kicked out. These are glaring weaknesses and will be taken advantage of in a higher competition. The other positions are more or less sorted and should probably be picked with importance placed on form.

From now on out, there should be little tinkering and playing players for the sake of eye-wash is not going to help us. I hope we see some enterprising football and I hope it isn't the same story we had 4 years ago where we were scraping by without really excelling.

[Rumi]

Daei will better this side...we are not as good as the Branko team YET...but thats because Branko had Karimi who wanted to prove himself...we all said TM was a one man team and without Karimi it would be a very average squad....but Daei has done something great with TM.

[Kayhan213]

Inshallah, TM will show the world how strong our country is and put Iran on the map!

[Payam_S]

hmmm i wonder if a some other coach had theses stats, how he would get rated.
74 % wins.... ;)


Branco has the best stats so far in TM.
4 years, 50 gmaes:
Win: 32
Draw: 9
Losses:9 ( which 2 were in WC and one was against Germany as i remember)

and His wins percentage would be 64%.

[toopOtoor]

Looks like you're counting the WAFF? I wouldn't. It dilutes his record into the misleading.

Daei has thus far a pass grade IMO. Thankfully, he has a trend of improving. Not only as a coach but as a person. Unfortunately, his and his bench's tactical nous is lacking. We may qualify - as we really should, in any case - but this team, right now, doesn't look like a team that will trouble quality sides. This team thus far hasn't showed it's ability to really play at a high level; merely at "good enough". I hope we get our CBs sorted and Zare kicked out. These are glaring weaknesses and will be taken advantage of in a higher competition. The other positions are more or less sorted and should probably be picked with importance placed on form.

From now on out, there should be little tinkering and playing players for the sake of eye-wash is not going to help us. I hope we see some enterprising football and I hope it isn't the same story we had 4 years ago where we were scraping by without really excelling.

Second that.

Please do take into consideration that change feeds upon itself. Despite all the usual shortcomings in Iran, Daei has posed serious challenges to the Iranian football community. In my opinion, he is the best that our football in general and TM in particular could experience at this juncture. So, fingers crossed. We are on the right track. Slowly but surely.

[Doctor DOOM]

I think daei, "numerically" is on the right path.
hopefully we'll qualify directly so daei can get on with the next phase of TM's preparation for the WC.


so far, the only top quality team daei has met with is ksa.
the rest have been B and C and D grade asian teams.

In the next phase he shd demand high quality opposition and not run away from them, like what branko did.
branko's mistake was he put his own good over that of TM's, which means all he wanted was improvement in the "numbers & stats" and not the "quality" of the team.
that's why he ran away from any real tests and accepted only pisspoor friendlies like panama, azerbaijan, lybia, .... A'reh, ooreh & shamsi-kooreh !

Daei after qualification shd mold the team into a fearless team that is USED TO meeting big names and big teams. no matter if we lose 3-0 or 4-0 in those games. those "numbers" are not important. what's important is the team is TRULY TESTED by WC quality teams.
only then we'd know where we stand in relation to the WC standards.
coz we dont want a repeat of our pathetic WC06 again.

[Payam_S]

Doctor jan I disagree with you about Branco.
I'm sure you're aware of our IFF policy and ....they dont get every friendly game that the coach request, it can be IR political situation or IFF khasis bazi or anything else.
Plus dont forget we had some good friendly with Germany, Croatia, Belarus, Ukrain and ...
After all I believe TM was playing very nice football ( except WC06) during Branco time.
I was really really enjoying the way TM played, so many short pass, very well plans beside good result that he brought for us ( Asian Game, WCQ, AC 3rd place).

[Doctor DOOM]

no payam jan, the only quality test game we had after qualification was the one against croatia.

hell, even our own official game against south korea was postponed from march ( or feb ) 2006. south korea would have tested us far far better than a dozen of those branko agreed with.

there were news of some european teams offering a test game but in their ground .... which was duly refused.
coz branko wanted to play at home.
I wonder why. was the WC being held in Iran? or away from Iran?

[Payam_S]

Oh you're talking about friendlies for WCQ only, then yeah that was only Croatia.
I agree that Branco was very conservative and a weak leader and IMO it was his major problem and the reason he failed.

[Roozbeh-G2006]

Add to that tomorrow's win as well. ;)

[Roozbeh-G2006]

I think daei, "numerically" is on the right path.
hopefully we'll qualify directly so daei can get on with the next phase of TM's preparation for the WC.


so far, the only top quality team daei has met with is ksa.
the rest have been B and C and D grade asian teams.

In the next phase he shd demand high quality opposition and not run away from them, like what branko did.
branko's mistake was he put his own good over that of TM's, which means all he wanted was improvement in the "numbers & stats" and not the "quality" of the team.
that's why he ran away from any real tests and accepted only pisspoor friendlies like panama, azerbaijan, lybia, .... A'reh, ooreh & shamsi-kooreh !

Daei after qualification shd mold the team into a fearless team that is USED TO meeting big names and big teams. no matter if we lose 3-0 or 4-0 in those games. those "numbers" are not important. what's important is the team is TRULY TESTED by WC quality teams.
only then we'd know where we stand in relation to the WC standards.
coz we dont want a repeat of our pathetic WC06 again.

Totally agree.

[yashar_fasihnia]

Oh you're talking about friendlies for WCQ only, then yeah that was only Croatia.
I agree that Branco was very conservative and a weak leader and IMO it was his major problem and the reason he failed.

we also played against bosnia A team who had got great results against some of europes top teams like drawing spain and only missed qualifications in the last second or something...

[Payam_S]

we also played against bosnia A team who had got great results against some of europes top teams like drawing spain and only missed qualifications in the last second or something...

We played 2 times against them.
First time we won 2_1 in which they played with their first team ( almost) which was a great game ,but second time which we won 5_2 they came to Tehran i dont with what team but their team was bs.

[kurosh]

We played 2 times against them.
First time we won 2_1 in which they played with their first team ( almost) which was a great game ,but second time which we won 5_2 they came to Tehran i dont with what team but their team was bs.

they scored two quick goals on us, it showed that we were capable of keeping our heads up and coming back

and don't forget, we got screwed out of that win against croatia, 97th min. pk, yeah....

[Persianking]

Damn 8 months?
For me its like yesterday he become our coach:D

Daei:bow:

[Siavash]

I think daei, "numerically" is on the right path.
hopefully we'll qualify directly so daei can get on with the next phase of TM's preparation for the WC.


so far, the only top quality team daei has met with is ksa.
the rest have been B and C and D grade asian teams.
In the next phase he shd demand high quality opposition and not run away from them, like what branko did.branko's mistake was he put his own good over that of TM's, which means all he wanted was improvement in the "numbers & stats" and not the "quality" of the team.
that's why he ran away from any real tests and accepted only pisspoor friendlies like panama, azerbaijan, lybia, .... A'reh, ooreh & shamsi-kooreh !

Daei after qualification shd mold the team into a fearless team that is USED TO meeting big names and big teams. no matter if we lose 3-0 or 4-0 in those games. those "numbers" are not important. what's important is the team is TRULY TESTED by WC quality teams.
only then we'd know where we stand in relation to the WC standards.
coz we dont want a repeat of our pathetic WC06 again.

Negative again:bs:

[Keshwardoost]

Great Post, Thanks alot Shir Farhad :)

[Kiafan06]

Negative again:bs:

Yeah Some users really hurt their credibility by being negative ALL THE TIME...
Repped.

[yashar_fasihnia]

We played 2 times against them.
First time we won 2_1 in which they played with their first team ( almost) which was a great game ,but second time which we won 5_2 they came to Tehran i dont with what team but their team was bs.

the 2nd time also was very close their first team missing only 3 4 players

Bosnia & Herzegovina announce list for S.Korea and Iran friendlies

5/16/2006
Jadran Sport

Bosnia & Herzegovina

Although the national team of Bosnia & Herzegovina isn’t going to participate in this summer’s World Cup, the fans from this Ex-Yugoslav Republic will have two interesting friendlies to look forward to. After playing a 2:2 draw with Japan in their last international match the Bosnians will face two other Asian selections which will play in Germany, South Korea & Iran.

At the press conference of the Bosnian Football Association, the most questions were related to the young Haris Medunjanin who’s in doubt whether to play for Holland or B&H. Will he accept the call up? What are the plans for him and how good the national coach Blaz Sliskovic’s believes the youngster is going to fit in the team?

On all those questions the FA officials only said that they are really hoping that the 21-year-old puts on the jersey of his homeland and if that happens, they have no doubt that AZ Alkmaar’s midfielder is going to make a great impact on the squad.

Goalkeepers: Kenan Hasagic (Gaziantepspor), Almir Tolja (Batery Savat), Romeo Mitrovic (Zrinjski).

Defenders: Dzemal Berberovic (Litex Lovech), Ninoslav Milenkovic (Germinal Beerschot), Sasa Papac (FK Austria), Velimir Vidic (Zrinjski), Branimir Bajic (Al Vahda), Nikola Vasiljevic (Modrica), Dalibor Silic (Siroki Brijeg), Vule Trivunovic (FK Sarajevo).

Midfielders: Zlatan Bajramovic (Schalke 04), Admir Vladavic (Zeljeznicar), Sergej Barbarez (Hamburger), Mirko Hrgovic (Hajduk Split), Ivica Grlic (Duisburg), Senaid Ibricic (NK Zagreb), Edin Husic (Orasje), Dusan Kerkez (NK Rijeka), Alen Skoro (GAK).

Strikers: Haris Medunjanin (AZ Alkmaar), Zvijezdan Misimovic (Bochum), Mirsad Beslija (Hearts), Zlatan Muslimovic (Messina), Mladen Bartolovic (NK Zagreb), Nedim Halilovic (Varteks), Petar Jelic (Modrica).

By 22nd May Sliskovic will decrease the number of his internationals from 27 to 20 and then travel to Frankfurt from where they will fly to Seoul (South Korea) for the friendly on May 26th. Five days later, Sliskovic and his players will face Branislav Ivankovic’s Iran in Tehran.


http://www.lastkick.com/?p=1053
this friendly was on 31st may 2006, it was a friendly warmup for iran worldcup 2006, and a friendly for bosnia who were starting their euro 2008 qualifiers.

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here is bosnia's squad for their euro qualifiers , 3 months after their friendlies with japan, korea, iran and france:

this is their squad against hungary in their immediate qualifier 3 months after Irans friendly game (they played 1 qualifier with malta before this game as well):
out of the 18 players in their squad against hungary, only 4 were absent from the team that played against Iran, that too, 2 of them were subbed out, 1 played the entire 90 mins and the 4th could have played 90mins bu was red carded.

those 4 players that i have underlined are the only ones that were not in the iran game squad.

http://euro2008.uefa.com/tournament/qualifying/matches/match=83874/index.html

Bosnia-Herzegovina

No. Player Name
1 Kenan Hasagić
3 Vedin Musić -> subbed out (Left Back)
4 Emir Spahić -> red carded (Center Back)
5 Zlatan Bajramović
6 Saša Papac
7 Elvir Bolić -> played 90 mins(forward)
9 Sergej Barbarez
10 Zvjezdan Misimović
16 Dušan Kerkez
18 Mirko Hrgović
19 Mladen Bartolović

Substitutes
12 Almir Tolja------> saba battery :cool:
13 Zlatan Muslimović
14 Mirsad Bešlija
20 Vule Trivunović
8 Ivicia Grlić
11 Vladan Grujić ->(midfielder) remained a sub the enitre game
17 Ninoslav Milenković

their team wasnt $hit at all, its hard to believe specially with all the negative propaganda around TM that time (there is always negative propaganda around TM no matter who is the coach), but yes, we did play well against some good european teams.

[Ghormeh Sabzi]

i just wish and hope he will invite kazemian =/


i know u guys gonna jump on me for what i'm about to say.. but i wish we could compare daei's first 8 months with branko lol

[maij]

i just wish and hope he will invite kazemian =/


i know u guys gonna jump on me for what i'm about to say.. but i wish we could compare daei's first 8 months with branko lol


I don't now whether it is a personal liking for Kazemian or based on merits that you like to see him in the team.

If it is for merits , ability and performance , the man cannot play 90 good minutes in a bottom of the league team in UAE , and you want him play for Team Melli ?

The guy has some serious attitude problem that I can fill pages of it.

The guy has bad mouthed Daei and even when a reporter asked him if he regrets what he said , at a later stage , he was adamant in his stance.

Now tell me Agha Ghormeh Sabzi , are you the type of Iranian who invites a person to Ghormeh Sabzi dinner after he told you how horrible of a person you are in front of the whole world ???

Leave his odd character on the side for a minute, tell me about his current form and performance that makes you think he has a claim for a TM spot.

[Arian]

good record, im satisfied

i cant believe its been 8 months though, time reallyyyy flies

[Ghormeh Sabzi]

I don't now whether it is a personal liking for Kazemian or based on merits that you like to see him in the team.

If it is for merits , ability and performance , the man cannot play 90 good minutes in a bottom of the league team in UAE , and you want him play for Team Melli ?

The guy has some serious attitude problem that I can fill pages of it.

The guy has bad mouthed Daei and even when a reporter asked him if he regrets what he said , at a later stage , he was adamant in his stance.

Now tell me Agha Ghormeh Sabzi , are you the type of Iranian who invites a person to Ghormeh Sabzi dinner after he told you how horrible of a person you are in front of the whole world ???

Leave his odd character on the side for a minute, tell me about his current form and performance that makes you he has a claim for a TM spot.

i like the player personally and i think he is a fine player.. TM quality i dunno, no one has given him a chance to perform since AC07.. if you saying he is not a TM quality player then why is sadeghi or khatibi keep getting invited and not only that start the match.. i think kazemian is great player to bring in TM and sub in second half. he's not a quitter and type player that quiets easily in my opinion. i would take him any day anytime over khatibi or sadeghi

and his problems with daei you know wat i agree that was a immature act of him and why can't they make it up just like how daei went to PP locker room and visited karimi.

i get your point and no i wouldn't invite them for ghorme sabzi sess lol

[G0happy]

i just wish and hope he will invite kazemian =/


i know u guys gonna jump on me for what i'm about to say.. but i wish we could compare daei's first 8 months with branko lol
I agree :bow: he is one of my favourite TM players and i think since the AC, he should have stayed in TM. Hopefully Borhani and Kazemian will both get a call up for the next WC qualifier and be wearing the TM jersey in the WC too (if Iran were to get there, which we will:D )

[erdi77]

i like the player personally and i think he is a fine player.. TM quality i dunno, no one has given him a chance to perform since AC07.. if you saying he is not a TM quality player then why is sadeghi or khatibi keep getting invited and not only that start the match.. i think kazemian is great player to bring in TM and sub in second half. he's not a quitter and type player that quiets easily in my opinion. i would take him any day anytime over khatibi or sadeghi


Kazemian has great potencial but unfortunately he is not very consistent. Look, how well he played in AC 07. I think he only showed a glimpse of what he is capable of. He has the "fire", every good striker has, the feeling of being at the right place at the right time. I really like him and I would like to see him in TM but he just needs to show more consistency.

[Inda]

dont wanna sound negative or say that daei hasnt done a god job but TM havent played agianst a strong team so lets wait and se if we can play good agianst real football teams too

[maij]

i like the player personally and i think he is a fine player.. TM quality i dunno, no one has given him a chance to perform since AC07.. if you saying he is not a TM quality player then why is sadeghi or khatibi keep getting invited and not only that start the match.. i think kazemian is great player to bring in TM and sub in second half. he's not a quitter and type player that quiets easily in my opinion. i would take him any day anytime over khatibi or sadeghi

and his problems with daei you know wat i agree that was a immature act of him and why can't they make it up just like how daei went to PP locker room and visited karimi.

i get your point and no i wouldn't invite them for ghorme sabzi sess lol

First of all , I am glad you will not invite him for Ghorme Sabzi Dinner :D:D

About the merits , and let us talk about Kazemian here rather than Khatibi or Sadeghi. When you think he is a fine player ( which I am sure he is) it is a broad statement. It is no good if a player is fine and he is unable to deliver. Since Kazemian debut in 2001 , 8 different coaches took the helm in Team Melli. He was given his chances now and then but apart from the two good games under Ghalenoei in Asian Cup2007 as a sub , he has not really played that great. I can't beleive that all the 8 different coaches , they were all wrong for not keeping him as a fix player.

Plus there are so many other factors that dictates selction in the views of a coach that is beyond the scope of this post.

I was specifically asking about current form. I watch UAE league regulay , and apart from one match , Kazemian was been disppointing and even criticized by his club coach.

I maintain that there are a lot of fine players in Iran, , but sometimes these fine players find themselves challenged by other fine players as well.

[G0happy]

dont wanna sound negative or say that daei hasnt done a god job but TM havent played agianst a strong team so lets wait and se if we can play good agianst real football teams too
Who cares, Daei has given very good results for TM in Asian. Iran dominated the WAFF Championship :bow: and we had like a 2nd team (6-1 against Qatar as well), we also drew 1-1 with Saudi Arabia away.

[persepolisfan]

these are some brilliant stats. Good job soltan daei:bow: :bow: :bow: He will certainly take us to world cup 2010. I remember when we all were haters, to daei, now he is one of the best, if not the best coach we ever had. He is passionate about TM, i bet clemente would not even be at the callabre daei is now. Shireeee daei:bow: :iranflag: :iranflag:

[G0happy]

these are some brilliant stats. Good job soltan daei:bow: :bow: :bow: He will certainly take us to world cup 2010. I remember when we all were haters, to daei, now he is one of the best, if not the best coach we ever had. He is passionate about TM, i bet clemente would not even be at the callabre daei is now. Shireeee daei:bow: :iranflag: :iranflag:
:bow: :bow: :bow: repped.
From the start when TM were looking for a coach I said Daei should be the coach. Everyone was telling me to stop saying that coz Daei has no coaching experience at all. He and me proved u guys wrong.

[Shervin]

Seems to be a bit of a confusion.

1) My question is: What "own good" did Branko try to preserve? Trying to prove he's a good coach. He already had nothing to prove, he took the team to a 3rd place finish in an exciting Asian Cup route, while preserving a fluid style of soccer, which brought results. Nothing to prove.

2) Not sure if you remember, but Iran was rejected opportunities to even have friendlies with high-ranking teams, namely by the football associations of those countries. You must remember, a coach doesn't have control over political environment, and who accepts invitations. The effort was made, it was just out of his control.

At this time, we see a similar political environment, and to some extent we still see difficulties in arranging friendlies. I.e. Football camp in Spain that never happened and countless others.

So I challenge you to ask yourself this question: If it were so simple to arrange high profile football friendlies, wouldn't every coach do it?




I think daei, "numerically" is on the right path.
hopefully we'll qualify directly so daei can get on with the next phase of TM's preparation for the WC.


so far, the only top quality team daei has met with is ksa.
the rest have been B and C and D grade asian teams.

In the next phase he shd demand high quality opposition and not run away from them, like what branko did.
branko's mistake was he put his own good over that of TM's, which means all he wanted was improvement in the "numbers & stats" and not the "quality" of the team.
that's why he ran away from any real tests and accepted only pisspoor friendlies like panama, azerbaijan, lybia, .... A'reh, ooreh & shamsi-kooreh !

Daei after qualification shd mold the team into a fearless team that is USED TO meeting big names and big teams. no matter if we lose 3-0 or 4-0 in those games. those "numbers" are not important. what's important is the team is TRULY TESTED by WC quality teams.
only then we'd know where we stand in relation to the WC standards.
coz we dont want a repeat of our pathetic WC06 again.

[Amin_]

Nice stats, too bad the only quality team in that list (Saudi) had to spoil it a little, otherwise it would've been even more impressive ;)

I'd rather have less impressive stats with us knowing how to stand up against big nations, than having amazing stats and coming short in the big matches against strong opponents.

[Inda]

Who cares, Daei has given very good results for TM in Asian. Iran dominated the WAFF Championship :bow: and we had like a 2nd team (6-1 against Qatar as well), we also drew 1-1 with Saudi Arabia away.
yeah who cares we play 1-1 agianst UAE the weakest team in our grp and yes its the weakest team in our grp you can say who cares when we are at wc and dont get owned by every team ;)

[ShirFarhad]

Hossein Ashjari
Pejman Montazeri
Pejman Nouri
Ahmad Jamshidian
Arash Borhani
Reza Khaleghifar

Have been added to the list to make it 50

[Karimi 8]

great stats, great coach and soon to be great team melli again

[OsaBlue]

how old is Ashjari?

[Siavash]

I hope this Ashjari is our answer to TM LB position.

[persepolisfan]

its been great

[mehdy]

Oh,Daei didn't call Rajabzadeh...

[shayan20]

Daei really likes Jamshidian, If he keeps up playing like that, He will always be in Daei's line-up.

[mehdy]

Where is Amraee??

[Masoud_A]

Where is Amraee??
suspended for faking his birthdate to be considered younger.

[MoJo23]

how old is Ashjari?

I believe he is 28.

EDIT - (DOB: 18.02.1979)

[Asghar Agha]

naive comments.
TM played against weak teams like UAE, NK ... and has not yet had excellent result.
Big deal to make 1-1 against UAE and Daei learn how to accuse the referee like a loser each time when TM has done a bad job.
If you want to lie to yourself, then let's say Daei shireh.:rofl:

[021]

naive comments.
TM played against weak teams like UAE, NK ... and has not yet had excellent result.
Big deal to make 1-1 against UAE and Daei learn how to accuse the referee like a loser each time when TM has done a bad job.
If you want to lie to yourself, then let's say Daei shireh.:rofl:

Daei Shirehhhhhhhh.

[mehdy]

suspended for faking his birthdate to be considered younger.

Yeah,i know.
But didn't he play for Daei's TM even one match?

I think he played 1 or 2 games..

[mehdy]

Daei really likes Jamshidian, If he keeps up playing like that, He will always be in Daei's line-up.

I cannot understand his Good point. Plz explain about jamshidian.

Is he striker or attacking MF?

He take freekick or CK for Sepahan sometimes...so is he good taker?

I watched his IPL and TM games...but i don't know why..

[shayan20]

I cannot understand his Good point. Plz explain about jamshidian.
Is he striker or attacking MF?
He take freekick or CK for Sepahan sometimes...so is he good taker?
I watched his IPL and TM games...but i don't know why..
We could see him as an average IPL midfielder but IMO one thing that stands out from the rest is his attitude and discipline which Daei has strong focus on.
His FK is great and he has got a strong right foot for shooting.
He is very intelligent passer of the ball, his passes can unlock compressed defenses.
One other positive point of Jamshidian is his Consistency. I've watched almost all his game at sepahan this season and I can say he's always been the same, never have I seen him drop below his level. He is always the same versatile player we know.
Im not surprised Daei has picked him after his impressive performances for Sepahan.

[The-Red]

it's simple really...stats are good...he has done well as far as giving the team the winning mentality that we missed for a few years, even if against weaker opponents, however, I am not seeing much of an improvement in the style of our football and that's a fact whether you like daie or not; we need to improve on the performances and surely need stronger opponents, but so far and for the first 8 months, considering his limited experience as a coach and the fact that he is vatani who hasn't sat in a single coaching class nor has a coaching certificate, I give him a passing score. A good record for Daie means a good record for TM and that's all that we want, so go TM, go whoever loves the team and helps the team in anyway.
If he brings luck to the team, so be it lol

[Babak agha]

I doubt the stats ar right though, I remember Daei drewing to KSA and UAE in the second round alone. On top of that he drew against all the 3 teams in the first round. So that are 5 draw already.. Iran recently also lost to China. I don't know where you got your stats from??

[maij]

it's simple really...stats are good...he has done well as far as giving the team the winning mentality that we missed for a few years, even if against weaker opponents, however, I am not seeing much of an improvement in the style of our football and that's a fact whether you like daie or not; we need to improve on the performances and surely need stronger opponents, but so far and for the first 8 months, considering his limited experience as a coach and the fact that he is vatani who hasn't sat in a single coaching class nor has a coaching certificate, I give him a passing score. A good record for Daie means a good record for TM and that's all that we want, so go TM, go whoever loves the team and helps the team in anyway.
If he brings luck to the team, so be it lol


I made a similar comment in another post about the style of play , actually style of play is probably does not define it accurately but it is the closest.

Apart from the Ecuador game , that TM played some real fluent football , the team has not progressed much in any department. The team still lacks decent scoring ability , still short in defensive duties , still has discipline problem ( which surprises me the most).

The bigger picture and the source of the solutions for these shortcomings (and others that is not mentioned) must be sorted out at grass-root level and then enhanced at club levels.

No matter how powerful and skillful coach is available at National team level , he can not create a miracle out of the players in the very short time that he has the team available to him. Wrong attitudes or tactics that these players have been used to at club level , is translated directly into the national team with not enough time to change doubtful tactical shortcomings.

I think Daei's success ( apart from the statistics) can be measured by how he maneges to get the best out of the players he selects for the team. He can not score on their behaf on the pitch , neither can he teach them who to pass to or which player to mark, but he can motivate them , provide them with required game plan and ensure they stick to it as required.

[mehdy]

We could see him as an average IPL midfielder but IMO one thing that stands out from the rest is his attitude and discipline which Daei has strong focus on.
His FK is great and he has got a strong right foot for shooting.
He is very intelligent passer of the ball, his passes can unlock compressed defenses.
One other positive point of Jamshidian is his Consistency. I've watched almost all his game at sepahan this season and I can say he's always been the same, never have I seen him drop below his level. He is always the same versatile player we know.
Im not surprised Daei has picked him after his impressive performances for Sepahan.

Hmm,thanks for the explanation.
And more good point is he is still 24 years old.
Daei always like Discipline,intelligence, and Consistency:)

[OsaBlue]

I believe he is 28.

EDIT - (DOB: 18.02.1979)
really? thought he was younger

[Mr Pouya]

I made a similar comment in another post about the style of play , actually style of play is probably does not define it accurately but it is the closest.

Apart from the Ecuador game , that TM played some real fluent football , the team has not progressed much in any department. The team still lacks decent scoring ability , still short in defensive duties , still has discipline problem ( which surprises me the most).

The bigger picture and the source of the solutions for these shortcomings (and others that is not mentioned) must be sorted out at grass-root level and then enhanced at club levels.

No matter how powerful and skillful coach is available at National team level , he can not create a miracle out of the players in the very short time that he has the team available to him. Wrong attitudes or tactics that these players have been used to at club level , is translated directly into the national team with not enough time to change doubtful tactical shortcomings.

I think Daei's success ( apart from the statistics) can be measured by how he maneges to get the best out of the players he selects for the team. He can not score on their behaf on the pitch , neither can he teach them who to pass to or which player to mark, but he can motivate them , provide them with required game plan and ensure they stick to it as required.
where did u get that from :confused: we having been playing awful in mostly all games, no speed awful passes, loss of position, bekesh ziresh defending, basically ali asgahri football...in all games ive seen under daei i still havent seen any tactics at least we had tactics under GN but just wrong players!!
if you ask me Daei has been tremendously lucky from all kinds of views e.g tactics, personal relations and many more things!
i honestly dont care what i get labeled as coz these days as soon as you make constructive criticism u get labeled a BASHER!!

[ShirFarhad]

I doubt the stats ar right though, I remember Daei drewing to KSA and UAE in the second round alone. On top of that he drew against all the 3 teams in the first round. So that are 5 draw already.. Iran recently also lost to China. I don't know where you got your stats from??

The stats were from a month ago, if you read the date of when the thread was opened.

Also Iran had two draws in first round under Daei, I don't know where you got your information from that Daei was coaching Team Melli in our first match against Syria?

These are the updated stats:

Matches Played: 18
Won: 12
Drew: 4
Lost: 2

Goals scored: 31
Goals conceeded: 11

[OFFSIDE_1]

He brought Discipline and leadership to a team that at the time was badly needed. Surprisingly, he has shown that he does learn from his mistakes and will make corrections without worrying about his ego being hurt (enayati, possibly khatibi)

Overall I think he has done a good job. Needless to say, the upcoming games against Korea and KSA will tell us where the team really stands. It's a good thing to have all these players tested, however, going forward he needs to narrow down the list and create a team environment with players getting more and more familiar with each other. The roster that plays the friendlies should be the sameone playing the qualifying games, otherwise what is the purpose of having friendlies if you insert new players 3 days before a crucial match. At this stage, the only 2 european based players that should be on the team are nekounam and shojaie. The rest should consider retiring

[The-Red]

the real test will only take place when we play top asian teams or non asian teams. Let's hope we do as well against them, otherwise, we usually never had a problem beating most of the 2nd and 3rd degree asian teams.

[maij]

where did u get that from :confused:

Exactly where you got your expert opinion from , by attending the matches , and watching them on TV! Unless there is another method ...:confused:



we having been playing awful in mostly all games, no speed awful passes, loss of position, bekesh ziresh defending, basically ali asgahri football...in all games ive seen under daei i still havent seen any tactics at least we had tactics under GN but just wrong players!!

Hmmmm.... I would not go so far, granted that they have not been exactly great , but Bekash Bezirish football !!!!!! What TV system do you have by the way ? Do you watch matches on your PC ?




if you ask me Daei has been tremendously lucky from all kinds of views e.g tactics, personal relations and many more things!

If you say so .... I am not expert on LUCK and its magical effects , so I can't really comment on that.




i honestly dont care what i get labeled as coz these days as soon as you make constructive criticism u get labeled a BASHER!!

I think other people should decide whether your views are "Constructive Criticism " or not. They are certainly views , but I don't know about the constructive part , because is not NOT what the definition means according to this one:

Constructive criticism, or constructive analysis, is a compassionate attitude towards the person qualified for criticism. Having higher experience, gifts, respect, knowledge in specific field and being able to verbally convince at the same time, this person is intending to uplift the other person materially, morally, emotionally or spiritually.


If you have any other definitions, please spell out , so we can judge if it is constructive.

[Mr Pouya]

Exactly where you got your expert opinion from , by attending the matches , and watching them on TV! Unless there is another method ...:confused:



Hmmmm.... I would not go so far, granted that they have not been exactly great , but Bekash Bezirish football !!!!!! What TV system do you have by the way ? Do you watch matches on your PC ?




If you say so .... I am not expert on LUCK and its magical effects , so I can't really comment on that.




I think other people should decide whether your views are "Constructive Criticism " or not. They are certainly views , but I don't know about the constructive part , because is not NOT what the definition means according to this one:

Constructive criticism, or constructive analysis, is a compassionate attitude towards the person qualified for criticism. Having higher experience, gifts, respect, knowledge in specific field and being able to verbally convince at the same time, this person is intending to uplift the other person materially, morally, emotionally or spiritually.


If you have any other definitions, please spell out , so we can judge if it is constructive.
here we go again!! we all know ur extra bias views towards daei and his team.....iran plays anything BUT fluent football!!
Daie has been ultra lucky in games when u have a game that ur getting outplayed by the opponent the whole game and then we score a totally undeserved goal that makes a draw or a win then that's LUCK!!
honestly maij u need to give up ur ultra bias views man im not even gona bother to replay to ur sarcastic and "owned" sort of comments coz ive grown out that age!

[maij]

here we go again!! we all know ur extra bias views towards daei and his team.....iran plays anything BUT fluent football!!
Daie has been ultra lucky in games when u have a game that ur getting outplayed by the opponent the whole game and then we score a totally undeserved goal that makes a draw or a win then that's LUCK!!
honestly maij u need to give up ur ultra bias views man im not even gona bother to replay to ur sarcastic and "owned" sort of comments coz ive grown out that age!

Forget about bias or otherwise , cuz you are the last one who should talk about it with all your bias for the Ghotbi ( not that I hold it against you) , where is your "Constructive Criticism" ?

[Mr Pouya]

Forget about bias or otherwise , cuz you are the last one who should talk about it with all your bias for the Ghotbi ( not that I hold it against you) , where is your "Constructive Criticism" ?i didnt want to reply but man i must be psychic coz i knew u would drag ghotbi here, i am not biast towards ghotbi, if you have seen my post i have crticised him for many issues the only problem i had was the sickening comment towards him and the fact ppl had no evidence and just posted absolute garbage and got away with it!!

[persian boy]

they are good stats, but besides Zambia have we played anybody outside asia ?

[Agha Kasra]

they are good stats, but besides Zambia have we played anybody outside asia ?
Yeah Ecuador :D.

All the asian teams we have played have been 2nd rate/ 3rd rate/ 4th rate as well so thats not even something to be proud of :rolleyes:

[maij]

i didnt want to reply but man i must be psychic coz i knew u would drag ghotbi here, i am not biast towards ghotbi, if you have seen my post i have crticised him for many issues the only problem i had was the sickening comment towards him and the fact ppl had no evidence and just posted absolute garbage and got away with it!!


So , you are NOT biased .....Sorry , my bad ....That huge picture of Ghotbi you used to carry in your signature, and this "Thank you Mr. Ghotbi " in your Avatar , fooled me into such thinking :D:D

So , I guess there is no sense talking about "Constructive Criticism" then...

[persian boy]

Yeah Ecuador :D.

All the asian teams we have played have been 2nd rate/ 3rd rate/ 4th rate as well so thats not even something to be proud of :rolleyes:
haha yeah. as Amin said the only quality asian team was Saudi Arabia.

and that speaks for itself:rolleyes:

[tashakor]

Off topic: Bahrain beat Saudi Arabia in a friendly, earlier today.

Final score 1-0

[shayan20]

I think Mr.Pouya is comparing our TM with Manchester united, so when he watches Tm matches, the quality and fluency is, of course garbage compared with Man U games:D

I said before, the way we play is the last thing I care about considering TM rarely displays decent football.
RESULT is what matter. You don't get to the WC playing beautiful football but getting results.

[Payam_S]

No team can success by playing garbage and unplanned football, be it WCQ, WC itself or any other tournament.
Just name a single team that can play ali asghari and could've been succeed.
By playing good football we dont mean 90' attacking and making 30 goal opportunity.
Italy doesnt play attacking and beautiful football but they have a solid defense and their plan based on their defense but we have no good FW, Neither MF nor DF but a good goalie..
Can we survive by it??
We know how lucky we were in our last three matches but luck doesnt last forever ,it ends and if we dont do something about the way we play no gheyrat or luck or emam zaman can help us.

[G0happy]

I think Mr.Pouya is comparing our TM with Manchester united, so when he watches Tm matches, the quality and fluency is, of course garbage compared with Man U games:D

I said before, the way we play is the last thing I care about considering TM rarely displays decent football.
RESULT is what matter. You don't get to the WC playing beautiful football but getting results.
:bow: :bow: :bow: Everyone has been criticising Daei and saying that TM is playing shit football and just winning. He has fantastic stats. He has won 14 and only lost 1 match. We finished the 1st round of WC Qualifiers undefeated and we still are. So whats everyone's problem :angry:

[The-Red]

I wish Daie the best, but some of us really need to open our eyes and realize we won't get far with this style of aliasghari football and we will, when matters most, fall apart and Rahmati even might not be able to save our behind. I hope we play well enough in the future that we don't have to rely on rahmati or the referee to obtain good stats.

[G0happy]

^^ Have you been reading the other posts?? Who cares about the style of football TM play. If we are winning every match 1-0, that's good enough. Daei just needs to get some good tactics for the European teams, that's it

[Asghar Agha]

I wish Daie the best, but some of us really need to open our eyes and realize we won't get far with this style of aliasghari football and we will, when matters most, fall apart and Rahmati even might not be able to save our behind. I hope we play well enough in the future that we don't have to rely on rahmati or the referee to obtain good stats.

Very true.
In any case, I don't find much improvement in out football since Daei has been appointed the Coach.

[Siavash]

:bow: :bow: :bow: Everyone has been criticising Daei and saying that TM is playing shit football and just winning. He has fantastic stats. He has won 14 and only lost 1 match. We finished the 1st round of WC Qualifiers undefeated and we still are. So whats everyone's problem :angry:

Daei yet to lose an official match. and that is a great record.

[Siavash]

So , you are NOT biased .....Sorry , my bad ....That huge picture of Ghotbi you used to carry in your signature, and this "Thank you Mr. Ghotbi " in your Avatar , fooled me into such thinking :D:D

So , I guess there is no sense talking about "Constructive Criticism" then...

:rofl: :rofl:

[maij]

I think Mr.Pouya is comparing our TM with Manchester united, so when he watches Tm matches, the quality and fluency is, of course garbage compared with Man U games:D

I said before, the way we play is the last thing I care about considering TM rarely displays decent football.
RESULT is what matter. You don't get to the WC playing beautiful football but getting results.


That is very good point.

Obviously some people are confused and by watching top notch clubs or national teams of this world , they think Team Melli can simply turn out and imitate them, conveniently forgetting that the likes of Real Madrid, Barcelona and Man Utd have so much in depth organizational power , planning and finanaces that most of the national teams of the world cannot even dream of.

[The-Red]

^^ Have you been reading the other posts?? Who cares about the style of football TM play. If we are winning every match 1-0, that's good enough. Daei just needs to get some good tactics for the European teams, that's it

When looking at the stats of a football team always consider few factors if you are thinking about the future of the team as well the current stats:
-Results of course,
-Quality of the opponents,
-Manner in which those results were obtained...
-Improvement by team game by game

stats can be very deceiving and it seems to me most of us have been fooled...I love to see these stats continue, don't get me wrong, but when we play Qatar and UAE over and over and we still need Rahmati to have a great game to save us, stats can be very deceiving.
As I said, for now, Daie has done all in his power to get the results, and I have no doubt he is doing his best with the best intentions to help TM, but as I have said from day 1, his lack of experience and flexibility as a coach and of course evident from the way TM is getting results (example=UAE-Iran), his best doesn't seem to be good enough in the long run. In all sincerely hope that I am wrong and the TM starts to play football soon in addition to just not losing games to weaker opponents.

I would have said the same thing about branko, ghotbi, GN, or whoever else in charge of TM. Some ppl on this forum however have turned these discussions into a love-hate issues rather than TM, which should come first.

[Mr Pouya]

That is very good point.

Obviously some people are confused and by watching top notch clubs or national teams of this world , they think Team Melli can simply turn out and imitate them, conveniently forgetting that the likes of Real Madrid, Barcelona and Man Utd have so much in depth organizational power , planning and finanaces that most of the national teams of the world cannot even dream of.
ahh no mate, again ur trying to twist the facts.....lets just take the uae game the team couldnt make any proper passes all games, players losing the ball all the time and like typical games getting long passes from defence..and scoring a lucky goal!! thats not fluent football in my book and this has been going on through out the daei era , like the-red said in the forum we have the persepolis and TM divide!!! i always try to avoid this whole conflict but again members keep on dragging in on and i have noticed because of the love of my team and my support of ghotbi i always seem to be put down by the daie lovers because of this matter and many times ppl assume because of this im BIAS!!! but i have criticised ghotbi on occasions and so on... but im honestly sick of all this crap and bullshit divide on this forum!! many times we've seen sick and disgusting comment by members against ghotbi even by some mods but when one person says one word against daei is is automatically a basher/immature/ghotbi lover and so on...i might not like daei but i will always support him just because he is the coach of IRAN and i always want the best for my country!!!! but when the guy is just shit and been riding his luck all this 8 months then i have to criticise him...but honestly this shit has to STOP

[Payam_S]

many times we've seen sick and disgusting comment by members against ghotbi even by some mods but when one person says one word against daei is is automatically a basher/immature/ghotbi lover and so on...i might not like daei but i will always support him just because he is the coach of IRAN and i always want the best for my country!!!! but when the guy is just shit and been riding his luck all this 8 months then i have to criticise him...but honestly this shit has to STOP

I agree with Pouya.
Whenever we wanna criticize Daie and TM we'd be labeled as basher , TM hater or felani hater bahmani lover.
People post anything they want about Nikbakht's late night parties, Qotbi's wife or girlfriend but when we say TM doesnt have plan then....

[shayan20]

TM doesn't have a plan???!

That's the funniest shit ever:rofl:

how can they not have a plan?
Have any of you guys been in the locker room to see if they have a plan or not?!

[Payam_S]

TM doesn't have a plan???!

That's the funniest shit ever:rofl:

how can they not have a plan?
Have any of you guys been in the locker room to see if they have a plan or not?!

This is the funniest comment again.
Tell me something all these Karshenas and analyst have to be in teams's locker room or presence in their training to see what their plan is or what's the way the opponents play??
And if you say TM does have plan have you been there in the locker room to claim such thing?

[shayan20]

This is the funniest comment again.
Tell me something all these Karshenas and analyst have to be in teams's locker room or presence in their training to see what their plan is or what's the way the opponents play??
And if you say TM does have plan have you been there in the locker room to claim such thing?
No. But I can see from watching the games, so you're telling me the game against Ecuador was just a coincidence that tm played so well?

Tm might have played bad against UAE but that doesnt mean they didn't have a plan. There was a lot more to it like Neko and shojaei's poor performance as they didn't have time for a rest as they arrived in Iran from spain.
Daei has plans, how did he make saipa champions?with no plan or tactic?

Its ridiculous to say Tm has no plans and the results we got are all due to luck.
you tell that to a 2 year old they laugh at you.

[Payam_S]

Plan is how to get to the opponent's goal, is how you defense, how your FW possession, what is your DF system, what's supposed to be done on FK and....
Can you tell me what TM has got on these?
TM was not able to make a few pass before and now against Ecuador when we did and made some opportunities then now we're all happy.
You said before that we expect TM to play like ManUnited , i'm not sure if you remember all these games:

Iran_KSA AC 96 ( both games)
Iran_SK AC 96
Iran_Denmark 99
Iran_Germany 05
Iran_ Yugoslavia WC 98
Iran_ SK 04
and many more...
Tell me was that ManUnited played as TM or it was our own TM??
Every team improve day by day then is it a high expectation of us to see TM play like before??
We were able to make some passes and opportunities and we were all happy to dead for that, only for one half time and we claim we're the best in Asia.
Is it how TM has to be?? Win against Jordan, Qatar and...and say wow look at the stats, playing 80 mins under pressure against UAE and say we have a good team and it's not just luck and Rahmati.
Are we suppose to be excited for a 45 mins playing ok type of football against Ecuador and close our eyes and say TM is doing good?
Supporting a team is not always praising it blindly, if you love your team you have to see its weakness and criticize them, if you love your coach and you want to support him it doesnt have to be only by shire shire...
We all say that Daie is an international coach, been playing in CL, Bayern and... knows what to do, has got the latest knowledge of football but when we ask for a plan or tactic you say we dont have to expect TM to play like ManUnited.
Again i'd say TM has not shown any proper tactic and plan in its games even against Qatar, China and etc and anyone claims otherwise i'd be really glad to gain some knowledge and know what TM's plans are??

[Siavash]

No. But I can see from watching the games, so you're telling me the game against Ecuador was just a coincidence that tm played so well?

Tm might have played bad against UAE but that doesnt mean they didn't have a plan. There was a lot more to it like Neko and shojaei's poor performance as they didn't have time for a rest as they arrived in Iran from spain.
Daei has plans, how did he make saipa champions?with no plan or tactic?

Its ridiculous to say Tm has no plans and the results we got are all due to luck.
you tell that to a 2 year old they laugh at you.

exactly!

[maij]

I agree with Pouya.
Whenever we wanna criticize Daie and TM we'd be labeled as basher , TM hater or felani hater bahmani lover.
People post anything they want about Nikbakht's late night parties, Qotbi's wife or girlfriend but when we say TM doesnt have plan then....


There is a huge difference between constructive criticism and bashing.

No one is beyiond critisicm , including Daei and bigger than Daei , but like every aspect of life , constuctive critsiscm is well defined with certain requirments , limitation , ettiqutte , boundries and common sense in applying criticism , first of which is that the person that offers such crtisiscm should have the skills, the knowledge and the ability and the intenion to help or improve , often with an offer of possible solutions in the subject matter.

To say that Team Melli does not have a plan , is simply ridiculous as a starter. Even when we were kids playing in the neighborhood , our coaches had plans , every football team has a plan , the fact that 11 players are on the pitch means there is plan ...............BUT plans don't always work. Are you telling me when Brazil , Spain or France lose a match it is because they don't have a plan ????

There is also this increasing trend amongst some here to KNOW what Daei (or any other coach) is saying to his players in the locker room , while sitting thousands of miles in the comfort of your sitting rooms !!
This is fantasy and fiction world , not reality. Too much hollywood or Bollywood .
It is the attributes of psychics .

So , your concern on being labled all depends on the credibity of your statements. Any claims that this team or that has no plan is simply a Child talk in the category of statements like "Mine is bigger than yours"," My father is stronger than your father".

[Payam_S]

^ Majid jan on my last post i said what do i mean by plan.
I know every coach has plan.
Some coaches send their team only with psychological plans and work more on their players's mentality than a strategic one and so on.
Daie has done fantastic job on selecting players, putting winning spirit into the team and shown good leadership but to me has failed to show some modern and plan wise football , now TM's plan hasnt worked or it doesnt have one up to you but when a plan fails coach has to change it and bring something new and this is what I havent seen in TM.

You're right that people who criticize have to have skill, knowledge and etc but the problem is we dont accept each other.
To you we have no skill and knowledge to criticize Daie and vise verse.

[maij]

Payam Jan , so now you believe that Daei HAS a plan , like every other coach. In that case , I don't understand what you support a person who says otherwise !!

Let s leave that aside. About criticism , you might have misunderstood what I said. I did not create those definitions and it is not a figment of my imagination either. You have the tools and all you need to do is a search on the web to discover for your own , what constructive criticism is all about.

As for not seeing any changes to suit your own plan or ideas , then that is a entirely separate matter. Don't you think that many fans would love to see TM play like the best teams of the world and win every game and every championship ? we do , but the reality is something else.

[Parham10]

Plan is how to get to the opponent's goal, is how you defense, how your FW possession, what is your DF system, what's supposed to be done on FK and....
Can you tell me what TM has got on these?
TM was not able to make a few pass before and now against Ecuador when we did and made some opportunities then now we're all happy.
You said before that we expect TM to play like ManUnited , i'm not sure if you remember all these games:

Iran_KSA AC 96 ( both games)
Iran_SK AC 96
Iran_Denmark 99
Iran_Germany 05
Iran_ Yugoslavia WC 98
Iran_ SK 04
and many more...
Tell me was that ManUnited played as TM or it was our own TM??
Every team improve day by day then is it a high expectation of us to see TM play like before??
We were able to make some passes and opportunities and we were all happy to dead for that, only for one half time and we claim we're the best in Asia.
Is it how TM has to be?? Win against Jordan, Qatar and...and say wow look at the stats, playing 80 mins under pressure against UAE and say we have a good team and it's not just luck and Rahmati.
Are we suppose to be excited for a 45 mins playing ok type of football against Ecuador and close our eyes and say TM is doing good?
Supporting a team is not always praising it blindly, if you love your team you have to see its weakness and criticize them, if you love your coach and you want to support him it doesnt have to be only by shire shire...
We all say that Daie is an international coach, been playing in CL, Bayern and... knows what to do, has got the latest knowledge of football but when we ask for a plan or tactic you say we dont have to expect TM to play like ManUnited.
Again i'd say TM has not shown any proper tactic and plan in its games even against Qatar, China and etc and anyone claims otherwise i'd be really glad to gain some knowledge and know what TM's plans are??
:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

[Parham10]

No. But I can see from watching the games, so you're telling me the game against Ecuador was just a coincidence that tm played so well?

Tm might have played bad against UAE but that doesnt mean they didn't have a plan. There was a lot more to it like Neko and shojaei's poor performance as they didn't have time for a rest as they arrived in Iran from spain.
Daei has plans, how did he make saipa champions?with no plan or tactic?

Its ridiculous to say Tm has no plans and the results we got are all due to luck.
you tell that to a 2 year old they laugh at you.
:bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs: :bs:


i COMPLETELY disagree, we were literally defending for 80+ mins against UAE BOTH games, against some random ecuador team we were able to put together 5 short passes(which we lost posession of in the end anyway) and you now say that TM has a plan...

Btw, I just used UAE as an example, but we play like that in every match

[Parham10]

There is a huge difference between constructive criticism and bashing.

No one is beyiond critisicm , including Daei and bigger than Daei , but like every aspect of life , constuctive critsiscm is well defined with certain requirments , limitation , ettiqutte , boundries and common sense in applying criticism , first of which is that the person that offers such crtisiscm should have the skills, the knowledge and the ability and the intenion to help or improve , often with an offer of possible solutions in the subject matter.

To say that Team Melli does not have a plan , is simply ridiculous as a starter. Even when we were kids playing in the neighborhood , our coaches had plans , every football team has a plan , the fact that 11 players are on the pitch means there is plan ...............BUT plans don't always work. Are you telling me when Brazil , Spain or France lose a match it is because they don't have a plan ????

There is also this increasing trend amongst some here to KNOW what Daei (or any other coach) is saying to his players in the locker room , while sitting thousands of miles in the comfort of your sitting rooms !!
This is fantasy and fiction world , not reality. Too much hollywood or Bollywood .
It is the attributes of psychics .

So , your concern on being labled all depends on the credibity of your statements. Any claims that this team or that has no plan is simply a Child talk in the category of statements like "Mine is bigger than yours"," My father is stronger than your father".
it's the bollywood lol;)

anyway on a serious note, we don't even need to know what he's telling them in the locker room, those guys that say they know what daei and the rest of the coaching staff tells the players is stupid.

If we're leading in the match, then daei should tell the players to go a BIT more defensive(dont want kuwait thing to happen again), and if we're losing then Daei should try to motivate the players, and put a more offensive strategy, but not so much that we'll get scored on again...

[Siavash]

There is a huge difference between constructive criticism and bashing.

No one is beyiond critisicm , including Daei and bigger than Daei , but like every aspect of life , constuctive critsiscm is well defined with certain requirments , limitation , ettiqutte , boundries and common sense in applying criticism , first of which is that the person that offers such crtisiscm should have the skills, the knowledge and the ability and the intenion to help or improve , often with an offer of possible solutions in the subject matter.

To say that Team Melli does not have a plan , is simply ridiculous as a starter. Even when we were kids playing in the neighborhood , our coaches had plans , every football team has a plan , the fact that 11 players are on the pitch means there is plan ...............BUT plans don't always work. Are you telling me when Brazil , Spain or France lose a match it is because they don't have a plan ????

There is also this increasing trend amongst some here to KNOW what Daei (or any other coach) is saying to his players in the locker room , while sitting thousands of miles in the comfort of your sitting rooms !!
This is fantasy and fiction world , not reality. Too much hollywood or Bollywood .
It is the attributes of psychics .

So , your concern on being labled all depends on the credibity of your statements. Any claims that this team or that has no plan is simply a Child talk in the category of statements like "Mine is bigger than yours"," My father is stronger than your father".

:bow: But do you think they understand Majid jan. Arguing with these people is like
CRYING ON A GRAVE THAT HAS NO BODY IN IT

[Mr Pouya]

There is a huge difference between constructive criticism and bashing.

No one is beyiond critisicm , including Daei and bigger than Daei , but like every aspect of life , constuctive critsiscm is well defined with certain requirments , limitation , ettiqutte , boundries and common sense in applying criticism , first of which is that the person that offers such crtisiscm should have the skills, the knowledge and the ability and the intenion to help or improve , often with an offer of possible solutions in the subject matter.

To say that Team Melli does not have a plan , is simply ridiculous as a starter. Even when we were kids playing in the neighborhood , our coaches had plans , every football team has a plan , the fact that 11 players are on the pitch means there is plan ...............BUT plans don't always work. Are you telling me when Brazil , Spain or France lose a match it is because they don't have a plan ????

There is also this increasing trend amongst some here to KNOW what Daei (or any other coach) is saying to his players in the locker room , while sitting thousands of miles in the comfort of your sitting rooms !!
This is fantasy and fiction world , not reality. Too much hollywood or Bollywood .
It is the attributes of psychics .

So , your concern on being labled all depends on the credibity of your statements. Any claims that this team or that has no plan is simply a Child talk in the category of statements like "Mine is bigger than yours"," My father is stronger than your father".
as you claimed before about the fluent football and i disagreed but then u claimed its not constructive criticism and your implying it was bashing and u have to be qualified and old enough to be able to give constructive criticism..... i honestly dont understand you!! so me saying that TM doesnt play fluent football means im a basher!!! even a 10 yr old kid would be able to see we dont play fluent football and dont have any proper tactics!

[Siavash]

lol

[Babak agha]

The stats were from a month ago, if you read the date of when the thread was opened.
Also Iran had two draws in first round under Daei, I don't know where you got your information from that Daei was coaching Team Melli in our first match against Syria?
These are the updated stats:
Matches Played: 18
Won: 12
Drew: 4
Lost: 2
Goals scored: 31
Goals conceeded: 11

Oh well I saw at the end that the stats were updated on 24th of dec. and assumed they really were updated.. no probs.

[kaz]

I agree with Pouya.
Whenever we wanna criticize Daie and TM we'd be labeled as basher , TM hater or felani hater bahmani lover.
People post anything they want about Nikbakht's late night parties, Qotbi's wife or girlfriend but when we say TM doesnt have plan then....

This is similar to what was happening about 2 years back when Branko was in charge. Incoincidentally, it's the same people.

On this site, Daei and criticism seems to be an oxymoron. You can't criticise the guy without being a basher. I actually support him being in charge in these circumstances but you can tell that I am far from happy with the way the team is.

The irony is the ones who are trying to defend him do so, mostly, without proper intelligible argument and resort to ad hominem attacks - questioning people's patriotism, etc.

[shayan20]

This is similar to what was happening about 2 years back when Branko was in charge. Incoincidentally, it's the same people.
On this site, Daei and criticism seems to be an oxymoron. You can't criticise the guy without being a basher. I actually support him being in charge in these circumstances but you can tell that I am far from happy with the way the team is.
The irony is the ones who are trying to defend him do so, mostly, without proper intelligible argument and resort to ad hominem attacks - questioning people's patriotism, etc.
So you're telling me the results Daei got with this young fresh team, being 2nd in the world cup qualifying is not a "proper intelligible argument" to defend Daei as TM coach??!!
would you be happy if we beat Brazil?:rolleyes:

mate, wake up to reality. This is as far as Daei can perform with this team. He is improving day by day.

[Siavash]

So you're telling me the results Daei got with this young fresh team, being 2nd in the world cup qualifying is not a "proper intelligible argument" to defend Daei as TM coach??!!
would you be happy if we beat Brazil?:rolleyes:
mate, wake up to reality. This is as far as Daei can perform with this team. He is improving day by day.

Thanks Shayan jan.

[tashakor]

Mahdavikia: Iran can beat Korea and Saudi Arabia

http://www.goal.com/en/news/1649/wcq-asia/2008/12/28/1030553/mahdavikia-iran-can-beat-korea-and-saudi-arabia

[The-Red]

I don't get the part where we are improving "day by day"...i must have missed that!

[Payam_S]

Here is a constructive criticize ( if you guys accept) by a skillful and knowledgeable expert:

نسخه چاپي ارسال به دوستان
در گفت و گو با فارس
چراغپور: تيم ملي نبايد ويتريني براي كسب شهرت باشد

خبرگزاري فارس: كارشناس فوتبال گفت: رفت و آمدهاي مداوم در تيم ملي باعث مي شود تا تيم ملي به ويتريني براي كسب شهرت تبديل شود.

جلال چراغپور در گفت و گو با خبرنگار فارس، درباره روند آماده سازي تيم ملي در ماه هاي اخير اظهار داشت: در تيم ملي روندي كه قابل گفتن باشد وجود ندارد. تركيب تيم ملي از زماني كه دايي هدايت آن را بر عهده گرفته است ثابت نبوده و مدام در حال تغيير است.
وي افزود: براي بعضي از بازيكنان اين حضور گهگاهي در تيم ملي به كسب شهرت تبديل شده است تا مبلغ قرارداد خود را بالا ببرند. حتي حضور همان بازيكنان ثابت هم ضابطه اي ندارد.
مربي سابق تيم ملي ادامه داد: هنوز ساختار بازي تيم ملي تغيير نكرده است. در پست هايي كه ايراد داشتيم همچنان مشكلات پابرجاست. هنوز هم در دفاع مركز با مشكل پوشش روبرو هستيم.
چراغپور با اشاره به خط حمله تيم ملي گفت: در خط حمله در هر بازي دوستانه يك زوج داريم. معني بازي تداركاتي يعني انسجام يافتن تيم براي مسابقات رسمي. در اردويي كه لژيونرها نيستند برگزاري آن چه فايده اي مي تواند داشته باشد.
وي تصريح كرد: به صرف اين كه قرار است به همه نيروهاي خوب ليگ بهاد داده شود كه نمي توان در هر بازي تداركاتي بازيكنان جديد را دعوت كرد. مثل اين مي ماند كه يك وعده غذا را به 100 نفر بدهند.
چراغپور خاطر نشان كرد: شمار بازيكناني كه به تيم ملي دعوت مي شوند عجيب است و دليل فني آن روشن نيست. در انتخاب حريفان تداركاتي هم دقت نداريم. با كره بازي داريم اما با چين كه هنوز نتوانسته اين ورزش را درك كند بازي دوستانه برگزار مي كنيم.

[kaz]

So you're telling me the results Daei got with this young fresh team, being 2nd in the world cup qualifying is not a "proper intelligible argument" to defend Daei as TM coach??!!
would you be happy if we beat Brazil?:rolleyes:
mate, wake up to reality. This is as far as Daei can perform with this team. He is improving day by day.

Hmm...sounds just like Branko fans indeed. "2nd in world cup qualifying" "we tied with Croatia". Failing to see the bigger picture.

I hope Daei improves, don't get me wrong. But let's not kid ourselves either. Losing/being outplayed by a team that technically doesn't exist...hmm. A team that has played 4 matches in the last 4 years. 14 in the last 80+ years. Okay, Mr. Intelligible.

[yashar_fasihnia]

Here is a constructive criticize ( if you guys accept) by a skillful and knowledgeable expert:

نسخه چاپي ارسال به دوستان
در گفت و گو با فارس
چراغپور: تيم ملي نبايد ويتريني براي كسب شهرت باشد

خبرگزاري فارس: كارشناس فوتبال گفت: رفت و آمدهاي مداوم در تيم ملي باعث مي شود تا تيم ملي به ويتريني براي كسب شهرت تبديل شود.

جلال چراغپور در گفت و گو با خبرنگار فارس، درباره روند آماده سازي تيم ملي در ماه هاي اخير اظهار داشت: در تيم ملي روندي كه قابل گفتن باشد وجود ندارد. تركيب تيم ملي از زماني كه دايي هدايت آن را بر عهده گرفته است ثابت نبوده و مدام در حال تغيير است.
وي افزود: براي بعضي از بازيكنان اين حضور گهگاهي در تيم ملي به كسب شهرت تبديل شده است تا مبلغ قرارداد خود را بالا ببرند. حتي حضور همان بازيكنان ثابت هم ضابطه اي ندارد.
مربي سابق تيم ملي ادامه داد: هنوز ساختار بازي تيم ملي تغيير نكرده است. در پست هايي كه ايراد داشتيم همچنان مشكلات پابرجاست. هنوز هم در دفاع مركز با مشكل پوشش روبرو هستيم.
چراغپور با اشاره به خط حمله تيم ملي گفت: در خط حمله در هر بازي دوستانه يك زوج داريم. معني بازي تداركاتي يعني انسجام يافتن تيم براي مسابقات رسمي. در اردويي كه لژيونرها نيستند برگزاري آن چه فايده اي مي تواند داشته باشد.
وي تصريح كرد: به صرف اين كه قرار است به همه نيروهاي خوب ليگ بهاد داده شود كه نمي توان در هر بازي تداركاتي بازيكنان جديد را دعوت كرد. مثل اين مي ماند كه يك وعده غذا را به 100 نفر بدهند.
چراغپور خاطر نشان كرد: شمار بازيكناني كه به تيم ملي دعوت مي شوند عجيب است و دليل فني آن روشن نيست. در انتخاب حريفان تداركاتي هم دقت نداريم. با كره بازي داريم اما با چين كه هنوز نتوانسته اين ورزش را درك كند بازي دوستانه برگزار مي كنيم.

not that daei is far from being criticized, but i wouldnt take cheraghpour seriously cos from the very first day itself, all he has been doing is passing negative comments about daei...

i did rather read the comments from more balanced experts like haj rezaei for example...

[BehzadB]

You can't criticise the guy without being a basher.

Sadly, that is true for some members here. any criticism of Daie is reason enough to call the 'poster' a basher/hater..etc etc...

[rugsnotbombs]

So you're telling me the results Daei got with this young fresh team, being 2nd in the world cup qualifying is not a "proper intelligible argument" to defend Daei as TM coach??!!
would you be happy if we beat Brazil?:rolleyes:
mate, wake up to reality. This is as far as Daei can perform with this team. He is improving day by day.

lol...thank you. these people cry about being labeled bashers, but what they really are, are impatient. they ***** and moan and speak from "the city on the hill" as if we are the ones who don't get it. This is Iran we're talking about, a team that has never advanced passed the first round of the world cup, if we get trigger happy about every coach and player we will never get anywhere. honestly the problem with our football and fans are these people who whine and whine and whine......lord knows how they would act if they were korean or japanese, two teams which went much further in the world cup than we ever have......

someone should teach them about “Heinz 57” and what comes to those who wait