This is why Daei was important to Saipa

[Siavash]

Hosaini our TM defender speaks out against the Saipa's German coach and how this coach is out of touch with Saipa players. Jalal, parses Daei for being in freindly term with the players and always listen to their problems. Another words players were able to talk to Daei (daedo del kardan) and as a result that helped Saipa signeficantly. For those who do not like Daei, apparently Saipa players who know Daei think otherwise. I hope Saipa Officials listen to players like Jalal and find a decent coach for Saipa soon. Any suggestions? I wounder if Estili is a good choice.
دوشنبه 15 مهر 1387

سيد جلال حسينى: شرايط سايپا خوب نيست
تهران IranSport.Net - سيد جلال حسينى مدافع تيم فوتبال سايپا گفت: بازيكنان، فصل گذشته با على دايى رفيق بودند اما نمى توانيم به سرمربى خارجى حرف دلمان را بزنيم. وى همچنين اظهار داشت: شرايط سايپا خوب نيست اما به عنوان بازيكن نمى توانم در اين مورد اظهار نظر كنم. مسئوليت فنى تيم بر عهده سرمربى است و بايد پاسخگوى ناكامى باشد. مدافع سايپا در خصوص دريافت ۱۳ گل در ۳ مسابقه، گفت: در ديدار با كروفچى كه ۵ گل خورديم، در پست هافبك به ميدان آمدم اما در ديدار با ذوب آهن كه ۶ گل دريافت كرديم، مدافع بودم. كارى از من بر نمى آمد زيرا ۳ گل را روى اشتباهات فردى دريافت كرديم. وقتى هم تيم نمى تواند توپ را دفع كند، از دست من چه كارى ساخته است؟ وى افزود: در مسابقه با ذوب آهن فقط با ۳ نفر دفاع مى كرديم؛ در حاليكه يك تيم بايد ۱۱ نفره در دفاع شركت كند. اگر بازى را ببينيد، بسيارى از مسائل را متوجه مى شويد. حسينى در پاسخ به اينكه چرا تيم قهرمان فصل گذشته در انتهاى جدول قرار دارد، عنوان كرد: فصل گذشته على دايى سرمربى بود و بازيكنان با او رفيق بودند. آنها حرف دل و مشكلاتشان را به سرمربى مى گفتند اما با اين مربى خارجى نمى توانيم صحبت كنيم و حرف دلمان را بزنيم. مدافع تيم ملى ادامه داد: وقتى ليتبارسكى در بازى با كروفچى از من در پست هافبك استفاده مى كند، چه چيزى مى توانم به او بگويم اما دايى مشكلات بازيكنان را درك مى كرد.

[The-Red]

I too wish that he had stayed in Saipa and not taken over TM at such an age and in such manner. Actually most Iranian football fans do. Saipa would have benefited as well. :cool:

[Siavash]

^ I hope TM players feel the same way with Daei as Saipa players did. I guss we will know that in coming months.

[G0happy]

Big Sam Allardyce should take the job as manager! :D

[Siavash]

^ that would be something, but Saipa can not afford him.

[G0happy]

^ that would be something, but Saipa can not afford him.
Yer I know. Iran would never put that kind of money for managers like him or players from good leagues

[Nokhodi]

One of the positives of Daei is that with the players he invites and has on his teams he backs them 100% and never allows anyone to say anything bad about them.

[shayan20]

german coaches are no use. saipa should learn.

[tashakor]

Saipa need a better coach, but let's see if Littbarksy (w.e his name is) can improve, after all he's been coach only for a few weeks!

[Siavash]

One of the positives of Daei is that with the players he invites and has on his teams he backs them 100% and never allows anyone to say anything bad about them.

And that is the sign of a good coach, because this way he initiates mutual respect.

[Siavash]

Saipa need a better coach, but let's see if Littbarksy (w.e his name is) can improve, after all he's been coach only for a few weeks!

I doubt that he will get better. It seems things are getting worse. However, I hope things change and change soon.

[maniei]

wait a minute, did I get this one correctly?

jalal hosseini goes to the press and talks against his coach? :nono:

he definitely deserves to get banned for that (or he would deserve)
and the accusation is total bs as well. of course he cant talk to the coach, because of the language barrier; thats the problem with foreign coaches.


this news is fake of course. doesnt take a genious to find that out.

the story sounds fishy from beginning to the end.

[G0happy]

wait a minute, did I get this one correctly?
jalal hosseini goes to the press and talks against his coach? :nono:
he definitely deserves to get banned for that (or he would deserve)
and the accusation is total bs as well. of course he cant talk to the coach, because of the language barrier; thats the problem with foreign coaches.
this news is fake of course. doesnt take a genious to find that out.
the story sounds fishy from beginning to the end.
Exactly! :bow:
I highly agree with u.

[Agha Kasra]

German coaches are coaches who bring discipline. Iranian coaches are "ye ghol do ghol" in terms of discipline. And guess what, your team achieves nothing without discipline.

[G0happy]

German coaches are coaches who bring discipline. Iranian coaches are "ye ghol do ghol" in terms of discipline. And guess what, your team achieves nothing without discipline.
Well I believe Daei achieved a lot at Saipa, discipline and good football and his coaching with TM so far has shown his tactics/strategies which are in fact working

[Agha Kasra]

Well I believe Daei achieved a lot at Saipa, discipline and good football and his coaching with TM so far has shown his tactics/strategies which are in fact working
He became champions with the team he didn't build. but the year after he became 12th or something. I don't call that an achievement.
And about TM I have strongly other views than you. I don't see any so called tactics from him at TM.

[Payam_S]

If this interview is real it's nothing but buttering Daie's @$$ by hosseini.
Mutual relationship between coaches and players are important but not the reason of bad performance.
I just wish that our player whould've looked at professional football professionally then these kind of comments never come out.

[Arashi_Washi]

german coaches are no use. saipa should learn.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: This is extremely funny because then Sepahan needs to learn.

Engin Firat is GERMAN..

And please, before you say he is Turkish, mind you, the guy speaks, German, he even said he is German while he was Daei's assistant if i recall correctly...He has allways wanted German translators etc..

Since the time he has been in Iran, he has not spoken 1 word of Turkish.

German coaches are good...
But maybe the fact that Littbarski was shit....is true...
I liked him while he was in Sydney, but then he went off to a terrible coaching period in Japan. and now Iran.

Maybe Mehdy was right about him.

[Martin-Reza]

Very low class and unprofessional to bash the coach in the press.

[G0happy]

Very low class and unprofessional to bash the coach in the press.
These days the public and critics bash and criticize the coaches, but I have never heard a player actually say something about his own coach. Thats y its hard for me to believe this!

[shayan20]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: This is extremely funny because then Sepahan needs to learn.

Engin Firat is GERMAN..

And please, before you say he is Turkish, mind you, the guy speaks, German, he even said he is German while he was Daei's assistant if i recall correctly...He has allways wanted German translators etc..

Since the time he has been in Iran, he has not spoken 1 word of Turkish.

German coaches are good...
But maybe the fact that Littbarski was shit....is true...
I liked him while he was in Sydney, but then he went off to a terrible coaching period in Japan. and now Iran.

Maybe Mehdy was right about him.
I know Firat is german/turkish. that's why i say german coaches suck:) (at least the ones we have in ipl).
When Luka and Viera were in charge of Sepahan, we played beautiful football and got decent result. But with Firat, so far i haven't seen one beautiful game, results are all 0-0 or low scoring and as a fan you can't really trust and think ur team wins because he uses too much crossing.:o
I guess it's still too early to judge him and even litbarski, we got to wait a bit longer.

[Martin-Reza]

These days the public and critics bash and criticize the coaches, but I have never heard a player actually say something about his own coach. Thats y its hard for me to believe this!

I agree, I also have my doubts Hosseini said this.

[Adesor Vafaseya]

And I am upset with Hosseini, typical Iranian style, going to media and speaking against their coach.
TRY TO LEARN SOMETHING from the man, and not criticise him just because YOU players are not there yet (or don't want to be there) to improve your football....

...just my two cents!

[purple_haze]

If true it kinda goes hand in hand with Jalal's recent performances both in club and TM.

[Doctor DOOM]

I too wish that he had stayed in Saipa and not taken over TM at such an age and in such manner. Actually most Iranian football fans do. Saipa would have benefited as well. :cool:

:D :D

[Siavash]

German coaches are coaches who bring discipline. Iranian coaches are "ye ghol do ghol" in terms of discipline. And guess what, your team achieves nothing without discipline.

Daei inserted discipline at Saipa and was working. I guss the language barrier is the problem.


Well I believe Daei achieved a lot at Saipa, discipline and good football and his coaching with TM so far has shown his tactics/strategies which are in fact working

Agree


Very low class and unprofessional to bash the coach in the press.

Jalal must feel miserable to go this far.


I agree, I also have my doubts Hosseini said this.
We know every thing Jalal said is true.


And I am upset with Hosseini, typical Iranian style, going to media and speaking against their coach.
TRY TO LEARN SOMETHING from the man, and not criticise him just because YOU players are not there yet (or don't want to be there) to improve your football....
...just my two cents!

You are right. I think things are realy bad at Saipa for Jalal to talk like this.

[BehzadB]

I don't trust the source. But even if the news were true, Jalali is wrong and unprofessional for talking like that about his coach. Good or bad, he is the coach and a player has no business talking like that about his coach, even if he is right

and LOL at the title.. Daie was their coach last year AND what did they do? where did they finish? Besides, Daie's importance wasn't that he was a good listener..


Saipa started going down midway through the season two years ago (the year the ended up winning the title.).. their downward ride started from then and it hasn't stopped yet..

Litbarski's signing was a bad decision.

[darvish_gorgali]

He became champions with the team he didn't build. but the year after he became 12th or something. I don't call that an achievement.
And about TM I have strongly other views than you. I don't see any so called tactics from him at TM.


some people argue that the amount of time which has been given to Libarski is not suffiicient (rmr,he's been a head coach for three months now and I know this is not enough but you have to see an improvement which i don't see at all). On the other hand, you're saying Daei had a team which he didn't build..again,lorant had the team for only couple months. So,I'll give credit to Daei not Lorant

I remember Mayeli kohan was saipa's head coach at one time and through out the whole season he had one victory. So, they fired him and taghavi took over and won three games in a row . Based on your logic, we should give mayeli kohan credit not taghavi?

[darvish_gorgali]

kasra here is the stat again just to show you it does not matter who the headcoach was before

Mayeli kohan az head coach: 23 games 14 pt, so he got fired and taghavi took over and under his supervision, they played the remaining 3 games and got 7 points. I guess we shoud give Mayelikohan a credit for building a great team..LOLright?

[kaz]

some people argue that the amount of time which has been given to Libarski is not suffiicient (rmr,he's been a head coach for three months now and I know this is not enough but you have to see an improvement which i don't see at all). On the other hand, you're saying Daei had a team which he didn't build..again,lorant had the team for only couple months. So,I'll give credit to Daei not Lorant
I remember Mayeli kohan was saipa's head coach at one time and through out the whole season he had one victory. So, they fired him and taghavi took over and won three games in a row . Based on your logic, we should give mayeli kohan credit not taghavi?

But you're wrong to bring up Lorent. He is a non-factor. Before Lorent (who was barely there) was Dr. Zolfagharnasab. He had Saipa the year before Daei and made them title contenders (they finished 3rd) and were 1st many times throughout that year. When Daei took over they were at the height of their powers.

Anyway, Hosseini has done a pretty poor act IMO. You just do not criticise your coach publicly. The whole Saipa squad has been in disarray this season and it has largely stemmed from indiscipline where Littbarski has been forced to punish players. By Littbarski's own words Daei, even now, has too much say in what Saipa does and it should be now upto him.

On a lighter note, I see Siavash has picked up where Ala left off. Posting articles to propagate for his lord and saviour, Ali Daei.

[Agha Kasra]

some people argue that the amount of time which has been given to Libarski is not suffiicient (rmr,he's been a head coach for three months now and I know this is not enough but you have to see an improvement which i don't see at all). On the other hand, you're saying Daei had a team which he didn't build..again,lorant had the team for only couple months. So,I'll give credit to Daei not Lorant

I remember Mayeli kohan was saipa's head coach at one time and through out the whole season he had one victory. So, they fired him and taghavi took over and won three games in a row . Based on your logic, we should give mayeli kohan credit not taghavi?
But Daei had a WINNING team. saipa was already winning, at the point daei took over. Saipa was in the top 3 (dont know about 1st, 2nd or 3rd).

Khob you tell me. what did Daei do with the team he built? what happened in the 2nd season?

Edit: Kaz pointed out some of my points as well...

[darvish_gorgali]

But you're wrong to bring up Lorent. He is a non-factor. Before Lorent (who was barely there) was Dr. Zolfagharnasab. He had Saipa the year before Daei and made them title contenders (they finished 3rd) and were 1st many times throughout that year. When Daei took over they were at the height of their powers.

Anyway, Hosseini has done a pretty poor act IMO. You just do not criticise your coach publicly. The whole Saipa squad has been in disarray this season and it has largely stemmed from indiscipline where Littbarski has been forced to punish players. By Littbarski's own words Daei, even now, has too much say in what Saipa does and it should be now upto him.

On a lighter note, I see Siavash has picked up where Ala left off. Posting articles to propagate for his lord and saviour, Ali Daei.


basically you're saying lorant did not do anything either right? that's my point. taghavi was before zolfagharnasab and he started using young palyers and gave them playing time to get more experience. And zolfagharnasab used that squad and did well.

[ARYA :)]

If these words were actually from Hoseini’s mouth, I'd say that I wouldn't blame him one bit. It's true that German coaches require more disciple from their footballers, and typically are a better alternative to an Iranian coach. But as the Farsi saying goes, German coach daarim ta German coach, and Litbarsky is not a coach worthy of the IPL, German or not. He has done nothing worthwhile thus far to impress, whether at Saipa or elsewhere. As a matter of fact, since he took over at Saipa FC, the team, which boasts some very good talents at IPL standards, has underperformed in every match, and looks to be getting worst by the day. I see no sign of the German style disciplined football that people are talking about here.

Some keep saying that the coach has only been at the helm a few weeks and should be allowed more time, while others keep placing the blame on individual footballers or even the entire team. Well it's been 3 months since Litbarsky took over, surely by now one should be able to see some signs of improvement and disciplined football. Let’s face it, under Litbarsky Saipa have played some of the worst football I’ve ever seen, and the results are a testament to the bad coaching.

Saipa has shown extremely poor performances in both the offensive and the defensive fronts. If I'm not mistaking, their goal difference margin is 3 for and 13 against. Including an embarrassing 5-1 thumping at the hands of Kuroyvchi, not to mention the latest 6-3 loss at the hands of Zob Ahan. This speaks loads of bad coaching principles. If Saipa had only narrowly lost it's matches, only then one could argue that they were unlucky, or that this or that player has been underperforming, but this is not the case. Numerous loses by multiple goals can only mean one thing, bad coaching.

Hosaini is a very gheyrati and proud footballer and of course he should voice his concerns when he sees the team is deteriorating fast. I would do the same exact thing if I were he. He is in training and sees exactly what's going on behind closed doors. He sees what we do not see and if he does not say anything when he knows that a problem exists, then he also becomes part of the problem himself.

Kudos to Hoseini. My two cents.

[Masoud_A]

This interview proves my theory on Saipa players losing badly to throw the coach out, they have been whining on the press about his hard trainings and strictness and how they cant stand it; now Im pretty sure these lazy asses are the reason why Saipa wont get the results not the coach.

[Kaveh]

Very low class and unprofessional to bash the coach in the press.
well said, not expected from a player like him.

[Kaveh]

This interview proves my theory on Saipa players losing badly to throw the coach out, they have been whining on the press about his hard trainings and strictness and how they cant stand it; now Im pretty sure these lazy asses are the reason why Saipa wont get the results not the coach.
that could well be the case to some extent, although it's difficult to judge, but these things have happened in the Iranian teams in past(e.g. Tomislav Ivic 1998)

[ARYA :)]

^^ Yet another conspiracy theory. Yes you are right, a German coach with little to no experience and no true accomplishments is obviously doing all the right things and is the perfect man for the job, but the 20 some odd footballers that he is coaching are at fault for the team doing poorly. They are purposely loosing their matches so that the blame could be placed on the coach so that they don’t have to train so hard. So I'd say lets get rid of these sorry excuses for football players and replace the entire roster with more professional footballers for the benefit of this coach, cause it's just impossible that Litbarsky’s coaching could have anything to do with the miserable status of the Saipa FC football team right now.

Do you actually hear and believe what you are suggesting?

[Masoud_A]

^^ Yet another conspiracy theory. Yes you are right, a German coach with little to no experience and no true accomplishments is obviously doing all the right things and is the perfect man for the job, but the 20 some odd footballers that he is coaching are at fault for the team doing poorly. They are purposely loosing their matches so that the blame could be placed on the coach so that they don’t have to train so hard. So I'd say lets get rid of these sorry excuses for football players and replace the entire roster with more professional footballers for the benefit of this coach, cause it's just impossible that Litbarsky’s coaching could have anything to do with the miserable status of the Saipa FC football team right now.

Do you actually hear and believe what you are suggesting?
Well, this post just shows how little you follow Iranian football and have limited knowledge of it.

[darvish_gorgali]

This interview proves my theory on Saipa players losing badly to throw the coach out, they have been whining on the press about his hard trainings and strictness and how they cant stand it; now Im pretty sure these lazy asses are the reason why Saipa wont get the results not the coach.

Now that I saw this interview and also Sadeghi's interview, I do think that this is the case but again it's hard to accept it as a fact

[Siavash]

But you're wrong to bring up Lorent. He is a non-factor. Before Lorent (who was barely there) was Dr. Zolfagharnasab. He had Saipa the year before Daei and made them title contenders (they finished 3rd) and were 1st many times throughout that year. When Daei took over they were at the height of their powers.

Anyway, Hosseini has done a pretty poor act IMO. You just do not criticise your coach publicly. The whole Saipa squad has been in disarray this season and it has largely stemmed from indiscipline where Littbarski has been forced to punish players. By Littbarski's own words Daei, even now, has too much say in what Saipa does and it should be now upto him.

On a lighter note, I see Siavash has picked up where Ala left off. Posting articles to propagate for his lord and saviour, Ali Daei.

When are you going to grew up, and have a mature conversation. I hope the mods take this into consideration.

[kaz]

When are you going to grew up, and have a mature conversation. I hope the mods take this into consideration.

When you stop lying and posting news to propagate, as well as stop insulting players/coaches, I will have a "mature" conversation with you. I tend to have "mature" conversations with those that have the capacity to reciprocate.

[kaz]

basically you're saying lorant did not do anything either right? that's my point. taghavi was before zolfagharnasab and he started using young palyers and gave them playing time to get more experience. And zolfagharnasab used that squad and did well.

Taghavi barely coached the side and Dr. Z took over the team in 2004 and only starting having real success in 2006. Taghavi's effect is nil.

Same with Lorent. However, to claim that Daei's success wasn't started in large part because of Dr. Z would be to lie. Lorent, yes, not much effect. Dr. Z, yes, a lot of it.

So to say Saipa's success was all down to Daei is hogwash...but the thread starter would have you believe it as a fact.

[ARYA :)]

Well, this post just shows how little you follow Iranian football and have limited knowledge of it.

It seems you’re big on theories. First, it’s your theory that the Saipa FC footballers are conspiring against the coach, and now you theorize that I know very little about Iranian football. Just curious how came to that very astute conclusion from what I’ve written here. Please provide valid explanations, not theories.

You’ve taken all of 30 seconds to reply to my message, and you have concluded from my two posts in this thread that I know not Iranian football. Would you be so kind as to enlighten us who are so ignorant when it comes to Iranian football.

Of course you're entitled to your own opinions (theories), but just because you actually believe what you're feeding us does not make them facts.

[Siavash]

But you're wrong to bring up Lorent. He is a non-factor. Before Lorent (who was barely there) was Dr. Zolfagharnasab. He had Saipa the year before Daei and made them title contenders (they finished 3rd) and were 1st many times throughout that year. When Daei took over they were at the height of their powers.
Anyway, Hosseini has done a pretty poor act IMO. You just do not criticise your coach publicly. The whole Saipa squad has been in disarray this season and it has largely stemmed from indiscipline where Littbarski has been forced to punish players. By Littbarski's own words Daei, even now, has too much say in what Saipa does and it should be now upto him.
On a lighter note, I see Siavash has picked up where Ala left off. Posting articles to propagate for his lord and saviour, Ali Daei.
Also they say when you hate someone is because you see yourself in that person. Your hate for Ala indicates that you see yourself as Ala.. lol.

When you stop lying and posting news to propagate, as well as stop insulting players/coaches, I will have a "mature" conversation with you. I tend to have "mature" conversations with those that have the capacity to reciprocate.
I am telling you, you need to grew up and mature, before coming here and accuse people of lying, just because you hate Daei and love to serve Ghotbi.

some people argue that the amount of time which has been given to Libarski is not suffiicient (rmr,he's been a head coach for three months now and I know this is not enough but you have to see an improvement which i don't see at all). On the other hand, you're saying Daei had a team which he didn't build..again,lorant had the team for only couple months. So,I'll give credit to Daei not Lorant
I remember Mayeli kohan was saipa's head coach at one time and through out the whole season he had one victory. So, they fired him and taghavi took over and won three games in a row . Based on your logic, we should give mayeli kohan credit not taghavi?
Daei was the man for Saipa. He left and players feel his empty space.

You are just as good as the number of vots you get:rofl:

[Doctor DOOM]

On a lighter note, I see Siavash has picked up where Ala left off. Posting articles to propagate for his lord and saviour, Ali Daei.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[darvish_gorgali]

Daei was the man for Saipa. He left and players feel his empty space.


That's what I think as well

[kaz]

Also they say when you hate someone is because you see yourself in that person. Your hate for Ala indicates that you see yourself as Ala.. lol.

Hate Ala? I do not feel that way about anyone here. Do I look down on Ala? Yes, like I do to you. I pity simple-mindedness, I do not hate it.


I am telling you, you need to grew up and mature, before coming here and accuse people of lying, just because you hate Daei and love to serve Ghotbi.

When you see me opening up threads to tout whatever "love" I have for Ghotbi, then you and I will be on the same level. Or when you grow up, discuss things intelligently and impartially we will also be on the same level. Until then, you are not someone that commands, nay deserves respect.


Daei was the man for Saipa. He left and players feel his empty space.

They must have missed him last year too when they came 11th with him there.

[BehzadB]

kaz jan, beekhial baba.. hoseleh dareey vala

[sorkh]

How would a German coach do what Littbarski did in the ACL ? He destroyed Saipa. Daie at least would not use Hosseini in midfield.

[shayan_esteghlali]

saipa should hire me as Player/Coach then they will win every game except for the games against esteghlal which we will lose!

[Siavash]

Hate Ala? I do not feel that way about anyone here. Do I look down on Ala? Yes, like I do to you. I pity simple-mindedness, I do not hate it.
When you see me opening up threads to tout whatever "love" I have for Ghotbi, then you and I will be on the same level. Or when you grow up, discuss things intelligently and impartially we will also be on the same level. Until then, you are not someone that commands, nay deserves respect.
They must have missed him last year too when they came 11th with him there.
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[kaz]

kaz jan, beekhial baba.. hoseleh dareey vala

You are right Behzad jan. I should stick to people who are worth my time.

[Siavash]

I know Firat is german/turkish. that's why i say german coaches suck:) (at least the ones we have in ipl).
When Luka and Viera were in charge of Sepahan, we played beautiful football and got decent result. But with Firat, so far i haven't seen one beautiful game, results are all 0-0 or low scoring and as a fan you can't really trust and think ur team wins because he uses too much crossing.:o
I guess it's still too early to judge him and even litbarski, we got to wait a bit longer.

I agree with you Shayan jan, Both Sepahan and Saipa not playing as good as they did last season. At least Firat is getting results and as you say things may change for better. But, with this guy litbraski thing are getteing worse. I am woundering how long he will survive.

[Siavash]

You are right Behzad jan. I should stick to people who are worth my time.

Good for you, just do that.

[G0happy]

That's what I think as well
I agree, but clubs have new managers all the time, unless the do a Fergie :bow:
But they have to get use to this, its professional football, once u have a new coach, tactics and strategies always change.