Ignorant chatter regarding Kia, Hash and Karimi

[Hashemian9]

I've been hearing a lot of ignorant chatter in regards to Kia, Hash and Karimi lately on the boards saying they should never be invited back to Team Melli, that they are old, and past their prime and we should focus on developing young talent.

here is my take, you should invite every player who is talented enough to help your team and then let things play out in training camp as to who starts etc..., no one is suggesting that that trio is handed starting spots right out of the gate. the best player should always play.

as far as them being old and past their prime, they are all in their early 30's, and might not be able to be 100% effective the whole game through, but that's not to say that they couldn't be valuable for 60-70 minutes or as super subs.

and then to the point of developing young talent, yes i agree its important and i'm glad that Iran has so many talented young players, but every team needs a balance of young and old, you want young guys for energy and explosiveness, bravado, and daring, but you want the older players to be there for experience, maturity, and leadership. It helps young players in any sport to have a seasoned vet playing next to them that they can look to and know he's not going to let the team down. Kia, Hash and Karimi all have a rich history in international football, and all are still talented players, and their experience in not only playing but beating teams like S. Korea etc... is invaluable to the younger players who are still trying to get a feel for the game, i think this especially applies to Hash as having a tried and tested go to striker is always important because you need to know you have someone to rely on to be able to put the ball in the net when you're down 1-0 in the 80th minute, not a young guy you hope comes through.

Development is a great thing, but the goal is to win, you have to treat each year as a seperate entity, you cant say, 'lets develop all these guys now so that in 2014 when they are all in their late 20's they'll be ready to go' because right now the only goal should be shocking the world in 2010 and winning the World Cup. I think Daei undertands this and you'll start to see these guys trickle in, Kia will come first, then Hash, and then finally (hopefully) Karimi. with those three vets plus Nekounam and Zandi on the pitch alongside our young talent, we have a very imposing squad, and a squad that with the right draw in South Africa could make it out of the group stage, and then anything can happen.

so please, think about these things when you start calling for this trio of legionnaires to stay away for good.

[soheil86]

someone said ismail mattar is living off the best player of tourny in the youth wc
well guess what! kia and hashemian are living off their names! kia has been injured half the season and he is just not that fast,tiny,speedy kia,he is too slow these days and he isnt half impressive as a younger version of him masoud zarei

[Karimi 8]

i agree with u Hashemian9

[IranSoccer#8]

someone said ismail mattar is living off the best player of tourny in the youth wc
well guess what! kia and hashemian are living off their names! kia has been injured half the season and he is just not that fast,tiny,speedy kia,he is too slow these days and he isnt half impressive as a younger version of him masoud zarei

haha i said that about matar, and its true. hashemian still has it, watch, when comes and saves our asses i bet you will be like, oooo hashmian, khlay man dooset daram.

[Martin-Reza]

someone said ismail mattar is living off the best player of tourny in the youth wc
well guess what! kia and hashemian are living off their names! kia has been injured half the season and he is just not that fast,tiny,speedy kia,he is too slow these days and he isnt half impressive as a younger version of him masoud zarei

Sorry, but Zarei isn't half the player an injured Mahdavikia is. And Zarei also already is 26 and only got his starting position at PP because Sheyz was suspended.

I can assure you Zarei will never have a single national team cap.

[sahandkarimi]

do you guys think Hashemian, Karimi and Kia will all come to every single training camp, and friendly match and then they won't expect a starting position ? we all saw what INJURED Karimi did in WC when he was subbed out ..

yes I agree that we need experience next to young talent but players like Karimi think they have a reserved starting spot if they are invited and that won't help TM !!

[pajamNL]

do you guys think Hashemian, Karimi and Kia will all come to every single training camp, and friendly match and then they won't expect a starting position ? we all saw what INJURED Karimi did in WC when he was subbed out ..
yes I agree that we need experience next to young talent but players like Karimi think they have a reserved starting spot if they are invited and that won't help TM !!

2nd that!:bow:

[Bocksie]

do you guys think Hashemian, Karimi and Kia will all come to every single training camp, and friendly match and then they won't expect a starting position ? we all saw what INJURED Karimi did in WC when he was subbed out ..
yes I agree that we need experience next to young talent but players like Karimi think they have a reserved starting spot if they are invited and that won't help TM !!
Ahh people in England said the same thing about Beckham and he comes back and still helps them. Our leggionnares are the same way. You just havent seen them play in a while and thing "Oh theyre no good"

[soheil86]

Sorry, but Zarei isn't half the player an injured Mahdavikia is. And Zarei also already is 26 and only got his starting position at PP because Sheyz was suspended.
I can assure you Zarei will never have a single national team cap.
my friend,even gholamnejad is better than an injured kia,it doesnt matter how old he is,20,25,30,33..right now we have to use the best players we have and kia,hash are not the best players,at least not to start by any chances.just go to the kia thread and look at that juventus video,you saw what kia did? he cant do that now,why? because he is not at his best anymore! and you just stated that you rather have names such as kia,hash than players in form and that are at their best

[Hashemian9]

what i think is happening here, is people are getting confused about players being no longer in their prime and being ineffective.

Kia, Hash and Karimi have had injury problems and yes, are past their prime, no doubt about it, but that doesn't mean they are ineffective.

look at other sports in which players past their prime have guided teams to victory, Brett Favre comes to mind, as does Michael Strahan, Steve Nash is another example, Just because you cant do what you could when you were 25 doesn't mean your washed up.

[soheil86]

what i think is happening here, is people are getting confused about players being no longer in their prime and being ineffective.
Kia, Hash and Karimi have had injury problems and yes, are past their prime, no doubt about it, but that doesn't mean they are ineffective.
look at other sports in which players past their prime have guided teams to victory, Brett Favre comes to mind, as does Michael Strahan, Steve Nash is another example, Just because you cant do what you could when you were 25 doesn't mean your washed up.
football is different,some can keep on playing at their best till 36-37 but some cant!

[Siavash]

Ahh people in England said the same thing about Beckham and he comes back and still helps them. Our leggionnares are the same way. You just havent seen them play in a while and thing "Oh theyre no good"

And England could not qualify for the Euro 2008 finals.

[Siavash]

1) Kia is a great player with deadly corsses, But he is getting slower with age and injuries. So, I say if he is fit he will make a great sub for TM or even starter. Daei should invite Mehdi and test him in friendlies.

2) Hash has better chance among the three players and should be invited and be tested in friendlies.

3) After what Karimi did in the WC he should have been kicked out of TM at that time. TM with Daei is no longer a sure thing for Karimi. I leave it to Daei to make a decision on Karimi. This one is a tough one.

[Colonel Boris]

It isn't just about how good the individual players are, it's also a matter of the team dynamics. If egos get in the way and disrupt the team, it does far more damage than not inviting the best individual. Iran 98 did not have that many foreign players, but they played as a team and with a lot of heart. In contrast, Iran 2006 had plenty of stars but failed as a team.

As to age, don't forget that the World Cup is in 2 year's time.

This isn't to say inviting them would be good or bad, but simply that there are other factors at play.

[Siavash]

^ great point

[The-Red]

Karimi, Hashemian and Kia are STILL key players for TM and we need them for the next round. It's not hard to see how the current team lacks the necessary experience. if Daie is smart enough he sees that and I am pretty sure that he will and will invite all three, assuming they are not injured and are playing regular football in their clubs and training fulltime.

[OFFSIDE_1]

the only player that is a must on the roster is Hashemian. Karimi's days are over and his presence in the training camp will be more negative than positive. The team needs to move on, and now that we have 4 midfielders in Nekounam, Shojaei and Ando and Jabbari that are in their prime, we do not need Karimi's distraction on the team

[Siavash]

^ well siad

[Arashi_Washi]

I hope to see Vahid Hashemian back in Team Melli.

Dont Worry about the rest

We need Hashemian, And he will be a positive & a great addition to our squad..I hope Hashemian is included in the Spain Camp and in the coming Friendly's

[zzgloo]

Early thirty in Germany, is like late twenties in Iran.....
The Kia and Hashemian are in far better shape than say Sadeghi ,or Enayati.

[persian boy]

I agree with Arashi_Washi, I am looking for Hashemian to be back. We need him at forward.

[Bizhan]

Daei should talk to them directly and frankly, and see if there is a real possibility that they can work together. So far he hasn't done so. Maybe he lacks the guts ...


do you guys think Hashemian, Karimi and Kia will all come to every single training camp, and friendly match and then they won't expect a starting position ? we all saw what INJURED Karimi did in WC when he was subbed out ..
yes I agree that we need experience next to young talent but players like Karimi think they have a reserved starting spot if they are invited and that won't help TM !!

[futbol>>>IRAN]

The Italians have proved that a player can perform effectively for a team depending on the condition the body and how well they take care of themselves for e.g training, diet and exercise. Most importantly is the tactics employed by the management to utilize experience and get the best out of the players until the end.

Look at the three biggest clubs in Italy Milan , Juve and Inter and their squads.

Juve: Del Piero 35, Nedved 36, Grygera, Salihamizic
Milan: Maldini, Cafu, Dida 36, Kalac 35, Nesta 32, Inzaghi 36, Ambrosini, Seedorf, Jankulovski, Simic
Inter: Figo, Julio Cesar, Zanetti, Vieira, Cordoba, Samuel

Compared to some of the ages of these players Kia, Hash and Karimi are young.

AC Milan won the champions league with one of the oldest squads in the world and played some of the best football with that team.

Some of the best performing players at the euro have been players which are in their prime such as Ballack , Klose, Del Piero etc.

Now I am not comparing these players to ours but I truly believe that we can benefit from having our experienced legionnaire's in our team, especially Kia and Hash.