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Ali Chicago

10-02-2008, 12:33 PM

Interesting Statistics about SS PP head to head games. They played 64 times so far. As you can see SS has won 20time vs. PP only won 16 times and rest has been tie games.

/ شهرآور پايتخت/ جدال سرخ و آبي از نگاه آمار
تيم هاي استقلال و پرسپوليس تهران روز جمعه هفته جاري شصت و پنجمين ديدار َسنتي پايتخت را برابر يکديگر برگزار خواهند کرد.

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در گزارش زير عملکرد دو تيم در شصت و چهار بازي گذشته مورد بررسي قرار گرفته است.
* در شصت و چهار ديدار گذشته تيم هاي استقلال و پرسپوليس 75 بازيکن دو تيم موفق به گل زدن شدند که سهم تيم استقلال 35 نفر و سهم تيم پرسپوليس 40 بازيکن است.
* در تيم استقلال "علي جباري" و "غلامحسين مظلومي" هر کدام با 5 گل، "عباس مژدهي" 4 گل، "حسن روشن"، "صمد مرفاوي" و "صادق ورمزيار" هر کدام با 3 گل به ترتيب در صدر گلزنان اين باشگاه قرار دارند.
در تيم پرسپوليس تهران نيز "صفر ايرانپاک" با 7 گل، "حسين کلاني" 6 گل، "همايون بهزادي" و "مهدي هاشمي نسب" هر کدام با 4 گل و "فرشاد پيوس" با 3 گل ، گلزنان برتر پرسپوليس به تيم استقلال محسوب مي شوند.
* "غلامرضا فتح آبادي"، "شاهرخ بياني" و "مهدي هاشمي نسب" از بازيکناني هستند که در هر دو تيم بازي کرده و موفق به گل زني شدند.
* فتح آبادي 2 گل به پرسپوليس و يک گل به استقلال، بياني 2 گل به استقلال و يک گل به پرسپوليس و مهدي هاشمي نسب وقتي در تيم پرسپوليس بود 4 گل به استقلال زد و زماني که عضو تيم استقلال بود يک گل براي اين تيم به ثمر رساند.
* ميانگين گل هاي زده استقلال در 64 شهرآورد گذشته يک و 88 صدم درصد و ميانگين گل هاي تيم پرسپوليس در اين مدت يک و شش دهم براي هر بازيکن گل زننده است.
* تيم هاي استقلال و پرسپوليس از فروردين ماه سال 1347 که اولين ديدار خود را برگزار کردند تا به حال در مجموع 64 بار مقابل يکديگر صف آرايي کردند که در مجموع تيم استقلال در 20 بازي و پرسپوليس 16 ديدار برنده شدند و 28 بازي نيز با نتيجه تساوي خاتمه يافته است.
* در 28 ديداري که با نتيجه تساوي به پايان رسيده است ،* 13 ديدار يعني 43/46 درصد با نتيجه تساوي بدون گل، 50 درصد ديدارها (14 بازي) با نتيجه تساوي يک بر يک و در 57/3 درصد (يک بازي) با تساوي 2 بر 2 خاتمه يافته است.
* پر گل ترين ديدار اين دو تيم، شهرآورد 16 شهريور 1352 است که با نتيجه شش بر صفر به سود تيم پرسپوليس بود.
* از 64 ديدار گذشته ، 68/3 درصد آنان يعني ديدارهاي چهارم، ششم و سي و هشتم نا تمام ماند که با راي فدراسيون فوتبال، تيم استقلال با نتيجه سه بر صفر به پيروزي رسيد.
* 130 گل در شصت و چهار ديدار بين تيم هاي استقلال و پرسپوليس رد و بدل شد که سهم استقلال با 66 گل برابر با 77/50 درصد و سهم پرسپوليس با 64 گل يعني 23/49 درصد است.
* ميانگين گل در هر ديدار براي استقلال 03/1درصد و براي پرسپوليس يک گل است.
* تفاضل گل اين دو تيم در ديدارهاي گذشته مثبت دو به سود استقلال است.
* فقط در ديدار سي ام از 64 ديدار گذشته تيم هاي استقلال و پرسپوليس که در روز 19 اسفند سال 1367 برگزار شد، ضربات پنالتي تعيين کننده تيم پيروز ميدان بود که پرسپوليس با نتيجه 4 بر 2 استقلال را تسليم کرد.
* از نظر سرعت در زدن گل، تيم استقلال رکورد دار است. "علي سامره" در ديدار پنجاه و سوم در دقيقه اول بازي، "رضا عادل خاني" و "داود سيد عباسي" به ترتيب در شهرآورد هاي يازدهم و پنجاه و ششم در دقيقه سوم و "اميد روانخواه" در دقيقه چهارم آخرين ديدار دو تيم، براي استقلال تهران گل زندند.
"حسين کلاني" در دقيقه دوم ديدار ششم براي پرسپوليس گل به ثمر رساند.
* تيم پرسپوليس تهران از نظر گل زدن در دقايق پاياني بازي رکورددار اين ديدارها است. "صفر ايرانپاک" در ديدار هفتم، "حسين کلاني" در ديدار هشتم و "همايون بهزادي" در شهرآورد دوازدهم در دقيقه 90 بازي براي تيم پرسپوليس گل زني داشتند.
از اين نظر "پيروز قرباني" در دقيقه 2+90 در ديدار پنجاه و هشتم براي استقلال گل به ثمر رساند.
* تيم استقلال تهران در شهرآورد چهل و دوم در روز 27 مهر ماه سال 1375 تا ديدار چهل و نهم در نهم ديماه 1379 در هشت ديدار متوالي موفق به شکست پرسپوليس نشد.
* سه ديدار گذشته اين تيم ها نيز با نتيجه مشابه يک بر يک به پايان رسيد.

Amin_

10-02-2008, 12:52 PM

I don't think it is serios and he will play.
Khodaro Shokr, but I must say that I don't want any unfit players. In the derbies everyone has to be 100% fit and ready to go.

About the head to heads: Why interesting? We knew this all the time, it's been the Perspolisis that have been on a denial road all this time ;)

At least we have somthing to back our "Sarvar" claims with :cheerblu:

Edit - I know some PP fans will come here complaining about the 3-0 losses they had been handed after they rushed the pitch. They're behind, rush on the field, force the refree to stop the match, and then whine when they're been given a loss :rolleyes:

The-Red

10-02-2008, 01:17 PM

yea, i heard it too. apparently, the guys were debating how many to score against u guys and who all to be the scorers. everyone was voting for the great alizadeh to score on a bicycle kick while talebloo scoring from a goal kick got second place, but then aliabadi and ahmadinejad who are both perspolisis called and interfered from above saying, we know u guys are too good for them and gonna kill them on friday, so take it easy on them..... :whatta:
lol but as you know it was about the fans cursing at the players and getting physical with the players and GN had to stop training for about an hour to get the polic110 to calm things down...lol vaghaen ke..

I think Ghorbani will score one tomorrow. Interesting to watch Koushki Tore Battle. Anyone knows if this DiKarmo guy (new Brazilian PP signed) is really good? How does he do in the practices?

Ali jan, you probably talking about an own goal, right? ;)

btw, that 20-16 stat as you know includes 3 times were IFF voted in SS's favor after games were incomplete.:D

The-Red

10-02-2008, 01:21 PM

here's what I am talking about ;)

پرسپولیس در زمین کارنامه بهتری دارد استقلال روی کاغذ!
61 گل پرسپولیس – 57 گل استقلال
* مسعود پاشنا

جمعه دوازدهم مهرماه سال 1387در چارچوب رقابتهای لیگ برتر، شصت و پنجمین دربی پایتخت بین دو تیم پرسپولیس و استقلال برگزار می‎شود و استقلال ظاهراً در تعداد برد بهتر از پرسپولیس است.

به گزارش سایت رسمی باشگاه پرسپولیس، با نگاهی کوتاه به تاریخ بازیهای این دو تیم در می یابیم ‎

حق سرخپوشان چندین بار ضایع شده است.

با هم نگاهی داریم به چند مورد از این موارد:

* دربی چهارم در سال 1348 برگزار شد و طی آن آبی پوشان یک بر صفر تا دقیقه 82 از پرسپولیس پیش بودند. بازی در حالی رو به پایان بود که در این دقیقه، محمود خوردبین با یک ضربه زیبا بازی را به تساوی کشاند ولی در کمال تعجب همگان، داور این دیدار «حاج‎ابوالحسن»، گل بازیکن پرسپولیس را خطا اعلام کرد! این تصمیم موجب تعجب همگان قرار گرفت و تیم پرسپولیس که حق خود را ضایع شده می‎دید، زمین بازی را ترک کرد تا فدراسیون فوتبال وقت، حکم به برتری 3 بر صفر به سود آبی پوشان بدهد!

* در دربی پنجم در سال 1349 در یک دیدار تدارکاتی، عباس مژده‎ای بازیکن تعویضی استقلال دوباره به زمین بازی آمد و گل برتری این تیم را به ثمر رساند!

* در دربی ششم در سال 1349 تیم پرسپولیس با گل کلانی یک بر صفر از آبی پوشان پیش افتاده بود که در دقیقه 75 یک خطای کاملاً اشتباه از سوی «ارشد برازنده» داور آن دیدار اعلام شد که همان ضربه منجر به گل تساوی این تیم گردید و اعتراض سرخپوشان به جایی نرسید و قضاوت یک طرفه ادامه داشت تا اینکه در دقیقه 80 مصدومیت شدید شاهرخی بازیکن پرسپولیس باعث شد بازیکنان سرخپوش که دیگر توان بی‎عدالتی بیشتر را نداشتند از دقیقه 80 زمین بازی را ترک کردند که همچون دربی چهارم، فدراسیون فوتبال وقت، رأی به برتری 3 بر صفر به سود آبی پوشان داد!

* در سال 1358 در دربی بیست و دوم در دیداری دوستانه تیم استقلال یک بر صفر از پرسپولیس پیش بود که باز هم قضاوت ناعادلانه «هروس باقومیان» داور آن دیدار در دقیقه 75 موجب نیمه تمام ماندن بازی شد و در حالی که این بازی در چارچوب دیدارهای تدارکاتی انجام می‎شد، نیمه تمام ماند و آبی دوستان این دیدار را یک برد برای خود محسوب می‎کنند!

درحالی که بازی تدارکاتی و نیمه کاره درهمه جای دنیا در آمار کلی محاسبه نمی‎شود در دربی سی و دوم در سال 1369 تیم استقلال با دو گل کاملاً آفساید به برتری دو بر یک رسیدند تا یک پیروزی مشکوک دیگر به نام حریف ثبت شود!

در دربی سی و هفتم در سال 1371 ضربه مجتبی محرمی در دقیقه 80 به دست مدافع استقلال برخورد کرد و در حالی که همگان اعتقاد به ضربه پنالتی داشتند و حتی مدافع خطاکار استقلال اعتقاد به ضربه پنالتی داشت اما آقای «اخوان» داور آن دیدار، نظر دیگری داشت و دستور به ادامه بازی داد!

* در دربی سی و هشتم در سال 1373 باز هم اشتباه داوری، پیروزی مسلم را از سرخپوشان گرفت و در حالی که سرخپوشان تا دقایق پایانی دو بر صفر نسبت به حریف برتری داشتند با اعلام یک ضربه پنالتی به سود حریف و اخراج دو بازیکن پرسپولیس یعنی شاهرودی و محرمی موجب خشم تماشاگران پرسپولیس شد تا این دیدار نیز نیمه تمام بماند و فدراسیون بار دیگر رأی به برتری 3 بر صفر استقلال داد!

* در دربی پنجاه و نهم در سال 1384 فرزاد مجیدی بازیکن استقلال در موقعیت آفساید صاحب توپ شد و با سانتر خود موجب گلزنی عنایتی مهاجم استقلال شد تا گل برتری حریف در حالت کاملاً مشکوک به ثمر برسد!

البته از این موارد زیاد است و در آینده به آن اشاره می‎کنیم. به هر حال هواداران پرشمار پرسپولیس همواره به این مسائل آگاه هستند و به همین خاطر اکثریت تماشاگران کشورمان را طرفداران پر نشاط پرسپولیس تشکیل می‎دهند و در مجموع استقلال تنها روی کاغذ کارنامه بهتری نسبت به پرسپولیس دارد که آن هم قرمزپوشان در زمین بازی جواب استقلال را می‎دهند.

جالب اینکه پرسپولیس 61 بار در دربی گلزنی کرد و استقلال57بار!!!

Ali Chicago

10-02-2008, 02:06 PM

...Ali jan, you probably talking about an own goal, right? ;)
btw, that 20-16 stat as you know includes 3 times were IFF voted in SS's favor after games were incomplete.:D

Even with that and give you all the three games, it makes us 17-16 Armin Jaan.

I was a 6 year old kid in one of the PP and SS games that was unfinished. It was the game that Arshad Barazandeh was the Ref. PP team left the game and didnt' come back to the field, PP players protested against a ref call ( I don't recall the details) but that much I am sure. It was in Amjadeeyeh, I still can picture the game.

So it is not like all three disputed games was PP wins. Even with that, SS is still 17-16 ahead.

Don't forget Sky is Blue Armin Jaan.:D

Ali Chicago

10-02-2008, 02:12 PM

SS fans I am really disappointed where the heck are you before the big game? Where is the enthusiasm?
I am going to kick some of the SS fans butt for being so Beehal before the Derby. Do you call yourselves SS fan and not a iota of enthusiasm before the big game? People in Iran come from the far corners of Iran to Tehran to watch the game, we at least can post a few post in the SS fan thread.

A kick ass butt kicking of "Bee Hal" ss fans will be in order after the big Derby,:D better do something about it until there is time.:rolleyes: :nono:

yashar_fasihnia

10-02-2008, 02:15 PM

seriously, who is this guy armin jan and which agency does he work for??
he seems like a hardcore perspolisi who is trying to blame all the losses on referee mistakes.

see, if it was during shah days when esteghall was given some preferences, then i can understand like the first 2 3 examples he has given. but the rest, i cant accept it because he thinks the referee shouldnt have sent off 2 perspolis players or the hand ball was a penalty or farzad majidi was 100% offisde, etc....
and how he generalizes it by saying "hamegan motaghed budan penalty bood, hamegan didan offside bood, folan bahman". its as if the whole world disagrees with those referee decisions :rolleyes:

if at all, there were referee mistakes, it has been for all teams and against all teams as well. that too, if all that he is saying is correct in the first place and if the whole world saw the games the same way he did and the referee was the only one who thought differently :rolleyes:

Amin_

10-02-2008, 02:16 PM

SS fans I am really disappointed where the heck are you before the big game? Where is the enthusiasm?
I am going to kick some of the SS fans butt for being so Beehal before the Derby. Do you call yourselves SS fan and not a iota of enthusiasm before the big game? People in Iran come from the far corners of Iran to Tehran to watch the game, we at least can post a few post in the SS fan thread.
A kick ass butt kicking of "Bee Hal" ss fans will be in order after the big Derby,:D better do something about it until there is time.:rolleyes: :nono:
Ali jaan, unlike PP fans who are bikar, we, SS fans, are hard working people, so can't be as active as them :D :o

Ali Chicago

10-02-2008, 02:26 PM

here's what I am talking about ;)
پرسپولیس در زمین کارنامه بهتری دارد استقلال روی کاغذ!
61 گل پرسپولیس – 57 گل استقلال
* مسعود پاشنا
جمعه دوازدهم مهرماه سال 1387در چارچوب رقابتهای لیگ برتر، شصت و پنجمین دربی پایتخت بین دو تیم پرسپولیس و استقلال برگزار می‎شود و استقلال ظاهراً در تعداد برد بهتر از پرسپولیس است.
به گزارش سایت رسمی باشگاه پرسپولیس، با نگاهی کوتاه به تاریخ بازیهای این دو تیم در می یابیم ‎
حق سرخپوشان چندین بار ضایع شده است.
با هم نگاهی داریم به چند مورد از این موارد:
* دربی چهارم در سال 1348 برگزار شد و طی آن آبی پوشان یک بر صفر تا دقیقه 82 از پرسپولیس پیش بودند. بازی در حالی رو به پایان بود که در این دقیقه، محمود خوردبین با یک ضربه زیبا بازی را به تساوی کشاند ولی در کمال تعجب همگان، داور این دیدار «حاج‎ابوالحسن»، گل بازیکن پرسپولیس را خطا اعلام کرد! این تصمیم موجب تعجب همگان قرار گرفت و تیم پرسپولیس که حق خود را ضایع شده می‎دید، زمین بازی را ترک کرد تا فدراسیون فوتبال وقت، حکم به برتری 3 بر صفر به سود آبی پوشان بدهد!
* در دربی پنجم در سال 1349 در یک دیدار تدارکاتی، عباس مژده‎ای بازیکن تعویضی استقلال دوباره به زمین بازی آمد و گل برتری این تیم را به ثمر رساند!
* در دربی ششم در سال 1349 تیم پرسپولیس با گل کلانی یک بر صفر از آبی پوشان پیش افتاده بود که در دقیقه 75 یک خطای کاملاً اشتباه از سوی «ارشد برازنده» داور آن دیدار اعلام شد که همان ضربه منجر به گل تساوی این تیم گردید و اعتراض سرخپوشان به جایی نرسید و قضاوت یک طرفه ادامه داشت تا اینکه در دقیقه 80 مصدومیت شدید شاهرخی بازیکن پرسپولیس باعث شد بازیکنان سرخپوش که دیگر توان بی‎عدالتی بیشتر را نداشتند از دقیقه 80 زمین بازی را ترک کردند که همچون دربی چهارم، فدراسیون فوتبال وقت، رأی به برتری 3 بر صفر به سود آبی پوشان داد!
* در سال 1358 در دربی بیست و دوم در دیداری دوستانه تیم استقلال یک بر صفر از پرسپولیس پیش بود که باز هم قضاوت ناعادلانه «هروس باقومیان» داور آن دیدار در دقیقه 75 موجب نیمه تمام ماندن بازی شد و در حالی که این بازی در چارچوب دیدارهای تدارکاتی انجام می‎شد، نیمه تمام ماند و آبی دوستان این دیدار را یک برد برای خود محسوب می‎کنند!
درحالی که بازی تدارکاتی و نیمه کاره درهمه جای دنیا در آمار کلی محاسبه نمی‎شود در دربی سی و دوم در سال 1369 تیم استقلال با دو گل کاملاً آفساید به برتری دو بر یک رسیدند تا یک پیروزی مشکوک دیگر به نام حریف ثبت شود!
در دربی سی و هفتم در سال 1371 ضربه مجتبی محرمی در دقیقه 80 به دست مدافع استقلال برخورد کرد و در حالی که همگان اعتقاد به ضربه پنالتی داشتند و حتی مدافع خطاکار استقلال اعتقاد به ضربه پنالتی داشت اما آقای «اخوان» داور آن دیدار، نظر دیگری داشت و دستور به ادامه بازی داد!
* در دربی سی و هشتم در سال 1373 باز هم اشتباه داوری، پیروزی مسلم را از سرخپوشان گرفت و در حالی که سرخپوشان تا دقایق پایانی دو بر صفر نسبت به حریف برتری داشتند با اعلام یک ضربه پنالتی به سود حریف و اخراج دو بازیکن پرسپولیس یعنی شاهرودی و محرمی موجب خشم تماشاگران پرسپولیس شد تا این دیدار نیز نیمه تمام بماند و فدراسیون بار دیگر رأی به برتری 3 بر صفر استقلال داد!
* در دربی پنجاه و نهم در سال 1384 فرزاد مجیدی بازیکن استقلال در موقعیت آفساید صاحب توپ شد و با سانتر خود موجب گلزنی عنایتی مهاجم استقلال شد تا گل برتری حریف در حالت کاملاً مشکوک به ثمر برسد!
البته از این موارد زیاد است و در آینده به آن اشاره می‎کنیم. به هر حال هواداران پرشمار پرسپولیس همواره به این مسائل آگاه هستند و به همین خاطر اکثریت تماشاگران کشورمان را طرفداران پر نشاط پرسپولیس تشکیل می‎دهند و در مجموع استقلال تنها روی کاغذ کارنامه بهتری نسبت به پرسپولیس دارد که آن هم قرمزپوشان در زمین بازی جواب استقلال را می‎دهند.
جالب اینکه پرسپولیس 61 بار در دربی گلزنی کرد و استقلال57بار!!!

Funny how you post a piece of news that is written by someone who definilty is biased against SS. I posted simply stats without any angle, that speak for themselves Armin Jaan.

Ali Chicago

10-02-2008, 02:28 PM

Ali jaan, unlike PP fans who are bikar, we, SS fans, are hard working people, so can't be as active as them :D :o

NO matter how busy, before the big game, SS fans thread should be all active. I expect the same from players being the best and same from fans, fair enough? ;)

Ali Chicago

10-02-2008, 02:34 PM

Khuzestan's (Ahwaz) Red Blue Derby was won by the Blues. Sigs of things to come? Good Omen? Abeeyeteh.
SS Ahwaz (BLUE) 1 - Foolad Khuzestan 0

Amin_

10-02-2008, 02:43 PM

NO matter how busy, before the big game, SS fans thread should be all active. I expect the same from players being the best and same from fans, fair enough? ;)
Ok, but am I still able to go to my gf in 5 minutes, or should I screw her and stay here until the game starts? :o

The-Red

10-02-2008, 02:49 PM

Ali jan I just posted what I had read...but you faild to mentioned that 3 of the games where incomplete, so in a way you were also bias :D

anyways, I think ss fans don't sound so excited 'cause they know this is a lost cause and no need to even perhaps follow the game tomorrow as the mighty REDs will walk over their beloved Blues, but don't worry blue fans, there will always be future games where you can find your form and perhaps get a point here and there. ;)

Agha Kasra

10-02-2008, 02:53 PM

The-Red

10-02-2008, 02:56 PM

Agha Kasra

10-02-2008, 02:58 PM

The-Red

10-02-2008, 03:00 PM

jokesh maleh fardast...chon ma akharesh mikhandim,,shomaha,,,well, khodet miduni...ziad haleh joke'o moke nakhahid dasht :D

Mr Pouya

10-02-2008, 03:19 PM

tune into shabake khabar now for ss training and interviews

Ali Chicago

10-02-2008, 04:18 PM

Ok, but am I still able to go to my gf in 5 minutes, or should I screw her and stay here until the game starts? :o

Amin Jaan;

What the heck, broadcast the nasty act on your webcam!!!:D only to SS fans threads, so we get all these horny SS fans to the thread. See bro, what we have to do for out beloved SS. Essentially pimping for the blue!!!!:D

Ali Chicago

10-02-2008, 04:22 PM

^ lol ok, I gave you the warning,,,nagin nagofti.... ;)
hala che ma khab, che shomaha bidar, farda natijeh maleh Ghermezast..bala berin, paeen biaen, Perspolis farda zadeh,,,ziad nemizanim, vali mibarim, endeh kalam :D

Too bad we don't have a zahrdar forward line, Otherwise, with the current PP defense (being like Oonjaye Layle gal va goshad), SS would have given PP a memorable lesson. With this Borhani kid you never know, maybe he puts in one of those one on ones.

Kidding aside, watching the battle in the midfield Jabbari Janvario against Mazira Zare, Noori/Bagheri and Khosro Haydari vs. Petrovitch and one the Baykzadeh/Maniyee, Amirabadi against Karimi/Mohamad/zari from PP is the battle I am dying to watch.

The-Red

10-02-2008, 04:40 PM

Ali jan 4 ss players that worry me are Jaun vario, Jabbari, in-form Borhani and an in-form talebloo. If these 4 don't have a good day, SS better hope for a draw at best.

Ali Chicago

10-02-2008, 04:43 PM

Ali jan 4 ss players that worry me are Jaun vario, Jabbari, in-form Borhani and an in-form talebloo. If these 4 don't have a good day, SS better hope for a draw at best.

If GN doesn't play 3-6-1 and play Abbasfard, then the crosses from Baykzadeh or Khosro Haydari (combined with poor coming out of the goal of Vaezi) can be PP's Achilis heal. Specially the big space between the shiri and Mohamad/Zareyye and central PP defenders. We will see. Actually Talebloo is one of the guys I am really worried about. He tend to be a very good against PKs but otherwise doesn't do well in big games. We will see.

IranJavidan

10-02-2008, 08:37 PM

Armin Khan, I have to give it to you for your courage to come in the Esteghlal thread and speak as you wish :rolleyes:.

I'll add to the above that you tend to show some key characteristics of true wise Esteghlalis; so I strongly suggest that you seriously consider researching your roots... you never know mate, somewhere down the line, your memory might have been reset like in the Men In Black movie. So afterwards, you were perhaps watching a perspolis game, and assumed that the red ones are your team. Not knowing subconsciously, that you were in fact genuinely an Estaghlali before those changes took place, and turned you into a perspolisi by accident. That is the only explanation that comes to my mind for your courageous behavior, otherwise I would never allow a perspolisi to walk in here and talk about Esteghlal like that ;).

I hope that one day, you find your way back. That day, will be the day that you can once again experience the euphoria of cheering for the best team in Asia...:)

Amin_

10-02-2008, 10:17 PM

It's 4:15 am, and I can't sleep because of the big match tomorrow.
Even while I was "with my gf (;))" I was thinking about the derby tomorrow.

My Blue brothers, don't let us down!! :bow: :cheerblu:

Anyway, whatever happens tomorrow, it's still Esteghlal for life!!!! :cheerblu:

persian boy

10-02-2008, 10:20 PM

^ hahahahaha :bow:

Ali Chicago

10-02-2008, 11:50 PM

It's 4:15 am, and I can't sleep because of the big match tomorrow.
Even while I was "with my gf (;))" I was thinking about the derby tomorrow.
My Blue brothers, don't let us down!! :bow: :cheerblu:
Anyway, whatever happens tomorrow, it's still Esteghlal for life!!!! :cheerblu:

Hope you didn't call her Borhani or Jabbari at that criticial!!! moment, did you? :rofl:

Amin_

10-02-2008, 11:55 PM

Hope you didn't call her Borhani or Jabbari at that criticial!!! moment, did you? :rofl:
No I cald her Enayati and she was indulted :o

Ali Chicago

10-02-2008, 11:57 PM

No I cald her Enayati and she was indulted :o

Dude you need to get your head checked. Couldn't you think of someone fuglier (Fugly = ****ing ugly)!!! lol Enayat's face at that moment kills the mood for sure!!!:rofl:

Ali Chicago

10-02-2008, 11:58 PM

Who do you guys think will be the best player on SS side. I pick Khosro Haydari and Janvario. What do you guys think?

Amin_

10-03-2008, 12:00 AM

Ok time to sleep now, it's 6 am. The match starts in 7:30 hours :khak:

See you in 6 hours guys :cheerblu:

yashar_fasihnia

10-03-2008, 12:37 AM

If GN doesn't play 3-6-1 and play Abbasfard, then the crosses from Baykzadeh or Khosro Haydari (combined with poor coming out of the goal of Vaezi) can be PP's Achilis heal. Specially the big space between the shiri and Mohamad/Zareyye and central PP defenders. We will see. Actually Talebloo is one of the guys I am really worried about. He tend to be a very good against PKs but otherwise doesn't do well in big games. We will see.

talebloo has always been great during the derbies, mashalla bezanam be takhte. he hasnt had much success with TM and sometimes let us down but it has never been in a derby and i hope it wont be today either! he is gonna be on fire today as well!!

SHIRE VAHIDE DAST TALAYI!!!

http://www.cricketdirect.co.uk/acatalog/ballistic_3000_gold_Gloves.jpg

http://saryazd.persiangig.com/image/VahidTalebloo.jpg

IranJavidan

10-03-2008, 01:03 AM

6:30 hrs.. feeling so excited!!:D

i think jabbari will be the best player, then juanario, then talebloo, then heydari, then borhani, then majidi lol :p.

yashar_fasihnia

10-03-2008, 01:07 AM

i highly doubt majidi will get play time.

with borhani scoring regularly latel, he is obviously first choice. akbarpour and abbasfard are the other 2 options at the moment, depending wat tactics ghalenoi has in mind.
so majidi is actually 4th option.
if ghalenoi decides to pull out abbasfard, he may actually play alizadeh instead and that makes majidi then 5th option.

however, if ghalenoi doesnt intend to use tall target strikers in this game, then majidi will probably be 3rd option behind borhani and akbarpour.

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i cant think who will be our best player. i have a feeling we will have none.
jabbari obviously is gonna be the main target for perspolis players to mark, so he is probably not gonan be so effective. janvario has always been good for us but never the best. hossein kazemi, if he plays, depends if its his day or not. akbari also, if he plays, is not a player to become the best of a team. he can be one of the best, but he doesnt have that edge to be better than everyone else.
khosro heydari, i fear he might be physically dominated by the big perspolis players and so, lose some of his value.
montazeri, ghorbani,koushki and talebloo are all good players but they are all error prone and in such a game, the smallest of mistakes can provide costly.
upfront, akbarpour can cause menace in the defense, but not being a goal scorer and often being selfish, he cant really become the teams best player. same for borhani, u never know whether he will score or not.

as for the rest, no way in hell they can be the best player of esteghlal, even if we play against laos and guam.

i think most of our boys will do fine. so i will say it this way, that i think only beygzadeh and abbasfard/alizadeh may not have a good game. the rest, if they are alert enough and dont make crucial mistakes, i think they can handle the game very well.

Arashi_Washi

10-03-2008, 01:10 AM

yashar_fasihnia

10-03-2008, 01:23 AM

:fear: Are you serious..
Majidi is better then all of them...
5th choice...WTF...
Jesus...
Why..

Why did Majidi get benched again anyways after his 2 BEATIFUL goals against Esteghlal Ahvaz.?

I love Majidi....
He is 1 of my favorite strikers..i rate him extremely high..

well ghalenoi had been rotating his strikers in the first few weeks of the league since none were producing anything.
then 1 game, akbarpour got suspended. so ghalenoi had to choose 2 between alizadeh, abbasfard, borhani and majidi.
i guess based on his usual rotations, he opted for abbasfard and borhani and this was the game agaisnt esteghlal ahvaz which we won 6-0. with borhani scoring 2 goals and the team in general winning 6-0, naturally, ghalenoi didnt change his lineup and played the same 2 forwards - abbasfard and borhani next game again which was basically the last game we played against rahahan. again borhani scored, but since the team was having trouble in transitions of play specially from defense to offense, ghalenoi pulled out abbasfard in the 30th minute and brought in jabbari to change the formation to 3-6-1.

once esteghlal got the result, ghalenoi introduced akbarpour and alizadeh but not majidi. majidi remained on the bench the entire game last time and again esteghlal won (although it wasnt a very convincing win).

i think borhani is definitely starting. the question is, will ghalenoi start a technically gifted, highly active hardworking striker like akbarpour next to him or a strong physical target man like abbasfard next to him.
i hope and i doubt ghalenoi will play 3-6-1. i would like him to start with 2 strikers and if we are having problems in the middle of the field again, he can always introduce changes later. 1 striker upfront, that too someone like borhani who has no aerial presence among 4 perspolis defenders and is not a perfect finisher makes it really difficult to score.

all this makes me speculate that, majidi at the moment is at best, 3rd option and at worst, 5th option, depending on how ghalenoi intends to play against perspolis. unless majidi has really been shining in the past few trainings and the others havent. ofcourse i can be wrong, im just saying wat this pattern tells me. :whatta:

Arashi_Washi

10-03-2008, 01:28 AM

well ghalenoi had been rotating his strikers in the first few weeks of the league since none were producing anything.
then 1 game, akbarpour got suspended. so ghalenoi had to choose 2 between alizadeh, abbasfard, borhani and majidi.
i guess based on his usual rotations, he opted for abbasfard and borhani and this was the game agaisnt esteghlal ahvaz which we won 6-0. with borhani scoring 2 goals and the team in general winning 6-0, naturally, ghalenoi didnt change his lineup and played the same 2 forwards - abbasfard and borhani next game again which was basically the last game we played against rahahan. again borhani scored, but since the team was having trouble in transitions of play specially from defense to offense, ghalenoi pulled out abbasfard in the 30th minute and brought in jabbari to change the formation to 3-6-1.
once esteghlal got the result, ghalenoi introduced akbarpour and alizadeh but not majidi. majidi remained on the bench the entire game last time and again esteghlal won (although it wasnt a very convincing win).
all this tells me, majidi at the moment is at best, 3rd option and at worst, 5th option, depending on how ghalenoi intends to play against perspolis.

Man how long is he going to opt for Abbasfard?
The guy sucks...

Majidi came off the bench against SS Ahvaz & and scored 2 goals.
That should of gone to show that against Rahahan he should of started with Majidi-Borhani.

But then again, I dont see why Majidi is beeing benched as he is better then Alizadeh who has to be IPL's worst striker.

Borhani, The League's biggest choker.

And Abbassfard who should be working in the Tehran Bazaar with a body that big, but useless..He has no idea how to put that body of his into use.

This rotation system i believe is not working.
Even against Rahahan the win was lucky...
No offence.

Rahahan played some fantastic soccer, and even Borhani's goal was said to be offside on Navad.

Majidi should definitely not be benched.

yashar_fasihnia

10-03-2008, 01:35 AM

well, lets see wat happens.
football is an unpredictable and sometimes unfair game. u dont have to play the best football, or have the best players or play ur best game to win.

i have 2 problems with majidi otherwise im really up for him starting.
my major problem is that he is a selfish player.
my minor problem he is a bit physically weak.

but all our other strikers have problems as well, thats why i think its best to go with a team that has been getting the results first. if things dont work out, substitutions can always be done.

Ghormeh Sabzi

10-03-2008, 01:53 AM

YEA BABY COUPLE HOURS FROM NOW WE ARE GOING TO BE ROCKING AZADI STADIUM AND DESTROY AND CRUSH THOSE LONGIES :cheerblu: :cheerblu: :cheerblu: :cheerblu: :cheerblu: :cheerblu: :cheerblu: :cheerblu: :cheerblu: :cheerblu: :cheerblu: :cheerblu: :cheerblu: :cheerblu: :cheerblu: :cheerblu:

yashar_fasihnia

10-03-2008, 02:04 AM

its 10 am in the morning here in dubai. game is 3:30pm dubai time.
i still havent slept from last night!!!

ESES CHIKARESH MIKONE????
SOORAKH SOORAKHESH MIKONE!!!!!

if u guys remember the derby a few years back pirouz 93 scored in the 93rd minute for us to beat them 3-2, tha ttime also, we were in the middle of the table and we really needed the win to come back to the top of the table and we did it!!

THIS TIME, ITS GONNA BE THE SAME AGAIN!!!
:cheerblu: :cheerblu: :cheerblu:

shayan20

10-03-2008, 02:34 AM

^dam u still haven't slept
inshalal the blue boys win so they make it worth while.:D

toofan

10-03-2008, 02:54 AM

ssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss
chikaaaaaaaaaaaresh mikioooooooooooooooooooooone??

toofan

10-03-2008, 03:01 AM

yeeeetish ya mohammad yetish ya ali

5QROoGMEGWs

Arashi_Washi

10-03-2008, 03:03 AM

yeeeetish ya mohammad yetish ya ali
5QROoGMEGWs

You can pray all you like...
Its not gonna help ya.

toofan

10-03-2008, 03:05 AM

^ya mohammad ya ali laylaylaylaylaylaya

her the song u punks..laylaylaylay

Rumi

10-03-2008, 09:29 AM

we should have finished them off

Agha Kasra

10-03-2008, 09:30 AM

You can pray all you like...
Its not gonna help ya.
baz to chakhan zadi :rofl: :D

Agha Kasra

10-03-2008, 09:31 AM

Borhanii,, baarr oooon................................ laaanat.

I swear to god, age hamin inja to boodi, sareto miboridam.... And bring the ref with you as well

shayan_esteghlali

10-03-2008, 09:42 AM

We deserved a win!!!
we played better, made more chances!!!
bohrani missed so many chances, and the ref took away two of our goals!!

Amin_

10-03-2008, 10:01 AM

I'm a bit disappointed in Qn. He should've learned from previous derbies. The minute he pulled out Akbarpour for Koushki, I knew it wasn't going to go well.

He basically gave PP a freeway on the pitch, and with the long strong head-zan players PP has, it was obvious that it was going to be very hard to defend the lead.

PP's defense is their weakest point and I believe Qn should've made use of that much more than he did. I would've brought in Majidi after the 1-0 lead, or even Akbari, but not a defender to fill up the box even more :nono: Borhani and Majidi's speed would have teared PP defense apart.

We stepped way too back in our own box after the lead...the same happened last year in both derbies. As I said, PP's midfielders and strikers are strong and head-zan, but not speedy or techniqual. Our defenders could easily pace up with them, so we should have played more from our box.

Borhani scored, but God knows what a torture I went through these 90 minutes. Can't believe the chances he missed today.
Beykzadeh disppointed, and it was logical that he got replaced bu Amir Abadi.
Kazemi was not that bad.

The foul on Borhani was a pk, like the karshenas said, but we got deprived there :o

All in all, it was a very exciting match, and perhaps I'm biased here, but considering the chances, I think SS deserved to win. With PP's slow defense and defensive midfield, it was our tactic to play counter attacks and make use of Borhani and Akbarpour's speed, so it's logical that PP got more controle over the game, specially after we took the lead and moved back to defend it.

shayan20

10-03-2008, 10:05 AM

CONGRADULATIONS SS.

I mean this. great game by the TEAM. Really deserved the 3 points. Borhani.... God just get the ball into the net, how hard is that...?
SS's own fault for defending after scoring just like Sepahan did in the last game. I reckon Majidi should have came on for Borhani at around min60.

persian boy

10-03-2008, 10:09 AM

ey borhani.... ey borhani

OsaBlue

10-03-2008, 10:14 AM

Borhani kari kard ke man 6ghulu zaidam tu bazi, but again its him self making the chances and making space to him self, there are no strikers in ipl who can create so many chances

MOhSeN Abi

10-03-2008, 10:15 AM

arent u guyz used to borhani yet??
i think he was gd to his standards

yashar_fasihnia

10-03-2008, 10:22 AM

DAMN IT!!! WHY DID GHALENOI PULL BACK FROM THE 60TH MINUTE ITSELF??
HE WANTED TO DEFEND a 1 GOAL LEAD FOR WHOLE 30 MINUTES?? WHY AMIR KHAN?? WHY??? :furious:
EVEN BRANKO NEVER DEFENDED A 1 GOAL LEAD FROM THE 60tH MINUTE!! :khak:

im furioussssssss!!!

and WAT THE F*** WERE OUR DEFENDERS DOING DURING THE GOAL SCENE?? AS SOON AS MANSOURI CROSSED THE BALL, MONTAZERI AND KOUSHKI RUN ON THE GOAL LINE LEAVING KARIMI AND TOURE ABSOLUTELY FREE AND UNMARKED INFRONT OF THE GOAL!!!
MORONS!!! WTF MAN!!!

AND FINALLY , DAMN IT BORHANI!!! WTF IS WRONG WITH U?? U CANT SCORE EVEN FROM A TAP IN INFRONT OF THE GOAL AND U LET VAEZI SAVE THE BALL FROM LESS THAN 1 METER???
U DONT SEE UR FREE TEAM MATES BUT U KICK THE BALL IN THE SKY!!!
U F***ING DONT EVEN REALIZE UR 10 METERS IN OFFSIDE!!!

AHHHH!!! WE SO HAD THE 3 POINTS IN OUR POCKET!!!!!!! ALTHOUGH I MUST SAY, PERSPOLIS DIDNT DESERVE TO LOSE...

Dariushm

10-03-2008, 10:25 AM

i think you lost due to horrible subs by GN

shayan_esteghlali

10-03-2008, 10:26 AM

^^^perspolis didnt deserve to lose but we deserved to win!!

Amin_

10-03-2008, 10:28 AM

i think you lost due to horrible subs by GN
Yeah in this match I consider a 1-1 draw as a loss as well ;)

foadm_2000

10-03-2008, 10:31 AM

^^^perspolis didnt deserve to lose but we deserved to win!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
This is the funniest post I have read in a while.

shayan_esteghlali

10-03-2008, 10:32 AM

^^u wanna rep me for it;)

yashar_fasihnia

10-03-2008, 10:33 AM

i think you lost due to horrible subs by GN

i totally agree with u.
DDEFENDING FOR 30 WHOLE MINUTES FOR 1 GOAL LEAD WHEN U DESPERATELY NEED A WIN???

W-T-F??? SERIOUSLY??!!!!

ahhh...halam beham khord.....im in such a pissed off mood right now and i havent slept since last night....asabam kharabe!!!

shayan20

10-03-2008, 10:38 AM

yashar, now I know why a while back u praised kazemi a lot. He is indeed too good. His pass to Borhani should have sealed the match.

Adesor Vafaseya

10-03-2008, 10:56 AM

OK - since Amin attacked the PP fan thread, I have to share my invasion skills too ;)

honetsly speaking, YOU guys did have the better CHANCES of the game. And also TWO wrong decisions by Al Kuwaiti (Onside opportunity of Borhani and the clear PK of him) let you guys down

BUT

hey, its football :D sorry guys ;)

Hamtoon Ghalbeh Sheer Dareen
Both Afshin and Adesor love you all ;)

yashar_fasihnia

10-03-2008, 11:00 AM

kazemi is a good DM for iranian standards.
but he hasnt been consistent lately.

also, notice, today, he was the only DM for esteghlal while perspolis had 2 DMs, zare and nouri. so the burden was much more on kazemi's shoulders, i think he did his job well.

im pleased with most of our boys, even montazeri and kouhski who totally F*cked up on the goal scene by leaving karimi and toure along and instead standing on the goal line, but overall our defense did well.
although perspolis didnt do much except cross the ball into the penalty area, which is kind of expectable since they have a physical superiority over our team.

like i had predicted, only beygzadeh didnt have a good game and no real esteghlali was man of the match. janvario and khosro heydari were a bit better than the rest maybe in my opinion.

im mostly mad at ghalenoi himself and after that borhani for missing all those chances. heyf shod, this 3 points could have brought us right into contention. now again, we have to wait for the tabel leaders to lose points and we keep winning matches :(

zzgloo

10-03-2008, 11:14 AM

Amin_

10-03-2008, 11:23 AM

I really hope we can get Enayati for the ACL. I believe with a killer like him, we eaily would've scored 2-3 goals today.

The bad thing is that we took the lead at the wrong time in the game, it was a little early (considering Qn's all defend tactic after that). It wouldn't be the case if Qn wouldn't have pulled out a striker for a defender, but since he was going to defend a narrow lead for 30 minutes, I think the goal came at the wrong moment for us.

Siavash

10-03-2008, 11:27 AM

I watched the last 20 mins, right about when Jabbari was subbed out. I said oh no you will not take your best player out in this game and at this moment. Well i was right and I am happy that GN is no longet TM coach. In the other hand Ghotbi stayed with Bagheri to the end and his golden header to Karimi was a great gift to PP fans and Ghotbi.

yashar_fasihnia

10-03-2008, 11:30 AM

Ghalenoee's plan, from the begining of the game, was to creat chances for Borhani , one on one...and had assigned the midfilders to give him " Inside " balls....although, he was called off-side too often,...but, juts after the half time reminder by Ghalenoee, Borhani corrected his sincornization with off-side balls, and consiquently , scored.....
In my opinion, Although,PP hit the bar twice, but, up to minute 60 Esteghlal had out played PP , and ghalenoee had out coached Ghotbi, with his 3-5-2 system........
I disagree with those who said ,here, PP did not deserve to lose.....
PP, did deserve to lose....., and 10 player attacking system at the last 30 minutes, and all out, all or nothing , is not what you may call a good football.....
It was ,just act of ,BIG DESPARATION, on the part of PP....as they should have lost the game....had they not risked so much out of desperation.

bahram jan, im one of thsoe people who says perspolis didnt deserve to lose, HOWEVER, THEY COULD HAVE LOST THE GAME WITH QUITE EASE FRANKLY. we kept messing up our chances which cost us big time now!

the reason i think perspolis didnt deserve to lose was because
1)we were lucky the post saved us twice.
2)i think ghalenoi went on self destruction mode after the goal, and any team or coach who wants to defend a single goal lead for 30 whole minutes is basically inviting trouble. now if we ourselves are asking for it, why shouldnt perspolis hand it to us?? ghotbi was desperate to attack but ghalenoi was desperate to defend as well. the equalizer was the resulting goal of the act of desperation by both coaches.
maybe if ghalenoi had waited for another 15 mintues and started to defend from the 75th minute, things could have been different.

that being said, i think 1-1 was a fair result, we could have won the game and had we won the game, it shouldnt have been a surprise, but we didnt :(

Amin_

10-03-2008, 11:36 AM

This team looks promising though. We had a rough beginning, but I believe in time we will improve a lot.

Qn needs to come up with a fixed 11, and stop rotating anc changing so much. Borhani, despite being a pain in the ass with the so many missed chances every match, has scored in the last 3 games, so I say start him.

Now he should make up his mind about the 2nd striker and what tactic he wants to keep using.

I hope Kazemi finds his form back (he's got a vital role in this team) and that Beykzadeh can become more consistent, then we'd have a team that could be fighting for titles.

zzgloo

10-03-2008, 11:47 AM

bahram jan, im one of thsoe people who says perspolis didnt deserve to lose, HOWEVER, THEY COULD HAVE LOST THE GAME WITH QUITE EASE FRANKLY. we kept messing up our chances which cost us big time now!

the reason i think perspolis didnt deserve to lose was because
1)we were lucky the post saved us twice.
2)i think ghalenoi went on self destruction mode after the goal, and any team or coach who wants to defend a single goal lead for 30 whole minutes is basically inviting trouble. now if we ourselves are asking for it, why shouldnt perspolis hand it to us?? ghotbi was desperate to attack but ghalenoi was desperate to defend as well. the equalizer was the resulting goal of the act of desperation by both coaches.
maybe if ghalenoi had waited for another 15 mintues and started to defend from the 75th minute, things could have been different.

that being said, i think 1-1 was a fair result, we could have won the game and had we won the game, it shouldnt have been a surprise, but we didnt :(
Yashar jaan, we both want to be fair, and not just blindly support our team, ( SS ).....
haveing said that........
1- Balls hiting the bars, are not always ,the same.....there are some times that they must have been a goal,and some times, they should have gone out......Both PP, bar hiting balls, were covered perfectly by talebloo...on Bagheri's cross, and too high Nikbakhts...both, were followed perfectly by talebloo................and I do not see them are particularly more of a chance, than those of Esteghlal,in front of PP goals !!

2-Ghalenoee did do a right thing, by defending, as that is what to be done when faceing 10 players attacking teams....the only thing he did wrong, was ,not haveing any good counter attack strategies....although, one supper counter attack chance by Borhani was tueribly missed, as he missed so many.

3-If we divide the game in two section.....before the goal and after the goal........
ON before the goal,we see, all together, SS had out played PP, and had time of possession over the PP.
On after the SS Goal, a desparation , " hardam Bill " PP game, and bad luck on SS counter attack, will not make PP " Not deserving to lose "!!!!...It may show thier good desire !,but not good play !

yashar_fasihnia

10-03-2008, 11:59 AM

Yashar jaan, we both want to be fair, and not just blindly support our team, ( SS ).....
haveing said that........
1- Balls hiting the bars, are not always ,the same.....there are some times that they must have been a goal,and some times, they should have gone out......Both PP, bar hiting balls, were covered perfectly by talebloo...on Bagheri's cross, and too high Nikbakhts...both, were followed perfectly by talebloo................and I do not see them are particularly more of a chance, than those of Esteghlal,in front of PP goals !!
2-Ghalenoee did do a right thing, by defending, as that is what to be done when faceing 10 players attacking teams....the only thing he did wrong, was ,not haveing any good counter attack strategies....although, one supper counter attack chance by Borhani was tueribly missed, as he missed so many.
3-If we divide the game in two section.....before the goal and after the goal........
ON before the goal,we see, all together, SS had out played PP, and had time of possession over the PP.
On after the SS Goal, a desparation , " hardam Bill " PP game, and bad luck on SS counter attack, will not make PP " Not deserving to lose "!!!!...It may show thier good desire !,but not good play !

actually, the way i saw it, i think talebloo wouldnt be able to save any of the 2 shots which hit the bar. im pretty sure about this, but i will watch the replays again to confirm now that u mentioned it.

however, i do agree with u, our chances were much more dangerous than theirs. their only real danger probably was the scene karimi dribbled into the penalty area but hit wide above the post.

as for ghalenoi defending, i think he should have done that in the 75th minute or so, not in the 60th minute. also notice that, when a team "mikeshe be laake defayi", naturally the opponent will start attacking with more players, even upto 10 players at the end of the game like u mentioned.

ahan, i agree with u, their play wasnt that good, specially after the goal since their main hope was karimi dribbling or some header by nikbakht or toure or bagheri. that changed when petrovic came into the game however. yes, now i agree with u, they had good desire.

IranJavidan

10-03-2008, 12:08 PM

wow.. im speechless... impressive game and many beautiful scenes, but only two goals.
I WANT TO MAKE IT CLEAR THAT ESTEGHLAL LOST TODAY TO ITSELF, AND NOT GHOTBI-BEYNOLMELALI'S PP. IF IT WEREN'T FOR THE FOOLISH MISTAKES THAT PLAYERS COMMITTED, AND GN'S WRONG JUDGMENT, VICTORY WOULD'VE BEEN ASSURED.

having said that, just a few points:

-taleblou impressed...mashalla, great goalie. overall, as yashar said, defense was also well coordinated even though shakouri was playing 4the 1st time in such a big game. gn said in the after-game interview that he brought in koushki only for him to mark karimi man2man, and he blamed bijan directly for the conceded goal.
- jabbari was subbed out because he was injured, and gn's intentions was to sub in alizadeh for juanario, but since jabbari couldn't play he sent akbari.
-i feel sorry for a huge team like esteghlal not having a gaol-scorer... if only borhani knew how to finish, i swear he could've been a world-renown, goal-scoring machine! just count how many clear attempts he had in this one game!! i know he scored, but seriously, i couldnt even refrain from foshe najoor in front of my dad becuz of him :o. in addition, like i said before the game, maybe starting majidi would've been better, and subbing borhani in in the 2nd half with his runs would've raped the PP defense with its mile-long holes and gaps. i agree with you arash, majidi is quality, and in the esteghlalahvaz game he played for 30 mins and almost pulled off a hat-trick! that tells you how much this guy is ready.. yet he gets benched for two games afterwards. so i dunno if he wasn't performing in training, or if gn is simply hard-headed?!.
- beygzadeh shouldnt have started the game, again, as pointed out, this game requires exerienced players... so it wouldve been better if manei or amirabadi started from the beginning.
- THE LAST AND MOST IMPORTANT POINT I WANNA STRESS IS A NATIONAL MATTER. UNFORTUNATELY, AS WE ALL KNOW, IRANIANS ARE TERRIBLE IN TEAM-WORK AND WORKING IN GROUPS. WE ALL WANT TO DO THINGS TO OUR OWN ACCORD, REGARDLESS OF THE CONSEQUENCES.. THIS WAS CLEARLY VISIBLE IN ESTEGHLAL'S PERFORMANCE TODAY, ESPECIALLY IN TWO SCENES. ONE WHEN BORHANI DRIBBLED BAGHERI, AND DIDN'T PASS IT TO JUANARIO WHO WAS WIDE OPEN WITH AN EMPTY-NET BECUZ VAEZI WAS OUT, AND THE SECOND WHEN YADOLLAH AKBARI PENETRATED FROM THE RIGHT AND HAD TWO OR THREE WIDE OPEN TARGETS, BUT CHOSE TO SHOOT FROM A TIGHT ANGLE! F***!!!! I mean there's stupid, and then there's just pure ignorance... how can any player in his right mind possibly prefer that shot from that angle over a simple pass???? beats me, and i can only hope that the generations of football to come in iran might slightly work on this area, which again is probably wishful thinking....:rolleyes:

this tie is a major loss in my books, we should've easily won this one :mad:

yashar_fasihnia

10-04-2008, 12:13 AM

dont know whether this is true or not:
apparently ghalenoi fired pouladi from esteghlal :o

http://www.toopnews.com/Detail.aspx?catid=468&cid=156415&iid=2608

اولين ترکش دربى پولادى از استقلال اخراج شد
با وجود اينکه استقلال مغلوب پرسپوليس نشد و کار با تساوى تمام شد اما به نظر ميرسد ترکشهاى ناشى از به تساوى کشيده شدن مسابقه در دقايق پايانى به آبيپوشان اصابت کرد و باعث اخراج يکى از بازيکنان شد.
براساس خبرهاى دريافتي، امير قلعهنويى در پايان مسابقه در حالى که خشم در چهرهاش بوضوح قابل مشاهده بود، حکم به اخراج مهرداد پولادى داد و وى را از جمع استقلاليها کنار گذاشت! اين در حالى است که پولادى اصلاً در جريان بازى ديروز دخالتى نداشت اما ظاهراً اتفاقاتى در رختکن رخ داد که باعث خشم سرمربى استقلال شد.البته با توجه به روند حاکم بر فوتبال ايران به احتمال بسيار زياد پولادى طى روزهاى آتى مشمول عفو خواهد شد و دوباره به استقلال باز ميگردد.

it says although pouladi wasnt part of teh game, apparently some stuff happened in the changing room which made ghalenoi make this decision.
however, usually such firings are often accompanied by forgivenes within the next few days.

shayan20

10-04-2008, 01:26 AM

^^
It's good to take hashiye from the team, pouladi wasn't impressive last year, so not too much to worry.

OsaBlue

10-04-2008, 12:11 PM

حسين كاظمي بازيكن تيم استقلال تهران تا اطلاع ثانوي از حضور در ميادين فوتبال محروم شد.

به گزارش خبرگزاري دانشجويان ايران (ايسنا)، در حالي كه صبح امروز كميته*ي انضباطي فدراسيون فوتبال حسين كاظمي و آرش برهاني بازيكنان تيم استقلال و عليرضا نيكبخت واحدي بازيكن تيم پرسپوليس تهران را به دليل مسائل پيش آمده در جريان بازي اين دو تيم در داربي تهران به كميته*ي انضباطي احضار كرده بود در نشست عصر امروز كميته*ي انضباطي به دليل حركات ناشايست صورت گرفته از سوي حسين كاظمي، اين بازيكن تا اطلاع ثانوي از حضور در بازي*هاي تيم استقلال تهران محروم شد.

ضمن آنكه "كاظمي" بايد براي توضيح در زمينه اتفاقات در كميته*ي انضباطي نيز حاضر شود.

But what did he do? can anybody remember?

yashar_fasihnia

10-04-2008, 12:57 PM

it says "harekate nashayest"???
i cant recall him doing anything wrong during the game, so maybe at the end of the game he did something wrong?? :whatta:

Agha Kasra

10-04-2008, 01:49 PM

Agha our football is getting ridicules... Where in the world do you see "suspended TA ETTELA'E SANAVI?"

OsaBlue

10-04-2008, 02:26 PM

پولادي به تمرينات استقلال بازگشت

بازيکن مورد غضب امير قلعه نويي، با وساطت تعدادي از بزرگترهاي باشگاه استقلال به تمرينات اين تيم بازگشت.

"به گزارش سرويس ورزشي برنا" با وساطت تعدادي از بزرگترهاي باشگاه استقلال، کدورت به وجود آمده ميان امير قلعه نويي و مهرداد پولادي برطرف شد و هافبک جوان آبي پوشان اجازه حضور در تمرينات استقلال را به دست آورد.
لازم به ذکر است اولين تمرين استقلال پس از دربي شصت و پنجم، از دقايقي پيش در زمين شماره دو ورزشگاه آزادي آغاز شده است

shayan20

10-05-2008, 04:53 AM

GN is going to travel to Brazil looking for Borhani's replacement:D

سرمربی تیم فوتبال استقلال تهران برای انتخاب بازیکن به سفر خارجی می*رود.
امیرقلعه*نویی سرمربی تیم فوتبال استقلال تهران برای انتخاب بازیکنانی در خط حمله به سفر خارجی خواهد رفت که به احتمال زیاد برزیل مقصد اصلی قلعه*نویی خواهد بود.
امیررضا واعظ آشتیانی، مدیرعامل باشگاه استقلال نیز در این باره گفت: سرمربی تیم معتقد است که در خط حمله نیاز به جذب بازیکن جدید است و به همین دلیل با شگاه تصمیم دارد در این زمینه اقداماتی را انجام دهد.
وی درباره سفر خارجی قلعه*نویی نیز گفت: احتمال انجام چنین سفری در آینده وجود دارد.

maniei

10-05-2008, 05:11 AM

just out of curiosity, am I the only one who thinks that GN subs were absolutely right.

I mean
amirabadi for beykzadeh - OK. beykzadeh was weak
koushki for akbarpour - OK. akbarpour was invisible and just a waste at that day.
akbari for jabbari - OK. jabbari was injured, and akbari is not the most defensive player either.

and some people made it look like GN made his subs right in the 46th minute after SS took the lead. he subbed in the 60-70th minute, which is the ordinary time to make your subs.

and to laud GN on another point: he send a very good team into that match.
pp was clearly superior player-wise, but a good tactical setup and a good team performance by SS made up for that.

but I dont want to laud GN that much, because as it seems the incident with koushki was his fault; that was really ugly.
again he couldnt control his temper, and he embarrassed himself and that overshadowed his great performance.

a positive note about that match was that borhani seems to be on a good way to find his old self again.
he was very fast, like in old days. his technique was strong again on the whole.
however his finishing hasnt improved, but thats just a question of confidence.
I'm sure if GN gives him the oppurtunity and plays him often in the next game, he will become a great player again we all will want to play in TM.

maniei

10-05-2008, 05:13 AM

G0happy

10-05-2008, 05:50 AM

no, it has to be a replacement for alizadeh or abbasfard.
SS needs a goalscoring striker. their supportive strikers akbarpour and borhani are good enough
Borhani is on fire anyway. We need someone alongside him, more like a cisse role

OsaBlue

10-05-2008, 10:14 AM

بازگشت كوشكي به تمرين استقلال

خبرگزاري فارس: مدافع تيم فوتبال استقلال كه از سوي كادر فني در دربي 65 مقصر شناخته شده بود، به تمرين بازگشت.

به گزارش خبرگزاري فارس، تيم استقلال امروز در زمين شماره دو ورزشگاه آزادي تمرين كرد.
در ابتداي تمرين قلعه نويي حدود دو دقيقه براي بازيكنان صحبت كرد و از آنها خواست حوادث مسابقه با پرسپوليس را فراموش كنند و به فكر بازي سه شنبه مقابل مقاومت باشند.
بيژن كوشكي كه در پايان مسابقه با پرسپوليس مورد غضب امير قلعه نويي قرار گرفته بود و گفته مي شد از اين تيم اخراج شده، امروز همراه سايرين تمرين كرد.
آرش برهاني دچار مصدوميت شده و زير نظر پزشك تمرين كرد. وضعيت او براي حضور در مسابقه با مقاومت روز آينده مشخص مي شود.
در تمرين امروز فقط حدود 20 هوادار حضور دارند و بازيكني غايب نيست.

Agha Kasra

10-06-2008, 09:18 PM

I :love: Esteghlal

Come on boys! Why ya so dead?!

Amin, Yashar, Ali C. and the rest of the crew, Where ya at?!

shayan_esteghlali

10-06-2008, 09:24 PM

come on people!!!! the esteghlal fan thread is dieing somebody write something usefull!

I think we can become champions this year IF we get a finishing striker like enayati!!
lets hope GN gets a good striker in brazil!

Agha Kasra

10-06-2008, 09:25 PM

shayan_esteghlali

10-06-2008, 09:56 PM

I heard he is negiotiating with the Transfer free Ronaldo.
lol imagine ronaldo coming to esteghlal!!! we will win ACL, Hazfi and IPL with ronaldo becoming the best goal scorer/MVP of all tournys:bow: :bow: :bow:

if a OLD rivaldo can do wat he did with kuruvuchi, a not so old ronaldo can do WAY MORE!!!

yashar_fasihnia

10-06-2008, 11:01 PM

we have our match against shah gholam's moghavemat sepasi in 9 hours!
we need a win once again.

ifkoushki and kazemi are both suspended and if motaba jabbari hasnt still recovered from his small injury in the derby, is montazeri gonna be our sweeper or our DM??
akbari can be our DM only if jabbari is fit again and can play next to janvario upfront, otherwise wat is ghalenoi gonna do??

he might play with shakouri, ghorbani and taghipour (most probably ghorbani being the sweeper) and move montazeri to DM position, or he might play meysam manei or someone as the second attacking midfielder next to janvario, play akbari as DM and montazeri as sweeper.

lets see wat happens...fajr is a good team but we can beat them. we need a win after the depressing result last week and all the asab khrudkoni last friday to get back on track :(

:cheerblu:

Ghormeh Sabzi

10-07-2008, 01:28 AM

Cooooooooome On Esteghlal!!! Lets Do Some Azz Kicking Now

G0happy

10-07-2008, 01:35 AM

lol imagine ronaldo coming to esteghlal!!! we will win ACL, Hazfi and IPL with ronaldo becoming the best goal scorer/MVP of all tournys:bow: :bow: :bow:
if a OLD rivaldo can do wat he did with kuruvuchi, a not so old ronaldo can do WAY MORE!!!
Well its possible. Just imagine he got offers from teams even worse. He mite even choose Esteghlal. I highly dought it, but I would love it if he came.

Ghormeh Sabzi

10-07-2008, 01:40 AM

^^^^ROBERTO CARLOS WENT TO TURKEY SO WHY NOT RIGHT??

MY BRAZILIAN FRIEND TOLD ME USUALLY BRAZILIAN PLAYERS DO THAT.. END OF THEIR CAREER THEY GO TO LOWER CLASS FOOTBALL LEAGUES :whatta:
AND YES I CALL IPL A LOW CLASS FOOTBALL LEAGUE COMPARED TO MAJORITY OF THE OTHER LEAGUES IN THE WORLD

Siavash

10-07-2008, 01:46 AM

^ that would be great.

shayan20

10-07-2008, 05:51 AM

Amin_

10-07-2008, 08:00 AM

As expected the referee is turning to the longis and paying them back for their "lost points" in previous matches.

In Navad the guy just said that The Borhani scene wasn't offside and also SS should have had a penalty, the one on Borhani.
Doesn't matter, we showed them what we're made off ;)
Some of them were predicting scores like 3-0 and 3-1's for PP :rolleyes:
I wonder how many threads and complaining we would've seen here if these "mistakes" were made against PP.

Anyway, that match is over, we need to focus on the games to come, and we have a tough one in 15 minutes.

I wonder what line-up Qn will come up with, with some of the players being suspended and injured/not fit.

hamidr316

10-07-2008, 08:21 AM

Doesn't matter, we showed them what we're made off ;)
Some of them were predicting scores like 3-0 and 3-1's for PP :rolleyes:

Yes, you are made of luck.

Agha Kasra

10-07-2008, 09:18 AM

Yes, you are made of luck.
To baz bargashti :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

yashar_fasihnia

10-07-2008, 09:19 AM

Yes, you are made of luck.

:rofl: :rofl:

ok :rolleyes:

Amin_

10-07-2008, 10:29 AM

Yes, you are made of luck.
Yes we were the lucky ones on the wrong off side call and the penalty kick we didn't get :rolleyes:

We are soooo lucky Borhani missed so many 100% chances. He himself alone that day could have made you shishtayee dadash.

Korkori is one thing, ignorance is another ;)

Agha Kasra

10-07-2008, 10:32 AM

Yes we were the lucky ones on the wrong off side call and the penalty kick we didn't get :rolleyes:

We are soooo lucky Borhani missed so many 100% chances. He himself alone that day could have made you shishtayee dadash.

Korkori is one thing, ignorance is another ;)
dadashe man, roo nist ke, sange pa ghazvin.

BTW hal kardi ba GLWiZ:p?

IranJavidan

10-07-2008, 10:35 AM

yashar_fasihnia

10-07-2008, 10:37 AM

WHAAAAAT NIGGA WHAAAAAAT?!?!?

WE'RE YET AGAIN WITNESSING THE MIGHTY POWER OF AN IDEAL GHALENOI TEAM!! OFFENSIVE, AND ATTACKS FROM LEFT AND RIGHT.

MANEI WAS SUPERB, AND AKBARPOUR FINALLY SHOWED WHAT HE'S MADE OF!!! UNBELIEVABLE HEADERS!

ILL WATCH THE GAME ONE MORE TIME, AND EDIT THIS POST, BUT IM SO EXCITED TO POST SINCE WHEN I WAS WATCHING THE GAME AROUND 50TH MINUTE AND ON, I TOLD MYSELF WOW AKBARPOUR IS DEFINITELY GONNA SCORE... AND 2 MINS AFTER, HE SCORED THE 1ST HEADER!!!

NOW THIS GOES OUT TO THE PEOPLE WHO MOCKED GHALENOI FOR PROMISING THE CHAMPIONSHIP IN WEEK 3: YOU WILL ALL WITNESS ESTEGHLAL HOLDING UP THE TROPHY AT THE END OF THE SEASON :bow:.

5-2 BABY, THAT'S WHAT IM TALKIN ABOUT!

YEA BABY!! :cheerblu:

and frankly, the 2 goals we conceded were so tokhmi that we really shouldnt have conceded any of them, specially the 2nd one which was a weak shot but deflected off our defenders.

but who cares, a 5-2 win is still morale boosting for the players, the staff and the fans!!!

it seems we always do play better in the absence of a chairman in the club :eyebrows:

Amin_

10-07-2008, 10:37 AM

Good victory for us. Even though Fajr scored 2 goals, I think the defense didn't give away many chances. The first goal, I think Talebloo should've saved it. The 2nd goal, an unlucky deflected ball, nothing we could do there.

We really need to stop being so "shol" whenever the score is even or when we're leading. It seems whenever we fall behind, that we wake up and start playing our own game. We need to keep the pressure high, even after a lead.

In defense, Ghorbani and Kouski were good; Montazeri can do better.

Heydari and Manei worked hard and played well. Akbari lost a few balls and was on fault at the 2nd goal, but overall he did well.

Jabbari with some amazing passes again. Same as Juanvario, who brought speed to our game.

Borhani, again missed some very good chances; I'm not sure whether or not he touched the ball on our first goal...?
Akbarpour worked hard and scored 2 beauties (specially his first).

Overall, well done guys, with Bargh, Sepahan and Mes drawing, we moved a little closer to the top again.

:cheerblu: :cheerblu:

shayan20

10-07-2008, 10:38 AM

good win for SS. Another big win.
5 goals wow i have to watch it.

Amin_

10-07-2008, 10:39 AM

BTW hal kardi ba GLWiZ:p?

lol :o My satelite went down after 5 minutes, so I pannicked and went on glwiz :D

yashar_fasihnia

10-07-2008, 10:39 AM

btw, jabbari was really trying hard to score in the end of the game, i wish he would have, it was a good chance to dedicate another goal to his passed away father, RIP.
however, im glad heydari, janvario and akbarpour scored. it will release some pressure off them, specially akbarpour who is a striker.

btw, mashalla if shakouri continues this way like he did against perspolis and now against fajr, i dont mind seeing koushki benched. shakouri is doing great.

montazeri was lacking concentration today, disappointing. :(

and once again, i wanna raise my concern about talebloo. he doesnt seem anything like the young talented GK he was a few years back.

and manei was amazing today, although i must say,since his defensive abilities are not so good, that left side of ours can be exploited by stronger opponents and we have to be careful with that.

and lastly, wat was ghalenoi thinking not having taghipour on the bench!!
we didnt have a single defender on the reserves bench! wat if either of our 3 defenders would get injured??
our bench consisted of alizadeh, namdari, amirabadi, pouladi, khaziravi, amirabadi and beygzadeh!!
thank god it all ended well!!

too bad there is gonna be a stop in the league and it might kill our momentum which was been great so far!

ESTEGHLAL SARVARE!!!!!

:cheerblu: :cheerblu:

yashar_fasihnia

10-07-2008, 10:41 AM

good win for SS. Another big win.
5 goals wow i have to watch it.

u should watch the whole game or atleast the highlights if u can, there were some other great chances we didnt use (as usual :o) specially jabbari in the end of the game whose weak shot was cleared away by their defense after beating the GK in a 1 on 1 with homami.

Amin_

10-07-2008, 10:43 AM

Btw, I'm not exxaggerating when I say that we could've scored 10+ ONCE AGAIN (like against SSA).

Borhani could've added another 2 the least, Akbarpour had 2 great chances which he missed, Ghorbani hit the post, Majidi with a great opportunity, ... (I don't even remember the rest).

yashar_fasihnia

10-07-2008, 10:44 AM

one thing i wanna say however is that guys, akbari is a ggood midfielder, but its gonna be extremely hard for him to play as DM against stronger opponents with a stronger attacking force.

that worries me a bit.

another thing that worries me is talebloo who seems to be mediocre again for sometime now. its been long since we saw some amazing saves or reflexes from him and saving our team from some real danger like how vaezi or rahmati have been doing.

a 3rd thing, which is not proven yet and i hope it never does but i think manei and esteghlal have to be careful if they play to use manei as their "pistone chaap". he is too offensive and a stronger team can punish us from that side.

shayan20

10-07-2008, 10:47 AM

u should watch the whole game or atleast the highlights if u can, there were some other great chances we didnt use (as usual :o) specially jabbari in the end of the game whose weak shot was cleared away by their defense after beating the GK in a 1 on 1 with homami.
Now I feel a lot better as I know We're going to have 3 very strong teams for champions league.:)
who knows SS might make it 3 in Asia.:bow:

Amin_

10-07-2008, 10:48 AM

and lastly, wat was ghalenoi thinking not having taghipour on the bench!!
we didnt have a single defender on the reserves bench! wat if either of our 3 defenders would get injured??
our bench consisted of alizadeh, namdari, amirabadi, pouladi, khaziravi, amirabadi and beygzadeh!!
thank god it all ended well!!
Yeah I wondered about that too. I think in case of inury of one of the 3 defenders, Qn would change to a 4 men defensive line, with Heydari and Manei on right and left respactively.

But yeah it was a risky decision not to have Taghipour on the bench.

IranJavidan

10-07-2008, 10:53 AM

taghipour is injured guys, that's why he wasnt there..

im sure we would've managed in this game though, moghavemat had nothing to say in terms of attacks.

and mashalla be shakouri, he's a great defender...

Amin_

10-07-2008, 10:56 AM

Ah ok so Taghipour was injured. Thank God nothing happened and all ended well then :bow:

yashar_fasihnia

10-07-2008, 11:08 AM

ahan, thanx for the info hassan.
although i dont think fajr could create much trouble for us, im worried about future games, cos right now, we have 1 injured defender, 1 suspended defender and 1 suspended DM.
which means we only have 3 defenders(montazeri, ghorbani and shakouri) and 1 no real DM (akbari) for the future games as well until atleast 1 of those 3 players is able to play again :fear:
maybe this break cos of TM can help atleast taghipour heal faster but if worse come to worse, im guessing like amin said, we might play a 4 back with ghorbani and shakouri as the 2 CBs (which itself needs a lot of coordination ) and play montazeri as DM for emergency situations :whatta:

i hope shakouri solidifies his position in the team cos i definitely prefer him over taghipour.

as i remember, atleast in the earlier weeks, ghalenoi used to prefer taghipour to shakouri and shakouri used to be 5th choice defender behind our 3 starters koushki, montazeri, ghorbani and taghipour who was usually on the bench. i hope it isnt the case anymore cos im not really a fan of taghipour.

yashar_fasihnia

10-07-2008, 11:10 AM

Now I feel a lot better as I know We're going to have 3 very strong teams for champions league.:)
who knows SS might make it 3 in Asia.:bow:

inshalla :bow:
although i must say, this team has weak points which can be exploited well by a good coach who can read our game well and has the right tools to make necessary changes against us, and considering our strikers arent the best finishers themselves, on a bad day, we could disappoint...unfortunately :(

The-Red

10-07-2008, 11:13 AM

Good win for ss...5 goals can't be luck or anything , well deserved..
I however think SS should be worried about their second half of the season schedule and collect as many points as they can now that they are playing in Azadi...on the last 1/4 of the season, SS has some crucial away matches that can determine how ss finishes the season.

yashar_fasihnia

10-07-2008, 11:18 AM

thanx armin jan. as u rightly pointed out, our games arent evenly balanced and as u can see, we started the league with away games, now we are playing some homes and then it goes a few away games again.

OsaBlue

10-07-2008, 11:21 AM

great game by our boys again, i was really missing games like this which we hadn't seen since GN lefted esteghlal 3 years ago:cheerblu:

yashar_fasihnia

10-07-2008, 11:36 AM

guys TV3 just announced the TM squad (excluding the PP players who they will announce tommorow after the game).

esteghlal had 4 players: talebloo, ghorbani, montazeri and jabbari.

no heydari, no shakouri and no borhani though and maybe if shakouri had played 1 or 2 games earlier, he could earn a spot as well but still, good enough, specially for montazeri and ghorbani!!

i personally think although ghorbani has been our leader and has scored some goals for us, defensively, shakouri has been more solid which is wat TM needs. nevertheless, dame bacheha garm!!

:cheerblu:

for those interested, mahdavikia is also invited, and hashemian too but hashemian is injured and didnt make it.

also from UAE league, only khatibi was invited. no nosrati, and no sadeghi from saipa :D

IranJavidan

10-07-2008, 01:17 PM

k this includes a brief analysis up to the 57th minute:

formation:

------------Taleblou------------
-----------Montazeri------------
Shakouri--------------Ghorbani
------------Akbari--------------
Heydari-------------------Manei
-----------Jabbari----------------
----------------------Juanario-----
-------Akbarour------------------
-----------------Borhani----------

-the 1st and most important point in esteghlal's game today was the apparent tactical plan implemented in our play. did anyone else notice the off-ball movements and runs by our players whenever we were transiting to offense? i counted numerous times the combos, squares, and triangles that were formed by the midfield, and if this excellent trend continues in the team, i have no doubt that there will not be any team in iran that can tactically beat us. im saying not out of blind support for my team, but based on previous experience. im sure all of iran remembers esteghlal's style of play 3 years ago when gn made us champs... game by game, esteghlal only improved, and by the end of the season, no team was a match for us, and all analysers from both colors were admitting that esteghlal's class was far above iranian standards. im not saying we've reached that stage yet, as yashar pointed out our weaknesses so far. i will only add to his list that esteghlal still has major problems in the defense department. its one thing to make a mistake like the turnover that montazeri caused in the fisrt half, but time and time again, we've seen how esteghlal defender's got dribbled. also, there is a major problem in terms of man-marking, and to a lesser extent coordination. all of this can cost us dearly in future games agasinst teams that can actually use the most out of their opportunities.
- moghavemat displayed a terrible game today, and that was unexpected from shagholam. benching motevaselzadeh was probably the biggest favor he could've done for us, as their few attacks were extremely weak and flawed.
-having said that, i have to point out the excellent job esteghlal's strikers and midfield did today. borhani and akbarpour were pressurizing the moghavemat defense non-stop, which took away their attack-building, and creativity. this lead to them simply kicking the ball high to get rid of the pressure. that's when our midfield would step in, and by quickly and effectively passing the ball around, we took the matter into our own hands. i especially would like to stress that juanario has tunred into a key player for that matter, and his vision and distribution are key to this style of play. not to mention his shots, tackles, and decent speed. a joy to watch. he was all over the place, and im sure we're to see more of him in the games to come.
- jabbari, as always, displayed an acceptable game, although he could be much better than what we saw today. i love his passes though! they're like put on a platter for any striker that can use them, and most of the times, all a striker needs to do is a simple baghale pa and the ball will be in the back of the net from his passes!
- akbari was solid, also was key in controlling the pace and distribution... i could call him a mini-nekounam of our team; IF HE PROVES TO BE CONSISTENT.
-heydari, WOW! what else can one say? fast, gifted, technical, and a team player. such a pleasure watching this kid, and I want to see him in TM RIGHT NOW!!
- manei was also superb today. he did everything a side winger has to do.. shoot, centre accurately, etc. he was also very motivated u could tell, so i found him particularly eager to attack, especially in defense-2-offense transitions.
-our attack line also impressed a lot.. akbarpour finally broke the deadlock, and if his 2 goals aren't selected in the top 10 goals of this season, i will be surprised. BEAUTIFUL ZIDANE DRIBBLE ;). if akbarpour plays every game like he played today, then i wouldnt mind him starting with borhani at all. heck, obviously i love majidi as a striker, but as long as abbasfard and alizade aren't playing, im happy:). borhani, as always, created chances, but buried them with him. nothing new there.
-now back to defense... ok.. ghorbani was very good. solid, and as always, hungry to score! montazeri was shaky, and that might cost him a starting spot next game..not to worry though, since shakouri has been very good in the past 2 games, and koushki will be back. but this game we showed weak on simple attacks, and although taleblou was at fault for the first goal, we could've done much better overall.. GN NEEDS TO IMPROVE THE DEFENSE IF WE WANT THE TITLE!!!

- finally, i want to give full credits to amir ghalenoei... He's using an old system, but displaying modern football. he encourages defenders from a 3back system to participate in the attacks not only in set pieces obviously, but during gameplay! he's never afraid to admit his mistakes in terms of tactics and player selection, and is first to make effective changes. I truly hope his tremendous work pays off in the end, especially since he was not treated fair by the iranian football family first in eses, and then in TM. im sure he's very motivated to display his capabalities, and also knowing his character, prove his critics all wrong. GO GN!!!

sorry for the long post:D lol.

yashar_fasihnia

10-07-2008, 01:33 PM

thanx for the passion and the details hassan!
damet garm! :cheerblu:

i just wanna know, r u sure koushki will be back next game??

Kaveh

10-07-2008, 01:35 PM

congrats to all blues
eyval bacheha

Agha Kasra

10-07-2008, 01:48 PM

Batcheha motchakereeem :cheers:

kaz

10-07-2008, 01:58 PM

YEA BABY!! :cheerblu:

and frankly, the 2 goals we conceded were so tokhmi that we really shouldnt have conceded any of them, specially the 2nd one which was a weak shot but deflected off our defenders.

but who cares, a 5-2 win is still morale boosting for the players, the staff and the fans!!!

it seems we always do play better in the absence of a chairman in the club :eyebrows:

Amen, we should have NEVER been behind against this team. While we were conceding we were EASILY superior to them. Talebloo is a liability now and Montazeri has to squeak up his performances at the back. You can get away only so many times with those mistakes.

Ali Chicago

10-07-2008, 04:03 PM

Can some one give me a low down on how Ahmad Khazviri did? I saw a picture on Irna that he was in the pic. I know it is just one game and he probably was a sub, but how did he do?

I like him a lot since I saw him in the practices in Turkey. The only thing to be seen is if he has the emotional strenght of playing in a big team in big games.

Agha Kasra

10-07-2008, 04:05 PM

Can some one give me a low down on how Ahmad Khazviri did? I saw a picture on Irna that he was in the pic. I know it is just one game and he probably was a sub, but how did he do?

I like him a lot since I saw him in the practices in Turkey.
Well he was ineffective. He didn't do anything. He got subbed on in the around the 78th minute, but didn't show anything special.

ardi11

10-07-2008, 04:32 PM

(not that i like him) but could some1 please tell me what mansourian is doing rightnow? will he or is he included in their staff?

tnx in advance

Agha Kasra

10-07-2008, 04:39 PM

(not that i like him) but could some1 please tell me what mansourian is doing rightnow? will he or is he included in their staff?

tnx in advance
Sarvar Mansourian is the head of the Esteghlal youth academy;)

ardi11

10-07-2008, 04:57 PM

merci kasra jan!

btw we'll have to talk about that sarvar part again :p

Agha Kasra

10-07-2008, 04:58 PM

merci kasra jan!
btw we'll have to talk about that sarvar part again :p
How dare you to talk like that about an ex-TM player who has served his country for many years.

NOW APOLOGIZE!!!

:D

Ghormeh Sabzi

10-07-2008, 06:28 PM

great game guys.. congrats to all my fellow esteghlalis

bacheha mochakerim!!:cheers:

IranJavidan

10-07-2008, 06:46 PM

thanx for the passion and the details hassan!
damet garm! :cheerblu:

i just wanna know, r u sure koushki will be back next game??

mokhlesamm.

you're right, i guess we'll have to wait and see what the komite enzebati says about koushki:whatta:

Agha Kasra

10-07-2008, 06:47 PM

mokhlesamm.

you're right, i guess we'll have to wait and see what the komite enzebati says about koushki:whatta:
man nafahmidam, be comite enzebati CHE rabti dasht :confused:

IranJavidan

10-07-2008, 07:43 PM

man nafahmidam, be comite enzebati CHE rabti dasht :confused:

gn gave koushki a lot of shit for the conceded goal in the derby. that caused him to loose his temper, and when some reporters were approaching him, he allegedly flipped out on them, and started fighting.

everything was caught on tape, and he will probably be penalized 4it...

shayan_esteghlali

10-07-2008, 07:53 PM

EYVAL!!! BACHEHA MOCHAKERIM!!!
i only watched the first 10 minutes of the game since i had school, but i was sure we would win with a big goal difference because we just played so beautifully, and in the first 8 minutes we should have scored!!
then when they scored of a lucky counter attack i told my dad that we will score right now AND WE DID!!!!!

thank you to GENERAL GHALENOIE who is a amazing coach and thank you to all the players!! :bow:

shayan_esteghlali

10-07-2008, 08:14 PM

:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:

غلام پيروانى: بايد ۱۰ گل مى خورديم
ايران ورزشى- پيروانى كه از بازى شاگردانش مقابل استقلال به شدت ناراحت بود گفت: «در روزى بد بازى كرديم كه روز خوب استقلال بود. استقلال در همه دقايق بازى توپ و ميدان را در اختيار داشت. اگر استقلال در زدن ضربات آخر بيشتر دقت مى كرد مى توانست حتى ۱۰ گل هم بزند. از بازى بچه ها به شدت ناراضى ام اما بايد اين را هم بگويم كه عده اى از آنها بار اول شان بود كه وارد ورزشگاه آزادى مى شدند.»
:bow: :bow: :bow: :bow: :bow:
its the first time i have seen this from a iranian coach!! respect to him!!
he accepts that his team was outplayed, that esteghlal had a amazing game and were very good at keeping the ball and making goal scoring chances and that if esteghlal players had a better finishing touch they should have conceded 10 goals!!

Agha Kasra

10-07-2008, 08:34 PM

gn gave koushki a lot of shit for the conceded goal in the derby. that caused him to loose his temper, and when some reporters were approaching him, he allegedly flipped out on them, and started fighting.

everything was caught on tape, and he will probably be penalized 4it...
something else that has been bothering me is the TA ETTELA'E SANAVI. I think they really liked Shahram Solati's song

Ali Chicago

10-09-2008, 04:40 PM

Well he was ineffective. He didn't do anything. He got subbed on in the around the 78th minute, but didn't show anything special.

Thanks. Come on Ahmad, I hope he has the mental strength of playing in a big team and showing off what the has.

Ali Chicago

10-09-2008, 04:47 PM

...

- finally, i want to give full credits to amir ghalenoei... He's using an old system, but displaying modern football. he encourages defenders from a 3back system to participate in the attacks not only in set pieces obviously, but during gameplay! he's never afraid to admit his mistakes in terms of tactics and player selection, and is first to make effective changes. I truly hope his tremendous work pays off in the end, especially since he was not treated fair by the iranian football family first in eses, and then in TM. im sure he's very motivated to display his capabalities, and also knowing his character, prove his critics all wrong. GO GN!!!

Despite what they say in Iranian papers no system is old (Brazil still plays 4-4-2 which they themselves created back in 60s). Even current Bayern Coach (Kleinsman) was talking about Bayern and he said, he considers it an advanatege that his team can go from 4-4-2 to 3-5-2 back and forth during the game. 3-5-2 is very effective against 4-2-3-1 for example. 3-5-2 can be a good system, it all depends on the type of the players you have and how the opposing team plays and kind of players it has.

Agha Kasra

10-13-2008, 03:19 PM

65th Derby's verdict will be out tomorrrow!

شريفي در گفت و گو با فارس:

احكام انضباطي دربي 65 فردا صادر خواهد شد

خبرگزاري فارس: رئيس كميته انضباطي فدراسيون فوتبال گفت: آراي بازيكنان استقلال در مورد دربي 65 روز آينده صادر خواهد شد.

مجتبي شريفي در گفت و گو با خبرنگار خبرگزاري فارس، اظهار داشت: تمام مطالبي كه روزنامه ها درباره آراي دو بازيكن استقلال منتشر كرده اند، گمانه زني صرف است كه بسيار هم بامزه است. تا اين لحظه حكمي در مورد آنها صادر نشده است.
وي افرود: براي صدور راي بايد حداقل سه نفر و حداكثر 5 نفر در كميته حضور داشته باشند. بدون اين شرايط، رايي صادر نمي شود. آراي كليه بازيكنان در خصوص دربي 65 را روز آينده صادر و ابلاغ خواهيم كرد.
رئيس كميته انضباطي در خصوص حضور امير قلعه نويي در كميته انضباطي گفت: ايشان را به كميته دعوت كرديم تا تذكرات آئين نامه اي را به كادر فني و بازيكنان، به ايشان ارائه كنيم كه خوشبختانه به كميته انضباطي آمد.
حسين كاظمي و بيژن كوشكي بازيكناني هستند كه به كميته انضباطي دعوت شده اند.

Agha Kasra

10-13-2008, 03:21 PM

Milad Nouri on his way to Abumoslem??!

با توجه به درخواست ابومسلم

نوري از باشگاه استقلال خواستار رضايتنامه شد

خبرگزاري فارس: هافبك جوان تيم فوتبال استقلال از مسئولان اين باشگاه خواستار دريافت رضايتنامه شد.

بهگزارش خبرگزاري فارس، ميلاد نوري كه امسال به عضويت استقلال درآمد، هنوز نتوانسته نظر امير قلعه*نويي را به خود جلب كند و به همين دليل، هنوز در فصل جاري براي اين تيم به ميدان نيامده است.
وي كه از اين وضعيت خسته شده، باتوجه به پيشنهاد ابومسلم به او، امروز در باشگاه استقلال حضور يافت و خواستار صادر شدن برگه رضايتنامه اش شد.
مسئولان ابومسلم به اين بازيكن اعلام كرده اند در صورتي كه بتواند رضايتنامه اش را از اين تيم بگيرد، براي مذاكره با او آماده مي شوند.
ميلاد نوري فصل گذشته از تيم استيل آذين به استقلال پيوست.

shayan_esteghlali

10-13-2008, 03:29 PM

^^îs he any good??? he only played one game and i missed that game

Amin_

10-13-2008, 04:08 PM

He's promising, but hasn't been given lots of playing time. I think this move to Abou will be good for him.

yashar_fasihnia

10-15-2008, 10:15 PM

by the wat, guys check this out:

در این بین علی پروین و ناصر حجازی بیشتر از دیگران مورد تشویق تماشاگران قرار گرفتند. برخی هواداران فوتبال نیز به هنگام ورود ناصر حجازی او با گلباران کردند و گلهای زیادی را روی سر او ریختند

apparently parvin and hejazi who were in the stadium were cheered for the most.

our own NASSER KHAN was greeted so well by the fans and some fans even threw flowers on hejazi as he entered the stadium!

mashalla NASSER KHAN and mashalla all iranian fans specially ESTEGHLAL FANS!!
btw, jabbari was also cheered a lot, both during the game and when being subbed out for zandi.
did u guys hear 50,000 fans chanting "mojtabaye jabbari... mojtabaye jabbari" time and again!!
makes me proud!!

:cheerblu: :cheerblu:

--------------------------------

btw guys, we have a tough game against bargh on friday. 4 of our players have been away from esteghlal practice, including 2 of our main defenders: ghorbani, motnazeri, talebloo and jabbari.

very crucial game for us against IPL suprise package, bargh.

we definitely can win this one, hopefully this 1 day interval between TM game and esteghlal game wont hurt us much.

HOPE TO GET THE 3 POINTS!!
:cheerblu: :cheerblu:

The-Red

10-15-2008, 10:16 PM

mig'am Bargh nagiratetoon jomeh yashar joon :D bepa'een :D

yashar_fasihnia

10-15-2008, 10:22 PM

armin jan,
jome'e, shahre shiraz kamel barghesh ghaat mishe :D

btw, i remember this title from a few years back. esteghlal started the league very strong, defeating esteghlal rasht (pegah) with 5 or 6 goals, then winning another 1 or 2 games very dominantly, then came bargh shiraz and the newspaper titles read "jome'e, barghe shahre shiraz ghaat mishe" or something along those lines and then the game came and we drew that game and it put an end to the great streak we had started. :(

i cant remember when it was, but i think majidi was playing for us that time..
maybe early 2000's??

beharhal,
ESTEGHLAL GHAHREMAN MISHE,
KHODA MIDUNE KE HAGHESHE,
BE LOTFE YAZDANO BACHEHA,
ESTEGHLAL GHAHREMAN MISHE...ESTEGHLAL GHAHREMAN MISHE!!!

:cheerblu: :cheerblu:

The-Red

10-15-2008, 10:27 PM

^ :D kholaseh ma gofteh bashim yashar jan...bargh gereftetoon nagin nagofti :D
should be a good game,,,bargh won't sit back to defend and that means ss has space to work with, but has to have a perfect day in the back or ...n'ways we'll see...looking forward to it...go bargh, i mean go whoever plays better :D
good luck ;) hala bargard sareh karet :D

Agha Kasra

10-16-2008, 02:40 AM

Hmmmm I hope none of the TM players we had will be too tired. Since we all know what happens to Esteghlal without Jabbari and Taleblou.

Agha Kasra

10-17-2008, 11:17 AM

We need a striker ASAP.... Borhani is gonna kill me, trust me. OMGGGG I wannnaaaa use some fossshhhh but I can't:(.... 1000ta fosh dadam tahala, bazam khali nashodamm...

djmo

10-17-2008, 11:26 AM

We need a striker ASAP.... Borhani is gonna kill me, trust me. OMGGGG I wannnaaaa use some fossshhhh but I can't:(.... 1000ta fosh dadam tahala, bazam khali nashodamm...
He creates golden opportunities but can't finish ,he's not what we nede in Team Melli :(

OsaBlue

10-17-2008, 11:31 AM

sometimes i ask my self that why i'm watching every single esteghlal match to get pissed i mean soon or later i will get a heart attack i can just feel it

Ala

10-17-2008, 11:33 AM

sometimes i ask my self that why i'm watching every single esteghlal match to get pissed i mean soon or later i will get a heart attack i can just feel it

esteghlal is not worth a heat attack.
if u ask me, change ur club and live longer.

.

Ala

10-17-2008, 11:35 AM

We need a striker ASAP.... Borhani is gonna kill me, trust me. OMGGGG I wannnaaaa use some fossshhhh but I can't:(.... 1000ta fosh dadam tahala, bazam khali nashodamm...

Just expecting the players to play well won't do.
These are the most expensive players in Iran.
Esteghlal needs a big foreign coach.

.

OsaBlue

10-17-2008, 11:36 AM

esteghlal is not worth a heat attack.
if u ask me, change ur club and live longer.
.
it's not just Esteghlal its the whole football thing in Iran there is something wrong with

Agha Kasra

10-17-2008, 11:41 AM

Just expecting the players to play well won't do.
These are the most expensive players in Iran.
Esteghlal needs a big foreign coach.

.
I think I can expect from a striker to shoot in the "charchoob", can't I? The problem isn't that he misses, the problem is that he doesn't shoot in the "charchoob". 3 or 4 years he has been playing like that.

Amin_

10-17-2008, 12:16 PM

Qn should at least keep Abbasfard on the bench! Bringing in Taghipour in the last minutes and Alizadeh won't be helpful when we're desperately looking for a goal and pumping in long balls.

Manei should stop involving himself in every freaking set piece! He's never shot any of his freekicks on the goal (except for that lucky goal against Shirin Faraz) and his corners are crap!

We need to buy a quality striker who can finish, cause we do create enough chances. It's a shame that Ghorbani has to be our 2nd best goal scorer!

Bring back Enayati!!

Amin_

10-17-2008, 12:20 PM

sometimes i ask my self that why i'm watching every single esteghlal match to get pissed i mean soon or later i will get a heart attack i can just feel it
Seriously, me too! I skipped school again even though I had to finish some things to torture myself for 90+ minutes!

Can't believe the players lost focus right after we scored our goal.

And please keep Borhani out of TM. I can't barely bare this torture of seeing him play in SS every week, let alone in TM as well. :nono:

perspolisi

10-17-2008, 12:36 PM

Seriously, me too! I skipped school again even though I had to finish some things to torture myself for 90+ minutes!
Can't believe the players lost focus right after we scored our goal.
And please keep Borhani out of TM. I can't barely bare this torture of seeing him play in SS every week, let alone in TM as well. :nono:

They do play very emotionally... in the second half they played just like Perspolis did against SS... direct crosses into the box trying to save time and all... but unfortunately you need a player like Ghorbani upfront who knows how to jump and get to the ball... I don't think Borhani and Majidi are like that... they play better on the ground (and so does Jabari)...

so then the question is, doesn't Ghalenoi see this? and if so why doesn't he try to train these boys to play short passes on the ground and take advantage of Borhani and Majidi's speed? rather than send pointless crosses in hoping that one will go in... ?

Amin_

10-17-2008, 03:01 PM

They do play very emotionally... in the second half they played just like Perspolis did against SS... direct crosses into the box trying to save time and all... but unfortunately you need a player like Ghorbani upfront who knows how to jump and get to the ball... I don't think Borhani and Majidi are like that... they play better on the ground (and so does Jabari)...
so then the question is, doesn't Ghalenoi see this? and if so why doesn't he try to train these boys to play short passes on the ground and take advantage of Borhani and Majidi's speed? rather than send pointless crosses in hoping that one will go in... ?
Well the past couple of games, we did mainly play short quick passes and didn't focus on long balls at all.

But as you mentioned, our team gets very emotional when we're behind/even and when we're looking for goals. It seems that they forget all tactics and start pumping in balls.

When we're trailing and the opponent is in their own box, Abbasfard can be a real threath, since he'll particularly be in the box where he's the most dangerous. He does not need to run around and pressurize the opponents defense in situations that we're trailing. That's why I said I wished Qn at least keeps Abbasfard on the bench for such situations.

We really should've won this match, Bargh had nothing today!

perspolisi

10-17-2008, 03:44 PM

Well the past couple of games, we did mainly play short quick passes and didn't focus on long balls at all.
But as you mentioned, our team gets very emotional when we're behind/even and when we're looking for goals. It seems that they forget all tactics and start pumping in balls.
When we're trailing and the opponent is in their own box, Abbasfard can be a real threath, since he'll particularly be in the box where he's the most dangerous. He does not need to run around and pressurize the opponents defense in situations that we're trailing. That's why I said I wished Qn at least keeps Abbasfard on the bench for such situations.
We really should've won this match, Bargh had nothing today!

yea something was up with bargh today... did you see Shiri?!?! he was just walking around and playing as if he's playing against a u-8 team!!

Borhani is such a skillful player... i don't know if there's anything a coach can do to improve the goal scoring of a player. maybe he's not a finisher and should just be creating chances and ss needs someone to finish... don't know

i think i'll die before i see consistency in Iranian players...

Ghormeh Sabzi

10-17-2008, 05:25 PM

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shayan_esteghlali

10-17-2008, 05:31 PM

we should have scored 20 goals in the second half!!!
GN be jone madaret enayati ra biyar esteghlal, if not enayati ronaldo will to do!!

yashar_fasihnia

10-17-2008, 09:21 PM

wat a frustrating game....

today was one of those days that the ball didnt wanna go in.

when borhani becomes 1 on 1 with GK but kicks high
when jabbari hits a loose ball out from 2 meters
when akbari misses a penalty...

wat can i say...WAT A PITY!!!
its sad we didnt walk away with the 3 points from this game!
real sad :(

Agha Kasra

10-18-2008, 04:38 AM

The-Red

10-19-2008, 07:46 PM

what a shamful display by Bargh that needs time wasting and unfair play in order to get a point...a team that claims is in the title race this year showed that they have no character in Azadi as the only thing they were good at was rolling on the grass...our football has become another bahrain and qatar...sad to say, but it's not far from them...I saw the last 20 min of the game only now and I feel for ss for not beating this shameful bargh team and I am expecting the same from bargh against perspolis if they manage a tie score 'til the last 25 min.

these young Iranian coaches that some defend so much seem to know how to teach their players how to waste time.

Agha Kasra

10-19-2008, 07:49 PM

Amin_

10-19-2008, 08:02 PM

Me too, after seeing this shameful display against us, I hope PP defeats the crap out of them, with their unbeaten record :rolleyes:

They will crumble sooner or later and from what I saw from them, they are no title contenders. SS should've whiped them from the pitch, as they really didn't deserve to leave Azadi with any points!

All of this time wasting (which really should've added at least 8 minutes of extra time, actually more), plus the missed chances, plus the stupid referee, plus the missed penalty kick, makes this draw (which I see as a loss) against this Bargh even harder to swallow! So yeah I hope PP teaches them a lesson.

Agha Kasra

10-19-2008, 08:26 PM

I thought that Rah Ahan was zede football under Misaghian, but vs. Bargh it was the best :rolleyes:. BTW I also remember our match last year vs. Bargh in Shiraz under Hejazi, where we became 1-1 in the match where the lights were so weak, Bargh was Riyadhi as well...

Amin_

10-19-2008, 08:31 PM

They were one of my fav. teams actually, but now I dislike them. Can't believe I thought about dropping out of school, going back to Iran to play for them :nono:

Siavash

10-19-2008, 08:38 PM

^ I did not know that you are a serious player Amin khan. Are u playing for a club now and in what position. Don't tell me left back.

I did not see the match, but with a player like Jabbari in the field why anyone let Akbari to take the penalty.

Amin_

10-19-2008, 08:49 PM

^ I did not know that you are a serious player Amin khan. Are u playing for a club now and in what position. Don't tell me left back.
Well I used to be some time ago (now like 2-3 years). I was on trial at FC Den Bosch (used to be in the Dutch premier league, now 2nd league), but then I had a serious injury and stopped footballing after that.

Back then I had trials with Sanat and Bargh settled, but couldn't get to Iran because of some reasons.

I played at FC Haarlem and then SC Heerenveen youth (age of 15-16), but my mom didn't let me continue because of my study (lol typical Iranian mom). Then I started playing in the "Hoofdklasse" for years, which is a little lower than the Dutch 2nd league (semi-pro).

Back then I used to play midfield. Then at one moment, I had to play left back because of some injuries in our team, and that went so well that I got scouted at Den Bosch for that position :) So yeah, I'm a lefty and have played the left back position ;)

But I'm afraid I'm too old now anyway to think about a professional career :o

shayan20

10-19-2008, 08:53 PM

Amin for TM:D

I agree man. bargh is nothing. Alaki raftan on bala.
SS should have beaten them brutally, Sepahan must have beaten them and PP will probably beat them.
They are no title contenders.

Ali Chicago

10-20-2008, 12:16 AM

Glwiz.com didn't put the game for SS or PP game on their archive. The other place that I am not supposed to bring thier name, PP and SS channel is down. Anywhere else I can watch or download the last SS and PP game?

Siavash

10-20-2008, 12:26 AM

Well I used to be some time ago (now like 2-3 years). I was on trial at FC Den Bosch (used to be in the Dutch premier league, now 2nd league), but then I had a serious injury and stopped footballing after that.
Back then I had trials with Sanat and Bargh settled, but couldn't get to Iran because of some reasons.
I played at FC Haarlem and then SC Heerenveen youth (age of 15-16), but my mom didn't let me continue because of my study (lol typical Iranian mom). Then I started playing in the "Hoofdklasse" for years, which is a little lower than the Dutch 2nd league (semi-pro).
Back then I used to play midfield. Then at one moment, I had to play left back because of some injuries in our team, and that went so well that I got scouted at Den Bosch for that position :) So yeah, I'm a lefty and have played the left back position ;)
But I'm afraid I'm too old now anyway to think about a professional career :o

I was right you played left back. Now Ale Nemeh has a new competition.

Ghormeh Sabzi

10-20-2008, 01:15 AM

Well I used to be some time ago (now like 2-3 years). I was on trial at FC Den Bosch (used to be in the Dutch premier league, now 2nd league), but then I had a serious injury and stopped footballing after that.
Back then I had trials with Sanat and Bargh settled, but couldn't get to Iran because of some reasons.
I played at FC Haarlem and then SC Heerenveen youth (age of 15-16), but my mom didn't let me continue because of my study (lol typical Iranian mom). Then I started playing in the "Hoofdklasse" for years, which is a little lower than the Dutch 2nd league (semi-pro).
Back then I used to play midfield. Then at one moment, I had to play left back because of some injuries in our team, and that went so well that I got scouted at Den Bosch for that position :) So yeah, I'm a lefty and have played the left back position ;)
But I'm afraid I'm too old now anyway to think about a professional career :o
oh come on amin jaan you are never too old for footy ;)

i play left back too :D

Agha Kasra

10-20-2008, 12:45 PM

Taleblou, Ghorbani and Vaez Ashtiani had a meeting together

جلسه سه نفره بين واعظ ، قرباني و طالب لو

دو تن از بازيكنان تيم فوتبال استقلال ظهر امروز با مديرعامل باشگاه براي رسيدگي به مشكلات بازيكنان جلسه داشتند.

به گزارش سایت رسمی باشگاه فارس، وحيد طالب لو و پيروز قرباني به نمايندگي از بازيكنان استقلال با امير واعظ آشتياني جلسه برگزار كردند.
در اين نشست، اين دو درباره وعده هاي مالي با مديرعامل به صحبت پرداختند و از او خواسته اند كه اين وعده ها را هرچه زودتر عملي كند.
آنها از واعظ خواستند به وضعيت مالي بازيكنان مصدوم هم رسيدگي شود.
قرار بود حسين كاظمي هم براي مشكل پولي خود با مديرعامل استقلال جلسه اي برگزار كند.

They spoke about money and their unpayed salaries and the players requested the pay, how sooner how better

Agha Kasra

10-20-2008, 12:47 PM

Amirabadi: "It is an honor to sit on Esteghlal's bench"

اميرآبادي: نيمكت نشيني در استقلال افتخار است

هافبك تيم فوتبال استقلال تهران گفت: اعتراضي به نيمكت نشيني ندارم و اين مسئله برايم افتخار است.

به گزارش سایت رسمی باشگاه مهدي اميرآبادي در گفت و گو با خبرنگار فارس درباره اينكه گفته مي*شود بعد از بازي مقابل تيم برق شيراز به حالت قهر رختكن را ترك كرده است، اظهار داشت: اين خبر صحت ندارد. اعتراضي نكردم؛ حتي در زماني كه تيم ما در حالت حمله بود، دوست داشتم تيمم به گل هاي بيشتر برسد.
وي ادامه داد: سال هاست كه در استقلال بازي مي كنم و در اين مدت با هيچ مربي مشكلي نداشته ام. اينكه هر روز مي نويسند ناراحت هستم، دروغ است.
اميرآبادي با بيان اينكه با مربيان احساس راحتي مي كند، عنوان كرد: به اندازه كافي با مربيان رابطه دوستانه دارم كه اگر بخواهم كاري انجام دهم به آنها مي گويم.
وي تاكيد كرد: بايد تلاش خود را بيشتر كنم تا حقم را بگيرم

Siavash

10-20-2008, 12:49 PM

^ of course

Siavash

10-20-2008, 12:51 PM

oh come on amin jaan you are never too old for footy ;)
i play left back too :D

Now everyone is plying left back. That is a good news since our leftback problem will be solved.

Agha Kasra

10-20-2008, 12:52 PM

Maniei: "I'm becoming the played I wanted to be" :rolleyes:

منيعي: همان بازيكني شده*ام كه مي*خواستم

هافبك تيم فوتبال استقلال تهران گفت: تبديل به همان بازيكني شده ام كه مي خواستم.

به گزارش سایت رسمی باشگاه ميثم منيعي در گفت و گو با خبرنگار فارس درباره بازي اين تيم مقابل برق شيراز اظهار داشت: موقعيت هاي زيادي را از دست داديم و اگر پنالتي نيمه دوم گل مي شد مي توانستيم به برتري برسيم.
وي در حمايت از يدا... اكبري افزود: براي هر بازيكني پيش مي آيد كه پنالتي را خراب كند. ما در بازي مقابل برق تنها چيزي كه نداشتيم شانس بود. آن ها هم تيم خوبي بودند.
اين هافبك در ارتباط با عملكرد خود گفت: رفته رفته هماني مي شوم كه مي خواهم. البته از بازي خودم به دليل عدم پيروزي تيم راضي نيستم. با اين وجود در حالي كه در هفته گذشته مريض بودم عملكرد بدي نداشتم.
منيعي در اپيان خاطر نشان ساخت: مي خواهيم اين روند رو به رشد را ادامه دهيم. از اين به بعد بازي ها شش امتيازي است و مطمئن باشيد كه هدف ما فقط صدرنشيني خواهد بود.

OMG What is he saying :rofl: He should stay away from set pieces and JUST concentrate on his own position. Harchi in FK va CK zad kharab kard, mige khoob bazi kardam:D

Koushki suspended for 3 matches and fined 15 million rial

كوشكي سه جلسه محروم و 15 ميليون ريال جريمه شد

مدافع تيم فوتبال استقلال تهران پس از برگزاري نشست كميته انضباطي فدراسيون به سه جلسه محروميت و پرداخت 15 ميليون ريال جريمه نقدي محكوم شد.

به گزارش سایت رسمی باشگاه فارس، جلسه كميته انضباطي فدراسيون فوتبال در خصوص تخلف بيژن كوشكي برگزار شد.
وي در اين جلسه گفت: متاسفانه خبرنگاران در شرايط نامناسبي مرا تحت فشار قرار داده و باعث شدند تا با خستگي جسمي و روحي كه داشتم حركت نادرستي را انجام دهم.
كوشكي در ادامه بيان كرد: صحبت هاي مسئولان كميته انضباطي باعث شد تا پي به اشتباهم ببرم. از خبرنگاران عذر خواهي مي كنم و ز كميته انضباطي نيز درخواست دارم تا شرايطي را فراهم كنند كه بلافاصله پس از خروج از بازي با خبرنگاران مواجه نشويم كه درنهايت چنين اتفاقاتي رخ ندهد.
پس از توقف يك ساعته و شور اعضاي كميته انضباطي، مقرر شد كوشكي با سه جلسه محروميت و مبلغ 15 ميليون ريال جريمه مواجه شود.
وي 2 جلسه محروميت خود را پشت سر گذاشته است و به اين ترتيب مقابل پاس همدان نيز محروم است.

He will be allowed to play against Peykan. Furthermore he apologizes but he want the Disciplinary Committee to stop allowing the reporters to interview them, straight after the match and stuff like that, because players are under mental pressure after the game and say/do things they might regret.

Amin_

10-20-2008, 06:21 PM

Thax for the news pieces Kasra jaan.

Amir Abadi is great. He always does his job when he's playing and never complains when he's put on the bench. A true Esteghlali patriot! It's an honor to have him on the bench.

Manei: Good that he realizes that the criticism he wa receiving wasn't misplaced. He indeed has been poor ever seince he joined us and I hope it's true what he's claiming (about getting in form). Still, how in formhe may be, he needs to let the set pieces to someone else!

Koushki needs to realize that it's part of being a professional player. However, I must add that Iranian reporters can be a pain in the ass and don't know their limit. Also, what happened after the derby was just an incident, considering what happened with Qn and how upset Koushki was.

Agha Kasra

10-20-2008, 06:28 PM

Thax for the news pieces Kasra jaan.
.
Chakeretam dadashh :bow::cheerblu:

Mr Pouya

10-20-2008, 06:29 PM

Chakeretam dadashh :bow::cheerblu:
ma bishtar :cheered:

shayan_esteghlali

10-20-2008, 07:40 PM

i love amir-abadi (as u see from my user name!!) he is a true eseghlal patriot!!!
i went to the esteghlal-sepahan game this season at azadi and when amir-abadi was warming up and people called his name he said hi and waived back, but other players like koushki, alizadeh, nouri just ignored!!

Arashi_Washi

10-20-2008, 07:41 PM

ma bishtar :cheered:
:D :rofl:

Good luck to Esteghlal today, should be a good game.
I will be watching it.

Prediction.

Esteghlal Tehran-Pas Hamedan 2-3

Agha Kasra

10-20-2008, 07:47 PM

ma bishtar :cheered:
Mokhlesaaaaaam :cheerblu:

Mr Pouya

10-20-2008, 07:48 PM

Mokhlesaaaaaam :cheerblu:
chakerimm :cheered:

shayan_esteghlali

10-20-2008, 07:48 PM

Arashi_Washi

10-20-2008, 07:56 PM

^^^^dude u make me laugh:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:
do u acctually think this inform esteghlal will lose to pas?!?!! LOL
if tomorow u think esteghlal will lose to pas 3-2 then perspolis will lose to pas if they played them tomorow 4-0!
i love ur post and i think u are one of the best members on this site, please be realistic and dont let ur perspolisiness (if thats even a word:D) get in the way of ur common sense!!!:D
thank you very much:eyebrows:
edit: this is a reply to arashi_washis post ;)

Aziz, the way i see it. Is this.

There is 2 points here.

1st point regarding Persepolis that you mentioned, we beat them 3-1, Thank you very much.

2nd point id like to make is.

Pas Hamedan in their 6 home games so far this season, they stand undefeated.

So if we are talking common sense here, i think Esteghlal are the ones on la la land thinking they will stroll into Hamedan and walk away with victory.

;) I am using my common sense. And its not being biased saying Esteghlal will loose in 1 of the toughest away turfs in the League

Amin_

10-20-2008, 08:29 PM

Yeah it definately going to be a very hard game, and don't be surprised if the game ends in a draw. Playing Pas away is one of the toughest matches any team can play.

Even though SS seems to be playing good football, we still have finishing problems and not always very consistent at the back, and Pas always stands strong against both SS and PP, specially at home. I hope for a victory of course, but I think it's gonna end in a draw, probably 1-1 (with hopefully Borhani scoring against his former team).

shayan_esteghlali

10-20-2008, 09:00 PM

Aziz, the way i see it. Is this.

There is 2 points here.

1st point regarding Persepolis that you mentioned, we beat them 3-1, Thank you very much.

2nd point id like to make is.

Pas Hamedan in their 6 home games so far this season, they stand undefeated.

So if we are talking common sense here, i think Esteghlal are the ones on la la land thinking they will stroll into Hamedan and walk away with victory.

;) I am using my common sense. And its not being biased saying Esteghlal will loose in 1 of the toughest away turfs in the League
i did not do know that :D srry 4 my mistake;) but i still think esteghlal will win 10-0;)

yashar_fasihnia

10-21-2008, 05:32 AM

Agha Kasra

10-21-2008, 05:34 AM

agha in Ali Chicago ham dahane maro servis kard, khodesh hey miad mige, Bacheha kojaeen, Esteghlalia biain inja jam shin, hala ke ma hamegi oomadim, agha khodesh nist :D

yashar_fasihnia

10-21-2008, 05:53 AM

btw, kasra jan, thanx for the news!:cheers:

be omide 3 emityaze emruz va yek pelo nazdik shodan be sadre jadval, jayegahe haghighiye ma SARVARA!!!

ESTEGHLAL 2 - 1 PAS!!!
:cheerblu:

Agha Kasra

10-21-2008, 05:59 AM

btw, kasra jan, thanx for the news!:cheers:

be omide 3 emityaze emruz va yek pelo nazdik shodan be sadre jadval, jayegahe haghighiye ma SARVARA!!!

ESTEGHLAL 2 - 1 PAS!!!
:cheerblu:
Mokhlesetam daaash :cheerblu:

IranJavidan

10-21-2008, 09:00 AM

washi, its minute 73 now, 3-1 esteghlal....

either apologize, or take ur predictions to ur soorakh team's thread :D:D:D

shayan20

10-21-2008, 09:01 AM

jabari shireh!

damesh garm.

IranJavidan

10-21-2008, 09:18 AM

washi it's 4-1 esteghlal.... aslan bikhial, bia esteghlali sho :bow:

IranJavidan

10-21-2008, 09:22 AM

4-2 game over, bacheha motshakerimmm:cheerblu: :cheerblu: :cheerblu:

jabbari mvp,

akbarpour mr assist

borhani scored a beauty

and juanario is da shittt!

Agha Kasra

10-21-2008, 09:26 AM

:D :rofl:

Good luck to Esteghlal today, should be a good game.
I will be watching it.

Prediction.

Esteghlal Tehran-Pas Hamedan 2-3
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

RIDI ba in predictionet :rofl:

shayan20

10-21-2008, 09:28 AM

mobareketoon bashe.
golbaran bood emrooz to hamedan.

Jabari is a rel asset to SS so is the new guy, Heydari.

kaz

10-21-2008, 09:32 AM

Amir Ghalenoi-e! Sarvare Harchi Longiye!

kaz

10-21-2008, 09:33 AM

So if we are talking common sense here, i think Esteghlal are the ones on la la land thinking they will stroll into Hamedan and walk away with victory.

That's what we just did ;).

The-Red

10-21-2008, 09:50 AM

Ali Chicago

10-21-2008, 09:59 AM

agha in Ali Chicago ham dahane maro servis kard, khodesh hey miad mige, Bacheha kojaeen, Esteghlalia biain inja jam shin, hala ke ma hamegi oomadim, agha khodesh nist :D

Kasra Jaan;

You are right, my bad dadash. I have a whole host of personal and work issues, beleive me, it is a tough time for me now. But I still accept your criticizem and appologize to blue fans. Main reason is I can't watch the games live (so don't want to know the results) and then I dont' dare to come to SS fan threads or even football thread much (to not know the result).

But still sorry blue fans. Congrats for the win, by the look of it a 4-2 victory sounds very good, hope team played well too.

P.S. This visit means I saw the result and won't be as exciting to watch the game later on the internet.:D

Agha Kasra

10-21-2008, 10:03 AM

Kasra Jaan;

You are right, my bad dadash. I have a whole host of personal and work issues, beleive me, it is a tough time for me now. But I still accept your criticizem and appologize to blue fans. Main reason is I can't watch the games live (so don't want to know the results) and then I dont' dare to come to SS fan threads or even football thread much (to not know the result).

But still sorry blue fans. Congrats for the win, by the look of it a 4-2 victory sounds very good, hope team played well too.

P.S. This visit means I saw the result and won't be as exciting to watch the game later on the internet.:D
Na baba aziz, mokhlesetam agha. I was just kidding, I hope everything solves quickly and you can continue your nice and quiet life:D.. .

Amin_

10-21-2008, 10:06 AM

Ok I was wrong with my prediction, but I really didn't expect such a Pas team, or should I say such a SS team :eyebrows: Pas was undefeated in Hamadan and hadn't lost their last 4 games, so no one would expect such a big victory by SS.

We play good football nowadays, it reminds me of the SS team that won the title 3 years ago. Imagine what we would do with a natural goalscorer, with all the chances we're creating in every match.

With a finisher and some work on the defense, this team could win the league, and do well in ACL.

:cheerblu: Bacheha motchakerim! :cheerblu:

The-Red

10-21-2008, 10:12 AM

With a finisher and some work on the defense, this team could win the league, and do well in ACL.
:cheerblu: Bacheha motchakerim! :cheerblu:
and that's the key my friend....if ss can transfer this success to the ACL,,,that's the key and hope that they can...of course same with Perspolis, Sepahan and Saba.

yashar_fasihnia

10-21-2008, 10:13 AM

Aziz, the way i see it. Is this.

There is 2 points here.

1st point regarding Persepolis that you mentioned, we beat them 3-1, Thank you very much.

2nd point id like to make is.

Pas Hamedan in their 6 home games so far this season, they stand undefeated.

So if we are talking common sense here, i think Esteghlal are the ones on la la land thinking they will stroll into Hamedan and walk away with victory.

;) I am using my common sense. And its not being biased saying Esteghlal will loose in 1 of the toughest away turfs in the League

i guess common sense isnt very common nowadays arash jan :eyebrows:

yashar_fasihnia

10-21-2008, 10:18 AM

Good win for ss...congrads guys...what I like is that SS is playing offensive and winning games with scoring goals, not like the team that was under Marfavi....Jabari again showed what a talent he is and he is wasted in Iran I think...he deserves to be in Europe.

merci armin jan, good luck to ur team too!

-------------------------

we played really well!
jabbari missed an open goal and shakouri missed 2 open headers as well right infront of the goal.
we shouldnt have conceded those 2 goals, specially the 2nd goal. i guess our boys just didnt care anymore in the last 1 or 2 minutes which still shows lack of professionalism in iranian footballers!

i wasnt happy with kazemi. he had a few good tackles and saved us a few times, specialyl when gholamnejad was about to be 1 on 1 with talebloo in the counter but overall, i think he was one of the weaker players of esteghlal, manei being the other.

manei was really crap again and he needs to stop taking our set pieces.

i really think janvario can take good corner and freekicks. but im fine with either jabbari or akbari taking it as well.

i hope shakouri's injury was not serious. he is beginning to settle well in the team.

overall, another great win, and im guessing alizadeh who played ok will be starting next game as well :o

MOBARAKE HAME SARVARA bashe in bord! :cheers:

BACHEHA MOCHAKERIM!! :cheerblu:

Agha Kasra

10-21-2008, 11:55 AM

and that's the key my friend....if ss can transfer this success to the ACL,,,that's the key and hope that they can...of course same with Perspolis, Sepahan and Saba.
What happened to the news about the teams. Are we going to have 4 teams or 3 or 2 :rofl:

Agha Kasra

10-22-2008, 06:37 AM

Vingo Begovic: "Our weak defense gave 4 goals to Esteghlal as a gift"

!وینکو بگوویچ: دفاع ضعیف ما چهار گل به استقلال هدیه کرد

سرمربی تیم فوتبال پاس همدان با بیان اینکه ضعف خط دفاعی تیمش باعث شکست 4 بر 2 برابر استقلال شد گفت: اگر می خواهیم در آینده بهتر شویم باید چند بازیکن جدید جذب کنیم.

به گزارش سایت رسمی باشگاه ، وینکو بگوویچ که پس از شکست امروز تیمش برابر استقلال در جمع خبرنگاران سخن می گفت ضمن بیان این مطلب افزود: در طول یکساله گذشته ما تنها چهار بار در همدان شکست خورده ایم.

وی ادامه داد: واقعیت این است که اگر چند بازیکن را از دو تیم استقلال و پرسپولیس بگیریم آنها قدرت لازم را نخواهند داشت و توانایی پیروزی برابر تیم هایی مثل ما را ندارند. ما در این بازی چند بازیکن کلیدی مان را در اختیار نداشتیم و در ابتدای فصل هم چند بازیکن اصلی را از دست داده بودیم.

بگوویچ در ادامه خاطر نشان کرد: هر چند دو تیم بازی خوبی را به نمایش گذاشتند اما بازیکنان ما آنطور که می خواستیم نتوانستند بازی کنند.

سرمربی تیم فوتبال پاس همدان ادامه داد: استقلال با داشتن این بازیکنان فنی و با تجربه و ضعف خط دفاعی ما توانست پیروز شود و شما دیدید به خاطر ضعف خط دفاعی ما چه گلهای بدی خوردم.

وینکو بگوویچ تصریح کرد: در مجموع فکر می کنم ما به یک یا دو بازیکن خوب نیاز داریم تا با تقویت تیم پاس بتوانیم در آینده حرف های زیادی برای گفتن داشته باشیم.

وی ادامه داد: اگر این اتفاق رخ ندهد مطمئنا موفق نخواهیم بود و امیدوارم بتوانیم با گرفتن چند بازیکن خوب در آینده موفق باشیم و تماشاگران همدانی را راضی و خوشحال کنیم.

بگوویچ در پایان تاکید کرد: استقلال باتوجه به توانایی هایی که داشت توانست تیم ضعیف ما را شکست دهد و سه امتیاز را در همدان از آن خود کند.

He talks about the strength Pas has. Also that his team missed a few key players and that they lost a few key players in the beginning of the season. Furthermore he keeps repeating that Esteghlal won cuz of the defensive errors.

Arashi_Washi

10-22-2008, 06:38 AM

Congratulation to Esteghlal.
They are playing some amazing soccer.

I watched the game and you guys played some very good soccer.
Great result too.

Agha Kasra

10-22-2008, 06:56 AM

Arash we don't play soccer, we play FOOTBALL :D

Arashi_Washi

10-22-2008, 07:01 AM

Arash we don't play soccer, we play FOOTBALL :D

Harchi bood khoob bod dige...:D

Amin_

10-22-2008, 07:14 AM

Vingo Begovic: "Our weak defense gave 4 goals to Esteghlal as a gift"
lmao what?! Defensive errors on what?! How were Jabbari's goals defensive errors?! Neither was Alizadeh's. Don't know about Borhani's though. He should be happy we didn't put 2-3 more in their net, as we easily could have!

If anyone should talk about giving away goals as gifts, it should be us. The first goal they scored was an individual error byt Ghorbani who didn't mark his man well. Their second, well our players didn't even care as we were leading by 3 goals (which was very unprofessional btw).

Begovic should not complain and look for excuses; he should be happy about the score line actually.

shayan20

10-22-2008, 07:15 AM

Arash we don't play soccer, we play FOOTBALL :D
:bow: :rofl: :rofl:

djmo

10-22-2008, 07:58 AM

Arash Borhani has scored 5 goals in the last 7 games ... not bad ...

Agha Kasra

10-22-2008, 08:12 AM

Arash Borhani has scored 5 goals in the last 7 games ... not bad ...
Arash Borhani has missed 15 goals in the last 7 games ... very bad ...

Amin_

10-22-2008, 08:13 AM

Arash Borhani has missed 38 100%-er in the last 4 games ... not bad, considering it's Borhani we're talking about ...

:D

Edit - lol Kasra we posted at the same time :rofl:

Agha Kasra

10-22-2008, 08:16 AM

Arash Borhani has missed 38 100%-er in the last 4 games ... not bad, considering it's Borhani we're talking about...

:D

Edit - lol Kasra we posted at the same time :rofl:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

High five bro:D http://i175.photobucket.com/albums/w149/skins0304/EMOPOHigh20Five004HL.gif

Ali Chicago

10-22-2008, 11:57 AM

Esmail Zadeh (capitan of the U17 team) who won the Asian Championship few days ago is a member of SS U17 team. I heard SS club plans to setup a special ceremony for him and recognize him. Good to see SS youth program despite all its shortcoming still delivers players to our football.

Amin_

10-22-2008, 12:26 PM

^^^ He really was impressive. I hope they coach and guide him well, so one day, when the time is right, he can be introduced to our senior team.

Siavash

10-22-2008, 12:43 PM

^ congrats Amin Khan

ShirFarhad

10-22-2008, 01:03 PM

Arash Borhani has missed 15 goals in the last 7 games ... very bad ...

Well Kasra jan, it doesn't matter if he misses 50 chances, if he manages to score one goal each match its a great ratio for a striker, especially for someone like Borhani.

Agha Kasra

10-22-2008, 01:04 PM

Well Kasra jan, it doesn't matter if he misses 50 chances, if he manages to score one goal each match its a great ratio for a striker, especially for someone like Borhani.
Aziz when you look at his effectivity you see it's 1/50, is that good for a striker?

BTW Farhad jaan, I'm not able to see Borhani's goal at your site, why :confused:

ShirFarhad

10-22-2008, 01:18 PM

Aziz when you look at his effectivity you see it's 1/50, is that good for a striker?

BTW Farhad jaan, I'm not able to see Borhani's goal at your site, why :confused:

Well it doesn't matter, surely he misses a lot chances, too many even, but most of these chances are created because of his speed and his ability, now if he manages to score one of these chances each match, then he's doing great.

Thanks for notifying Kasra jan, seems like I forgot to upload it. I formatted my PC but I forgot to copy some files therefore I had some problems with creating the videos too, which has caused some large borders..

Ghormeh Sabzi

10-22-2008, 01:24 PM

AGHE HAMINTURI BAAZI KONIM WE CAN BE IN THE TOP THREE FOR SURE

:cheerblu::cheerblu::cheerblu::cheerblu:

Agha Kasra

10-22-2008, 08:58 PM

Well it doesn't matter, surely he misses a lot chances, too many even, but most of these chances are created because of his speed and his ability, now if he manages to score one of these chances each match, then he's doing great.

Thanks for notifying Kasra jan, seems like I forgot to upload it. I formatted my PC but I forgot to copy some files therefore I had some problems with creating the videos too, which has caused some large borders..
Well I think, IMO he should score more, the problem is that he doesn't find the "charchoob". He creates it, but f*cks it up, sometimes when he can pass it he doesn't, and the other times when he has to go alone he passes :rolleyes:. His decisionmaking is very weak and his shooting, scoring accuracy is weaker than anything else

shayan_esteghlali

10-22-2008, 09:07 PM

Esteghlal Ghahreman!!!

kaz

10-23-2008, 02:23 AM

The next few weeks are crucial for Esteghlal fans. We play Paykan and Zob Ahan. Bargh will also be playing Paykan and Zob Ahan too. So a few wins in a row will change the table around dramatically.

yashar_fasihnia

10-23-2008, 06:16 AM

true kazem jan.
im specially looking forward to the peykan game.

they seem to be on fire specially their attack line!!
if we can beat zobahan and peykan, we can gain 6 points and not let them get any points at the same time and might even leap frog them to the top of the table!!

very exciting, but one thing that im always worried about is wat are we gonna do when we miss either of jabbari, janvario or heydari?? :fear:

Agha Kasra

10-23-2008, 07:06 AM

شكوري در گفت و گو با فارس: امير قلعه نويي از ساختار دفاعي تيم استقلال انتقاد كرد

خبرگزاري فارس: مدافع تيم فوتبال استقلال گفت: امير قلعه نويي به خط دفاع انتقاد نكرد؛ بلكه به ساختار تيم ايراد گرفت.

هادي شكوري در گفت و گو با خبرنگار فارس درباره انتقاد امير قلعه نويي به خط دفاع استقلال پس از پيروزي مقابل پاس اظهار داشت: انتقاد ايشان به ساختار دفاعي بود. معتقد است تيمي كه موقعيت چنداني براي گلزني نداشته، نبايد دو گل به ما بزند. اين مشكل هم حل شدني است.
وي افزود: در پنج بازي گذشته، تيم ما فقط دو گل دريافت كرده و 18 گل به ثمر رسانده است. اين آمار نشان مي*دهد تيم ما هجومي بازي مي كند و تيم هجومي هم در ضد حمله حريفان به مشكل مي خورد. باز هم تمام تلاش خط دفاع اين است كه جبران كنيم.
شكوري در مورد ديدار ديروز عنوان كرد: بازي محكمي را در همدان به نمايش گذاشتيم. قبلا هم گفته بوديم در همدان باز يسختي را پيش رو داريم. جو ورزشگاه به نفع ان ها بود.
اين مدافع تصريح كرد: در ادامه مسابقات از اين هم بهتر مي شويم. مقابل برق هم روي اتفاقات فوتبالي سه امتياز را بگيريم.
وي در مورد مصدوميت خود مقابل پاس گفت: در اوايل نيمه دوم با دروازه بان حريف برخورد كردم. همان لحظه احساس كردم نمي توانم به بازي ادامه دهم و در آخر هم بعداز برخورد با مهاجم پاس مچ پايم آسيب ديد. اكنون مشكل خاصي ندارم و با دو روز فيزيوتراپي مشكلم برطرف مي شود.
شكوري كه پيش از اين اعلام كرده بود اين فصل براي آبي پوشان هشت گل به ثمر مي رساند، گفت: هنوز هم روي حرف خود هستم. براي اين موضوع گل اول را كم دارم. پايم به گلزني باز شود به قولم عمل مي كنم

Ali Chicago

10-23-2008, 10:10 AM

..... His decisionmaking is very weak and his shooting, scoring accuracy is weaker than anything else

I don't want to criticize Iranian players, but that decision making among many of them is poor. Right now that decision making and anticipation is the main achilis of the central defenders in Iran from SS and specially PP and even TM. Don't mean to justify Borhani's action, just a general comment.

Agha Kasra

10-23-2008, 10:16 AM

I don't want to criticize Iranian players, but that decision making among many of them is poor. Right now that decision making and anticipation is the main achilis of the central defenders in Iran from SS and specially PP and even TM. Don't mean to justify Borhani's action, just a general comment.
Yes definately, but the thing is a striker needs to make decisions all the time, he should know where to put the ball before he gets it, agreed:D?

Ali Chicago

10-23-2008, 10:26 AM

Yes definately, but the thing is a striker needs to make decisions all the time, he should know where to put the ball before he gets it, agreed:D?

Yes, my post wasn't to disagree with your comment, but you can say the same thing about the centeral defenders as well. As a matter of fact a mistake by a forward as crucial as it is, in comparison to a bad decision by a central defender (who can lead to a goal for opponent) isn't as bad.

Again, I totally agree with what you are saying, my comment is in general, decision making among most of our players is really poor. Borhani, due to his speed and movement without the ball puts himself in good situation, but that in turn exposes his weak decision making more. One of the things that make Jabbari shine is his decision making I think.

Agha Kasra

10-23-2008, 10:43 AM

Yes, my post wasn't to disagree with your comment, but you can say the same thing about the centeral defenders as well. As a matter of fact a mistake by a forward as crucial as it is, in comparison to a bad decision by a central defender (who can lead to a goal for opponent) isn't as bad.

Again, I totally agree with what you are saying, my comment is in general, decision making among most of our players is really poor. Borhani, due to his speed and movement without the ball puts himself in good situation, but that in turn exposes his weak decision making more. One of the things that make Jabbari shine is his decision making I think.
aaight:D miscommunication aziz.. I hate it :angel:

but yess you're right. in general iranian players are weak at decision making. Jabbari has a strength in that. But when you compare Majidi with Borhani, Majidi's decision making is better as borhanis. That is one of the reasons why I think that Majidi should start with Akbarpour, and then one of them should be subbed of for Borhani, he can penetrate the opponents (tired) defense with his speed and technique (but as always, his scoring sucks:D)

yashar_fasihnia

10-23-2008, 11:35 AM

thanx for the news article kasra jan.
its good to hear hadi shakouri's injury was minor :)

The-Red

10-23-2008, 01:07 PM

Arashi_Washi

10-23-2008, 07:58 PM

I must say I had missed those days when Perspolis and esteghlal were neck and neck in the standings and every week there was real competition between the two...the last few seasons we had one or the other or both out of the race and now days the league is surely more exciting with both in top 5 with realistic chance of going for the title 'til the end.
It reminds me of the 80s and 90s lol but now even better since there are so many other quality teams in the league.

I think its good this way.
Our league is improving, other teams are improving.

The fact that Peykan moved to Qazvin and have 5000 etc or full stadiums watching their games goes to show what a great move it was.

I mean what would be exiting seeing PP and Es Es back to back every year.

We have some strong teams in Iran now, with the fact that 4spots is given to us.
Our league has really spiced up with top 3 will now qualify for the AFC CL.

Hopefully it will only get stronger and stronger.
But, Persepolis should still win a back to back championship :D

shayan_esteghlali

10-25-2008, 11:28 PM

come one ESTEGHLAL FANS, keep this thread alive!!
ESES CHEKARESH MIKONEH??????

Agha Kasra

10-26-2008, 06:49 AM

Our thread is alive mister:D

Agha Kasra

10-26-2008, 06:53 AM

Jabbari: "I play football because of my father"

جباري: فوتبال را به خاطر پدر مرحومم بازي مي*كنم

خبرگزاري فارس: هافبك تيم فوتبال استقلال تهران گفت: همانطور كه از قبل گفته بودم فوتبال را به خاطر مرحوم پدرم بازي مي*كنم و اميدوارم او از من راضي باشد.

مجتبي جباري در گفت و گو با خبرنگار فارس، در باره بازي استقلال مقابل پاس اظهار داشت: خوشحالم كه توانستيم در شهرستان بازي خوبي را انجام دهيم. بيشتر از اين بابت خوشحالم كه استقلال روند حرفه*اي را پيش گرفته است.
وي افزود: اينكه فرقي نمي كند در چه ورزشگاهي و مقابل چه تيمي بازي كنيم و مي توانيم با قدرت هر تيمي را در هر جايي شكست دهيم، جاي خرسندي دارد.
جباري كه مقابل پاس بازي خوبي به نمايش گذاشت و دو گل از 4 گل تيمش را به ثمر رساند در اين باره عنوان كرد: گل*هايي كه من زدم زحمت ساير بازيكنان بود. آنها من را در شرايط گلزني قرار دادند و از همه همبازيانم ممنون هستم.
اين هافبك خاطرنشان ساخت: اين دو گل را به روح پدرم تقديم مي*كنم چون فوتبال را به خاطر او بازي مي كنم.

Agha Kasra

10-26-2008, 06:56 AM

Esteghlal is without any suspended or injured players

استقلال بدون محروم و مصدوم

تيم فوتبال استقلال تهران روز دوشنبه و از هفته دوازدهم ليگ برتر ميزبان پيكان قزوين خواهد بود.

به گزارش گروه خبرگزاري ورزش ايران (ايپنا) امير قلعه نوعي در اين بازي تمامي نفراتش را در اختيار دارد. تنها مصدوم آنها هادي شكوري بود كه با چند جلسه فيزيوتراپي بعد از بازي با پاس همدان به شرايط بازي رسيده است.

نتيجه اين بازي با توجه به جايگاه دو تيم براي ساير تيم هاي بالاي جدول هم از اهميت بسيار زيادي برخوردار است.

Agha Kasra

10-26-2008, 06:57 AM

Taghipour: "We should not underrate any team"

ابراهيم تقي پور گفت: "سعي مي*كنيم با ادامه اين روند استقلال را قهرمان نيم فصل كنيم."

بازيكن تيم فوتبال استقلال در گفت و گو با خبرگزاري ورزش ايران (ايپنا) اظهار داشت: "تيم فوتبال استقلال تيم بسيار پرقدرتي بوده و در حال حاضر نيز از شرايط بسيار ايده آلي برخوردار است."

وي ادامه داد:* "بازيكنان استقلال خوب تمرين و در اين چند روز خود را آماده كرده*اند تا در ديدار مقابل پيكان نيز 3 امتياز بازي را به دست بياورند. در حال حاضر سعي مي كنيم روند رو به رشد استقلال را حفظ كنيم تا در پايان نيم فصل قهرمان شويم."

وي خاطرنشان كرد: "استقلال هنوز جا دارد كه بهتر شود، ولي به نظرم براي اينكه موفق شويم هيچ تيمي را نبايد دست كم گرفت."

تقي پور در پايان گفت:* "متاسفانه طي هفته هاي گذشته عده اي شيطنت*هايي كرده بودند كه ظاهراً از نتيجه*گيري استقلال خوشحال نمي*شوند. من به عنوان بازيكن تيم به هواداران قول مي دهم كه همه تلاش را براي قهرماني تيم به كار بگيريم."

Agha Kasra

10-26-2008, 06:59 AM

Vaez Ashtiani is allowed to go to the AFC seminar

واعظ آشتياني در سمينار اي اف سي شركت مي*كند

خبرگزاري فارس: با پيگيري كميته روابط بين*الملل فدراسيون فوتبال، مديرعامل باشگاه استقلال در سمينار مديران در مقر كنفدراسيون فوتبال آسيا شركت مي*كند.

به گزارش خبرگزاري فارس، امير واعظ آشتياني بامداد دوشنبه هفته جاري براي شركت در سمينار مديران تيم*هاي آسيايي در اي اف سي به مالزي سفر مي*كند.
پس از اينكه كنفدراسيون آسيا به دليل دير ارسال شدن اسامي مديران باشگاه* استقلال به كنفدارسيون فوتبال آسيا نام آنها را از حضور در سمينار مديران تيم*هاي آسيايي حذف كرده بود، روابط بين*الملل فدراسيون فوتبال ايران با ارسال نامه*اي به اي اف سي به دليل تغيير مديريت در اين باشگاه خواستار قبول مدارك جديد اين باشگاه شد و كنفدراسيون فوتبال آسيا نيز پس از بررسي نامه با درخواست فدراسيون فوتبال ايران مبني بر حضور واعظ آشتياني در اين جلسه موافقت كرد.
مدير عامل باشگاه استقلال كه صبح امروز از فراهم شدن شرايط حضور خود در اين سمينار مطلع شد، دوشنبه صبح براي شركت در اين سمينار به مالزي مي*رود.