What is wrong with TM?

[Ala]

We are wondering:

What is wrong with Karimi?
What is wrong with Ando?
What is wrong with our defense?
What is wrong with our midfield?
What is wrong with Enayati?
What is wrong with Kaabi?
What is wrong with Roudbarian?
What is wrong with Nekonum?
Why are we easily submitting goals?
Why ...
Why ...

Have you ever thought that when so many players play below their level,
when we come back from goals down by sheer player individual capabilities,
then something else may actually be wrong?

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[benreyhani15]

there is nothing wrong with TM

the real question is what is wrong with the other asian powerhouses, South Korea, Australia, etc.

[EZLN]

Nothing.. just having a bad start

[peyman117]

based on this asian cup games, after japan, iran is the best.(in my opinion)
i think our players were nervous in the last two games because they wanted to advance to the next round and they wanted to finish at top of the table. everybody know iran is coming to win the cup so our opponents give all they have.TM is under alot of pressure. we will get better after malaysia game.

[foadm_2000]

Nothing.. just having a bad start

I guess this bad start is gonna lead to a bad finish as well. TM basically doesnt have any team organization.

[persianballer]

its the coach's fault .. gand zadeh be tarkib

[Sam van Dam]

well first of all we had shitty friendlies
2.every1 is outta position
3.kaebi barely plays
4.we got no heart and we aint hungry
5.GN SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
6.WE NEED SHOJAEI MAN BORHANI TOO he can do everything enayati cant do

[Ala]

they start confused, receive goals, then work very hard to get back
into the game and make a come back.

this is a very obvious sign that there is no planned system and players
make their own during the game. the fact that team heavily relies on
hard work of few individuals shows that there is no balance in the team

so far, we have made it by individual talents and good physical strength
in a way, we've been very lucky to come back since our opponents wore
down before us

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[foadno]

We are wondering:

What is wrong with Karimi?
What is wrong with Ando?
What is wrong with our defense?
What is wrong with our midfield?
What is wrong with Enayati?
What is wrong with Kaabi?
What is wrong with Roudbarian?
What is wrong with Nekonum?
Why are we easily submitting goals?
Why ...
Why ...

Have you ever thought that when so many players play below their level,
when we come back from goals down by sheer player individual capabilities,
then something else may actually be wrong?

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First of all I must say I am very happy with the second half of the game....we looked like team that was there to chnage the score! BUT AFSOOOOOOOS va 100 afsoooooos ke hamishe bayad dir bejonbim.

What is wrong with Karimi?
>>>> The guy is lacking something. As if he is not there or not himself. We all know what he is capable of - I only hope he finds his form soon.
What is wrong with Ando?
>>>> I think in the second half he did good - was very active and fighting spirit was there agan. Good sign.
What is wrong with our defense?
>>>> That is not something new my friend...we need to work so much harder. I think Kaebi was rather good and could have played the rest of the game. He brings speed to the defence, which is what we are missing I think. We have physical, tall and strong pair in the middle and we could use the speed of Kabi.
What is wrong with our midfield?
>>>> The second half was good in total. Mehdi was a bit shaking though!!!
What is wrong with Enayati?
>>>> EVERYTHING
What is wrong with Kaabi?
>>>> I thin he didnt do bad
What is wrong with Roudbarian?
>>>> Who knows....one day excellent....today....normal!
What is wrong with Nekonum?
>>>> The same as Ando. Improved alot in the second half.
Why are we easily submitting goals?
>>>> If you ask me it is the arrange of the teram that sucks. I hate to say it, but I think GN is 1 selfish dumb guy. Zandi should play left wing, Enayati should not play at all....
Why ...
>>>> Everytime I am about to get a bloody heart attack for the TM game
Why ...

[Ghomarbaaz]

Answer to your questioin:
1. Crappy Coach
2. Our line of forward s.ucks! (out of the 4 goals scored so far, only 1 has been from a forward, which was actually a substitite!)

[pajamNL]

GN is the problem of TM! with his crazy line up, no tactics and no opponent knowledge

[persianballer]

GN isnt that bad of a coach, vali kheili dare eshtebah mikoneh...ba in tarkib e ashghale toonest har do dafe bazio avaz kone....he needs to change the starting formation thats all

[Ali Chicago]

Team is gelling together.
Other countries are progressing as well and many fans don't appreciate that.
Over expectation of some fans that expect every game b1 10-0 for Iran
Negative atmosphere by people like Kaas nezahd, Attef and Maral Raouf , in newpapers who magnify every problem.
Negative atmosphere who questions TM coach (despite his shortcomings) which at this stage won't be fruitful.

There are a lots that are good. But Ala khan (AKA Perspolis) isn't interested in those.

[peyman117]

guys I was wondering if Indonesia ends second place and Iran ends first place, Indonesia comes to malaysia or TM goes to indonesia?

[The Realist]

GN and his tactical staff simply don't have in-depth international experience to come up with an organised and pre-planned tactic. The only reason we have come back in these games is the experience and know-how of our more European based experienced players.

[Ala]

GN and his tactical staff simply don't have in-depth international experience to come up with an organised and pre-planned tactic. The only reason we have come back in these games is the experience and know-how of our more European based experienced players.


the unfortunate thing is that Qalenoi does not even believe in tactics and
systems. i remember one of his criticisms in branko era was that any coach
can get the same results with the team because to him its the players that
determine the outcome, not the coaching or the system. he was using that
arguement against hiring "expensive" foreign coaches. Now, we see excatly
the same mentality governing TM. Our players "gel together" on their own.

The problem is, they need 20-30 minutes to "gel together" somehow and that
gives opponents ample time to inflict damages (as in Uzb and China game).
Also, a good coach can demolish a planless team that "gel together" on their won.

Khodaa Rahm Koneh

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[Shayan_M]

I guess it's the iranian culture. We only use our full potential when we know we're in deep shit!

[Bling Dawg]

Here's my questions,
Why are we unbeaten?
Why are we going through to the next round?
Why is our team showing so much spirit, with their never say die attitude?
Why oh why oh why!

[Shahin K]

I guess it's the iranian culture. We only use our full potential when we know we're in deep shit!

lol yeah, same with studies and stuff

[Amirza]

what is wrong with TM ?

How about the fact that no "Thinking" or game plan goes into TM. Our coach just like the other migit coaches we have had in the past - do not create a team based on any special tactics - just out of available players. For example - we still don't know if this TM is ground oriented or air oriented !!? with skillfull technical players like Kia, Karimi, Kaabi, Ando, Nekou,.... one would think we would tend to play a ground game utilizing our skills and speed of players like Kazemian and Hashemian - yet we see a starter like Enayati who will defuse all such plans. I have nothing against enayati - for instance he mey be a good choice against the smaller Malaysian team - which begs an air tactic - but our coach is just too small to have an idealogy and select players for that specific game plan.

[Payam_Ali]

i dont think teymourian has done anything special the last two games.. and why is his name spelled timotian on the jersey..

also.. hashemian needs to stop trying to dribble the whole defense.. his ball control sucks.. hes a finisher.. thats all..

i thought mobali played well.. he can shoot from far out, which opens up the defense..

[FeLFeL]

Enayati, Khatibi bayad khat bokhoran jashoon Badamaki Va Borhani bian, That's what's wrong.

[Rumez]

I think what is wrong is the hight expectations of 90% of this forums members!
You guys have been talking about revenge as if we just came back from beating Germany and France and we are set to revenge China!
What do you expect when your team plays crap against Uzbeks? You can expect some improvement (hopefully. Depending how much you believe in GN!), but you can't expect us to make "chicken salad from chicken Sh!t!"

I warned in my post in the "I want revenge..." that although I want revenge so much, but I'm not sure this team will be the team to deliver.

I actually think we played far better than last game and it least I can say GN's coaching is not totally crap! He made some positive changes and the rest was TM players taking care of the business Iranian style (or Ali-Asghari style in other words!)

Bringing Kaebi was imoprtant. Subbing Karimi was a very brave and admirable move by GN. Kazemian as I expected did not help much which proves the fact that he was lucky with the man of the match award!
Enayati needed to be subbed with Shojaei to add some speed, possession and technique to our team. he could've ripped through Chinese defense and get free kicks for us. At a time where non of players deared to run straight through the Chinese defense he was a perfect choice IMO.

[payman.T]

guys I was wondering if Indonesia ends second place and Iran ends first place, Indonesia comes to malaysia or TM goes to indonesia?


We will stay in malaysia, they would have to travel to us.:)

[Rumez]

By the way, let's not think we are entitled to a 6-0 win over Malaysia or then we might be surprised again!
I mean the question should be:

"Why do we expect soooo much from TM?"*
(Considering the fact GN in not a real coach!)

*I'm not questioning the abilities of the TM players.

[teammelli34]

I guess this bad start is gonna lead to a bad finish as well. TM basically doesnt have any team organization.
exactly what i was gonna say, in the first half they had NO organization, what was wrong with them??

[doody82]

every thing is wrong from the coach till the line ups and players ... i wont believe in this team next round if bahrain saudi or korea we face we are out ... horrible team

[pajamNL]

Here's my questions,
Why are we unbeaten?
Why are we going through to the next round?
Why is our team showing so much spirit, with their never say die attitude?
Why oh why oh why!

because we've got the individual quality! IMO Iran had the most gifted asian team for the last decade, the reason we weren't succesfull (And no, ending third twice in AC the lst 10 years and qualifiying twice for the WC, but only gather 4 points doesnt make it an succesfull period, not even close with the quality in hand!) can be brought back to three fundamental problems;

- League Quality

This causes that our players that play in IPL don't get the proper resistance (don't how to call it better :D ) and don't grow in their ability as much as they should and could, let alone to get some good match practice/experience. Which is followed by our players leaving towards equally poor leagues, with the only difference that they payroll is fatter.

- IFF

Wit an federation that lacks management skills, let alone technical know how, we always have a shaky preparation with last minute changes. We need to make things simple, organized and atleast an 2 year forecast, so our players that play their game all the way in europe know what they can expect and get the rest to fire when needed.

- Lack of technical knowledge/(quality) hired guidance

How can an Iranian coach being a good choice in the first place? The most simple reason not is, because our soccer level is too low to have coaches, technical knowledge that can outplay any foreign choice! We all saw what a good coach can do (S.Korea, Japan, Australia), its time we get our piece.
We need a foreign coach if we want quality and no, not an assistant of an WC coach or some b rated brasilian coach, we have to put money on table for Hiddink kind of knowledge!! No its not impossible, if you're accepting a stay in Korea or some Arab country, Iran isn't that bad! But it needs smart educated business style of a man, who lures such coach to Iran, with money, with a 2 day 'tourist/promote' trip in Teheran and some nice places, so the guy can get a chance to see what its really about.
It is possible to get a foreign coach of the highest quality, believe it only takes what i said!


So concluding: If we manage to start at the beginning and manage our own IPL right and making it better every year, by again, good managing in the federation and a forecast for our national teams, taken care of by an worldclass coach, will actually make our players, thus our TM better, which will be followed by more attention for Iranian soccers, which means more transfers to europe of our players, which shows them off more, etc etc...

[abtin_32]

Guys, please stop being so black and white. No, GN is not the best coach. He makes some mistakes like every other below-world-class coach. Yes, he obviously shouldn't play Zandi as LB or keep that handicapped Enayati on for 90 minutes while Madanchi or Kabi are out. BUT, he is obviously doing SOMETHING right if TM has such good come back in the second half- THE COACHES' HALF. His subs have been mostly good and effective. He must have done a good job to motivate the players at half time, and inject that fighting spirit into them... These are all positive things. So, lets try to be look at things from an unbiased point of view, and see everything the way it is, not every coach (or anything else for that matter) is either BAD/DUMB or AMAZING.

And as for not having a tactic or something, what are you basing that on? Can you define "tactic"? precisely? No team does or SHOULD be either totally *ground-oriented* or *air-oriented*. Those that are only one of these, aren't good teams. I personally have seen a lot of improvement in the way we attack now, compared to say Branko era. There is much more movement and harmony and ideas when attacking. These are all part of these tactics that ppl keep throwing around.


We are wondering:
What is wrong with Karimi?
What is wrong with Ando?
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Ando has been excellent in the last two games imo. I don't know what you are talking about..

Karimi, on the other hand, has just signed a contract with the Qatari team. His khiaal is rahat. And given his rather lazy character, he is simply not making as much an effort as he probably would if he was trying to attract clubs' attentions. He is still a useful player and i think he had a good game against Uzbek but i am not seeing him trying his ass off, just cause he doesn't feel the need to..

[Amin_]

The team spirit has never been so high before. This team has gelled together way more in 1 year than ever was the case in Branko's 5 years!

After 5 years, Branko's "team" was falling apart, there was no team spirit at all, because of his laj bzi and stubborness!


We're unbeaten and have practically alreay qualified to the next round, after having played two of the hardest matches in all first round groups. In AC 2004 we were having 4 points from matches agianst Thailand and Oman :rolleyes: and were lucky we had to play Japan in our last match, who didn't do sh!t since they'd already qualified.

Now that the team's gelling together, it's because of the players self and nothing to do with the coach right?? :rolleyes: lol yeah whatever...

The fittness of our players is great. We totally outplayed both Uzbekistan and China from the half hour mark. The players are willing to give everything for eachother.


"What is wrong with this..." and "what is wrong with that" you ask? The better question is what's wrong with "fans" like you, whom even during the Asian Cup itself, love to create hashiyeh and negative vibes.


I didn't like Branko and his tactics one bit, but at least during the WC I was standing behind my team, which also involves the coach!

[kaz]

Team is gelling together.
Other countries are progressing as well and many fans don't appreciate that.
Over expectation of some fans that expect every game b1 10-0 for Iran
Negative atmosphere by people like Kaas nezahd, Attef and Maral Raouf , in newpapers who magnify every problem.
Negative atmosphere who questions TM coach (despite his shortcomings) which at this stage won't be fruitful.
There are a lots that are good. But Ala khan (AKA Perspolis) isn't interested in those.

Well said.

In response to the question posed by the thread:

The problem is Ala, and fans like Ala who have no interest in the team doing well at all. This much is vividly clear. Not all of us want us to win or want to acknowledge any good thing about the team and instead harp on what is debatable. Shame, for someone like Ala who himself was singing the song of Unity just a year ago. The definition of a hypocrite.

[dehdari]

Guys, please stop being so black and white. No, GN is not the best coach. He makes some mistakes like every other below-world-class coach...

Is it so difficulty to know why?. We have 7 players playing in best leagues of Europe, and other that very soon will land there (Hossieny and Noosrati). Now take a look at our first round oppoennts: Uzbak and China they together 1-2 palying in that level. Is it too much to ask why QN and his 12 men "technical"team are failing to show that they have plan for the game rather than using game -plan: lets play with them and find out what we should do once during the game. This is what you called QN strenght and skill. This is called hayder -haydery style of local neighboorhood game plans.

Your logic is analgous to saying lets make Mr not-so-good as Director of an important company and hope that he learns from him early mistakes?

TM is not a place for traning coaches. Make it worst those that lack the basic s of modern footbal.

Outr legionner are used to work with Coaches that have many years of experince and mastering the modern footbal kowledge. These players laugh and redicule QN and NE and others practice and team-organization. Even QN admitted that "they not listen to me". Almost all of them they know much about today modern footbal than "the coach". If the coach/teacher is less educated or knowldgable than his players/students you can guewss what a mess the team/class might be.

Just look around and find how many times these players have praised QN for his knowledge/leadership/skills. The find out how many times Ivich/Blazoovich/Dehdari and others were praised by thier players.

If our players are progressing is nothing to do with Incomptent QN they have learned have on how to improve themselve and how play with others.

[dehdari]

Well said.

In response to the question posed by the thread:

The problem is Ala, and fans like Ala who have no interest in the team doing well at all. This much is vividly clear. Not all of us want us to win or want to acknowledge any good thing about the team and instead harp on what is debatable. Shame, for someone like Ala who himself was singing the song of Unity just a year ago. The definition of a hypocrite.


And the shame goes back to your face (and your group) that served as hooligans of the internet during WC and bfore then. Look at the mirror and see the face of Hypocrite.

[kaz]

And the shame goes back to your face (and your group) that served as hooligans of the internet during WC and bfore then. Look at the mirror and see the face of Hypocrite.

That's funny. If I said something I said it with logic and some real standing. I didn't twist the headlines in newspapers and give everybody a half-assed translation.

And during the WC my posts were more supportive than Branko-lovers, they're there for your inspection.

P.S. it's good to see some of our more quiet members creep out of the closet every once in a while.
P.P.S.: this same genius is saying Kaabi isn't being picked because he is Arab. Be careful who you align yourself with. :o

[kaz]

Is it so difficulty to know why?. We have 7 players playing in best leagues of Europe, and other that very soon will land there (Hossieny and Noosrati). Now take a look at our first round oppoennts: Uzbak and China they together 1-2 palying in that level. Is it too much to ask why QN and his 12 men "technical"team are failing to show that they have plan for the game rather than using game -plan: lets play with them and find out what we should do once during the game. This is what you called QN strenght and skill. This is called hayder -haydery style of local neighboorhood game plans.

Wow, what logic! Wins are guaranteed when you have legionnaires. Damn, I wonder how the Saudis keeping winning or the US and Mexico seem to play well. Or even how the Socceroos are losing any match?


Your logic is analgous to saying lets make Mr not-so-good as Director of an important company and hope that he learns from him early mistakes?
TM is not a place for traning coaches. Make it worst those that lack the basic s of modern footbal.

Actually, TM is where our domestic coaches do get experience. Because really, 99% of them have no chance anywhere else. Which means we will have 0 good coaches in our country.


Outr legionner are used to work with Coaches that have many years of experince and mastering the modern footbal kowledge. These players laugh and redicule QN and NE and others practice and team-organization. Even QN admitted that "they not listen to me". Almost all of them they know much about today modern footbal than "the coach". If the coach/teacher is less educated or knowldgable than his players/students you can guewss what a mess the team/class might be.


LMAO @ GN saying they're not listening to him. Oh lord, is this Ala #2?

It's not that difficult. Most of our problems come from our midfield giving away too much possession. It's not like they've never stopped the ball and passed it to an open man - something that they seem to not be able to do now.


Just look around and find how many times these players have praised QN for his knowledge/leadership/skills. The find out how many times Ivich/Blazoovich/Dehdari and others were praised by thier players.
If our players are progressing is nothing to do with Incomptent QN they have learned have on how to improve themselve and how play with others.

Great logic there again. So the players saying they've been prepared well and they have confidence has nothing to do with the coach?

Our players are so good that they can have an incompetent coach and still win it? Wow, why is it that teams like Barcelona - who have the best players in the world - need a coach then? Because, as standards go, the same would apply by that silly logic.

[TM-Fan]

And the shame goes back to your face (and your group) that served as hooligans of the internet during WC and bfore then. Look at the mirror and see the face of Hypocrite.

:thumbup:

[Ala]

And the shame goes back to your face (and your group) that served as hooligans of the internet during WC and bfore then. Look at the mirror and see the face of Hypocrite.


interesting that it was OK for them to bad-mouth the coach and ridicule him
and bash him at every possible occasion. Making tens of criticisms including
problems in LB, goalie, striker, Daei, kaabi ... that today it is proved the were
unfounded.

These people destroyed Team Melli only so that their beloved club may take over.
Well, Qalenoi did take over but how many of the blue players made it to TM?

I call them gullible people who turned into tools for destruction of TM so that
unqualified people like Qalenoi seize Team Melli and turn it into a business.

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[Dreamer]

Baba jan NOTHING IS WRONG WITH TM. Be a bit more thankful!!

This is TM. What you saw today is who we are. PERIOD. BOTTOM LINE.

[Agha Kasra]

interesting that it was OK for them to bad-mouth the coach and ridicule him
and bash him at every possible occasion. Making tens of criticisms including
problems in LB, goalie, striker, Daei, kaabi ... that today it is proved the were
unfounded.

These people destroyed Team Melli only so that their beloved club may take over.
Well, Qalenoi did take over but how many of the blue players made it to TM?

I call them gullible people who turned into tools for destruction of TM so that
unqualified people like Qalenoi seize Team Melli and turn it into a business.

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:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: And Branko was very qualified :cool:

bia khayasho beboosim


He was the assistant of the coach who failed to take us to WC02, after 5 years he couldn't even talk with his players... what do you expect?

Alajaan, TM under Branko was beaten by Macedonia C and we also played our Leggionaires in EVERY match possible...

How do you expect from Ghalenoi to fill in the Goalie and Striker problem?
IF Branko used Mirza and Daei a lil less, I would've respected the guy much and much more... He is the guy who screwed us... He played 5 years with 9 same players, the only two players who were "replaced" were at leftback and leftwing.

Enayati, Borhani, Kazemian, Samereh, Rajabzadeh, Khatibi and all of our other strikers lack International experience... why? cuz he always played Ali Daei

If you're a real TM supporter, you will start support Ghalenoi as you support TM and start bashing and hating after AC 07

[dehdari]

Wow, what logic! Wins are guaranteed when you have legionnaires. Damn, I wonder how the Saudis keeping winning or the US and Mexico seem to play well. Or even how the Socceroos are losing any match?
Actually, TM is where our domestic coaches do get experience. Because really, 99% of them have no chance anywhere else. Which means we will have 0 good coaches in our country




Great logic there again. So the players saying they've been prepared well and they have confidence has nothing to do with the coach?
Our players are so good that they can have an incompetent coach and still win it? Wow, why is it that teams like Barcelona - who have the best players in the world - need a coach then? Because, as standards go, the same would apply by that silly logic.

I am sorry, I was wrong to give you more credit than you deserve. It looks you are more skilful in "safsateh" than others. Saudies, US. Mexico and other have thier own footbal culture/organization/coach/players/preparations and you can not compare apple and oranges. Nothing in my post said that coches in general have no impact on the team. I siad incompetents like QN do not posses the knowldge and skills to run TM and have meaningful impact on it.

No respectful FF uses the leadership of TM for training of a young coach with one league championshop (that many question that one) with minimal knowledge of modern footabal

Again you are using safsateh to help you. Coach should be more knowldgable/skillful/experinced than players. No matter the team and player quality. Being Barcelona or Bangaldesh. Players are first to notice that and go to thier room and laugh at him. specialy, when they know the main reason this guy have been selected as TM coach is his connections to profiteers in the segment of the goverment that use the opportunity to further avance thier objectives.

BTW. Next time I want to write something that you do not like will ask you can I creep out. YOu demonstrated closnes of your logic with likes of QN and his bosses.

[Ala]

... YOu demonstrated closnes of your logic with likes of QN and his bosses.


other also tried to discuss things with this creature with same result

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[Ali Chicago]

And the shame goes back to your face (and your group) that served as hooligans of the internet during WC and bfore then. Look at the mirror and see the face of Hypocrite.

For a moment let's accept your supposition. If something was done in the past and was wrong. Now you guys have to repeat it? It is about khoordeh hesab from the past or the now and future?

Ala/perspolis is well known for his zeal. What he and likes of him are doing can potentially hurt the TM (Creating Hashiesh again around TM). Look at Ala's posts and you be the judge.

You have a choice ot make. Either try to settle old scores or think of future.

[Ala]

... Ala/perspolis is well known for his zeal. What he and likes of him are doing can potentially hurt the TM (Creating Hashiesh again around TM). Look at Ala's posts and you be the judge...


i was making the same argument last year but same people who are criticizing
me today would not buy it then.

what is different today is that Qalenoi is not doing any coaching for the team.
As he said today, no one is listening to him. He has no plans for the team.
There is no game plan. All he does is to pick 3 players which he does it based
on maximum return for his pocket. Then, he yells at them and throws bottle

We have 3 other coaches (Mazloumi, Ebrahimi and Panjeali) each are several
times more capable than Qalenoi. In one word, Qalenoi is nothing. He can't
get hurt more than he is today. Our players coach themselves and come up
with their own game plan and sort of "gel themselves together"

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[Agha Kasra]

As he said today, no one is listening to him. He has no plans for the team.
There is no game plan. All he does is to pick 3 players which he does it based
on maximum return for his pocket. Then, he yells at them and throws bottle


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Where did he say that?

[Roxanaz]

I love our tm. but it's a slow team to take off. I mean if they are with a speedy team they just freak out. it was all over their faces today. even roudi who is calm.
they are under pressure and they make silly mistakes.

one of the commentators was saying that actually GN is helping us because the other countries can't read TM. we don't have a definite plan and we're unpredictable.
We need to support him though. because cahnging coach ever other day is not good for the team. he's getting his training onthe job and that's just the way it is.
Our TM has the same deficiencies we all suffer from and that's that.encourage them.they kep giving us heart attacks but we still love them

I mean the game wasn't that bad. Had we lost then we could ahev said that was crap but they managed to score.
of course they could have done better

[Ala]

Where did he say that?


http://jahanefootball.net/

big title on first page says
"Players don't listen to me"
"Papers changed our game system"


بازیکنان به حرفم گوش نمیکنند
روزنامه ها سیستم بازی ما را عوض کردند
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[Ali Chicago]

i was making the same argument last year but same people who are criticizing
me today would not buy it then.

what is different today is that Qalenoi is not doing any coaching for the team.
As he said today, no one is listening to him. He has no plans for the team.
There is no game plan. All he does is to pick 3 players which he does it based
on maximum return for his pocket. Then, he yells at them and throws bottle

We have 3 other coaches (Mazloumi, Ebrahimi and Panjeali) each are several
times more capable than Qalenoi. In one word, Qalenoi is nothing. He can't
get hurt more than he is today. Our players coach themselves and come up
with their own game plan and sort of "gel themselves together"

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Was I one of them Agha Ala? I wasn't. If anything wrong was done in the past, it wouldn't make it right now to repeat it.

Panjali isn't the coach in TM. Ebrahimzadeh is one of the brainy guys who has a role in team formation and tactic (Ebrahimi is there for his role an old timer).

Agha Ala, you can hate GN as much as you like. But two games now in the half time (coaches half), his subs have changed the game. By keep repeating he has no plan, it wouldn't make it the truth.

[Ali Chicago]

http://jahanefootball.net/

big title on first page says
"Players don't listen to me"
"Papers changed our game system"


بازیکنان به حرفم گوش نمیکنند
روزنامه ها سیستم بازی ما را عوض کردند


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Do you beleive whatever jahanfootball writes?

[Ala]

... two games now in the half time (coaches half), his subs have changed the game...


In game 1, his first half selections was SO terrible that ANY sub would have done better.
He subbed in Kazemian/Madanchi and that happened to work for that game.

In game 2, however, the team had got momentum back in 1st half and in fact Iran
made up for one of the goals. At this time, the substitutions did not mean anything.
It was a BIG risk. When something is working, a good coach DOES NOT mess w/ the
formation.

But, he subbed in Mobali for Karimi and Kazemian for Kaabi which had NO EFFECT
on the team. it may have gotten worse coz neither did anything special.

Qalenoi has created a major confusion and handicap for the team by moving
2 very effective wing players to defense to make room for 2 low class strikers.
This has severely affected the performance of the entire team, from defense to
defensive midfields and also our offensive line.

3 of our 4 goals has been by individual efforts of our defensive players Hosseini,
Zandi and Nekonum with LOTS OF LUCK and NO contribution from our offensive
mechanism. In fact, our offensive capability has been somewhat crippled

Something is seriously wrong with TM and this will show in a major challenge if
we don't try to fix the problem

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[yashar_fasihnia]

Ala/perspolis is well known for his zeal. What he and likes of him are doing can potentially hurt the TM (Creating Hashiesh again around TM). Look at Ala's posts and you be the judge.


and where were u during the worldcup ali agha to say these things who said similar stuff (and still continue to) about branko?

[yashar_fasihnia]

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: And Branko was very qualified :cool:
bia khayasho beboosim
He was the assistant of the coach who failed to take us to WC02, after 5 years he couldn't even talk with his players... what do you expect?
Alajaan, TM under Branko was beaten by Macedonia C and we also played our Leggionaires in EVERY match possible...
How do you expect from Ghalenoi to fill in the Goalie and Striker problem?
IF Branko used Mirza and Daei a lil less, I would've respected the guy much and much more... He is the guy who screwed us... He played 5 years with 9 same players, the only two players who were "replaced" were at leftback and leftwing.
Enayati, Borhani, Kazemian, Samereh, Rajabzadeh, Khatibi and all of our other strikers lack International experience... why? cuz he always played Ali Daei
If you're a real TM supporter, you will start support Ghalenoi as you support TM and start bashing and hating after AC 07

branko was and is more qualified than ghalenoi and all these arguments can be made against ghalenoi as well.

that being said, ghalenoi has my full support for this asian cup and inshalla if he succeeds, he deserves to continue with TM just like branko did after asian cup 2004.

[yashar_fasihnia]

The team spirit has never been so high before. This team has gelled together way more in 1 year than ever was the case in Branko's 5 years!
After 5 years, Branko's "team" was falling apart, there was no team spirit at all, because of his laj bzi and stubborness!
We're unbeaten and have practically alreay qualified to the next round, after having played two of the hardest matches in all first round groups. In AC 2004 we were having 4 points from matches agianst Thailand and Oman :rolleyes: and were lucky we had to play Japan in our last match, who didn't do sh!t since they'd already qualified.
Now that the team's gelling together, it's because of the players self and nothing to do with the coach right?? :rolleyes: lol yeah whatever...
The fittness of our players is great. We totally outplayed both Uzbekistan and China from the half hour mark. The players are willing to give everything for eachother.
"What is wrong with this..." and "what is wrong with that" you ask? The better question is what's wrong with "fans" like you, whom even during the Asian Cup itself, love to create hashiyeh and negative vibes.
I didn't like Branko and his tactics one bit, but at least during the WC I was standing behind my team, which also involves the coach!


amin jan again, ur exaggerating like ala.
team melli spirit went down only in the last year and that too after the worldcup qualification.

TM spirit was high during asian games, during asian cup and during worldcup qualification campagne.

thailand is a good team as they are showing now, and remember the UAE friendly argument we had and u were saying they are gulf champions. now guess which team was the first one who got knocked out of asian cup? UAE. i told u, i live here, i know how piss poor UAE team is but u didnt wanna accept it.

that being said, i too totally disapprove ala's campaign against ghalenoi without giving him a chance, specially now during asian cup and his results have been ok. kudos to u too for supporting branko during worldcup, but please, try not to be like him by exaggerating and assuming things and then saying it with certainity.

[yashar_fasihnia]

Team is gelling together.
Other countries are progressing as well and many fans don't appreciate that.
Over expectation of some fans that expect every game b1 10-0 for Iran
Negative atmosphere by people like Kaas nezahd, Attef and Maral Raouf , in newpapers who magnify every problem.
Negative atmosphere who questions TM coach (despite his shortcomings) which at this stage won't be fruitful.
There are a lots that are good. But Ala khan (AKA Perspolis) isn't interested in those.

again i ask u, where were u during the worldcup to post this?

[Agha Kasra]

branko was and is more qualified than ghalenoi and all these arguments can be made against ghalenoi as well.

that being said, ghalenoi has my full support for this asian cup and inshalla if he succeeds, he deserves to continue with TM just like branko did after asian cup 2004.
Don't get me wrong, Im not saying that Ghalenoi is better, and I know Ghalenoi makes mistakes as well, and I want him to leave after the Asian Cup. BUT is it needed to screw the coach on this point? is it needed to talk so much TRASH about him, spreading rumours and opinions as they are facts.?

[yashar_fasihnia]

Don't get me wrong, Im not saying that Ghalenoi is better, and I know Ghalenoi makes mistakes as well, and I want him to leave after the Asian Cup. BUT is it needed to screw the coach on this point? is it needed to talk so much TRASH about him, spreading rumours and opinions as they are facts.?

not at all, and i agree with u 100% on this :bigup:

[Ala]

... BUT is it needed to screw the coach on this point? is it needed to talk so much TRASH about him, spreading rumours and opinions as they are facts.?


1-
Qalenoi is doing his job and in fact there is no one that can even say anything.
He is 100% free to do whatever he wants and without any control from
anywhere what-so-ever. For one thing, there is no IFF. Qalenoi cannot even
be sacked because there is no one to sack him.

2-
We are here to discuss TM and should be free to discuss the details of the
team. It is not right to bad-mouth a coach but at the same time it is not
right to ask people for censorship. You cannot say that the coach is free
to do whatever he wants and everyone has to shut up and follow him like a sheep.

3-
I think good things will come out of discussions even if they get too hot.
We have the right to discuss the reason Qalenoi is using Enayati, even
as a left winger and at times left defense. We have the right to discuss
the fallouts of using Zandi as defense. We have the right to discuss the
reason Nekonum and Ando are not able to show their full potential. We have
the right to discuss the reason Kaabi is not used in a 4 back system. To
discuss why he was subbed out after a good performance? Why Kias is
not showing his true potential. Why Karimi has not shown much? Why
Khatibi was used. Why three ceter forward was utilized? Why Qalenoi
used 4 strikers in the last game, many involved in midfield and even
defensive roles. Why our team is easily conceding goals in the first
minutes. Why Kia and Zandi were not used at their positions? Why
Qalenoi promises that he'll keep his calm and then throws bottle at
the 4th ref despite being warned twice? Why he is setting such a
terrible role model for the players?

Now if you expect everyone not to discuss the above and only raise the flag
and follow Qalenoi like a sheep, then that is fine. If I feel that is what the
majority wants then I'll follow suit. But, if you are just a minority, then you
have no right to ask people to impose self censorship in this forum.

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[Ali Chicago]

again i ask u, where were u during the worldcup to post this?

Aghays aziz. Branko had the team for 4 years. Even if Iran looses in the AFC and dont' go through, they played like they wanted to play. Karimi didn't do that and was pulled out.

In WC Iran's team except the first half against Mexico was an EMBARESMENT. The game against PORTUGUAL, the whole GOD DAMN TEAM WAS defendign and Hashemian was standing for the most part in the half field circle.

If we eliminate tomrrow, Iran plays in AFC like they are doing their best. In WC I didnt' expct we beat Mexcio or Potrugal, but I expected to play soccer.

I waited and didn't say a word on Branko from 2003 after Asian cup all the way to 2006. 3 years brother. During the WC was the culimination.

[Ali Chicago]

and where were u during the worldcup ali agha to say these things who said similar stuff (and still continue to) about branko?


This is AFC cup now and not the time to talk about the old wounds. But since you brought it up. Don't get me started on Branko. Lot of problems we have today

Poor Goalie
Poor Defense
Poor forward line
Over relaince on Legioners


All of them in part are partly caused or at least were not addressed by Branko. Een atish as goor oon pedar sokhteh bala meeyad.

He was the one who kept playing Daie over and over and didn't other forwards to grow. What you are seeing in Enayati's performance right now is growing pain. He still haven't got the full confidence to play in TM and part of this and I say part of this is That pedar sokkhteh (Branko's) fault.

GN tried a lot of players and If he can just withstand all these negative media shit and negative fan attitude, he for most part get rid of the many of this so called legioners (that aren't as hungry) and build a team mostly based on people who want to play and give 100% for TM.

[Agha Kasra]

Now if you expect everyone not to discuss the above and only raise the flag
and follow Qalenoi like a sheep, then that is fine. If I feel that is what the
majority wants then I'll follow suit. But, if you are just a minority, then you
have no right to ask people to impose self censorship in this forum.

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My point is, you're giving your opinion as they are facts... I'm not saying that only good news should be said... But the way that you bring your news and some of them are the biggest rumours ever, but that's your choice,

and whenever a news is brought as the opposite of your news, you don't even reply to it anymore

[persiangodfather]

we are at a transition point right now.. we are at that stage where u have a mix of old and young players.. this is very tuff for teams.. but i think players like karimi rezaei kia has to get the start, but its not like if karimi is underachiving we r screwed because we have a strong bench..the only thign that can kill us is if we dont utilize our bench.. in wc karimi played shit.. we had no1 to replace him same with alot of other players.. but now we can look to our bench.. for the first time tm has alot of depth

[homa le perse]

you know what is wrong with TM ?

TM play with no tactic, players don't have any good instructions from GN&co

the players play with no organisation, with no plan, with nothing, just their own qualities.

look at japan, they are well-organized, that makes a good team.

when you see your team is in difficulties you try to defend the best you can to not concede a goal, because you know in 10, 20minutes you will play better and then you can attack.

in the first 20minutes of the china game, instead of making all they have to defend and to not concede a goal, players didnt know what to do, if they have to go forward, to pass the ball, to create or to let the storm go

[Roozbeh-G2006]

What is wrong with TM?

Why? What's happened? Are they playing well? or something?:shocked:

[Shahin K]

What is wrong with TM?
Why? What's happened? Are they playing well? or something?:shocked:

if someone says , what is wrong with TM then in 90% of the case it's a negative thing not that they're playing well :rolleyes:

[zzgloo]

Ghale Noee !!

[payman.T]

if someone says , what is wrong with TM then in 90% of the case it's a negative thing not that they're playing well :rolleyes:

I think he was being sarcastic...

[Shahin K]

I think he was being sarcastic...

I hope so

[Roozbeh-G2006]

if someone says , what is wrong with TM then in 90% of the case it's a negative thing not that they're playing well :rolleyes:

You didn't understand-did you?! :eyebrows: I made a comment that really didn't need any reply!

[arash123]

what happened to tm? no no no....what happened to some of the "fans" that are so pessimistic that it is actually disgusting?? thats the real question here.

[poloman290]

What is wrong with our defense?
>>>> That is not something new my friend...we need to work so much harder. I think Kaebi was rather good and could have played the rest of the game. He brings speed to the defence, which is what we are missing I think. We have physical, tall and strong pair in the middle and we could use the speed of Kabi.

Just in case you didn't noticed Kaebi was the reason for the 2 goal they scored on us. He was playing out of his position leaving his man completely open. By they time he got back to him it was too late and the score was 2-0 for China.
I believe GN saw this clearly and hence the substitute at halftime.

[Moey]

you know, despite all the imperfections I'm proud of the achievements of my fellow country men. I'm very proud of what the likes of Ali Daei, Teymourian and yes even Karimi and much more have achieved. Why? Not because they did it for the islamic republic, whose power and interfering most of you guys forget in this thread, but because they did it for themselves and the three colors of our beloved flag, wheter it has the bright lion&sun, the claws of the red symbol or nothig at all.

[Siavash]

Nothing is wrong with TM. But the coach GN sucks big time. Even my arrange of TM is much better than his no good arrange.

[1Heesham1]

the puma shirts don't let u perspire much...

[kaz]

I am sorry, I was wrong to give you more credit than you deserve. It looks you are more skilful in "safsateh" than others. Saudies, US. Mexico and other have thier own footbal culture/organization/coach/players/preparations and you can not compare apple and oranges. Nothing in my post said that coches in general have no impact on the team. I siad incompetents like QN do not posses the knowldge and skills to run TM and have meaningful impact on it.
No respectful FF uses the leadership of TM for training of a young coach with one league championshop (that many question that one) with minimal knowledge of modern footabal
Again you are using safsateh to help you. Coach should be more knowldgable/skillful/experinced than players. No matter the team and player quality. Being Barcelona or Bangaldesh. Players are first to notice that and go to thier room and laugh at him. specialy, when they know the main reason this guy have been selected as TM coach is his connections to profiteers in the segment of the goverment that use the opportunity to further avance thier objectives.
BTW. Next time I want to write something that you do not like will ask you can I creep out. YOu demonstrated closnes of your logic with likes of QN and his bosses.

Hmm, so I just asked you: where do Iranian coaches get international experience from if not from our TM? Because foreign teams do not put our young coaches as their head coaches.

There is nothing difficult in that and it's rather a simple issue for those that actually CARE about our football. By that, I am not simply talking about the players but people like the coaches and the refs, for example.

[yashar_fasihnia]

Even if Iran looses in the AFC and dont' go through, they played like they wanted to play. Karimi didn't do that and was pulled out.
In WC Iran's team except the first half against Mexico was an EMBARESMENT. The game against PORTUGUAL, the whole GOD DAMN TEAM WAS defendign and Hashemian was standing for the most part in the half field circle.


and in this tournament, our first half against china and uzbekistan were not embarassments?? i wish we had played in these 2 games first halves the way we played in the worldcup! i dont know about u though.


This is AFC cup now and not the time to talk about the old wounds. But since you brought it up. Don't get me started on Branko. Lot of problems we have today
Poor Goalie
Poor Defense
Poor forward line
Over relaince on Legioners
All of them in part are partly caused or at least were not addressed by Branko. Een atish as goor oon pedar sokhteh bala meeyad.
He was the one who kept playing Daie over and over and didn't other forwards to grow. What you are seeing in Enayati's performance right now is growing pain. He still haven't got the full confidence to play in TM and part of this and I say part of this is That pedar sokkhteh (Branko's) fault.
GN tried a lot of players and If he can just withstand all these negative media shit and negative fan attitude, he for most part get rid of the many of this so called legioners (that aren't as hungry) and build a team mostly based on people who want to play and give 100% for TM.

so because of all this (some of which i dont agree with but i dont want to open this "bahs"), it was ok during the worldcup to have unrealistic expectations, to create negative propoganda, etc and all those u listed earlier??