TM 4 Iranians only!!

[pajamNL]

Reply this topic if you don't want a multi nation TM.

TM is the creme de la creme of our players, of our IRANIAN players. We don't need import, this is not rascism, this is the sake of a TM! If i want the highest goal possible, no matter what, i will support FC Barcelona or something like that. An club team that can buy which ever player they like!
A National Team should consist the best NATIVE players.

Know some of us here use European teams as a example, but they forget that the europeans had colonies all around the world for more than 100 years!! Many people from those colonies went to europe, their children are playing in their National Team.

ANY NT THAT WANT TO USE PLAYERS WHOM AREN'T BORN IN THAT COUNTRY OR AT LEAST GOT ONE OF THE TWO PARENT BORNED IN THAT COUNTRY, SHOULD BE FORBIDDEN BY FIFA.
So for you callin me a rascist, i decline such a 'transfer' for ALL the countries around the globe!

Pajam

[Parham10]

I Fully Agree With You Man!!

[Parham10]

I was born in canada, but if i wanted to play for Iran, i easily could, cause both my parents are iranian, and i have no other relation to any other country!!!

btw:i will 1 day be on TM

[ali_vigh]

Agree

[Shahin K]

I was born in canada, but if i wanted to play for Iran, i easily could, cause both my parents are iranian, and i have no other relation to any other country!!!
btw:i will 1 day be on TM

lol good luck

[RahmanRezai]

I agree with you aswell!

[KasraKhan]

All Iranians were quick to critisize Arab countires and Japan for nationalizing foreginers so they can play in their resepctive teams, if TM does this, then we are the same thing that we have criticized for so long.

[Redfan]

i dont see the problem wtih us having better players if that means them not being iranian born.

[ali_karimi08]

I agree with u 100% with there is around 3 threads about olerom wanting to join TM...

[Ridi-Q-Lus]

I dont really care if he is of another race. If he was born in Iran and grew up there, I wouldnt mind at all if he joined TM. Race is definitely not an issue with me. My problem is that he was born and raised somewhere else. He is kind of being bought (no offence).

[RahmanRezai]

IMO either you have to be born in Iran, or have atleast 1 iranian parent like Zandi.

It has nothing to do with race, and everything to do with principles.

[a_m]

what u are saying u do not even make sence at all , Look at the french team , the DUTch team. do u thing every single player on their nation team is a native french men and native dutch men

seedrof , born in suriname , edgard david born in suriname , parick kluviert born in suriname,

makelale for france born in congo, ...and so on

HOW ABOUT THIS ONE FOR U NO BLACK PERSON IS NATIVE TO EUROPE BUT THEY PLAY ON SO MANY NATIONAL TEAM IN EUROPE, becuase time are change and policy are change...it is all a bending of the race in the west countries now...>>


THE LIST IS INCREDIBLALY LONG>>> there are too many..

it is a shame hearing this kind of talk from some one who has the pervilege to live outside of iran...

[Redfan]

what u are saying do not make sence at all , Look at the french team , the DUTch team. do u thing every single player on their nation team is a native french men and native dutch men
seedrof , born in suriname , edgard david born in suriname , parick kluviert born in suriname,
makelale for france born in congo, ...and so on
HOW ABOUT THIS ONE FOR U NO BLACK PERSON IS NATIVE TO EUROPE BUT THEY PLAY ON SOME MANY NATIONAL TEAM IN EUROPE>>
THE LIST IS INCREDIBLALY LONG>>> there are too many..
it is a shame hearing this kind of talk with some one who has the pervilege to live outside of iran...
i dont think he's talking about going back to the times of slavery and explainging why black people are in europe. thats not his point at all.

[a_m]

i dont think he's talking about going back to the times of slavery and explainging why black people are in europe. thats not his point at all.


there never was slavery in europe ..it was mostly done by the europian such as the portugese and british . who took many slave to North and SOUTh america to work on the plantation...most ..black people Europian...are like most iranians... they have emigrated...recently from AFRICA>>>>>>

it is not like NORTh and south america for them to be there a hunderd of years.

yes there was slavery done by the eurupian but the black where not brought to the actual europian continet though.....

[RahmanRezai]

what u are saying u do not even make sence at all , Look at the french team , the DUTch team. do u thing every single player on their nation team is a native french men and native dutch men
seedrof , born in suriname , edgard david born in suriname , parick kluviert born in suriname,
makelale for france born in congo, ...and so on
HOW ABOUT THIS ONE FOR U NO BLACK PERSON IS NATIVE TO EUROPE BUT THEY PLAY ON SO MANY NATIONAL TEAM IN EUROPE, becuase time are change and policy are change...it is all a bending of the race in the west countries now...>>
THE LIST IS INCREDIBLALY LONG>>> there are too many..
it is a shame hearing this kind of talk from some one who has the pervilege to live outside of iran...

We are not a west country, nothing against them but we are not them. Plus most countries in Europe are multicultural, I live in sweden and you can see so many different races that live, work and are represented here. It is natural for countries like this to have players with roots from other countries. Iran is NOT multicultural and therefore it is not the same.

And please its a shame to here someone in Europe talk like this? As stated before people are not talking about race and are not being racist. If this guy was born in Iran and both his parent were from Nigeria I would be cool with him playing for TM, but that is not the case.

We bash the arab teams for buying players, but as soon as the opportunity comes up for us to do this aswell its ok.

[karimi_shayan83]

some people go to different countries because their country aint want them like DECO brazil aint want him so he went to portugal.

[karimi_shayan83]

its acctually possible for me to be a TM player in a few years because this summer i am getting a trial for ESES adult team.

[Parham10]

its acctually possible for me to be a TM player in a few years because this summer i am getting a trial for ESES adult team.
IF YOU MAKE IT TELL THEM THAT YOU WILL ONLY PLAY IF THEY LET ME PLAY TOO!!!:D :D

[Prince of Persia]

Look at the Australian team, half of the players are Croatian for crying out loud, and when a player with Croatian ancestry wants to play for Croatia instead of Australia, Australian's call him a traitor!

[milad]

if someone has an iranian parent or was born in iran he should be able to play for TM. simple as that.

[Agha Koloft]

Who cares what nationality/race he is, wake up dude what year are you living in? As long as he intergrates with TM and really fights for his place in the team then good for us all.

[ShahHouman]

I was born in canada, but if i wanted to play for Iran, i easily could, cause both my parents are iranian, and i have no other relation to any other country!!!
btw:i will 1 day be on TM

i agree and fully respect people like u w/ that mindset, but to "switch nationalities" to get some NT playing time isnt cool, i dont like that

[pajamNL]

what u are saying u do not even make sence at all , Look at the french team , the DUTch team. do u thing every single player on their nation team is a native french men and native dutch men
seedrof , born in suriname , edgard david born in suriname , parick kluviert born in suriname,
makelale for france born in congo, ...and so on
HOW ABOUT THIS ONE FOR U NO BLACK PERSON IS NATIVE TO EUROPE BUT THEY PLAY ON SO MANY NATIONAL TEAM IN EUROPE, becuase time are change and policy are change...it is all a bending of the race in the west countries now...>>
THE LIST IS INCREDIBLALY LONG>>> there are too many..
it is a shame hearing this kind of talk from some one who has the pervilege to live outside of iran...
i already explained this in the three Olerum threads here, but for you i will do it once more;

All the european countries had have colonies all over the world, people from those colonies emigrated to europe, their children have been born and grown up in the european countries. such a 'foreigner' can play for TM, because he was then born in Iran!!!!!
Next to the colony part, european countries brought in many workers from north africa and eastern europe till even indonesia and turkey for the labour they weren't willing to do. They expected them all to leave after a year or 10. But al those people stayed and had children in the european countries.

You mention Surinam players been born in Surinam?? Surinam was a part of the Dutch Kingdom til 25 years ago! still know its very easy for them to get a dutch pasport, i don't know if seedorf and all were born in surinam, but that situation is totally different as for us! And i do not care for the 1000 examples you can give i dissaprove this as a whole!


It seems many here can't read!! IF YOU OR AT LEAST ONE OD YOUR PARENTS IS BORN IN A COUNTRY, YOU HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO PLAY FOR THEM!
yes their are also enough examples of people who weren't born in a country, but played their for many years, got a pasport ending up playing also for their national team (Deco and other brazilians for Japan , Belgium and so on). But i do not approve this, this is not what a national was meant to be for!! If you're a club team, its fine, but even then, most countries have maximum rules! You guys see an this Olerum as a quality player and want him in TM, man even if RONALDO or Zidane would and could join our TM, i would disapprove!

In which year i live? in the same as you bro! Don't go around and smart talk like that, i'm not a rascist and i'm not old fashioned, its a matter of pride and principle!

Go and dream of an Multi Cultural TM, the day that that happens, i don't feel like my National Team is playing and stop care for it. But i hope and pray that day wil NEVER come:furious:

[RezaAli]

Wait I don't get part where for Iranians only? everyone currently in TM was born and raised in Iran so what are you talking about?

[Faran]

I don't think people have a problem with a black guy or even with his not looking Persian, but they are worried that we might look more like some Arab teams.

I think this is all a waste of time because Erfan has said he aspires to play for Nigeria in 2010. Of course Nigeria is a better team than us, but that's what he wants. Either way, he is obviously more Nigerian than Iranian.

A player might want to join Iran to get noticed by Europe, however. But Olerum only if he somehow loses faith that he can join the Nigerian team. So if no Olerum, I hope nobody will blame management for not getting him. Players aren't items there for us to take if we want them, especially non-Iranian ones.

Our players have already started diving. What if we start taking in foreign players like the Arab countries too? Won't that damage the pride in Iranian football? Won't this gradual loss of steadfast Iranian attitude, overcoming to earn a true triumph for Iran, hurt the game as players are not being nurtured to be as proud? That is a key difference between the 98 and 06 teams!

It is easy to draw a line between calling up Olerum and what Qatar does but the line can be drawn anywhere. Don't just draw it where it is immediately convenient to you. And don't be desperate! Many kids play football in the koochehs of Kuwait and Syria as well! But those countries don't nurture GHEYRAT in their football. let's not fall victim to the same problem. We can forget about aspirations we held just a few months ago if the problem of whether or not to bring in a Nigerian to our national team is a big deal for us.

Erfan Olerum has said many great things about our country, and a report was even done on him in BBC sport. He is a great friend of Iran, and especially Iranian football by adding quality to our league. I am all for helping develop his career, and looking to him as an example of friendship between Iranians and other cultures. But it doesn't make sense to me to have him in our national team, and I doubt people would think about it if we had done well in the World Cup.

[Haf3z]

You just reveal your own ignorance. Iran is a culturally and ethnically divided country with many minorities. Only half of the population (roughly) is "Iranian". Ali Daei, one of our greatest of all time was an Iranian Turk. Would you kick him out of TM 10 years ago? Is Kaebi an Arab because he is from Khuzestan? Is Teymourian not welcome in TM because he's a Christian Armenian/Iranian?

[gol_kuchik]

Backwarndess has many faces this is one of them. In a world where many of
us Iranian have found refuge in other countries and have become citizens,
with full privilages often denied us in Islamic Republic, it is simply amazing how someone from Iran can so easily dismiss the same right from others.

I dont know if Olerum wants to become an Iranian, nor if our laws are
smart enough to ALLOW people who can contribute to become Iranian, as
opposed to people who are simply connected to our land by birth and nothing
else and in two generations times will not have anything whatsoever to do
with Iran.

Personally, I find a person more Iranian even if he is from Russia or France
and knows our culture and literature well and respects and appreciates it, than
some so called Iranians, whose only knowlege of Iran is Chelokbab and Gher
do_zari and has little knowledge of our history, or does not lift a finger to
help Iran in any form or shape. Is Fitzgerald (the person
who has translated Khayams poems so beautifully to English, less Iranian
than many who consider themselves Iranian but have done very little for
Iran?). Over history, there has been Americans Austirans and people of
other nationalities who have contributed to our Banking, Taxing and other
branches of our government or culture and we must understand and value their help.

Should we open our gates for all to become Iranian citizesn? Of course not.
Should we have provision to pick the talented of any culture who wishes to
be a part of our nation and can contribute to it? Only a fool would say
no.

[Faran]

You just reveal your own ignorance. Iran is a culturally and ethnically divided country with many minorities. Only half of the population (roughly) is "Iranian". Ali Daei, one of our greatest of all time was an Iranian Turk. Would you kick him out of TM 10 years ago? Is Kaebi an Arab because he is from Khuzestan? Is Teymourian not welcome in TM because he's a Christian Armenian/Iranian?

wow. wow wow wow. half the population is Persian. nearly all of the population including the Azeris is Iranian. Way to mix up what you learned on wikipedia, ostad.

And get that I am not talking about ethnicity I am talking about nationality, and there are blacks who like Teymourian, like Daei, like freakin Dariush the Great himself are Iranian . Olerum is more Nigerian than Iranian; therefore we would not invite him unless we were desperate. It's my view.


I love how Iranians often like to "open a friendly debate" and as soon as you propose a different opinion, harcheghad doostane, call you ignorant and confused.


Really, congratulations. it is a considerable feat to have gotten me to argue with you after the way you talked to me in that post, simply because I saw things differently.

[Haf3z]

wow. wow wow wow. half the population is Persian. nearly all of the population including the Azeris is Iranian. Way to mix up what you learned on wikipedia.

And get that I am not talking about race I am talking about nationality.
sorry, interpretation miss by me, my bad! I did not mean that minorities are not Iranian.

[pajamNL]

You just reveal your own ignorance. Iran is a culturally and ethnically divided country with many minorities. Only half of the population (roughly) is "Iranian". Ali Daei, one of our greatest of all time was an Iranian Turk. Would you kick him out of TM 10 years ago? Is Kaebi an Arab because he is from Khuzestan? Is Teymourian not welcome in TM because he's a Christian Armenian/Iranian?

i think my English is really really bad or you all have to learn to read somehow :s

To me ANYONE who is born out of at least ONE Iranian parent or born in Iran self from foreign parents IS an Iranian. We've got ethnics differences in our rich culture; thats great! To me all my hamvatanis are equal!

i keep repeating myself, ass you keep repeating the same (mis interpretion)

@gol kuchik:
you go too deep in this as a whole philosophy thing. We're talking soccer here and not whos the better hamvatani, thats not the issue.

[Faran]

infact I like golkuchik's post alot and I love the point about Fitzgerald and European Iranists. However, I just think that Olerum is more Nigerian than Iranian. He said he wants to play for Nigeria. Clubs are forwhichever players are good enough to contribute and want to-national teams are a little different IMO.

Olerum's talent and skill is a product of his childhood in Nigeria, not Iran. Same with his attitudes, his behavior and personality.

[gol_kuchik]

i think my English is really really bad or you all have to learn to read somehow :s
To me ANYONE who is born out of at least ONE Iranian parent or born in Iran self from foreign parents IS an Iranian. We've got ethnics differences in our rich culture; thats great! To me all my hamvatanis are equal!
i keep repeating myself, ass you keep repeating the same (mis interpretion)
@gol kuchik:
you go too deep in this as a whole philosophy thing. We're talking soccer here and not whos the better hamvatani, thats not the issue.

hmm, somehow your bad English is least of your problem. I am not of an
American parents, yet if I become a U.S citizen, I can play for U.S team (in any
event) if I am good enough to represent U.S. Is that bad? People in U.S
are proud of this fact, as they should be.

In the country you live in there
is an Iranian woman who is a member of Parliament. I am sure, an Iranian who
has becomee Deutch citizen can play for their national team if they are good
enough. Should they not be allowed to do so, simply because they were
not born there, or born in Iran?

To define an Iranian ONLY as something that can be achieved through birth
does not seem beneficial for Iran.

Thats why, if you have talent, in any useful field and want to become Iranian,
we should accept you, and not dismiss you because your parents did not
know about Aubgousht.

[pajamNL]

hmm, somehow your bad English is least of your problem. I am not of an
American parents, yet if I become a U.S citizen, I can play for U.S team (in any
event) if I am good enough to represent U.S. Is that bad? People in U.S
are proud of this fact, as they should be.

In the country you live in there
is an Iranian woman who is a member of Parliament. I am sure, an Iranian who
has becomee Deutch citizen can play for their national team if they are good
enough. Should they not be allowed to do so, simply because they were
not born there, or born in Iran?

To define an Iranian ONLY as something that can be achieved through birth
does not seem beneficial for Iran.

Thats why, if you have talent, in any useful field and want to become Iranian,
we should accept you, and not dismiss you because your parents did not
know about Aubgousht.


hmm, somehow your bad English is least of your problem. I am not of an
American parents, yet if I become a U.S citizen, I can play for U.S team (in any
event) if I am good enough to represent U.S. Is that bad? People in U.S
are proud of this fact, as they should be.
You're looking to this from a whole other angle. From the point of view of you, being Iranian, know living in the US and choosing to play for their NT, its your decision, as it would be Olerum his decision to do the same with Iran.
The question is how fans will react to that, then still, its their opinion. I'm against this, as in US their would be some for and some against it.
As a remark, don't forget USA is build on foreigners ;)


In the country you live in there
is an Iranian woman who is a member of Parliament. I am sure, an Iranian who
has becomee Deutch citizen can play for their national team if they are good
enough. Should they not be allowed to do so, simply because they were
not born there, or born in Iran?
YES! That is my whole point! Yes, they should, because they aren't Dutch!

To define an Iranian ONLY as something that can be achieved through birth
does not seem beneficial for Iran.
I didn't say that, but it seems hard to read (how is your english??).....

Thats why, if you have talent, in any useful field and want to become Iranian,
we should accept you, and not dismiss you because your parents did not
know about Aubgousht.
No! not in every field this is the way to act. It seems you use this Olerum-Gate (:D) as a reason to make it bigger and expand to every fiel in society.
I don't. A NT should be build on the best of the best of a nation and not on the best players they can find in their league, whom they can give an iranian pasport if he's good enough.

[Dubxl152]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to pajamNL again.

[vahid is back]

You just reveal your own ignorance. Iran is a culturally and ethnically divided country with many minorities. Only half of the population (roughly) is "Iranian". Ali Daei, one of our greatest of all time was an Iranian Turk. Would you kick him out of TM 10 years ago? Is Kaebi an Arab because he is from Khuzestan? Is Teymourian not welcome in TM because he's a Christian Armenian/Iranian?
Those Azeris and Armenians and Arabs have lived in Iran for centuries... It is no way the same situation.

[pajamNL]

You must spread some Reputation around before giving it to pajamNL again.
lol, thanksa ;)

[Martin-Reza]

It depends on the background and if the ties are strong enough. If someone lives in a country from young age and has eg married a woman from this country it's ok. If someone just changes citizenship to maybe be able to compete in some major national competition it sucks.

[Martin-Reza]

infact I like golkuchik's post alot and I love the point about Fitzgerald and European Iranists. However, I just think that Olerum is more Nigerian than Iranian. He said he wants to play for Nigeria. Clubs are forwhichever players are good enough to contribute and want to-national teams are a little different IMO.

Olerum's talent and skill is a product of his childhood in Nigeria, not Iran. Same with his attitudes, his behavior and personality.

Childhood doesn't determine your nationality. There are millions of immigrants worldwide who grew up at some place and now live in another and identify with that nationality. Closing the doors to those and not allowing them to be a part of the new country is simply kicking that country back to middle ages.



I don't. A NT should be build on the best of the best of a nation and not on the best players they can find in their league, whom they can give an iranian pasport if he's good enough.

As said, birth doesn't determine your nationality. Mostly it's like that, but often not.

Olerum didn't just arrive in Iran. He is there for years, married to an Iranian woman, changed his religion, speaks Farsi well and loves the country enough wanting to represent it.

You're not only born Iranian. You can also become Iranian and acknowledging that includes letting such people play in your national team if they are good enough.

I, however, agree it's something else if you just naturalize players who have nothing or only little to do with your country, but that surely isn't the case here.

[pajamNL]

Childhood doesn't determine your nationality. There are millions of immigrants worldwide who grew up at some place and now live in another and identify with that nationality. Closing the doors to those and not allowing them to be a part of the new country is simply kicking that country back to middle ages.
As said, birth doesn't determine your nationality. Mostly it's like that, but often not.
Olerum didn't just arrive in Iran. He is there for years, married to an Iranian woman, changed his religion, speaks Farsi well and loves the country enough wanting to represent it.
You're not only born Iranian. You can also become Iranian and acknowledging that includes letting such people play in your national team if they are good enough.
I, however, agree it's something else if you just naturalize players who have nothing or only little to do with your country, but that surely isn't the case here.
Obviously thats your view on this matter, which i can (partly) understand. But something like that (for me) only counts when you're at least living some 8-10 years in Iran and speak the language fluently.

[soheil86]

agreed 100%

[metto]

Well i think this is bullshit in my opinion if there is player who can speak farsi who has persian wife and live in iran since years and is iranian citizen ... then there is no problem of invite him for tm because just as example: ASAMOAH he is not born in germany none of germans colonies but he live hear for years knows german language and he is totally accepted as a national player of germany or take kuranyi or owomoyela whoever you want ... so of course it is our persian racism who make us act like this ... !!

[metto]

Dont Be So Narrow Minded !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Vahid Hashemian]

I agree with you

[pajamNL]

Dont Be So Narrow Minded !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
..............................:rolleyes:

[Martin-Reza]

Obviously thats your view on this matter, which i can (partly) understand. But something like that (for me) only counts when you're at least living some 8-10 years in Iran and speak the language fluently.

Ok, but it's good to see that there is a general agreement. How strong the ties need to be is another question.

[gol_kuchik]

Sure you are entitled to your opinion. Just as long as you realize you could never
become a Deutch with equal rights to other Deutch because your parents (I assume)
were Iranian. The issue is not really who among the fan feels good or bad, but a
right that should be granted to people who can contribute to Iran. Tomorrow a "fan"
may think someone who has accent should not play for TM, who cares what biggoted
idiots are there "thinking"?



In the country you live in there
is an Iranian woman who is a member of Parliament. I am sure, an Iranian who
has becomee Deutch citizen can play for their national team if they are good
enough. Should they not be allowed to do so, simply because they were
not born there, or born in Iran?




YES! That is my whole point! Yes, they should, because they aren't Dutch!


So above you are saying because someone in not Dutch (in your limited view on
what that means) they should not play for Netherlands national team. Now read
the paragraph below and see how you contradict yourself:



To define an Iranian ONLY as something that can be achieved through birth
does not seem beneficial for Iran.



I didn't say that, but it seems hard to read (how is your english??).....


That's precisely what you are saying (even if you dont realiaze what you are
babbling here). If someone can become Iranian, in a way other than through
birth, then that's the end of our discussion. Once a person becomes Iranian,
they would have the full right to become a national team member. There are
no "multiple class of Iranian" (there should not be and the whole problem with
todays Iran is that people are discrimanated against based on religion, sex, but
in ideal and a good Iran, this should not be the case).



Thats why, if you have talent, in any useful field and want to become Iranian,
we should accept you, and not dismiss you because your parents did not
know about Aubgousht.



No! not in every field this is the way to act. It seems you use this Olerum-Gate (:D) as a reason to make it bigger and expand to every fiel in society.
I don't. A NT should be build on the best of the best of a nation and not on the best players they can find in their league, whom they can give an iranian pasport if he's good enough.

That's the whole point. You either have a full citizen with every right granted to all,
or you would have a society with different classes of "citizens". I suppose next Pajam
wants to decide What field he considers desrving of citizenship and what field he does
not.

My entire point is that while the world is moving forward and trying to ATTRACT the
best and brightest, some with closed mind want to deny that to Iran. Because of their
narrow view, citizenship of a country can only be inherited through birth. That's simply
backward and not in the long interest of Iran.

[Dubxl152]

..... ok dont confuse Race & Nationality... heres a lil definition of the two cause it is clearly obvious that most of the people here dont know the difference :

from Dictionary.com

RACE: a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
2. a population so related.
3. Anthropology. a. any of the traditional divisions of humankind, the commonest being the Caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negro, characterized by supposedly distinctive and universal physical characteristics: no longer in technical use.
b. an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, esp. formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.
c. a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations, whose members share a greater degree of physical and genetic similarity with one another than with other humans.

4. a group of tribes or peoples forming an ethnic stock: the Slavic race.
5. any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race.
6. the human race or family; humankind: Nuclear weapons pose a threat to the race.
7. Zoology. a variety; subspecies.
8. a natural kind of living creature: the race of fishes.
9. any group, class, or kind, esp. of persons: Journalists are an interesting race.
10. the characteristic taste or flavor of wine.

Nationality : 1. the status of belonging to a particular nation, whether by birth or naturalization: the nationality of an immigrant.
2. the relationship of property, holdings, etc., to a particular nation, or to one or more of its members: the nationality of a ship.
3. nationalism.
4. existence as a distinct nation; national independence: a small colony that has just achieved nationality.
5. a nation or people: the nationalities of the Americas.
6. a national quality or character: Nationalities tend to submerge and disappear in a metropolis.

...... When i say i dont want Erfan Olerum in TM its not cause hes BLACK ( YES NOW ITS RACIAL), its because he is a NIGERIAN! Iranians & Nigerians dont share similar genetics, features or ethnic stock. He is not even 1% iranian, Iran never in any way shape or form had ANY colonial or hegemonic power over african state's (except for egypt) thus our culture, race, ethnicity etc etc etc never intermixed. People make the example of "Deco".......... go read a friggin book before you start regurgitating something you saw on TV, Brazil was portugals biggest colony, Brazilians speak portuguese its the official language, tell me do nigerian speak farsi? were they or we ever a colony of the other? do they partake in our traditions or cultural celebrations? and most importantly did our two populations EVER openly copulate and intermix genetically on a mass scale like the portuguese/ spanish did in Latin america or the belgian/ dutch did in africa? NO!

that is why i have a problem with him joining TM. That would be like me playing for the US soccer team because i moved here from Iran when i was 6............ because im a citizen it means that im an american... right, i can become president right? WRONG! Just explain to me what is the diffence between TM / NT and Clubs if you can sign whoever The F*** you want?

THIS has nothing to DO with IRAN, or Racism, Bigotry. It has everything to do with TM and what it means & Stands for, all of you guys playing the race card have nothing itelligent to say, so you throw out the race card hoping someone thinks your nobel cause you care about race blah blah. FACT: I have yet to read somone say Erfan cant play in TM cause hes black? <<<NOW THATS A RASICT REMARK>>>>> dont talk :bs: cause you cant grasp your mind around the issue @ hand. The issue is What is TM and what does it stand for, not some hippie Peace/ Love phliosophical BS lets accept everyone regradless of what the reprocussions could be in the long run. :nono: :nono: If the post is too long you dont have to read it.

[soroush]

I disagree with this thread. It IS ultra nationalist.

[RahmanRezai]

I cant believe how some of you think this is being narrow minded and racist.

One question! Do you guys think Oleroom would choose Iran or Nigeria if he was invited to both?

I agree with you 100% PajamNL!