Branko Bashing will not solve all our problems.

[zzgloo]

Ok, may be he played ali daie too much.
may be he was conservative at times.
may be , may be, may be ........
But what difference some other player selection would have made /
.....Would other golie chosen had been mistake free ?
.....would playing khatibi or enayati made big difference ?
..........
What are we going to do,with lower experince /
what are we going to do with lack of intencity /
What are we going to do with our lower class league competition /
....................
All the world odds makers had us beaten by Mexico and portugal...and that was what happened.....
May be a better coach would have brought us a tie,and a loss...but not two wins against mexico and portugal.....
lets not fool ourseleves and blame it all on Branko, as we were supposed to have won all our games and only he was the problem....
If we do that, we are going the wrong way......
.............
He was an assistant coach,and cheap price for our IFF, and he did his best, and he deserved the money he made from us.......
...............
The hard truth that many of us do not want to believe is that....
Branko was only 10% of the problems, not 90 %.......

[Dr.shark]

Ok, may be he played ali daie too much.
may be he was conservative at times.
may be , may be, may be ........
But what difference some other player selection would have made /
.....Would other golie chosen had been mistake free ?
.....would playing khatibi or enayati made big difference ?
..........
What are we going to do,with lower experince /
what are we going to do with lack of intencity /
What are we going to do with our lower class league competition /
....................
All the world odds makers had us beaten by Mexico and portugal...and that was what happened.....
May be a better coach would have brought us a tie,and a loss...but not two wins against mexico and portugal.....
lets not fool ourseleves and blame it all on Branko, as we were supposed to have won all our games and only he was the problem....
If we do that, we are going the wrong way......
.............
He was an assistant coach,and cheap price for our IFF, and he did his best, and he deserved the money he made from us.......
...............
The hard truth that many of us do not want to believe is that....
Branko was only 10% of the problems, not 90 %.......
man you just don't get it do you what is it with you and fuc*ing branko what is he paying you money ro some thing????
why do you try so hard to kiss his a$$?????
has he not put you and your country to shame????
what is it with you????
fuc*ing branko was and is all the problem he picked the players if the players are not good if the players are not fit if the players can't run then why the hell did he pick them are you telling me that we do not have any players in iran or out of iran that can run for 90min??
if we don't then we should not play all.
If we do have players then why did he not pick them?????
the problem starts with branko he picked his players.
branko gets to say who plays in the game why did he not play kia,karimi,zande,hashemean at the same time????
is that not what he did against all the teams that we have played untill now???
does he not say the europian irane players are this best????
why does he play daie 90+ when daie is walking the whole time?????
what is this deffence shit that he keeps putting us on?????
these are the things that stop us from winning.
why does merzapoor play every game when we see that he can never get better?????
do you not see that our players are getting in to fights because of this fuc*ing a$$ hole ??????
so we must blame fuc*ing branko learn from the k.s.a. they don't kiss the a$$ of any coach why do you want us to go around and kiss fuc*ing branko's a$$???????

[zzgloo]

man you just don't get it do you what is it with you and fuc*ing branko what is he paying you money ro some thing????
why do you try so hard to kiss his a$$?????
has he not put you and your country to shame????
what is it with you????
fuc*ing branko was and is all the problem he picked the players if the players are not good if the players are not fit if the players can't run then why the hell did he pick them are you telling me that we do not have any players in iran or out of iran that can run for 90min??
if we don't then we should not play all.
If we do have players then why did he not pick them?????
the problem starts with branko he picked his players.
branko gets to say who plays in the game why did he not play kia,karimi,zande,hashemean at the same time????
is that not what he did against all the teams that we have played untill now???
does he not say the europian irane players are this best????
why does he play daie 90+ when daie is walking the whole time?????
what is this deffence shit that he keeps putting us on?????
these are the things that stop us from winning.
why does merzapoor play every game when we see that he can never get better?????
do you not see that our players are getting in to fights because of this fuc*ing a$$ hole ??????
so we must blame fuc*ing branko learn from the k.s.a. they don't kiss the a$$ of any coach why do you want us to go around and kiss fuc*ing branko's a$$???????
I hope , all other members here see and read this post of yours ,and compaire it with mine.... and judg for themseleves...............

[Arashi_Washi]

man you just don't get it do you what is it with you and fuc*ing branko what is he paying you money ro some thing????
why do you try so hard to kiss his a$$?????
has he not put you and your country to shame????
what is it with you????
fuc*ing branko was and is all the problem he picked the players if the players are not good if the players are not fit if the players can't run then why the hell did he pick them are you telling me that we do not have any players in iran or out of iran that can run for 90min??
if we don't then we should not play all.
If we do have players then why did he not pick them?????
the problem starts with branko he picked his players.
branko gets to say who plays in the game why did he not play kia,karimi,zande,hashemean at the same time????
is that not what he did against all the teams that we have played untill now???
does he not say the europian irane players are this best????
why does he play daie 90+ when daie is walking the whole time?????
what is this deffence shit that he keeps putting us on?????
these are the things that stop us from winning.
why does merzapoor play every game when we see that he can never get better?????
do you not see that our players are getting in to fights because of this fuc*ing a$$ hole ??????
so we must blame fuc*ing branko learn from the k.s.a. they don't kiss the a$$ of any coach why do you want us to go around and kiss fuc*ing branko's a$$???????

Wow, This post deserves not only 5 Warnings but 2 bans too:rofl:

[Dr.shark]

Wow, This post deserves not only 5 Warnings but 2 bans too:rofl:
why because I tell the trueth?
or is it because I stand up for Iran and put the blame right on the fuc*ing man that made us lose 2 games in the world cup stated all kinds of fights between our players????
branko is a fuc*ing a$$ hole and he him self knows it now the whole world also knows it but still some people go around and act like he is GOD's gift to us Irane people. if he had been coaching any other team other then Iran he would not have lasted so long and he would not have people standing up for him no matter how much he cost them.

[Doctor DOOM]

Zz jan,

- the first 3 lines are HUGE under-statements which do not reflect the proportion of errors committed by branko.


- yes, we could have extracted better games out of a bench , if we had trusted them against some of those piss-poor friendly opponents we chose, and if we hadn’t over-relied on “names” .
that would mean , even when x or y comes off the bench, they would have, at least, gained some experience and int’l exposure.

Something that was beyond branko’s intellect !


- lack of intensity?
Well …. Good morning to you too.
Remember all those threads on “lack of competition” and “complacency” set in the team by branko’s faulty methods ?

Some of us forsaw this future when we rue this very issue.


- class of league?
Explain what was the difference between the leagues of many under-dogs who showed good games and didn’t adopt such a spineless system ?
Angola has only ONE player in portugal’s top league ( a league that by itself is nowhere near bundesliga or serie A or EPL )
And many other examples.

It’s how a good coach extracts the best possible game out of his players and team.


- odd makers had Ghana lose to czek by huge margin too.
You want to follow “numbers” or reality ?
Same with Senegal – france, as well as korea-italy, as well as Nigeria-spain, as well as Cameroon-argentina, and …… plenty of examples to make reliance on “numbers” a wasted and useless task.

- yes, we have ppl like dadkan to blame mainly for this, as he, even in the face of all branko’s visible short comings and failures, didn’t budge and obstinately persisted with this inferior and cheap coach !


I doubt you watched the mexico game, otherwise you wouldn’t have said many of the above.
That game was ours for the taking ( or at least get a draw out of ) if we played our usual game.
If branko hadn’t insisted on denying the team physical trainer, and psychologist, and some of those rejected friendlies , and had better sense in confronting big teams in the run up, and ……. And many more issues that are being swept under the carpet.


Yes, a long term plan is to prepare our infrastructure for better football.
But in short term ( restricted to the appearance at the WC ) , we could have done far far better than what we got !


bottomline :
yes, I agree bashing this idiot is not going to help us .... AT THIS POINT.

as usual, we wait for the disease to do its damage, only then we suddenly become aware of the problem !!
( the old "nooshdaroo ....." )

all we can do right now is to learn from these mistakes and make sure they are not repeated.
which means by dissecting the reasons for this failure, we must learn that every coach has his own limitations.
just as many of us said in the run up: one teacher may be good for elementary school, the other for middle school, and the next, for university.
you just cannot expect the elementary one to teach you anything for university entrance exam.
exactly what happened with branko and Iran.

we must learn that our officials shd pay heed to majority of experts and professionals ... and to some degree, the incredible number of fans who were proven right.

we must learn we shd be more aware in terms of recognizing signs and alarm bells ... way before the damage is done.

we must learn to be more realistic and less "taarofi" with changing coaches who have run out of ideas and staem, even if they had helped us before.

we must learn .....
many things that I'm just too tired and angry to go over.

but most of all, we must learn not to lie and accept reality.

and we must always keep in mind, the TEAM MELLI is far more important than petty personal preferrences and likes and individuals. ( as some ppl are doing , even now ! )

[Dr.shark]

Zz jan,

- the first 3 lines are HUGE under-statements which do not reflect the proportion of errors committed by branko.


- yes, we could have extracted better games out of a bench , if we had trusted them against some of those piss-poor friendly opponents we chose, and if we hadn’t over-relied on “names” .
that would mean , even when x or y comes off the bench, they would have, at least, gained some experience and int’l exposure.

Something that was beyond branko’s intellect !


- lack of intensity?
Well …. Good morning to you too.
Remember all those threads on “lack of competition” and “complacency” set in the team by branko’s faulty methods ?

Some of us forsaw this future when we rue this very issue.


- class of league?
Explain what was the difference between the leagues of many under-dogs who showed good games and didn’t adopt such a spineless system ?
Angola has only ONE player in portugal’s top league ( a league that by itself is nowhere near bundesliga or serie A or EPL )
And many other examples.

It’s how a good coach extracts the best possible game out of his players and team.


- odd makers had Ghana lose to czek by huge margin too.
You want to follow “numbers” or reality ?
Same with Senegal – france, as well as korea-italy, as well as Nigeria-spain, as well as Cameroon-argentina, and …… plenty of examples to make reliance on “numbers” a wasted and useless task.

- yes, we have ppl like dadkan to blame mainly for this, as he, even in the face of all branko’s visible short comings and failures, didn’t budge and obstinately persisted with this inferior and cheap coach !


I doubt you watched the mexico game, otherwise you wouldn’t have said many of the above.
That game was ours for the taking ( or at least get a draw out of ) if we played our usual game.
If branko hadn’t insisted on denying the team physical trainer, and psychologist, and some of those rejected friendlies , and had better sense in confronting big teams in the run up, and ……. And many more issues that are being swept under the carpet.


Yes, a long term plan is to prepare our infrastructure for better football.
But in short term ( restricted to the appearance at the WC ) , we could have done far far better than what we got !


bottomline :
yes, I agree bashing this idiot is not going to help us .... AT THIS POINT.

as usual, we wait for the disease to do its damage, only then we suddenly become aware of the problem !!
( the old "nooshdaroo ....." )

all we can do right now is to learn from these mistakes and make sure they are not repeated.
which means by dissecting the reasons for this failure, we must learn that every coach has his own limitations.
just as many of us said in the run up: one teacher may be good for elementary school, the other for middle school, and the next, for university.
you just cannot expect the elementary one to teach you anything for university entrance exam.
exactly what happened with branko and Iran.

we must learn that our officials shd pay heed to majority of experts and professionals ... and to some degree, the incredible number of fans who were proven right.

we must learn we shd be more aware in terms of recognizing signs and alarm bells ... way before the damage is done.

we must learn to be more realistic and less "taarofi" with changing coaches who have run out of ideas and staem, even if they had helped us before.

we must learn .....
many things that I'm just too tired and angry to go over.

but most of all, we must learn not to lie and accept reality.

and we must always keep in mind, the TEAM MELLI is far more important than petty personal preferrences and likes and individuals. ( as some ppl are doing , even now ! )
Doctor doom jaan it is always nice to see you stand up for TM but I must say us bashing Fuc*ing branko does help with the anger that is inside some of us who knew this was going to happen and yet could do nothing to stop it from happening so I do not think we should stop putting Fuc*ing branko down yet this should go on until next world cup so that any new coach that comes along should know that we are not taking shit any more from loser coaches.

[Martin-Reza]

man you just don't get it do you what is it with you and fuc*ing branko what is he paying you money ro some thing????
why do you try so hard to kiss his a$$?????
has he not put you and your country to shame????
what is it with you????
fuc*ing branko was and is all the problem he picked the players if the players are not good if the players are not fit if the players can't run then why the hell did he pick them are you telling me that we do not have any players in iran or out of iran that can run for 90min??
if we don't then we should not play all.
If we do have players then why did he not pick them?????
the problem starts with branko he picked his players.
branko gets to say who plays in the game why did he not play kia,karimi,zande,hashemean at the same time????
is that not what he did against all the teams that we have played untill now???
does he not say the europian irane players are this best????
why does he play daie 90+ when daie is walking the whole time?????
what is this deffence shit that he keeps putting us on?????
these are the things that stop us from winning.
why does merzapoor play every game when we see that he can never get better?????
do you not see that our players are getting in to fights because of this fuc*ing a$$ hole ??????
so we must blame fuc*ing branko learn from the k.s.a. they don't kiss the a$$ of any coach why do you want us to go around and kiss fuc*ing branko's a$$???????

Just ridiculous. For how long can you go on fooling yourself by finding ONE scapegoat as excuse for everything? It's the same story for a decade now and some never learn.

Not surprisingly the tone by people who always seek such easy solution is often the same.

[Dr.shark]

Just ridiculous. For how long can you go on fooling yourself by finding ONE scapegoat as excuse for everything? It's the same story for a decade now and some never learn.

Not surprisingly the tone by people who always seek such easy solution is often the same.
and yet the tone of those that like you support loser coaches like branko and close your eyes to evrey thing wrong that he does and agree with all the blame that he puts on TM is alway the same. ridiculous is Fuc*ing branko ridiculous is dadkan and ridiculous is I.F.F. and I find it funny how long you Marten Reza can go on supporting losers like Fuc*ing branko and saying people like me would not learn? I was right when I said it long ago that we wer going to lose all our games it happened so far. I was right when I said fuc*ing branko would blame our players when we lost and that happened. So what did I not learn? did I not learn how to kiss Fuc*king branko's a$$???? is that what I should be learning????? do you think for one secound I would agree with Fuc*ing branko on any thing that would come out of his stupid mouth??? I am tooo smart for the likes of Fuc*ing branko and I am not finding a scape goate as you put it Fuc*ing branko is why we are out of the world cup. I Dr.Shark did not pick the players I Dr.Shark did not make the subs in the games I Dr.Shark did not stand behind those players and say we are fine and on top. It was your Fuc*king Branko that did so and now it is time for all of us that said he Fuc*king Branko was worng to stand up and point it out. in case you don't know most of the people of Iran in side and out side of Iran think like me so you should learnd a thing or two before you start to talk. do not think just bercause you work on a site that you are so power full we had to take bullshit from this fuc*king branko for 5 years and people like yuou came to his support left right and center but now it is our turn.

[zzgloo]

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DD jan....They realy are not under statement........
how would you know,that had we not played defensively against Portugal,we would have lost even with bigger margin ?.....I know, I know, you may say,lets fight like a man to the end...but,that is his choice,and that was the coach our IFF chose.....
What other choices did we have when mexicans on the secound half shot downed our right side ?......still, it was possible we could have drown....
TM played much better than the TM in 98.........
But, ..........I want you to remmember....as mehran Mokala coded " Asghar sharafi ".....""our football is lower than our fans """ ................
The Africans have far more competetive leagues than we do.....and are far more physical ..............
Do you say.....bringing mobali would have made a difference?
do you say....our football deserved to beat portugal and mexico ?
........................
Did you see the game between togo and sweitzerland ?........the togo was not dominated, they just did not know how to finish....they just did not know how to shoot stright.....they just did not pass intelegently and did not know how to take advantage of uppertunities..........and it was not thier coach's mistake.....
Branko could have been changed with a better coach, as saudis and south koreans did....due to more expectations from thier football federations....but......Even mocala would not have us beating Portugal....and would not have been able to solve our left side, nor change our luck.....
All I am saying,is although branko was not ideal,yet,we have far more important issues.....and we would be fooling ourseleves if we are to believe otherwise........
......................................
dear Dr.shark.....
My friend...you are just little out of control..watch you language...as you would make others not to pay attention to any legitimate point you might possibly make.........The only point worth noteing you had was that ,we need to remmember and keep pushing for a better coach next time...which I agree 100%...........

[Ali Chicago]

I think ZZ has a good point. Branko was part of the problem. I myself had several posting criticizing him, but if we think by taking him off the helm everything will be ok, it is a dream. I think this was the gist of ZZ's post (Branko was not the cause, let's change the system the produces like of Branko).
I started a new thread and there is an article from Iran's verzashi there, I suggest you both read that.
I wasnt' a Branko's fan and it is not about defending him, there is a danger that we focus on Branko only and focusing on symptom and not the root cause. I think this is what ZZ and Martin and most of the guys who supported Branko trying to tell us.
I don't have an illusion that ZZ, Martin, Mansoor, Yashar didn't see the problems we saw with Branko, so it is not like these guys are Branko's agent or anything.
They thought he was at the helm, so let's support him, which maybe will put them in a tough situation (with their credibility these days) for a while now. Having said that, I think ZZ and Martin have a very good point about not just focusing and attributing the whole problem to Branko.
I am sure you read Mansoor's post about the situation in the camp. With that atmosphere, if it was Guss Hedding or Macala or I don't care God, still would have resulted to this kind of performance. God in my youth (sh****ty) program in IL there is a better descipline and team spirit from what Mansoor portrayed. Who needs to create an atmosphere of team work, who needs to set the standards? IFF.
I love Karimi, but no player should put his nose and meddle in the coach's work. I don't blame Karimi (although question his judgement), I blame IFF and Dadkan personally to allow these atmosphere (Bazicon sulury).
If Karimi did that kind of stuff as alleged, it was wrong, but main blame still goes to IFF and Branko to not having the spine to stand up against this. Or even create a Bazicon sulury allegedly with Ali Dai in the first place, so now Ali Karimi trying to repleace him or criticizing it. If Karimi didn't like what was going on, he must have said , I love Iran but I won't play under this situation for such and such a reason. But coming to the camp and trying to undermine the coach, will result in disastar.
Sorry for the segway, the point isnt' to talk about Karimi, it is about the atmosphere and system that right now exist in the IFF which allows medicrity and unless these conditions remedied, our soccer will be pretty much the same (underperfomed the way it was in this world cup).
Heck, we may even get lucky and have a Greece like MIRACLE in UEFA 2004 but that would be it. Just a miracle, stroke of luck unless we fix things from the foundations.
ZZ, Martin , Mansoor, if I may suggest (sorry don't mean to tell you guys what to do or anything), there is a huge amount of anger against Branko (mostly right or wrong) at present, so I suggest when you post, you take that into consideration. You and most of the folks who supported Branko sound like a very reasonable, knowledgable folks and there is a need for people like you to be able to influence the less experience and emotional crowd. So, If I suggest, please state your opinion without even mentioning Branko, cause there is a sensitivity against him right now. It is not justified maybe totally. But the goal here is not to do justice to Branko (he is gone and got paid his salary), it is about hoping to maybe improve the situation in Iranian soccer by educating ourselves and other fans and cultivation ideas and searching for solutions.
Ali

[Doctor DOOM]

ali jan,
it is one thing to say branko isnt good enough but beleive ( as yashar does ) that he is the best we can get and we'd better keep shut and support.

it is another thing to twist reality and actually suggest he has done well and has outsmarted this and that, and his selection was the best and his tactics are this , and his system is that ... you know.
you must have read enough of such posts.
basically trying desperately to paint a picture where branko is bereft of any mistakes and faults !


the first group, while playing down Iran's pull and potential , are one thing.
but to hear stuff like when in reality was a miserable trend , clear as daylight, witnessed in the past 2 years , and still deny this reality .... it's just a bit too hillarious and absurd.


defending a coach who knowingly and adamantly refused to include a physical trainer is absurd.
defending a coach who refused to include a psychologist in his staff, when he was unable to do anything in this dept. is foolish.
defending a coach who was content with very inferior and useless supporting staff , when he knows he's going to war against the best of the world, is idiotic.
defending a coach who despite reality showing otherwise, insisted on the wrong ideals , ... just to be laj baaz and obstinate, is stupid.
defending .....





yes, I, also, hold dadkan as the most responsible party to this fiasco, for persisting so obstinately on the wrong choices and wrong issues for so long , despite repeated warnings from experts, professionals, coaches, ..... !

branko, just like MK, was a very small coach , very much limited in talent and ideas.
he did what he could ... and ran out of steam , a long time ago.

if he wanted to remain and get the final glory, by being a coach who was represented in the WC, we cannot blame him.

we must blame thos eppl who despite numerous signs and warnings, still backed this incapable, incompetent , small-time coach.

dadkan ought to be held responsible.

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yes, we can name many other factors .... mostly general , which are related to this failure.

such as lack of infrastructure, lack of professionalism, lack of ... .

but at least, by talking and discussing the matter of coaching and how we failed in this issue, we have a chance to learn from this mistake , and next time not be content with bread crumbs and pathetic numbers.

maybe next time, we can be more progressive and demand continuous improvement.
maybe next time, our values will be different from this time's wrong notions and ideals of "hospitality and exaggerated sense of loyalty" !!

[yashar_fasihnia]

Doctor doom jan, are u telling me we had BETTER OPTIONS than branko??

when was this that i wasnt informed about??
if ur talking about the likes of macala, i dont think they are any better than branko. they are more or less of the same class of branko.

if ur talking about arie haan, he came too late, and he doesnt seem to have a good knowledge of soccer, infact, i think he is worse than branko. however, there is no denial that arie haan has a strong personality and "alaki zire bar nemire". again, i would also like to remind u that he arrived too late to replace and get used to a completely new environemtn, life style, media, players, and all those stuff.

who else? denizli? the guy was so selfish that he left pas during the most important period of the club, when they were about to snatch the IPL trophy from esteghlal. WOW! how responsible this coach is! imagine the players learning this from the coach, karimi walks off one day, rezai the next! amazing!
and i guess he too played defensively IN IRAN and CONCEDED 2 GOALS in the LAST 15 MINUTES against AL AIN! but then agian, its only branko who is a so called "wimp" because he "decided to play defensively" (ridiculous! he didnt play defensively, the players were tired!) and lost to mexico in the last 15 minutes! :rolleyes:

so anyone else left that i missed out???
and plz, dont even start with iranian coaches!
Dr Z. who is famous all over iran for being conservative and defense minded or like u say "wimp" yet u(was it u or someone else, cant really remember, if im mistaking this part, my appologies in advance) opted for him to replace branko! plz, dont temme saipa scored many goals this IPL, so he proved everybody wrong because that was only for a few weeks, then again, saipa went back to its normal lack of goal games!

and who else? majid jalali? he makes good analysis of games, but when he becomes the coach of a club, u dont see any significant difference in the team!

Anyone else left? hejazi? maeilli kohan? pur heydari? talebi? worse of all, SHAROKHI???

hmm,,, nice options we got! :rolleyes:
now plz say branko WASNT our best option! :o

[Doctor DOOM]

Hahahaha .
“why weren’t you informed?”
hahahaha

good one.
I’ll give you a typical branko answer , since you like him so much:
“next time, I’ll be sure to tell all applicants to send their applications and requests not to IFF , but to yashar fasihnia at #1, dubai street, dubai.”

I know it is hard to accept facts that don’t match with what you want to believe.
I have seen this trend in many branko supporters and die hard fans … as they emulate their idol.
But seriously, there have been countless occasions where the coaches themselves have said it, and some have even come to Iran for the matter.
Yet you deny.

Hehehehe

So be it .
Whatever that gets you through the day, my friend. Whatever !

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2-other coaches:

aari haan is worse than branko?
This is even more ridiculous and laughable!
The very same aari haan with a bunch of inferior players defeated branko with a bunch of highly talented players.

Secondly, it is rather tragic that some of you still defend branko technically.
I’d suggest before you embarrass yourselves even more, stop this.

Hell, even if we had MK, we’d have done better.
MK’s fault was , he didn’t have any variations in his plans and was one-dimensional.
Well, good morning.
So was branko the moron from croatia.
Once the opponents nullified his original tactics, he was stuck like a donkey in mud !

But MK has the upper hand, in arranging & playing the team to its strength : attacking football, which is our nature.
Branko the moronic wimp, didn’t even do that !!

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The saddest and most tragic part is some of us show the tendency of being content with just about any crap that exists !
No hunger.
No desire to improve or betterment.
No will to exercise some control over our lives.

We agree with anything and everything … no matter how many times it’s proven not to be right.
No wonder these mullahs have remained in power for so long !

Becoz we are too lazy, and have no will to demand betterment !
So much that we look like a bunch of “too sari khor”s , who even the dregs of the outside world like branko, treat us like crap .
And some of us not only take this crap, but actually defend it !!

A mate of mine said: you get what you deserve.
It’s true.

we got this moron, becoz many of us didn’t have the guts to demand progress, and were content with just about any sh*t thrown in front of us !

[Amirza]

I am with Dr. Shark on this one.
Yes we all know about the fundamental problems in Iran - yes we know our most undesirable and least educated are making the most important decesions........ but we are talking about Football here - a sport in which a couple of good players can make up for a lot !!!

To me Branko is a phenomen - just like Ahmadinejad !! these are guys who are placed in a position they do not belong - because of circumstances - because they were there at the right place the right time. Now that we went to the tourney - with a remote controled puppet coach whose only qualification was that he was not Iranian !!! and have lost everything !! can't we even BAsh the idiot ? We know there are those who deserve far more bashing - but this guy is the idiot who let them get away with making all the decesions from the dark !!! this is the idiot who did not speak once to reveal the truth of what is going on behind the scenes. I call him an idiot - but even he is not stupid enough to use Daei in 4 straight friendlies for full 90 minutes - what was he testing ???

At the time when we need to release our frustration - please don't take Branco from us !!! and in good time we will get to Dadkan and the rest of the baboons calling the shots in our Football - if we can realy find them !!!

[Doctor DOOM]

( this is after the angola mess )
I'm sure many friends here are quite happy with the absolutely marvellous point we got from this game.

shoma ha hamin branko baratoon kafiyeh.
haghetoon hamineh, va bass !

keif kardin haaaa , baad az in baziyeh aali !

[Amirza]

2 goals - both scored by defenders !! both on set plays.
sounds familiar ? did we know about the problem ? I don't know about Branco but we knew and have been talking about it here on PFDC as well as on ISP. did we do anting about it ? did we test or try anything ? anything ?

[Dr.shark]

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DD jan....They realy are not under statement........
how would you know,that had we not played defensively against Portugal,we would have lost even with bigger margin ?.....I know, I know, you may say,lets fight like a man to the end...but,that is his choice,and that was the coach our IFF chose.....
What other choices did we have when mexicans on the secound half shot downed our right side ?......still, it was possible we could have drown....
TM played much better than the TM in 98.........
But, ..........I want you to remmember....as mehran Mokala coded " Asghar sharafi ".....""our football is lower than our fans """ ................
The Africans have far more competetive leagues than we do.....and are far more physical ..............
Do you say.....bringing mobali would have made a difference?
do you say....our football deserved to beat portugal and mexico ?
........................
Did you see the game between togo and sweitzerland ?........the togo was not dominated, they just did not know how to finish....they just did not know how to shoot stright.....they just did not pass intelegently and did not know how to take advantage of uppertunities..........and it was not thier coach's mistake.....
Branko could have been changed with a better coach, as saudis and south koreans did....due to more expectations from thier football federations....but......Even mocala would not have us beating Portugal....and would not have been able to solve our left side, nor change our luck.....
All I am saying,is although branko was not ideal,yet,we have far more important issues.....and we would be fooling ourseleves if we are to believe otherwise........
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dear Dr.shark.....
My friend...you are just little out of control..watch you language...as you would make others not to pay attention to any legitimate point you might possibly make.........The only point worth noteing you had was that ,we need to remmember and keep pushing for a better coach next time...which I agree 100%...........
Iran coach Branko Ivankovic said on Tuesday "A win against ANGOLA would mean our World Cup had been a success," the Croat told reporters. :This is the biggest and most beautiful event in sports history and we should be proud to have been a part of it."
this ZZGLOO jan is what fuc*king Branko as I will be calling him from now on had to say about us
now I want to know who angola is what have they done in the world of football that it would be a success for us Irane people to win a football game against them????????????:furious::furious::furious::furiou s::furious::furious::furious::furious:
is that what you and all those supporting fu*king Branko were asking for???
I was asking for us to win over angola,mexico.
if costa rica and U.S. can win over mexico and angola can tie mexico then why can't we does angloa have players like kia,karimi,zande,rezaee,hashemian,kabbe, nakonam, even daie?????
what about costa rica and U.S. ???????
just how many players do those 3 countrys have playing in europe and on big team like we do???????
no it is not just our players on it's not out player not running it is the fact that we have fu*king branko and he is making our player do the things we see him do.
how about his suprise today pulling out kabbe and puting in borhane to play for him ?????
who in the world does that??????? and at the end of the game???????????
why did he not use him from the start put he started with daie and ended with a slow daie that could not even head the ball in the net any more. Fu*king Branko is to blame for that not our players why did he pull out hashemian the faster forward ????? and put in khateebe next to daie he is the worst forward we have on that team. why did he not let borhanie play as a forward instad of daie or khatebee???????????
it is not ipl ipl is not the best but and their is a BIG BUT it has some of the best players in asia in it just how many players have come out of IPL and have won asian player of the year????????????
and how many out of their keep getting picked by europian clubs???????
how many arabs do we have playing in europian clubs????????????
and if the arabs want more than just being at the world cup why not us???????????
why sould we be just proud of being their????????????????
are we t&t ,angola, togo that we should be proud of being in the top 32 teams??????
because we did worse then the 3 of them.
do any of those teams have players as good as ours ???????
no it is not IPL and it is not our players it is the man that picked those players and told those players how to play and it is that mouse that thinks we should be proud of just being at the world cup that is to be blamed for our results . if any thing it would be that harmzade Dadkan that is also a blame just as much as Fu*king Branko .
yes IPL must get better but IPL is not the blame of our results the IPL clubes did not force Fu*king Branko to pick these players
and don't come and say Fu*king Branko only has 3 weeks with the team or some thing like that we all know he has had more than 5 years with them and has had his eyes on them even when they did bad and all of Iran talked aboput it Fu*king Branko did nothing but take his drugs and deffend his players like merzapoor,golmo,daie,nosrate and he put down good players like mobalee.
so yes Fu*king Branko is the blame to 96% of all our problems and he Fu*king Branko is the blame to 98% of our results in this world cup.
I also think we played a lot better in 98 then we did in 2006 just because we came out to win against yugoslavia and U.S. but here we came just to be proud of being here at the world cup who said this YOUR coach COACH Fu*king Branko.:furious::furious::furious::furious::furiou s::furious::furious::furious::furious::furious::fu rious::furious::furious::furious:

[Dr.shark]

Doctor doom jan, are u telling me we had BETTER OPTIONS than branko??

when was this that i wasnt informed about??
if ur talking about the likes of macala, i dont think they are any better than branko. they are more or less of the same class of branko.

if ur talking about arie haan, he came too late, and he doesnt seem to have a good knowledge of soccer, infact, i think he is worse than branko. however, there is no denial that arie haan has a strong personality and "alaki zire bar nemire". again, i would also like to remind u that he arrived too late to replace and get used to a completely new environemtn, life style, media, players, and all those stuff.

who else? denizli? the guy was so selfish that he left pas during the most important period of the club, when they were about to snatch the IPL trophy from esteghlal. WOW! how responsible this coach is! imagine the players learning this from the coach, karimi walks off one day, rezai the next! amazing!
and i guess he too played defensively IN IRAN and CONCEDED 2 GOALS in the LAST 15 MINUTES against AL AIN! but then agian, its only branko who is a so called "wimp" because he "decided to play defensively" (ridiculous! he didnt play defensively, the players were tired!) and lost to mexico in the last 15 minutes! :rolleyes:

so anyone else left that i missed out???
and plz, dont even start with iranian coaches!
Dr Z. who is famous all over iran for being conservative and defense minded or like u say "wimp" yet u(was it u or someone else, cant really remember, if im mistaking this part, my appologies in advance) opted for him to replace branko! plz, dont temme saipa scored many goals this IPL, so he proved everybody wrong because that was only for a few weeks, then again, saipa went back to its normal lack of goal games!

and who else? majid jalali? he makes good analysis of games, but when he becomes the coach of a club, u dont see any significant difference in the team!

Anyone else left? hejazi? maeilli kohan? pur heydari? talebi? worse of all, SHAROKHI???

hmm,,, nice options we got! :rolleyes:
now plz say branko WASNT our best option! :o
yes we had better options then branko what do you think of Iran do no other coaches ever come to Iran to coach those weak clubs that we have that you all like to put down even I put down at times???
the answer is we do have coaches coming from europe to coach them then why do think it would be hard to get a coach for TM???
did we not get them before???for TM????? is Fu*king Branko him self not a coach from europe?????so don't say we had no other options we could have had afshen qhotbe as an assistent coach did we no why because Fu*king Branko said he does not know him. who has afshen qhotbe now south korea and how are they doing????? on top of their group.
shame on Fu*king Branko and shame on Dadkan e haramzade:furious::furious::furious::furious::furi ous::furious::furious::furious:

[Dr.shark]

I am with Dr. Shark on this one.
Yes we all know about the fundamental problems in Iran - yes we know our most undesirable and least educated are making the most important decesions........ but we are talking about Football here - a sport in which a couple of good players can make up for a lot !!!

To me Branko is a phenomen - just like Ahmadinejad !! these are guys who are placed in a position they do not belong - because of circumstances - because they were there at the right place the right time. Now that we went to the tourney - with a remote controled puppet coach whose only qualification was that he was not Iranian !!! and have lost everything !! can't we even BAsh the idiot ? We know there are those who deserve far more bashing - but this guy is the idiot who let them get away with making all the decesions from the dark !!! this is the idiot who did not speak once to reveal the truth of what is going on behind the scenes. I call him an idiot - but even he is not stupid enough to use Daei in 4 straight friendlies for full 90 minutes - what was he testing ???

At the time when we need to release our frustration - please don't take Branco from us !!! and in good time we will get to Dadkan and the rest of the baboons calling the shots in our Football - if we can realy find them !!!
Amirza jaan I thank you with all my heart for your post. I am proud to see such smart Iran men such as your self ,khabalood, DOctor Doom .... and I am proud to see ahamde nejaad who was in the right place at the right time going after those baboons that are calling the shots in our I.F.F. and have made Fu*king Barnko the man to make the rest of the world look down on us when ever the words Iran and football are used together.

[yashar_fasihnia]

yes we had better options then branko what do you think of Iran do no other coaches ever come to Iran to coach those weak clubs that we have that you all like to put down even I put down at times???
the answer is we do have coaches coming from europe to coach them then why do think it would be hard to get a coach for TM???
did we not get them before???for TM????? is Fu*king Branko him self not a coach from europe?????so don't say we had no other options we could have had afshen qhotbe as an assistent coach did we no why because Fu*king Branko said he does not know him. who has afshen qhotbe now south korea and how are they doing????? on top of their group.
shame on Fu*king Branko and shame on Dadkan e haramzade:furious::furious::furious::furious::furi ous::furious::furious::furious:

so now afshin ghotbi is the real difference between our football and korea's??
:rolleyes:

and name the coaches better than branko who were available for TM??

[yashar_fasihnia]

Hahahaha .
“why weren’t you informed?”
hahahaha

good one.
I’ll give you a typical branko answer , since you like him so much:
“next time, I’ll be sure to tell all applicants to send their applications and requests not to IFF , but to yashar fasihnia at #1, dubai street, dubai.”

I know it is hard to accept facts that don’t match with what you want to believe.
I have seen this trend in many branko supporters and die hard fans … as they emulate their idol.
But seriously, there have been countless occasions where the coaches themselves have said it, and some have even come to Iran for the matter.
Yet you deny.

Hehehehe

So be it .
Whatever that gets you through the day, my friend. Whatever !



plz dont give me general answers, give me specific examples.
who was there who had more advantages for us than branko?

ur argument is not valid without solid examples although u do crack good jokes at times ;)



2-other coaches:

aari haan is worse than branko?
This is even more ridiculous and laughable!
The very same aari haan with a bunch of inferior players defeated branko with a bunch of highly talented players.


arie haan has not had one single achievement throughout his coaching career (someone posted this on the football forum before with proof)

and about the china game, its ironic how u call people like me "blind" yet, u conveniently ignore facts like
1)WE WERE PLAYING IN CHINA unless u dont wanna agree about the host advantage either!
2)we played with 10 men for almost a whole half if im not mistaken and eventually we were reduced to 9 men versus their 11!
3)The refree was clearly biased, while he easily gave our players red cards for something that may or may not have deserved a red, he didnt even book the chinese defender when he tackled karimi to avoid a 1 on 1!
4)our players missed chances, the most evident one, badavi missing an empty goal!

YET WE LOST IN THE PENALTY KICKS which is not even considered a loss technically! and that too, guess who missed the penalty, IMAN MOBALI who people like u were crying over because branko didnt invite him! for god's sake, mobali's best asset is his accurcay and shot power, he was brought by branko in the 117th minute or so, just to take 1 single penalty, thats all branko wanted from him, and guess wat, he missed! and ofcourse, yahya's weird chip was the second miss and china eventually went to the finals!
no, im not blaming yahya and mobali for the penalty misses cos greatest players miss them too, but i just wanna remind u, that u again, like by now, everybody on PFDC knows, u are looking at the matter like a computer 0 & 1, black & white, true & false, watever u wanna call it!

so dont temme arie haan outplayed branko in coaching in that game!
branko is way smarter than aire han and more knowledgeable, BUT HAAN HAS A STRONGER PERSONALITY THAN BRANKO!!

and i guess u still dont agree with the fact that talent alone wont get us far otherwise u wouldnt be doctor doom ;)

like always, i agree to admit branko's mistakes but u as usual, never do appreciate anything about branko and all u do is blame him!

keep it up! shows ur credibility. and like martin reza says, the tone of the posts of the people who follow or worship ur posts clearly talks for itself!



Secondly, it is rather tragic that some of you still defend branko technically.
I’d suggest before you embarrass yourselves even more, stop this.

Hell, even if we had MK, we’d have done better.
MK’s fault was , he didn’t have any variations in his plans and was one-dimensional.
Well, good morning.
So was branko the moron from croatia.
Once the opponents nullified his original tactics, he was stuck like a donkey in mud !

But MK has the upper hand, in arranging & playing the team to its strength : attacking football, which is our nature.
Branko the moronic wimp, didn’t even do that !!



for heavens sake, maelli kohan doesnt even know how to speel 4-4-2, he is still stuck with an ancient 3-5-2 formation! :rolleyes:
like i said, u dont look at the whole picture, u only focus on one point and blow it out of proportion!

have u forgotten how maelli kohan used to FORCE and punish players for not praying, and all those religious stuff and playing "takhtenard"??
how do u think the guys would feel in such an environment! ironically, the same people are complaining about dictatorship in TM!!!
imagine teymourian and zandi in maelli kohan's camp! for heavens sake, i doubt he would even invite them!:rofl:

branko had no tactics??
how many different formations has iran played under branko???
but maelli kohan?? :rofl: kick the ball from defense to offense, hopefully daei or bagheri will head the ball to azizi and will create a chance with daei!
the main reason TM succeeded under maelli kohan was that our players were young,energetic and hungry: daei, azizi, bagheri, estilli, khakpour, abedzadeh, mahdavikia!

it was the amazing bagheri,daei,azizi trio supported by estilli and kia from behind and a rock solid GK like abedzadeh who saved maelli kohan's face!
our midfield wasnt as great as it is now, but our GK and our forwards (the 2 most crucial lines in a team which actually influence the scoreline of a game) was much better in maelli kohans era!

and on top of this, remember that besides south korea, no other team was really on top level. teams like japan and saudi arabia had started to develop!

dont even compare maelli kohan with branko! NOW THIS IS SOMETHING REALLY RIDICULOUS & LAUGHABLE!
sire be piyaze migi, ah ah, boo midi :rolleyes:



The saddest and most tragic part is some of us show the tendency of being content with just about any crap that exists !
No hunger.
No desire to improve or betterment.
No will to exercise some control over our lives.

We agree with anything and everything … no matter how many times it’s proven not to be right.
No wonder these mullahs have remained in power for so long !

Becoz we are too lazy, and have no will to demand betterment !
So much that we look like a bunch of “too sari khor”s , who even the dregs of the outside world like branko, treat us like crap .
And some of us not only take this crap, but actually defend it !!

A mate of mine said: you get what you deserve.
It’s true.

we got this moron, becoz many of us didn’t have the guts to demand progress, and were content with just about any sh*t thrown in front of us !
oh yes we are satisfied with branko, but u on the other hand will only be satisifed if we get hiddink or mourinho!
dream on!

a mate of mine once said: its no use building castles in the air.
COINCIDENTALLY, It's true as well ;)

we didnt have guts to demand progress :rolleyes:
ok, next time IFF wants to appoint a new coach, plz lead the way and i will follow in u demanding us to get hiddink for TM! and make sure he comes to iran to coach TM!:cool:

[faraz]

hameh een harfah beekhodeh,

Branko is out
Dadkan is out
Daei is out
Yayha is out

Let's focus on the future, because I wish to forget this world cup. We were not successful, and neither Branko nor our players nor our federation succeeded, and that is a fact.

Aghayeh Branko, thank you, but it is time for you to depart. We need something fresh, something new, and something original to improve our TM.

[smanhoobi]

Aghayeh Branko, thank you, but it is time for you to depart.

That, he will definitely do. The question though is whether anyone else can do better with the status of our football and our mentality.

What Yashar is trying to say is that. And that, is quite relevant to the future of our football and must be discussed even after the departure of all mentioned.

Because, if we keep on focusing on side issues, we will miss the whole picture and fandamental issues. One of them being our fans and media.

Right on Yashar jaan. I am enjoying your vision and I think you are in a right track. I must say, I can support all that you said.

Despite what has been claimed, and rightfully pointed out by you refering to what martin reza has pointed out about the tone of others, we are NOT supporters of any soul I guess. In other words, we do not acquire directions in our thoughts. Its just saying what the whole picture is and where the problem lies.

I posted Safaei Farahani's interview in this forum. He says it all and he is exactly saying what we are trying to say. Although I do not think he "alone" was enough for our football and I never fully supported him in everything, but I am not biased toward accepting words of truth. Even though, it comes from a mouth that I dont support 100%.

This shows that, I for one, go with right words and phrases. Who says that, DOES NOT matter at all.

Again. Mersi Yashar jaan for saving a lot of writings for us who think otherwise than DD and individuals with the same line of thinking.

People give numbers in the magnitude of 70 million in their support. I think we should prove that those numbers are not true.

[Dr.shark]

so now afshin ghotbi is the real difference between our football and korea's??
:rolleyes:

and name the coaches better than branko who were available for TM??
you are so funny as far as afshine qhotbe goes he is a much better assitent coach then any one and all of those working under Fu*king branko right now. How many of these people working under Fu*king branko have taken an asian team to 4th place in the world cup ????? afshine qhotbe has.
as far as head coach goes we have are haan we also have that brazilain head coach of our youth TM in our hands any one of them would be better then Fu*king Branko. by the way if korea can fire their coach and austrelia can fire their coach and K.S.A. can fire their coach and all of them can bring in a new coach why do you think we can't??? what do we rape coaches that they would not come to Iran ????
we have had many coaches come to Iran to coach our TM and our club teams in 98 we had a barzilain he took over from a europeian coach and after 98 we got Fu*king Branko and his master the man that took croita to top 3 in world cup 98. so we don't have problems gettig coaches if we want to get them and any of those head coaches would be better then Fu*king Branko who is only an assitent coach him self.
maybe you think us Irane people are below the rest of the world but us Irane people are not below the rest of the world and people love comming to Iran and working for us our other sport also have coaches from europian countrys as well.
if you think that we have problems getting a coach think again.

[Dr.shark]

That, he will definitely do. The question though is whether anyone else can do better with the status of our football and our mentality.

What Yashar is trying to say is that. And that, is quite relevant to the future of our football and must be discussed even after the departure of all mentioned.

Because, if we keep on focusing on side issues, we will miss the whole picture and fandamental issues. One of them being our fans and media.

Right on Yashar jaan. I am enjoying your vision and I think you are in a right track. I must say, I can support all that you said.

Despite what has been claimed, and rightfully pointed out by you refering to what martin reza has pointed out about the tone of others, we are NOT supporters of any soul I guess. In other words, we do not acquire directions in our thoughts. Its just saying what the whole picture is and where the problem lies.

I posted Safaei Farahani's interview in this forum. He says it all and he is exactly saying what we are trying to say. Although I do not think he "alone" was enough for our football and I never fully supported him in everything, but I am not biased toward accepting words of truth. Even though, it comes from a mouth that I dont support 100%.

This shows that, I for one, go with right words and phrases. Who says that, DOES NOT matter at all.

Again. Mersi Yashar jaan for saving a lot of writings for us who think otherwise than DD and individuals with the same line of thinking.

People give numbers in the magnitude of 70 million in their support. I think we should prove that those numbers are not true.
well their is 70 million In Iran right now so if you are on of those living in Iran and you support Fu*king branko then we still have 69,999,999 people think like me in Iran as a matter of fact we got the governmet of Iran think like us too how do you like that.
and out side of Iran their is a lot of us that think like that to. so how do you like that

[smanhoobi]

well their is 70 million In Iran right now so if you are on of those living in Iran and you support Fu*king branko then we still have 69,999,999 people think like me in Iran as a matter of fact we got the governmet of Iran think like us too how do you like that.
and out side of Iran their is a lot of us that think like that to. so how do you like that

I like it and respect it, IF what you said is true. People like you who attribute their thoughts to numbers without having a solid evidence is the reason why we are so much BEHIND the world in EVERYTHING.

NO. We are NOT an inferior race. We are just LESS educated in SOCIAL matters.

Your tone of criticism and dsiagreement is the PROOF of that. You are the exact example of our fundamental issue.

AND, I have no business with someone at your class. Talk clean, and I will respond to you. You do NOT represent the culture that I am more or less proud of.

[Doctor DOOM]

forgive me if I dont buy some of these posts and arguements and dont respect the words put together, as I would rather trust the informed professional experts , rather than a bunch of kids in denial and laj baaz ( just like thier idol ).

[Dr.shark]

plz dont give me general answers, give me specific examples.
who was there who had more advantages for us than branko?

ur argument is not valid without solid examples although u do crack good jokes at times ;)



arie haan has not had one single achievement throughout his coaching career (someone posted this on the football forum before with proof)

and about the china game, its ironic how u call people like me "blind" yet, u conveniently ignore facts like
1)WE WERE PLAYING IN CHINA unless u dont wanna agree about the host advantage either!
2)we played with 10 men for almost a whole half if im not mistaken and eventually we were reduced to 9 men versus their 11!
3)The refree was clearly biased, while he easily gave our players red cards for something that may or may not have deserved a red, he didnt even book the chinese defender when he tackled karimi to avoid a 1 on 1!
4)our players missed chances, the most evident one, badavi missing an empty goal!

YET WE LOST IN THE PENALTY KICKS which is not even considered a loss technically! and that too, guess who missed the penalty, IMAN MOBALI who people like u were crying over because branko didnt invite him! for god's sake, mobali's best asset is his accurcay and shot power, he was brought by branko in the 117th minute or so, just to take 1 single penalty, thats all branko wanted from him, and guess wat, he missed! and ofcourse, yahya's weird chip was the second miss and china eventually went to the finals!
no, im not blaming yahya and mobali for the penalty misses cos greatest players miss them too, but i just wanna remind u, that u again, like by now, everybody on PFDC knows, u are looking at the matter like a computer 0 & 1, black & white, true & false, watever u wanna call it!

so dont temme arie haan outplayed branko in coaching in that game!
branko is way smarter than aire han and more knowledgeable, BUT HAAN HAS A STRONGER PERSONALITY THAN BRANKO!!

and i guess u still dont agree with the fact that talent alone wont get us far otherwise u wouldnt be doctor doom ;)

like always, i agree to admit branko's mistakes but u as usual, never do appreciate anything about branko and all u do is blame him!

keep it up! shows ur credibility. and like martin reza says, the tone of the posts of the people who follow or worship ur posts clearly talks for itself!




for heavens sake, maelli kohan doesnt even know how to speel 4-4-2, he is still stuck with an ancient 3-5-2 formation! :rolleyes:
like i said, u dont look at the whole picture, u only focus on one point and blow it out of proportion!

have u forgotten how maelli kohan used to FORCE and punish players for not praying, and all those religious stuff and playing "takhtenard"??
how do u think the guys would feel in such an environment! ironically, the same people are complaining about dictatorship in TM!!!
imagine teymourian and zandi in maelli kohan's camp! for heavens sake, i doubt he would even invite them!:rofl:

branko had no tactics??
how many different formations has iran played under branko???
but maelli kohan?? :rofl: kick the ball from defense to offense, hopefully daei or bagheri will head the ball to azizi and will create a chance with daei!
the main reason TM succeeded under maelli kohan was that our players were young,energetic and hungry: daei, azizi, bagheri, estilli, khakpour, abedzadeh, mahdavikia!

it was the amazing bagheri,daei,azizi trio supported by estilli and kia from behind and a rock solid GK like abedzadeh who saved maelli kohan's face!
our midfield wasnt as great as it is now, but our GK and our forwards (the 2 most crucial lines in a team which actually influence the scoreline of a game) was much better in maelli kohans era!

and on top of this, remember that besides south korea, no other team was really on top level. teams like japan and saudi arabia had started to develop!

dont even compare maelli kohan with branko! NOW THIS IS SOMETHING REALLY RIDICULOUS & LAUGHABLE!
sire be piyaze migi, ah ah, boo midi :rolleyes:


oh yes we are satisfied with branko, but u on the other hand will only be satisifed if we get hiddink or mourinho!
dream on!

a mate of mine once said: its no use building castles in the air.
COINCIDENTALLY, It's true as well ;)

we didnt have guts to demand progress :rolleyes:
ok, next time IFF wants to appoint a new coach, plz lead the way and i will follow in u demanding us to get hiddink for TM! and make sure he comes to iran to coach TM!:cool:
yes we have seen your Fu*king Branko coaching and we have seen what he does subing people in for 2 min and then subbing them right out:nono: just what does he think that will do to the player and what did he see in 2 min?? how many time can a player touch the ball in 2 min???
or how about him subbing in players on the 90min?? wow we are cooking now:nono: :nono:
or let's see him playing the same line of players for 4 years and then calling up some players that have only played for Iran 1 time in their life
taking them to theworld cup and then changeing the line up he was using for the last 4years (a line up with all the big names that we have or he says we have) and putting in these poor players that have never had the chance to get ready. oh you don't know what I am talking about ???? I am talking about players like bakhteyarzade that after todays game he can say he has now played for Iran 2 time in his life.
let's look at some of his suprises that he has making poor kia that just came off injurys be the play maker and asking him to run up and down the field to help with both attack and deffence yet at the same time taking out other good players like karimi and not touching players like daie that would not run unless the ball was passed to him and was running away from the ball too?????
wow what coaching wow
or his last sub taking out kabbe and puting in borhane to play as deffencemen woo striker playing in deffence??
what can I say that is a suprise angola must have been wondering what to do when they saw borhane playing for kabbe:nono: :nono: :nono:
by the way china 11 men us 10 men us playing in china that is a joke when we played that same china in 98 in china we won 4-0 with our 98 team if you say this team is so much better then we should pull off the same type of results did we?? no.
we had 2 irane coaches take our teams to the world cup our teams stayed as a team played as a team and left as a team they did not start fights with each other at the world cups.
what about Fu*king Branko what happend to his team ???? did they paly together?? no did they fight with each other ???? yes did they act as a team ???? no
WOW Fu*king Branko is the man the best thing to have happen to us indeed we should all line up kiss the ground he walks on then his feet and then his A$$ for what he has done for us.
no wonder he can say we should be happy we are at the world cup.
1st it was we lost to korea the same korea that fired their coach brought in dick advocat and afshene qhotbe by the way he Fu*king Branko said we lost to the number 4 team of the world he did not know that the korea team he lost to was all know players and young too.
then it was us playing croatia and he said we are playing the number 3 team in the world score 2-2 look at that coratia team how are they doing in their group by the way????
then it was mexico we are playing the number 4 team in the world the same number 4 team in the worl that has lost to costa rica,U.S., T&T, the (b) team of holand and could not pull of a win over number 57 angola
then it was the number 2 team in europe potugal.
well what about the (C) team of macdonia???? what about them why did we lose with our (a) to them???? why Fu*king Branko I want him to tell us why we lost that game????
what about jordan why Fu*king Branko why did we lose in tehran to them WHY??????
what is their numbers are they also nember 2,3,4, in the world ?????
why could we not pull of a win over angola why?????
what are we number 23 ??? we not lower then 30 so lets say we are number 30 what is angola ????? 57??? let's say 45 shoul;d we not win over them just like the number 2,3,4,5,6,7, won oevr us????
so why Fu*king Branko did we lose thes games ??? why is it a success for us to win over angola ??????? why??????
is angola power house in football ???????
just how many time have they won the world cup ??? as a matter of fact what have they won????
so what did Fu*king Branko do ??? he was their at the right time to take a very good and strong Irane team that was all about attack and he started winning game and some cups with them but over time he made them worse as he put down good players yes mobalie missed a shot on net but mobalei is no ronoldo and even ronoldo misses shots some time if you didn't know.
but at the same time he deffende players like merzapooor and we saw what happend to merzapoor.
the puts in a man like daie to play for 90 even if he walks, but he pulls out hashemian who was running?????
if he wants to play daie that is fine as long as daie car run and do some thing out their but if daie can't run and is doing nothiing why is he not pulling him out?????
even I know to take a player that is not running out and I am not a coach.
yet Fu*king Branko does not know that and he is a so called head coach now??????
this is the man that is so good???? the man that is proud to just be in the world cup hell we are not angola and even angola this beingtheir 1st time in the world cup are not happy with their results they wanted more?????
even T&T are not happy they wanted more yet we should be happy ???
happy for what having had 6 goales scored on us and having answered back only 2??????
:furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:
shame on you so called Iranes that support a mouse like Fu*king Branko who puts down your country of birth or the country were your perants were born by making them be lower then the lowest teams in the world cup.
any Irane coach even mk would be better then Fu*king branko just because they would never say they are happey that we are their they would all be a shamed of them self if were with this team right now.
this is the most sad event for irane football a black day for Iran and Irane football to see the so called Irane fans deffend a mouse that does nothing but put Iran down in front of the world
yes it does not get bigger then the world cup. MK's rusults was only seen by people in asia and not even all of asia but Fu*king Branko well every one in the world that looks at football or follows football in any way has seen just how much we suck thank you thank you very much Fu*king Branko you are the man on your 3 biggest games with Iran you showed the world who we are and then you said it's not bad we should be happy that we made it ??
what are we pakistan that we should be happy that we just made it?????
some of you need to think before you go all out supporting this mouse I do not care what he did or how good it was the result that was most improtent to us was for us to do good at the world cup this wa smore importent the asian cup and all other cups what happened???? did we win even 1 game??? no and what we need to thank this mouse for what he did for us???? I love Iran to much to thank a loser like Fu*king Branko I love Iran to much to show any type of respect to a loser like Fu*king barnko and I love Iran just too much that 's why I hate Fu*king branko and yes my tone is jsut because that mouse has put me and all of Iran dwon with the s*th that come out of his mouth and this is were I can answer him back so I will keep it up until I feel I have answerd him back and I got a long long way to go those that know me they know what I am talking about. shame on Fu*king Branko shame on Dadkan e Haramzade shame on those so called Mollas that call them self Mollas and supported Dadkan e haramzade for him time as head of I.F.F. Shame on them all laanat ALLAH allll avalen wa llal akharen alll yamol qheyamat on them all:furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:

[smanhoobi]

DD jaan:

Laj baazee about what? Why is your opinion not considered a laj bazee?

What is it that I am doing and you are not my friend? We are both defending our view points? Arent we? So whats the big deal about this?

And, again, for the 1000th time. NOBODY is defending Branko as such. NOBODY. All we are saying is that we need to look at fundamental issues. Blaming what has happened to couple of individuals is flat our wrong. WRONG. Cause its not only about Branko and Co.

The guy has done some fine job in the light of what he has provided with. He has done some mistakes too. Crusifying him over this is NOT right. It will bring us NOTHING. BECAUSE, he is not the only GUILTY party.

When a TEAM looses, a TEAM looses. Doki jaan, any of those EXPERTS you rely on for your opinions should have told you this fundamental issue in sports. "When a TEAM looses, a TEAM looses."
When a TEAM looses, a TEAM looses
When a TEAM looses, a TEAM looses
When a TEAM looses, a TEAM looses

[zzgloo]

I agree with smanhoobi , as I have said the same thing over and over......
..............................
We should judg the situation as if a year has gone by....and not with today's frustrated emotions........................

[Dr.shark]

well I think we should make a big deal out of this now not a year from now. a year from now we have to deal with what is going on at that time. Hard puneshment must be given to all those that are at blame for our results at this world cup. and the head of that is Dadkan e Haramzade and Fu*king branko.

[perspolees]

dadkan is gone, so is branko..

IN KHAR MEERE YEKI DIGE MIYAD!
this is exactly the third annivarsary of me saying this on this board...fundamentals were never attended to hence this is what we have.

before the games I put up my tickets for sale on ebay! I thought after watching Iran in their friendlies that I really can't take it to go to Germany and see the idiot Branko and his Gestapo iron hold captain to ruin all of my hopes and cheers for my beloved country. I could not live with myself and I went to the games just to see the disaster!

all the blind ons...I congratulate you for your persistance on keeping the blinds on...carry on with long live branko, daei and Co! mottos....daei has declared that he will attempt to play in 2010...lololol I am sure that you will find excuses to support that as well...maybe we even bring back branko!

on this board the majority thought that we will go thru!! to second round or at least collect four points!!
I have said that then and I say it now....for that mentality, Branko and daei along with mirza and nosrati and our soorakh defa are all a perfect match!! its all about a big soorakh that does not hold brain cells!

[Doctor DOOM]

soheil jan,
my words were not directed at you.

and I am writing this, only becoz of you. ( as I had decided not write anything for sometime )

soheil jan,
nobody, also, said branko was THE ONLY problem we've had.

but some of these kids and laj baaz fellows defend the indefensible.
and now they are trying to put the blame onto others and distract from where we failed .

for the last time, I am saying this:

yes, we have a defunt and deficient football in Iran. But how many countries have the perfect football?
None !
Take a look at Italy, or England or ….
No country has the perfect one, bereft of problems, scandals, deficiencies, … .

Yes, we don’t have proper and top class infrastructure.
But there aren’t that many who do, and there are countries who don’t, and yet, they do well in major tournaments.

The issue of these basic and infrastructural needs is one that we all have gone over, and all are of the agreement that we need …. Desperately, to tend to these.

BUT, the point is , even though we have these problems, we do reach he WC and we are talented, and we are a passionate footballing nation, and our fans are not all that dumb and our players are getting better with each passing year and …..
To deny this , is to deny daylight.

The matter right now is why didn’t we use all we had at our disposal , for these WC games?
Why weren’t we at our maximum-possible best ?
Especially since we had time, we gave the coach plenty of resources, time , funds, …
Also, since we had the most talented bunch of Iranian players , mostly experienced and exposed adequately, gathered at this point of time.


We are talking about mistakes that could have easily been prevented.
This has absolutely NOTHING to do with lacks in infrastructure or …. !


When we have 7 issues going against us, let us , at least, get the other 3 issues right to compensate for this 7 wrongs.
We didn’t.

Why?
Becoz some of us are lazy, some others have inferiority complex, some others are after the wrong goals, some … !


I’ll give you a few examples of things that could and shd have been done better , and they never materialized !

Example 1- Daei’s performance is open to all, and no matter how we try to defend it, he just didn’t perform well enough.
Does keeping him for 90 minutes, when he’s performing sub-par, spring from lack of stadia in seestaan ?

Example 2 – the coach, whose capability was apparent to all ( but some did laj baazi and denied the truth ) refuses to include a physical trainer for the team.
Is our infrastructure at fault for his refusal ?

( one would think our bad infrastructure shd have been THE reason for him to want one on his team !! )


Example 3 – a coach who has worked with the same set of players for 5 bloody long years, still is unable to get even a half-decent team-work out of the players.
We still see TM play as a set of 11 individuals , rather than a team.

You want to blame the culture for this ?

Example 4 – some of the most horrendous and stupid substitution tactics was seen by branko.
Subbings where not only they didn’t help the team or change the rhythm of the game, .. but also weakened the team at times !
How is this related to Iranian football’s shortcomings ( which are plenty )?

Example 5 – despite repeated failures of the coach to take the team ahead in terms of performance and quality , our officials not only don’t do anything, but deny reality, twist the truth, lie and cheat, label all those who criticize, …. .


now, some of us out of pure laj baazi ( and insecurity to admit to their wrong original beleifs ) are picking out scape-goats like karimi or daei or ... !
utter garbage !

who is responsible for some horrible selections?
karimi?

who is responsible for denying addition of a psychologist to the team?
karimi?

who is responsible for picking some of the most stupid, inferior and useless staff to back this moronic assistant coach ?
karimi?

who is responsible for screwing with a team that used to attack well, and force it to lose its natural ability ?
karimi?

who is responsible for the coach's lack of ability and his one-dimensional system.
a system that once it is countered, the coach is left flabbergasted and confused as to what the hell he shd do !!
karimi?

who is responsible for appointing not one, but two coaches for a GK who still makes the same mistakes he used to make 4-5 years back?
karimi?

who is responsible for injecting self-doubt, fear and insecurity into the team , so when they face even a weak mexican team, they crumble and dont beleive they can win them?
karimi?

who is responsible for runnign away from any semblance of decent opposition in friendlies , so when the players do face big names, they would fold and foil like we did ?
karimi?

who is responsible for ..........



And there are many many more issues that are similar to these.
Issues and mistakes that could have been prevented and avoided had we a better IFF and coaching staff … which, btw, was imminently possible ( despite what immature fans claim. )

Finally, nobody has to take MY words for these.
As I am but a simple fan, with no claims.

However, there are many professional experts and coaches and … who have said the exact thing.
And ARE saying it even today, after this fiasco.

So plz forgive me if I don’t heed , credit , or even respect these little kids who think they can analyze a situation and come up with different theories than ppl whose jobs are this.

the problem is some immature, naive little kids ( mentally, although some , chronologically shd be more than adults ) still try to defend the indefensible, and try to paint a different pictrure of a coach, a staff and an IFF haed who were wrong from the very beginning.

when these children refuse to face reality, then you see more ppl talk about these ppl's failings and mistakes.

if we all accept where we went worng, then this opens up the way for us to , finally, LEARN from our mistakes and failures, AND MAYBE NEXT TIME WE WOULDNT MAKE THEM AGAIN !
but when we adamantly refuse to see the truth ,and out of our insecurity, still defend a failed issue, then that leaves no room for going forward.
hence we still talk about how miserable we were and blame this and that and .... !


yes, I DARE say, even with our deficient infrastructure and psychology and inferior stadia and ... we COULD HAVE done far far better at this WC.
we had the talent, potential and time to do it right.
and we wasted it on the wrong ppl.

this WC was to be our big event, our break through.
and we dropped the ball .
.... dropped it at least 2 years ago !
( yet some of us didnt see it, .... some dont like to accept it , even now !! )


===========
vassalam.

all I can say in the end is, I hope at least, those ppl who wanted to retain branko for the WC, so he would get this into his resume ( and I dare say, had the good of branko as their priority , AND NOT TM & IRAN ) , are happy, satisfied and content, they achieved their goal.

it's better to see some among many, happy , rather than ALL sad .

[Hajagha]

For how long can you go on fooling yourself by finding ONE scapegoat as excuse for everything? It's the same story for a decade now and some never learn.
Not surprisingly the tone by people who always seek such easy solution is often the same.

Very good post, just remember for the next coach when you list his victories and calim "he is the best coach Iran ever had". Scapegoat should work both sides.

I am sure Branko now lists all his vicories with Iran in his resume and never mention names like Azizi who coming in minute 80 t save his a$$ (while he talked bs about him), or having Karimi who could dribble 3 players, or we played against Laos way too many times. He doesn't know Parvin won the highest number of trouphy as a coach in Iran too.

Cheers

[Doctor DOOM]

btw, I forgot to add this:

all those idiots who , instead of looking at quality and performances, had eyes for "numbers" only, can now, write those numbers on a long pole and shove it up their kazoo as this WC PROVED those numbers have such uses only.

we saw how those "numbers" translated to this misery when we faced half-decent teams ... or even very weak teams like angola !

happy shoving.

[Ali Chicago]

Doctor Doom Jaan,
Can I kindly request that you tone down a bit. We all have different points of view and obviously none of us is always right. Right now, you have a picture of Dadkan with a cross on it. Now, just think about it, maybe and just maybe your and my opposition to Dadkan actually will help to factiliate and pave the way to have even worst people like Mayeli or even hezbollahier than Dadkan.

We don't know, do we? Point is someone later can talk to you , I or whoever that opposed Dadkan and Branko with the same tone? "happy shoving!!!!!". Reading your postings , indicated you have a very analytical mind and I suggest we don't use terms like that.

First step toward progress for us Iranian is to learn to have a dialouge. In order to dialouge not argument is to accept the fact that none of us and I repeat none of us has the monopoly of truth.

I read some of your posting. Could you really guarenty if we hand Macala it would not have been pretty much the same? !!!!!

we all are Iranians and trying to do the best (or at least what we think is best for Iran), none of us are agent of forigen governments or anything. So, let agree to disagree and none of the shoving stuff please.

That is one thing I admire about americans and even Isrealies (the way they respect an American or Isrealie). American still are searching in Vietnam to find the bones of dead Americna soliders. Or Isealies exchange one Isreali soilder with liek 100 Paletinian. Because they respect their compatriots even their deads. Can we say the same about our own country men or women? Do we treat and respect each other the same way?

[yashar_fasihnia]

i think that post of doctor doom was towards me because of certain words and phrases used, if u werent talking about me peyman khan, plz ignore this message.


nobody, also, said branko was THE ONLY problem we've had.
but some of these kids and laj baaz fellows defend the indefensible.
and now they are trying to put the blame onto others and distract from where we failed .

however, ur avatar, ur constant bashing of ONLY branko and accusing him for every short coming says otherwise.
however, the immature, lajbaaz idol worshipper kid (me) never stopped myself of criticising branko of wat i thought was wrong, yet, i supported him because i was afraid of today when maelli kohan takes over!
well, u seemed to prefer him over branko anywayz, i hope ur happy now that u dont wanna talk about this matter for sometime (as u said in ur post).
gudluck to maelli kohan and his team and the lat aliabadi who hasnt even touched a football in his entire life yet he is head of tarbiyat badani!

lets see how much success we will have now that branko is gone and a worse guy (and his team) will take over. i promise i wont "distract" u and others from the real reasons we failed this time and dont blame others (although i dont really remember who except our country's current status as a whole) :rolleyes:

i dunno wat to say when the mature experienced "unlajbaz" "un naive" fan like u who is supported by his "critiques" on TV and in the iranian "newspaper" consider branko the main reason we fail and not the the real root of not only our football but all our problems in the world which is our country's political, economic and cultural status!
Yes, im the one defending the indefensible, not u who thinks this means "blaming others for my idol/god whoever - Branko"


yes, we have a defunt and deficient football in Iran. But how many countries have the perfect football?
None !
Take a look at Italy, or England or ….
No country has the perfect one, bereft of problems, scandals, deficiencies, … .

Yes, we don’t have proper and top class infrastructure.
But there aren’t that many who do, and there are countries who don’t, and yet, they do well in major tournaments.

The issue of these basic and infrastructural needs is one that we all have gone over, and all are of the agreement that we need …. Desperately, to tend to these.
.
For heavens sake, ur comparing us with italy and england?? just because no country's football system is perfect and without errors, that means they should be like iran's??

i guess it doesnt matter if their players play in worldclass leagues, against the toughest opponents, the most professional attitudes, the most advanced fitness levels, the harshest conditions, the most advanced facilites & knowldge(both tactically and technically) week in week out, sometimes twice or even thrice a week!
All this doesnt make a difference huh?
then wat does?

The usual "binary" doctor doom, no country has a perfect football system, take a look at italy and england,,,! that means we should be performing like all other teams because our football system has errors just like others. :rolleyes:


BUT, the point is , even though we have these problems, we do reach he WC and we are talented, and we are a passionate footballing nation, and our fans are not all that dumb and our players are getting better with each passing year and …..
To deny this , is to deny daylight.

and to deny that passion and talent alone will get us far and help us play beautiful football is to deny "nightlight" :D
no other factor of football matters i suppose.

i dont even wanna mention that other teams also do have talent (maybe not as much as us), passion, and evne other benefits we dont! so why shouldnt they progress? are they all gonna sit still and wait for iran to progress? infact their progress is much faster than iran's, even teams like qatar and thailand!


The matter right now is why didn’t we use all we had at our disposal , for these WC games?
Why weren’t we at our maximum-possible best ?
Especially since we had time, we gave the coach plenty of resources, time , funds, …

depends wat u call maximum resources at our disposal.
besides the friendly matches, wat DIDNT we do to have maximum possible best? we couldnt get worldclass coaches, so we had to stick to wat WE COULD HAVE! oh well, we could have maelli kohan as well whom u preferred to branko, but i guess u dont speak for everybody here, neither do i. thats why i said, it depends how u define "maximum possible best"

about why we didnt have more friendlys, most of them were cancelled, thanx to our political situation in the world(nothing major comapred to branko's flaws :rolleyes:). some might argue that branko didnt wanna hold friendly games because he was scared of losing his spot after looking at ivic.
First of all, let me say wat we did to ivic was totally unprofessional and because we conceded from roma 7 goals we have to fire one of the best coaches to which even the players admitted?? So why should we be complaining? we are the ones being unprofessional about it and anyone in branko's position would suspect the same from a bunch of lat corrupt selfish illiterate (atleast in the field of football) fools who are running the show?
All this is only ASSUMING we didnt have friendly's because branko was scared he would get fired!

Besides, the only 2 decent friendlies we got was because of branko's contacts with croatia and bosnia! had it been maelli kohan with taht rish of his and friend of ali abadi and ahamdinejad, god knows if the world would even speak to this guy to arrange a friendly game!

Secondly, we werent at our peak, because our most influential players were all injured just before the worldcup! none of them were perfectly match fit and this was our bad luck! and the rest were IPL fitness, experience, professional and knowledgeable level! wat do u expect?
infact, today morning, IRINN channel (khabar channel) made interviews the TM players in the airport, u wanna know wat karimi said: "ma natayeje matlubio nagerefti faghat bekhatereinke vaziyate jesmanimun be hade jame jahani nabud! ma faghat vaziyate badani az harifamun kamtar budim va ino ghabl az jame jahaniyam goftebudim ke ma sartar az harifamunam mitunim bashim vali ba vaziyat badaniye khub"!
here is wat mirzapour said "motasefane, bacheha az nazare ghodrate badani kam ovordan tu baziha va moshakhas bud ke bad az deyghe 60 ma teame ma zaeef mishod va bekhtare hamin golamuno age tavajoh konin bad az deyghe 60 khordim." here is the interesting part.. "8 ta az bazikonaye aslimun natunestan tu orduye badansaziyemun sherkat konan bekhtare masdumiyat ya vazaefe bashgahi"!
u be the judge if im twisting reality or making up excuses to defend my idol or not!

i dunno why branko didnt accept a fitness coach, i havent read or heard anything about it to be able to reason it to myself, but if there was no reason except that branko thought he could signle handedly do it himself (guys like sharokhi and faraki are just "mojasames" there), he was hugely mistaken and that is a mistake on his part!

this reminds me, branko's kadre fanny, look at them! wat do u expect from such a staff? branko had noone to discuss with matters when he needed help, he was single handed in his job!

and lastly, please dont say branko was given "plenty of resources and funds"
unless ur comparing them to wat japan, korea and saudi arabia invested in! We had NOTHING compared to them!

dont say portugal didnt play many friendlys because portugal and other european teams are of a much better standard in terms of everything!
compare ourselves to other asian countries because we are roughly comparable!


Why?
Becoz some of us are lazy, some others have inferiority complex, some others are after the wrong goals, some … !

and some of us have an unrealistic view and expectations!


Example 1- Daei’s performance is open to all, and no matter how we try to defend it, he just didn’t perform well enough.
Does keeping him for 90 minutes, when he’s performing sub-par, spring from lack of stadia in seestaan ?

no, and nobody said it was because of lack of stadia in seestan. nobody said it was because the sky is blue either!
but daei has influences, and the fact that he provides the jerseys not only for TM (except for WC) but more than half the teams of IPL, his huge success, experience and his character, etc which the same "critiques" who agree to ur arguments also mention does play a role.


Example 2 – the coach, whose capability was apparent to all ( but some did laj baazi and denied the truth ) refuses to include a physical trainer for the team.
Is our infrastructure at fault for his refusal ?

( one would think our bad infrastructure shd have been THE reason for him to want one on his team !! )

sorry, but u dont speak for "all", u speak for SOME, just like i speak for "SOME OTHERS"
compare his records with maelli kohans, then temme who is more capable!
compare his record to ANY IRANIAN COACH, see who is more capable!
or even ur buddy macala who u were voting for months earlier, see how many times he has switched places from national team to clubs team in the gulf! look at his record and temme who is more capable!

dont compare him to coaches who we cant achieve! and dont temme we can have those coaches! u and me both know we cant!
thats why i said, he is the best we could have, cos looking at our other alternatives, its wiser to choose bad instead of worse!


Example 3 – a coach who has worked with the same set of players for 5 bloody long years, still is unable to get even a half-decent team-work out of the players.
We still see TM play as a set of 11 individuals , rather than a team.

You want to blame the culture for this ?

maybe u should compare their team work to the team work we had before him!
if we can have 200 passes in one game under branko, we couldnt have more than 100 before him! unless u were expecting some miracle, this is wat we should or rather u should have expected from branko, TM and iran as a country!
and there is no denial iranians arent the best team workers! and this is because of their mentality which YES, is partly due to culture!

and if u wanna talk about futsal, that was because we were the only coutnry in asia who had a league in futsal! other countries DIDNT EVEN HAVE A FUTSAL LEAGUE earlier! we had individual players like shamsaei and heydarian who could influence our game! we had tecknik which plays a major role in futsal!
look at our condition in futsal today! japan can beat us, thailand can draw with us! and guess wat, we dont have heydarian anymore, shamsaei is getting old and getting known to our opponents and being studied and marked, other countries like japan and uzbekistan have developed a professional futsal league! Does all this seem like a coincidence?


Example 4 – some of the most horrendous and stupid substitution tactics was seen by branko.
Subbings where not only they didn’t help the team or change the rhythm of the game, .. but also weakened the team at times !
How is this related to Iranian football’s shortcomings ( which are plenty )?

Agree, i do get pissed at branko's substitutions.
But there are a few things to remember:
First, sometimes he made subsitutions which helped, like azizi in qatar game, enayati, borhani, khatibi in friendlies against bosnia and croatia.
Secondly, there seems to be some sorta influence in the team agian, most probably be daei and/or ali abadi and gang.
Thirdly, just because u or me dont feel the substitution is right doesnt make the substitution wrong. Brnako is not only more knowledgeable AND experienced than us, he is also more informed about the opponent and the players conditions because he is in direct touch with them!
Fourthly, yes, i still think branko could have made better substitutions but remember, he is no worldclass coach and even if he was, he would still make mistakes and would have his flaws because he too is a human being!


Example 5 – despite repeated failures of the coach to take the team ahead in terms of performance and quality , our officials not only don’t do anything, but deny reality, twist the truth, lie and cheat, label all those who criticize, …. .

thats how u see it.
branko got a lot of good results with the team, so a few bad results doesnt mean he should be fired!
besides, branko openly said he is a result oriented coach, and he did get results much more often than not. maybe ur not pleased with that, but others including the officials are.

also, agian, there are huge gaps and mafia bazis in the authorities, so everyone will be lobbying for their own interest. this is corruption, which u seem to accept exists in our country, so how do u expect everything always happen for the best of the coutnry isntead of certain individuals??


now, some of us out of pure laj baazi ( and insecurity to admit to their wrong original beleifs ) are picking out scape-goats like karimi or daei or ... !
utter garbage !

indeed some of us our lajbaaz, but this doesnt mean its the branko supporter or let me talk about myself who is lajbaaz. being lajbaaz and making excuses is different from having a realistic view and finding the real problems.

i always admitted branko is neither worldclass and he does make mistakes and i disagree with his views many times(i know im not an expert but wat im trying to say is its not that i agree to watever he says or does, or like u say, "my idol") but i support him because i dont want someone worse to take over. and also, i think its not fair to blame and accuse him for everything that goes on.

and if ur talking about me, i never picked a scape goat like daei or karimi, infact i always said its a collection of factors, primarily, our country's political, economic and cultural status.


who is responsible for some horrible selections?
karimi?

no, and noone said it is karimi's fault
besides, horrible selection is wat u see it as.
please show me ur ideal selection. all these players were arguably the best players we had in iran, with mabye 2 or 3 exceptions! In every part of the world, coaches make a few selections which people argue over! its normal!
do u know any better goalkeeper than mirzapour, talebloo, roudbarian?
how many better defenders than kaabi, yahya, rezai, zare, nosrati, sadeghi, sohrab are there in iran?
how many better midfielders than kia, karimi, zandi, nekounam, teymourian, shojaei, kazemiyan, madanchi??
how many better forwards are there than daei, khatibi, enayati, borhani, hashemian?

Remember, branko left out his out of form and injured yet "favoured players" like alavi, nikbakht, navidkia, kameli mofrad, rahmati, jabbari! so dont come up with the excuse that branko chose players based on their "names"


who is responsible for denying addition of a psychologist to the team?
karimi?

like i said, i dunno about this one, but if its true, and if there was no reason at all except branko not wanting him thinking he can do it single handedly, then branko is 100% faulty on this one!
Remember, IF!


who is responsible for picking some of the most stupid, inferior and useless staff to back this moronic assistant coach ?
karimi?

noone said karimi either!
ur just coming up with any type of argument to make ur point doctor jan.
u urself know better nobody say its karimi's fault for any of these, so please make some valid points.


who is responsible for screwing with a team that used to attack well, and force it to lose its natural ability ?
karimi?

result oriented coaches are found all over the world and have proven they can achieve good results. branko openly said he was of this type, but many people prefer this over playing good attacking football but conceding a goal on counter attacks and losing on ur own turf! maybe the officials were fine with that, including fans!


who is responsible for the coach's lack of ability and his one-dimensional system.
a system that once it is countered, the coach is left flabbergasted and confused as to what the hell he shd do !!
karimi?

thats ur opinion, not necessarily the truth. if ur talking about the worldcup,
MY OPINION which almost all the players indicated somehow or the other was our fitness levela nd our stamina was not worldcup level.
no wonder our first half games were good, because we had the energy.

And besides, branko has made iran play more formations than any other coach of iran ever!
the most popular ones are 4-4-2, 3-4-3, 4-2-3-1. how many iranian coaches even know how to play a 4 back flat system?? yet branko is the single dimensioned coach!

hajagha maelli kohan sarapa tactic bud :rolleyes:
viera mashalla faghat goft beyne do nime "bacheha harkari mikhayn bokonin"
aghaye talebi be bacheha goftebud "alman ghavitare, ma mibazim, folan bahman"


who is responsible for appointing not one, but two coaches for a GK who still makes the same mistakes he used to make 4-5 years back?
karimi?

yet a top portugueese club is ready to make him an offer!
mirzapour has improved his kicks there is no denial, however he sometimes embarasses himself and thats his weak point just like every other player who has atleast one.
but, the point is a player whos is playing with mirzapour for 4 years not only in the same national team but also club, is his own room mate, inspiting of knowing this weak point of mirzapour still decides to make AN UNECESSARY back pass to him! a player of serie A level, who faces likes of adriano, gilardinho, inzaghi zlatan, trezeguet, etc, week in week out cant clear a loose ball.

It was a series of individual mistakes which cost us that goal and ultimately that game!


who is responsible for injecting self-doubt, fear and insecurity into the team , so when they face even a weak mexican team, they crumble and dont beleive they can win them?
karimi?

thats wat u think, as far as i know and read, no source claims branko scared the shit out of his players. infact, everybody knows branko is a talented psychologist and will help improve the mentality of our players. even during the worldcup, i read interviews saying players were not afraid of their opponents.

just because our players couldnt challenge portugal and mexico in the second half doesnt mean they doubted themselves.

infact, if u wanna know, it was the media who screwed almost every player of ours for various reasons, mirzapour, nosrati, yahya, etc.

however, u still saw these players on top form after the camp and during the worldcup and INFACT, these players were among the top players of our team!
this couldnt be by accident, surely WORK had been put into restoring the confidence into these players to bring them back to their original form!!


who is responsible for runnign away from any semblance of decent opposition in friendlies , so when the players do face big names, they would fold and foil like we did ?
karimi?

as far as i know, we hardly had any decent proposals to run away from.
ukraine and romania ran away from us!

and u posted this argument before on top, and i replied to it.


who is responsible for ..........

no, its not karimi again! ;)


And there are many many more issues that are similar to these.
Issues and mistakes that could have been prevented and avoided had we a better IFF and coaching staff … which, btw, was imminently possible ( despite what immature fans claim. )

never knew me disagreeing with u or u not understanding my view point and some others makes me immature. sorry!

but then again, i wonder why so many matured fans agree with me.
another mystery, maybe its karimi's fault again :D


Finally, nobody has to take MY words for these.
As I am but a simple fan, with no claims.

However, there are many professional experts and coaches and … who have said the exact thing.
And ARE saying it even today, after this fiasco.

Yes, the same critiques who are hungry, jealous, or belong to some other mafia party in iran. the same critiques whose newspapers spread all the shittiest rumours that noone belives in. Ofcourse, not everything they or u say is wrong, atleast according to me, but to say that all the critiques support wat u say, whether they really do or not doesnt make it really credible specially in iran and u know it urself.

Besides, many of these critiques cant and will not mention the real problems, so they have to resolve to something else.
u thinkany critic will come and say our political status is so devastated that nobody is ready to play us because of our regime??
can they come and say, with every regime comes a new mafia gang. when it was khatami, the head of tarbiyat badani was mehr alizade! when khatimi leaves and ahamdinejad comes, it changes to ali abadi! everybody appoints his own supporters half of them havent even played football in their life!
This is the pathetic situation of our country! not just football, any department! CAN THEY SAY ALL THIS ON TV??:o

even maelli kohan himself admitted in that program on kanal 3 which hadi was tlaking about in another thread, that we can look at the matter from 2 perspectives, "sathi" va "risheyi". ma sathisho baresi mikonim! then he started!
u know why? because THEY CANT AND WILL NOT TALK ABOUT THE RISHEY MATTERS!

if u wanna take a superficial look at things, ok, branko is incharge of the team, he failed! but will this solve our problem? is our problem really branko? if yes, then we bring another coach like maelli kohan(it seems ur wish has come true, hope ur happy now that branko is gone!), he should get good results shouldnt he?
even, even if get mourinho & hitzfeld combined, even if we win worldcup 2010, u think we will become superpowers? NO WE WONT, COS OUR PROBLEMS ARE DEEP IN THE ROOTS! and for tehse problems to be solved, long term solutions are required, not short ones like hiring a worldclass coach for 2 years and then when he leaves, everything will be fine!


So plz forgive me if I don’t heed , credit , or even respect these little kids who think they can analyze a situation and come up with different theories than ppl whose jobs are this.

the problem is some immature, naive little kids ( mentally, although some , chronologically shd be more than adults ) still try to defend the indefensible, and try to paint a different pictrure of a coach, a staff and an IFF haed who were wrong from the very beginning.

when these children refuse to face reality, then you see more ppl talk about these ppl's failings and mistakes.

if we all accept where we went worng, then this opens up the way for us to , finally, LEARN from our mistakes and failures, AND MAYBE NEXT TIME WE WOULDNT MAKE THEM AGAIN !
but when we adamantly refuse to see the truth ,and out of our insecurity, still defend a failed issue, then that leaves no room for going forward.
hence we still talk about how miserable we were and blame this and that and .... !

so its the numbers or the little "22" under my avatar which ur judging me by huh? shows ur credibility. all this coming from a self-claimed rational realistic high standard fan whom all critics support!

and wat, just becase ur wat? maximum 50, u can analyse the situation?
why? how? using only 2 digits, 0 & 1? or 2 colors, black and white?

i might be only 22 years old, but SOME OF MY ARGUEMNTS IF NOT ALL are supported by people on this forum who might be elder than u and based on ur logic, "can analyse the situation better than u"

i might not have seen the world as much as u are, but i have read enough, followed football either on tv, or on the stands or on the field more than enough to have a decent understanding of this sport. and i have conversations with people, (some might even be "the critiques" who support ur claims) and they do tell me a lot about wats going on in TM because they are always around TM.

its ironical how u try to suggest people accept their mistakes, learnt from their pasts, admitting the truth, yet incidents like ivic being replaced by talebi, islamic revolution in 1978 dont seem to be a chapter in ur book!

face reality it seems, look whose talking! :rolleyes:



yes, I DARE say, even with our deficient infrastructure and psychology and inferior stadia and ... we COULD HAVE done far far better at this WC.
we had the talent, potential and time to do it right.
and we wasted it on the wrong ppl.

this WC was to be our big event, our break through.
and we dropped the ball .
.... dropped it at least 2 years ago !
( yet some of us didnt see it, .... some dont like to accept it , even now !! )

agree, we could have done better, but not FAR FAR BETTER like u say!
we could have slightly done better maybe, maybe qualified to second round and then get knocked out, but we were unlucky to be struck with so many long term injuries of all our influential players right before the worldcup! and also not having the right fitness level for the worldcup (the whole kadre fanny is responsible for this).

we didnt drop it 2 years ago if u mean we decided to keep branko, after the bosnia & croatia game, where were u?
that time u never said this, suddenly after the worldcup u come back to ur older claims!


all I can say in the end is, I hope at least, those ppl who wanted to retain branko for the WC, so he would get this into his resume ( and I dare say, had the good of branko as their priority , AND NOT TM & IRAN ) , are happy, satisfied and content, they achieved their goal.

it's better to see some among many, happy , rather than ALL sad .

yea, indeed ur the realistic one here when u "DARE TO SAY" that people like me had branko at a higher priority than TM & Iran! :rolleyes:

well, now that my wish was granted and branko stayed for the worldcup,
nobati ham ke bashe nobate shomast agha peyman, hope ur happy with ali abadi appointing maelli kohan as the new head of IFF.
whose gonna be the new coach now? another member of the same mafia gang?

In the end, i just wanna say that, branko wasnt a worldclass coach, nobody claimed he was. but our football, our management, our federation, our infrastructure, our mentality isnt worldclass either! Branko had many problems, yet he beared with them. He served iran a lot, and ofcourse, iran served him equally! he and ciro caused a revolution in iranian football mainly by inviting players who wore some jersey other than the blue or the red color. they believed in mixing the youth's energy with the elderly's experience. they invited young players from all over the country, even first division azadegan!
they introduced a modern 4 back system, had the guts to play a 16 year old rirght winger as a fix RB for TM (kaabi), they were able to bring back hashemian from exile and zandi from germany, they were able to single handedly support and restore self confidence into our TM players when the whole media and fans looked at them like coakroaches who should be destroyed, they were able to take iran to a new era in football. they helped our football a lot, and they deserve a lot of respect and gratitute from that.

They however had their flaws, their short comings and they made mistakes. noone here tries to take away the responsiblities these coaches had in our performances specially the bad ones (in many of the good ones , the coaches role was ignored!)

but when u look at our other options for branko, i personally think it was a wise decision to stick with branko. If i ever supported him,first it was because i think it wasnt fair of people to blame everything on him without taking into consideration other circumstances which affect our football. Second because i think he was the best we could have at the moment, and just because he was the best we could have doesnt mean he is a world class coach or something. he was a decent coach with some experience at the worldcup level, a very well mannered, diplomatic, knowledgeable(football wise) coach who was respected by everyone and in every article which sited him. Had we any offers from the likes of hiddink, hitzfeld or mourinho, i too, ba cheshmhaye baste would have picked them and would not even think of branko ever again. im neither his family member, nor will i get any benefits from supporting him in any wayz, i just had a view point which i think was right and which many people agreed to. if i was a lajbaaz yedande,or biased towards anyone or anything except TM, i would never ever agree that branko made a mistake in certain decisions in these 4 years and i would never say my favorite teams players like talebloo, enayati and sadeghi deserved to be on the bench and not the starting 11!
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Doctor jan, i wanna say that, i have a very strong feeling a lot of ur arguments was towards me (because of certain words and phrases u used) and thats why i responded. i know this message wasnt for me but since its a public forum and everyone can read ur arguemnts, i think its fair that they can read my arguments as well.

In case this post wasnt for me, kindly please ignore it. i appologize in advance!

[smanhoobi]

wow, thats some reading for the next 2 days. :D

But before I do that, I want to second Ali jaan's post. We need to tone this down. Like this, we can never progress.

Thanks and I will read them and enjoy the "discussion" part of it very much.

[zzgloo]

my two cents..............
Right or wrong, Branko had evaluated iranian football ,as unproffesional ...so much so, not enough for WC......he may even,have been so insecure himself,that he needed all the help he can get !!!
Mirzapour's antiques,although leathal and "Khaneman barandaz " yet, his experince was evaluated as more essential....
Ali daei's physical handicap,although recagnized,not enough to worth the risk of inexperince !
playing all legiouners, regardless of true comparison value, was prefered to inexperinced.!
the game plans,offensive look, with no confidence.!!!,some very little belief in players talents.
Over critisisem ,and constant bombardment of distrust, may also had exasibated the ,notion, he needed help from only those he could count on.
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Lack of proffesionalism, nevertheless, was what we lacked........from lack of it in preparedness,physicaly and mentaly....to inplementing the coach's XXs, and OOs !!!......to looseing the focus in mexico game.....
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regardless of what realy Branko was, The inefficiencies were quite evident.
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Branko is gone.......my maner and ethics tell me I should thank him anyway.
I think, we misjudged keeping him, after asian games,yet, last minute change was not correct.
I also thik, we mistreated him, and he should have been supported more.

[Dr.shark]

my two cents..............
Right or wrong, Branko had evaluated iranian football ,as unproffesional ...so much so, not enough for WC......he may even,have been so insecure himself,that he needed all the help he can get !!!
Mirzapour's antiques,although leathal and "Khaneman barandaz " yet, his experince was evaluated as more essential....
Ali daei's physical handicap,although recagnized,not enough to worth the risk of inexperince !
playing all legiouners, regardless of true comparison value, was prefered to inexperinced.!
the game plans,offensive look, with no confidence.!!!,some very little belief in players talents.
Over critisisem ,and constant bombardment of distrust, may also had exasibated the ,notion, he needed help from only those he could count on.
.................................................. ................................
Lack of proffesionalism, nevertheless, was what we lacked........from lack of it in preparedness,physicaly and mentaly....to inplementing the coach's XXs, and OOs !!!......to looseing the focus in mexico game.....
.................................................. ................................
regardless of what realy Branko was, The inefficiencies were quite evident.
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Branko is gone.......my maner and ethics tell me I should thank him anyway.
I think, we misjudged keeping him, after asian games,yet, last minute change was not correct.
I also thik, we mistreated him, and he should have been supported more.
zzgloo jaan
Now I canthank you talking as a fan of TM and Iran not just a fan of fu*king Branko.
I can understand you as us Irane people are the type of people that show kindness to every one even those that have been bad to us but at some point we must stop being so nice to people. Fu*king branko came to Iran to work for us. his job was to win all the cups that we enter for. his job was also to mke our team better then it was. his job was also answer our questions and help our players find them selfs.
as far as winnig cups well at 1st he did a wonderfull job but as time went on he be came worse.
as far as makingour team better he did not he helped bring some players back to the team but at the same time he made some turn away from the team to the point that at the biggest game of TM players wanted to fight each other and in some games they did fight each other.
as far as answering our questions well he keeped on diffending his players the ones that he picked and would say the did nothing wrong He aso had hid hs friend Dadkan e Haramzade call all of us that would question him khaeens.
as far as helping our players find them selfs we saw how he put down players that had done so good at club levels players like mobalee and javad nekonam to the point that they just could not play like they once did before even it got to the point that players started fighting again and so on mobalee vs daie. we saw how he subed navidkia in for 2 min and right away subing him out playing with his head making him feel like he not good enough for TM. and his best one was to call up all our europian stars when he knew that they were all injured and not in shape for a hard game againsts fast teams like mexico,portugal, angola all 3 are fast teams and when he lost he would say it is the players that are not good enough making it sound like we are below those teams.
I remmber a time when people on this site used to say at the end of their post that on the 6th day GOD made karimi and so on just because they loved to see how he put his moves on 2,3,4,5, even all of team germany and no one could take the ball off him. now you have Fu*king branko saying he is below the angolian players:furious: :furious: :furious: .
so you may be a kind man zzgloo to Fu*king branko but I just can not be so kind to thank a mouse that has put down Iran and TM and has caused so much harm to Iran and TM. may Fu*king branko burn in hell.:furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: :furious:

[smanhoobi]

but at some point we must stop being so nice to people.

Dr.shark:

Nobody is asking anyone to be nice to people you do not approve of. Dont say you hate them. Dont say you love them either. But you can be reasonable with them for the sake of the progress of your country.

http://www.persianfootball.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30742

[Doctor DOOM]

mage mizarin adam bereh peye karesh !!!!!!!



1- first of all, I am angry and frustrated , as my posts show.
this anger is becoz I see 4 years of hard work and build up of dreams and ... by our people and players, smoked due to incompetence and mismanagement of very few ppl.

I am angry becoz on repeated occasions, we could have changed the course, and maybe salvage something out of this mess .... yet, we didnt.
we persisted with our laj baazi ( mainly dadkan ) and slowly turned the priorities from TM and Iran , to personal defense and one's insecurity in admitting to bad decisions !

I am angry becoz I saw we were given such a golden opportunity ( easy qualification, plenty of time to get things right, easy group, seeded team in the group playing crappy football, another easy team in the group ..... ) and we threw it away so easily, becoz of a handful of ppl's laj baazi, insecurity and moronic attitude !
and god only knows when we can get such a chance again.

aussies are in asia now.
with some horrible asian records in this WC, we may yet get our allotments restricted .
can anyone guarantee we'll qualify for the next WC ?
can they guarantee we'll get such an easy grouping?
and get a seeded team playing so crappy ?


I am basically angry becoz for months we said we are not going to be at our maximum best and 100% , with branko's pathetic managment.
and yet ppl never opened their eyes !


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2- the remarks on "numbers" is for those ppl who time and again, when asked and confronted with questions of quality and performances of the team, ignored these warning signs and stuk to a bunch of numbers that really didnt mean jack.
numbers such as the hollow record of this moron, while ignoring the fact that almost 90% of this record is obtained against very weak and crappy teams like laos, guam, panama, lybia, n korea, ..., and some others, rather lucky wins or draws....... while throughout these 4 years ( especially the last 2 ) we have witnessed the decline in the quality of the team.
the lack of tactics, and system and ... which shd have been far better , given the fact that this filth was here for 4-5 years to get things right.

the same numbers that some sheep used to counter any sensible arguement , and refute any logic.
the same hollow record that some sheep used to negate all the warning signs and alarm bells.
so why shdnt these sheep be reminded of their folly ?

( so if some fan wants to defend those sheep, go ahead. but that doesnt mean this is pointed at everybody )


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3- the remarks on karimi being held responsible, is for those laj baaz fools, who again, want to distract ppl's attention, and are trying so foolishly to find an scapegoat for branko's utter incompetence and moronic obstinacy.

so they suddenly hold ONE player as the culprit.

whether it is karimi or daei or mirza ... it doesnt matter.
these are mere players.
and as I pointed out in my previous post, they are NOT responsible for some major decisions that went against our benefit.
decisions that had we a different coaching staff, or if the present one was not laj baaz and selfish, would have resulted in far far better turn out for our TM.

( once again, if one is compelled to defend these fools. be my guest )


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4- I am also extremely disappointed at some of us for how we try to belittle our most talented TM players, ever …. So that branko can come out bereft of any fault !!

How we advertise and spread self-doubt and inferiority complex, just to cover our own skewed decisions.

How we not only settle for, but some even FORCE mediocrity and stagnation down everyone’s throats, … instead of a desire to OUT-do and OUT-perform and OVER-achieve our expectations.
How we block and counter ambition and the drive for betterment and progress, by saying crap like “ ma haminim ke didid” ! or other garbage like “ we shdnt expect anything beyond this. We are this and that …. !!!”

Utter trash.

With this kind of inferiority complex, no-one can become better or progress.
Becoz they have provided all the criteria for stagnation.
Becoz they don’t dare or have the drive to step beyond their limits.
Becoz they set such low limits and are content to stay within them, … secure and safe! Whether it is due to one’s lazy nature, which we Iranians are very famous for … or if it is a defeatism or a “too sari khor” mentality … I don’t know.

But I am angry to hear & read such things.

cameroon, senegal, korea, trukey, nigeria, .... none of these teams and ppl had such attitude, when they STEPPED BEYOND THEIR BOUNDS and did what was NOT expected from them : defeat teams far stronger and more established from them.

THIS is what we shd aim for.
not sit in one place and adopt a defeated and "small" mentality by conforming to our limits ( set by our own foolish officials and incompetent coaches ).

"lets face it. we're not better than this" ?
who said so?
utter trash !
we CAN be better ... far better than this.
we could have been , even with minor adjustments with this present team and opportunity ... even inspite of all our lacks in infrastructure and corruption and ... !
yes.

we must adopt a daring philosophy.
we must have guts to progressively set higher aims for ourselves.

we shd not settle for mediocrity and "small" things like the present moron coach and his defunct system and the most inferior and useless coaching staff.


( rah-e doori narim. these ppl can learn from the angolans, who stepped beyond their limits and "numbers" ;) by drawing against the world's 4th ranked team and barely losing to the highly talented portuguese.
and almost defeated world's ranked 21st or 22nd team !
a team that had only a handful of players, playing portuguese second and third divisions - as compared to our bundeliga and serie A !!!!

you know why?
becoz they didnt have such inferiority complex and "khod koochak beeni" like we force ourselves to have.

"be realistic" ?
humbug!
you explain the above.
:furious: )

[smanhoobi]

I read the whole discussion in this thread. Enough is enough. Time to reveal a few things.

First to Doktor jaan:

Doki jaan. Your problem is that you are not Branko Ivankovic ( which I think you thank god that you are not) :D

But more importantly, you even fail to be in Branko Ivankovic's position to feel why some decisions were made the way it was made.

Doktor jaan. Many people think like you and say like you. Once they get the job, they fail miserably. Because when it comes to implement all the goods that you talk about TeamMelli, they will realise that despite their sincere desire, its simply impossible to do.

Dadkan and Co took the responsibility of a rather hopeless task. As I said before, I dont know Dadkan personally. But I know a few in the team of Dadkan. They were all fed up boys of the past. They all love football and love their country. They have done many sacrifices in their personal life for their love and passion for their country.

Yet, many of them stayed away from football for a long time. They were all involved with the system and they knew that it was almost impossible to rescue anything out of this.

One day, few years ago, this changed. What changed it was exactly what drives me and you and yashar and a few others to consistently be in these forums and despite knowing that there is not much that we can do considring the system, we still post and post and post. In doing that, we sacrifice too. From our families, from our work, from happy hours and watching a movie and having a 30 minutes conversation with friends. One day, a few years ago, they did JUST that despite everything.

When they did that, they said, we will fight. We will fight as much as possible. They set the goal for getting into World Cup. They set the goal for world cup and to change something in between which would benefit our football. All this with KNOWN limitations.

So, they fought. To do that, they could not trust many. They would have to keep the environment limitted. They had to fight to become an independant organization. With a limitted budget and very limitted support, and despite a few internal disagreements on how this should be done, they finally got it started.

First thing they did was to give a little shape to the officiating situation in IPL. Before that, there were many corruptions in that department and getting it into a functional department was one hell of a job. I know if one asks the today teams in IPL, they still have issues. But, teams are not the referral point as all complain and thats part of our culture in not accepting our own insufficiencies to accept as a reason for defeat. But, everyone should agree on the fact that referreing issue changed quite a bit towards good.

Then it was plans and programmings. They fought so hard to keep it programmed despite all interferences and limitations of pitches, unprofessionality of the teams and so on and so forth. The issue of Rah Ahan and sanat naft came up. That threatened all the programs to be disrupted yet again. They tried to keep that based on the rules and regulations. they tried so hard not to let anyone organization other than Football Federation and possibly the organizing body to affect that. That was done to maintain Football Federation as the organization who deals with such matters. This was a necessary measure for their success. Otherwise, infiltrations was waiting from left and right.

Everyone knows the dispute between tarbeeyat Badani and IFF on the issue of hazfi cup. IFF had a plan to finish this league in proper time even if it meant to use an "allowed" alternative of having only one game. It was aimed to have things in order as an example for the future. A measure that would tell everyone that things should go according to plans and it does not matter who is involved. Always, some sacrifices is necessary to have things going in a better, organized manner.

Another issue that they implemented was disciplinary rules and regulations in IFF. Declarations were made, every single point was discussed and managed. Before their era, it was a complete "Khar too Khar". Even if there was rules there, they were never cared for based on corruption and connections. Everyone who follows Iranian football closely knows that for every 5 minutes(not sure about the exact time) of delay in entering the pitch, teams got punished accross the board. Every 4 yellow cards and more meant punishment in every single game and for every single team. These were all attempts to have discipline in teams. Was to get them to stick by rules and espect them. It was to increase the level of football and not wrestling on the pitch. There were more disciplinary measures which is a whole subject by itself.

Now there were two experiences we had in the past which set the stage for two things from two sides.

First, there was a strong urge from the government in the past to have a domestic coach represent Iran in the world cup. This was a KNOWN fact by both IFF and Branko Ivankovic. Dadkan himself was very skeptical about this and having a foreign coach at the time. I cant tell you guys what exactly was in his mind cause I dont have convincing info on this. Branko Ivankovic was aware of this too. It was going to be an unknown for Branko and it was not known by IFF of whether they can handle this.

However, when fans and general public pushed on this issue, things got a little easier. But Branko, rightfully so, wanted some sort of gaurentee that such a thing would not happen. Once again I can not exactly tell you what were the terms of contract and how this issue was dealth with. But one thing I can tell you is that once Dadkan agreed on Branko, there was a mutual agreement that support will continue and fight will be on in protecting the rights. Also financial issues was another thing. the amount was not the problem. We had a bad record in fullfilling our committments. That was an issue.

The other issue based on experience was the issue of TRUST. Again, due to past experiences, there was a need to limit the number of people involved and try to use players or staff who would be trust-worthy. Everyone who has a little information about our past should know that we had a lot of issues with this.

Whoever you saw around Branko were people he trusted as much as possible. He used all the trust-worthy resources he had around him to get through this the best way he could. No, two assistants as goal keeper trainers were not necessary. But two staff that is trust-worthy was better than 10 who are not.

Human Afazeli had worked with Branko in the past. He was doing a descent job, but even more importantly, he trusted him. Faraki and Shahrokhi were dedicated people. Shahrokhi was a friend of Dadkan and Co and was safe. Faraki was alongside Branko in the past and he was a descent guy. So, the staff he got were all ok and with limitations he had, he ws fine. However, players were an issue. You needed to have work with so many, you could not afford to loose the good ones and you had to also satisfy demands a bit. Ironically, what haunted him in the end, apart from a few unfortunate injuries right before the world cup, were some of the players.

Two other factors disrupted the atmosphere too. One was the media that were lobbied by the opposition and has largely diverted the attentions using some close games as the reason and attacking point, and the other was the fact that this tension should have overcome before the world cup.

Enayati was not the player Branko wanted for many reasons. Due to all those pressures, Dadkan asked Branko to include Enayati in the team to ease the pressure. Now, issues happened here that relates to Human Afazeli that i dont wanna discuss. If he wants, he can break his silence on this. I only say that, I did not approve of Human's decision on this one. Never discussed it with him, but I respect his side of story.

IFF and Dadkan in particular, fought quite a bit for all the friendlies we played too. Despita all the difficulties ( remember LG Cup?), they tried to fullfill as much as they could. The rest, was not possible.

Now in this regard, as soon as we have Mayeli Kohan up there, be assured. We will have some good friendlies with Palestine.

Nikbakht issue is the last thing I wanna say. Nikbakht has been injured for quite some time. I dont know how long he is hiding it, but one thing is sure. He never seek attention for it. His injury became apparent with medical tests done on him.

Players like Khatibi came to TeamMelli cause there were no other options. Otherwise, a player with Khatibi's culture should not be included in any team who has a bit of culture. Forget about his technical inabilities. I urge you to read our forum regarding a persons experience in the Teammelli camp quoted from IK.

Now, I disclosed the above. I did not even do this yet in our own site. The low level of knowledge we have involving Iran's internal issues has made me to be very sad reading some comments. Criticisms are all fine. Despite all this, Iran failed in getting some results in World Cup. The frustration of fans are understandable. And any change is also understandable. But to read the level of dis-respect I read its just heart-breaking.

You guys sit behind your computer keyboards and dream of glories that is impossible to achieve with what we have. When we should be appreciating all these fight and dedication to get some result that Iran deserves at its minimum, we are cussing and swearing at people who made it come true. Even the minimum.

Damage is done and is not replacable. My aim is NOT to have the sympathy from anyone. That is an impossible goal. We are not culturally and socially tuned for that. If you guys have a little descency, you would at least avoid cussing on these people.

None of you are in a position to manage Teammelli the way you describe it. Its just Bla Bla Bla. Zameen o zaman o roo saretoon kharab meekonan. You either have to be a puppet, or you need to work your arses off and then get cussed at by fans who have no knowledge of the truth.

And Yashar jaan:

Magnificant writings in this thread and everywhere else i saw you write. I must say, I cant imagine you are only 22 and have such extensive knowledge of social and cultural matters besides your football knowledge.

As a older brother though Yashar jaan. You are in a right track. But I warn you, if you are not strong, they will all backlash on you. Being in the position that you are on issues, you gonna have a very hard time. Cause, you are fighting "egos". And doing that needs a lot of patience and passion. I hope you maintain both for the rest of your life.

[yashar_fasihnia]

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And Yashar jaan:
Magnificant writings in this thread and everywhere else i saw you write. I must say, I cant imagine you are only 22 and have such extensive knowledge of social and cultural matters besides your football knowledge.
As a older brother though Yashar jaan. You are in a right track. But I warn you, if you are not strong, they will all backlash on you. Being in the position that you are on issues, you gonna have a very hard time. Cause, you are fighting "egos". And doing that needs a lot of patience and passion. I hope you maintain both for the rest of your life.
merci dadashi ;)

[zzgloo]

South Korea , did change thier caoch, when we should have....although,we did not, yet, we must have supported Branko any way, once he was not about to go, which was not any conspericy.....
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for those, who are very mad....I must ask, what the big deal is ?
Did you all rather to have " godly " luck,like head of "stealy",who scored against USA ?....did you want that can of Victory ?, or like south Korea against france ?on this wc ?.....
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All asian teams got eliminated....we had some bad luck, some bad preparations, and may be little less efficient coach......but, the out come would not have been far better other wise...
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15 teams other teams along with us got eliminated also...some even more embbaresing.But, none,had all the handicaps our system had....not even african countries federations run like iranian mafia, or its thrifty mentalities.
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We were better than how we looked, but the point is....NOT BY MUCH !!!!

[Doctor DOOM]

soheil jan, most of us knew of all these problems between IFF and ...,
we also knew of our short comings in mnay fundamental areas
we also were aware of our culture and ...

but we shd NOT confuse short term goals with long terms ones.

we shd not intermingle issues that needed a little effort to get right, with those of infrastructural needs.

I doubt you'd find any fan anywhere who wouldnt know about our fundamental lacks .
but that shd NOT be used as an excuse to cover up shortcomings and lacks in issues that could have easily been handled with a little intelligence and knowledge.

as I said earlier, our lacks in stadia, youth programs, lack of pro culture ... didnt have such a major role in the coach keeping useless players on the pitch, or showing such devastatingly weak tendency in substitutions, or his years of inducing a fear and over-cautious tactic into the team or his inability to extract even a semblance of teamwork from players under him for 5 years or .... !

these issues could have been handled far far better, inspite of our lacks in infrastructure and ... .

so lets not mix the two categories here.

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on dadkan and branko keeping "trust-worthy" ppl:

so basically you are agreeing as long as dadkan or branko kept ppl they "trusted" , they were doing the gith thing?

I'd love to see how you will defend me ( as incompetent as I am in coaching football teams ) when I become head of IFF or TM coach , and keep my cousins and neighbors in charge of various posts , since I trust these guys more than those professional experts who know more about the job.
I expect you to defend this as vehemently as you have now.
will you?

you will not question me and my judgement in appointing my cousin as TM's assistant coach.

you will not ask why I appoint my neighbor as physical trainer.



ay baradar, .... soheil jan, keeping "trust-worthy" ppl is one thing, refusing to include ppl who are USEFUL to the team or organization is another.

you just PROVED how wrong and biased both dadkan and branko were in appointing these ppl and settling on inferior ppl for these vital posts.
thank you very much.

yes, we have to blame ourselves to some extent.
but it shd NOT distract from the fact that "familiarity" and "docility" was the criteria for appointments, rather than profession, expertise and usefulness !


and you expect ppl to understand and accept this horrible, selfish act?

dadkan, just to gather all his kind of ppl and supporters around him, to save himself ... even at the cost of compromising the country's football ... shd be defended?

branko , for allowing and appointing a bunch of useless and inferior ppl , just so he would feel "safe" and not be under any threat, ... at the cost of compromising and weakening TM, ... shd be defended?

am I supposed to agree to this?
am I supposed to feel sorry for dadkan and branko , and sympathize with them?
or am I supposed to feel sorry for TM and Iran that fell victim of such insecurity and criminal use of power ?

for me, TM and IRAN are more important , than making sure dadkan or branko feel safe !


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enough, is indeed, enough.

we could have prevented this disaster.... and we didnt.
now, there is no use talking about these ppl.

I only hope we all learn from these mistakes, and maybe next time, we'd not repeat them.
( but , then again, it is iri we're talking about !!!! :( )

as for the larger picture of infrastructure and fundamentals ... I agree with everyone , that we need to strenghten these and some , even may need rebuilding.

as I said earlier, I am not going to be writting for sometime, as I just dont feel like it anymore.
we all can have our views on things, our own issues, and our own priorities.
I just hope all this helps Iran's football in anywhichway, no matter how small.

I hope we all learn from this, and become better , .... and I, personally wish for more self-importance and self beleif ... more daring and desire to progress and push our boundries ( no matter what "numbers" dictate ).

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side note:
tonite, on Iran's channel 3 , Mr. Majeed Jalali had a wonderful talk on what needs to be done in terms of basic structures and infrstctre , as well as long term planning in football.
simply wonderful.

he also had many stats and diagrams on many issues, such as passing ( short ones, and long ones ), shooting, and crosses and set pieces, ........ comparing 98WC, 2002 qualifiers, and 2006 WC.
and in all but one ( set pieces ) in 2006 we had done miserabely!

very eye opening talk.
I wish everyone had watched it to learn about our football and its goods and follies.

[Dr.shark]

Dr.shark:

Nobody is asking anyone to be nice to people you do not approve of. Dont say you hate them. Dont say you love them either. But you can be reasonable with them for the sake of the progress of your country.

http://www.persianfootball.com/forums/showthread.php?t=30742
I am being reasonable and by being so I Hate Fu*king branko,Dadkan e Haramzadee and all hose that helped these 2 in hurting Iran and TM:furious: :furious: :furious: :furious: That is how I feel.