Possible Scenarios For Advancement

[IFF]

First of all, I have been following this team for the past 12 years, and yesterday's game along with the Bahrain game 4 years ago was the worst Iranian football game I have ever seen, especially in the second half...

You figure the Mexicans would run out of more energy than the Iranians, for god's sake all they eat is beans, chips, salsa, and beer and fart all day. How in the world the Iranian player's just flat out ran out of gas toward the final 10 minutes of game ???

I mean there was only 10 more freaking minutes to go, and at least we could have pulled away with the tie. That's a major shame, but the best answer I could have come up with is that our players don't play soccer for a living. The Mexicans do. Remember that, soccer for Iranian players is not a career, they still have to go to work for someone else and try to put food on the plate for their families. It's all this stupid ass Iranian regimes fault. Second, we have way to many old players (Daiee) with lots of experience but tired legs, and also young players with no International experience. To me, these two reason combined resulted in those 2 horrible goals the last freaking 10 minutes of game. Also, I have noticed that so far in this world cup, most of the goals in other matches have been scored in the last minutes of play (Australia/Japan). Why is that, huh?

Anyways, so much for the speech... but we need to look forward and forget about the past. So I posted this thread for all to post possible ways for Iran to advance.

First, we need to beat Portugal, and the way I have calculated by goal differentials in order to fall in second place, we need to beat Portugal by 2 goals. With this case, I wouldn't think the Mexico and Angola match would be of any help. If Mexico wins that match (1-0 or greater goals), they will have 6 points, and Iran and Portugal will be tied with 3 points, but in second place with a better goal difference.

Possible Scenario after the second matches in order of place:

W D L F A P
Mexico ---- 2 0 0 4 1 6
Iran ------- 1 0 1 3 3 3
Portugal --- 1 0 1 1 2 3
Angola ---- 0 0 2 0 2 0


If Mexico looses against Angola (0-1) and Iran beats Portugal by 2 goals:
W D L F A P
Mexico ---- 1 0 1 3 2 3
Iran ------- 1 0 1 3 3 3
Angola ---- 1 0 1 1 1 3
Portugal --- 1 0 1 1 2 3


Please post your scenarios here. Thanks
~IFF

[kasai]

See below some possible scenarios for Iran to advance. There are a couple more. I believe I have the tie breakers correct, but if I do not please let me know.
Table
Mexico----- 3 PTS ----- +2 GD ----- 3 Goals Scored
Portugal --- 3 PTS------ +1 GD ----- 1 Goal Scored
Angola----- 0 PTS------- -1 GD ----- 0 Goal Scored
Iran----- -- 0 PTS------ -2 GD ----- 1 Goal Scored

Possible Scenarios

Scenario 1 (This one hurts)
Iran beats Portugal +1
Iran beats Angola +1
Mexico beats Angola +1
Portugal beats Mexico +1
Mexico and Portugal advance on goal differential

Scenario 2
Iran beats Portugal +1
Iran beats Angola +2
Mexico beats Angola +1
Portugal beats Mexico +1
The team with the most goals scored would advance. That would depend on the scores of the games to come as goal differential is the same for all 3.

Scenario 3
Iran tie Portugal
Iran beat Angola +2
Mexico beats Angola +1
Mexico beat Portugal +1
Mexico and Iran advance. Iran +1 GD vs Portugal +0
Scenario 4

Iran tie Portugal
Iran beat Angola +1
Mexico tie Angola
Mexico beat Portugal +1
The team with the most goals scored would advance. That would depend on the scores of the games to come as goal differential is the same Iran and Portugal.

Scenario 5
Iran tie Portugal
Iran beat Angola +1
Angola beat Mexico +1
Mexico beat Portugal +1
Both Iran and Portugal have 4 points, but if Iran has more goals scored they will advance. Mexico advances with 6 points.

Scenario 6
Iran tie Portugal
Iran beat Angola +1
Angola beats Mexico +1
Portugal beats Mexico +1
Portugal and Iran go through.

[D P P]

you missed another scenario

iran lose to portugal
angola beat mexico

then

iran beat angola
portugal beat mexico

table will be
portugal 9
iran 3
mexico 3
angola 3

down to goal difference, after we thrash angola like we did bosnia

[E-man]

its really sad, we always have to make scenarios for iran to go through in any cup. why cant they just WIN so we dont have to do all that shit.. really frustrating..@ the end, we gotta cheer for Angola to beat mexico or something or we r dead!!

[kasai]

You are right Darius jan. Since Mexico plays Angola on Friday, we will have a good idea of what we need to achieve vs. Portugal. In any case, we need to play to win, not to tie. Our defense is not good enough for getting a shutout versus a high scoring team like Portugal.

[Rooz]

we should really be supirting angola from now on.

we need to thump angola in the last match tho. 3 or 4 goals

[althug1]

You sound like someone who just started following Team Melli yesterday. All of our players do play football for a living. None of them have to go out and put food on the table in any other way. And FYI, Mexico has some of the best conditioned players in the world. If you think Barcelona, the world's best Club, lets Rafa Marquez drink beer, you are sadly mistaken. They are a great, maybe even better team, noone can doubt that. But, it was obvious that we could have won because we excel in certain areas. In the first half we managed to play our game. In the second hand we played theirs.

As for qualification, we have to beat Portugal and Angola. Even in this case though, Mexico is likely to beat Angola and qualify themselves, which means we need to beat Portugal on goal differential (who will probably beat Mexico if we beat them in the final match). That means even if we win our next two games, we might not qualify. Unfortunately, yesterdays game was very important

[kasai]

Sad that even with 6 points we may not advance. That is proabably not going to happen though. I just want our boys to put in a strong performance and the result will come.

[EKBATAN]

I think the most realistic but still wishful scenrio is if:

We BEAT portugal & Angola
but

if we TIE portugal & beat Angola...then Mexico has to lose to both angola & portugal

[arsham]

I think the most realistic but still wishful scenrio is if:
We BEAT portugal & Angola
but
if we TIE portugal & beat Angola...then Mexico has to lose to both angola & portugal

I agree withyou especially with the first scenario you set forth,
hope till the next week-end things will get fixed! and we'll preveil,
as a fan that's all can do! :D :rofl:

[roy]

Save this till saturday.

[kamangeer]

After seeing Iran's performance, and knowing that Karimi is still nursing his injury (and possibly aggravated it during the Mexico match), here is the only scenario that can help Iran qualify:
Emam Zaman needs to descend upon the fields in Germany and in addition to being the 12th Emam, he needs to become Iran's 12th player.

[zand]

how about if we lose to both Portugal and Angola? Can we still advance?!!!

[Caspian Tiger]

guys the tie breaker is first head to head matches then its goal differential so if we get 6 points we will advance!

[ali_vigh]

how about if we lose to both Portugal and Angola? Can we still advance?!!!

yes we can...if two team in our group quit the whole tornoument then we can advance

[Taz]

The best, most realistic, and most achievable scenario by far is...
We draw Portugal (This is the only real part of the scenario which is under doubt)
Mexico Vs Angola (it wouldn't matter whatever the score)
We Beat Angola (formality unless a disaster strikes)
Portugal DO NOT win against Mexico (I see Mexico as the stronger team so i feel this will happen)


Table----P-----W-----D----L---GF----GA----GD-----PT
Mexico---3-----3-----0-----0---/-----/-----/-------9
Iran-----3-----2-----0----1----/----/----/------6
Portugal-3-----1-----0----2----/----/----/------3
Angola---3-----0-----0-----3---/-----/-----/-------0

[kamangeer]

yes we can...if two team in our group quit the whole tornoument then we can advance

There you have it then. That sounds more realistic then all the other scenarios played out in this thread.

[zand]

There you have it then. That sounds more realistic then all the other scenarios played out in this thread.
I'm afraid, IFF could even s c r e w up this scenario by bringing our team back to Tehran before 2nd round!!

[Arashi_Washi]

Nevertheless

Iran needs to concentrate on winning their game, then after that we will also need Angola to seriously pull of something agasint Mexico

If they can pull of a draw that would be amazing and really help Iran

but Iran should care about what the others get cause the most important thing for us is to BEAT Portgual and we need to do that

[Taz]

Mexico has a greater chance of beating Portugal than Angola does form getting anything against mexico, the Mexico Vs Angola game should have no effect on us.

[MR.ESTESNAII]

here is a better scenario,....3-0 portugal,,..ronaldinio and fargo r going to show nosrati and golmohmadi what soccer is all about....i have no fate on iran even beatin angola...mexico was our chance...let move to asian cups

[Taz]

here is a better scenario,....3-0 portugal,,..ronaldinio and fargo r going to show nosrati and golmohmadi what soccer is all about....i have no fate on iran even beatin angola...mexico was our chance...let move to asian cups

Stop talking utter crap because this sort of sh*t is pi**in me off, firstly it's Ronaldo and Figo and if they can't do anything against the Angolans than they are hardly going to turn it on against us. Keep you pessimism to yourself, it does no one any good and i personally totally disagree with you, Mexico are the strongest team in the group.

[kamangeer]

I'm afraid, IFF could even s c r e w up this scenario by bringing our team back to Tehran before 2nd round!!

LOL! You may be right.

[IFF]

scene 1 would really hurt.... but if we were able to beat portugal by +2, then we would advance in scene 1, unless if Portugal beats Mexico by more than 1 goal. If Portugal beats Mexico by 2 goals, then the team with the most goals scored would advance. That would depend on the scores of the games to come as goal differential is the same for Iran and Portugal. But, what happens if the total goals scored is the same? Well, Iran would advance because we beat Portugal +2 (tiebreaker rule d mentioned below).

FIFA ranking of each team in each group will be determined as
follows:
a) greatest number of points obtained in all group matches;
b) goal difference in all group matches;
c) greatest number of goals scored in all group matches.
If two or more teams are equal on the basis of the above three criteria,
their rankings will be determined as follows:
d) greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between
the teams concerned;
e) goal difference resulting from the group matches between the
teams concerned;
f) greater number of goals scored in all group matches between the
teams concerned;
g) drawing of lots by the Organising Committee for the FIFA World
Cup™.


~IFF

[IFF]

If we draw against Portugal and beat Angola, we will have 4 points and Portugal will have 4 points if they loose to Mexico. It will be a tie again, which will depend on goal difference. That means, Iran needs to beat Angola by 3 goals if Mexico beats Portugal by the minimum of 1 goal. Should Mexico beat Portugal by more than 1 goal, then the number of goals we need to beat Angola by will be less.

I don't about you, but all this scenario shit is driving me crazy, like the other guy in the post, why can't Iran just freaking win their games... I still think we should have beaten them wetback Mexicans. arrghhh, that shit piss me off, especially since I live in houston, which has a lot of Mexican population here, I see them and I just want to rip their sorry jerseys off. lol.


The best, most realistic, and most achievable scenario by far is...
We draw Portugal (This is the only real part of the scenario which is under doubt)
Mexico Vs Angola (it wouldn't matter whatever the score)
We Beat Angola (formality unless a disaster strikes)
Portugal DO NOT win against Mexico (I see Mexico as the stronger team so i feel this will happen)

[IFF]

~iff

[Spyder]

its really sad, we always have to make scenarios for iran to go through in any cup. why cant they just WIN so we dont have to do all that shit.. really frustrating..@ the end, we gotta cheer for Angola to beat mexico or something or we r dead!!

Great post!

We should for once just be men and take the responsibility to WIN!

[Davood]

I hope we can beat the other teams in the group.
If Korea can do it in 2002, why not us? So we should have hope.
We should never surrender and look forward for victory.
Individually every player we have was better than the mexican players. It was obvioius that the referee in the beginning of the game ruined the morale but not even giving a yellow card to mexican long haired boy. If that did not deserve a penalty ot yellow card, then Ali Karimi and oithers would think what will be next. I am sure it did impact the players.
We also made some mistakes just because of overconfidence and allowing the fast tiny mexicans run into the goal.
By the way most of you guiys are very well informed so if you do analysis, do you not think the opposition teams who may be reading these forum may benefit and use the info against our team?
May be post game analysis is ok, but before.... I think it may harm our team.
It may help others to develop strategy.
May be the posting should be shared with TM only and then the analysis may appear here.
Please share your thoughts on this.
Davood
Author of :
Reaching the summit: short stories
Life as it happens: Short stories, VOL II

[Davood]

aplogize for the bad spellings. I am sleepless from three games yestarday and now watching France_Swiss game. My eyes can hardly see the little fonts on my laptop.

Best wishes for TM.
They can do it.

[IFF]

I have read other post about Mexico and Portugal teaming up against Iran and and having a draw in their final match to prevent Iran from advancing and resulting in Mexico and Portugal to advance. If that's the case, then as I said before Iran needs to only beat Portugal and Angola and it doesn't matter about the goal difference. Here is the scenerio of how Iran can advance should this conspiracy happen and the Mexico/Porutgal match results in a draw.

Current Table
Mexico----- 3 PTS ----- +2 GD ----- 3 Goals Scored
Portugal --- 3 PTS------ +1 GD ----- 1 Goal Scored
Angola----- 0 PTS------- -1 GD ----- 0 Goal Scored
Iran----- -- 0 PTS------ -2 GD ----- 1 Goal Scored

Scene 1 and Table (this would be preferred)

Iran/Portugal - Iran wins at least GD +1
Mexico/Angola - Mexico wins GD +1 (this match will determine if Mexico or Portugal will advance).
Iran/Angola - Iran wins at least (if not more) GD +1
Mexico/Portugal - DRAW

Mexico----- 7 PTS ----- +3 GD
Iran----- -- 6 PTS------ 0 GD
Portugal --- 4 PTS------ -1 GD
Angola----- 0 PTS------- -3 GD

---------------------------------------------
Scene 2 and Table (this would really suck)

Iran/Portugal - DRAW
Mexico/Angola - Mexico wins GD +1
Iran/Angola - Iran wins at least (if not more) GD +1
Mexico/Portugal - DRAW

Mexico----- 7 PTS ----- +3 GD
Portugal --- 5 PTS------ +1 GD
Iran----- -- 4 PTS------ -1 GD
Angola----- 0 PTS------- -3 GD

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So there it is, despite the conspiracy of a draw between Mexico and Portugal, Iran can still advance by beating both Portugal and Angola.

[dezful]

Mexico-Iran 1-3
Portugal-Angola 1-0
Iran-Portugal 1-1
Mexico-Angola 0-1
Portugal 4 2 1 1
Mexico 3 3 2 1
Angola 3 1 1 0
Iran 1 2 4 -2
Mexico-Portugal 3-2
Iran-Angola 2-1
Portugal 7 5 3 2
Iran 4 4 5 -1
Mexico 3 5 5 0
Angola 3 2 3 -1

[IFF]

your scenarios doesn't make any sense at all... It's confusing with all the team names and numbers bunched up together like that...try to elaborate and a little more clearer please...

~IFF


Mexico-Iran 1-3
Portugal-Angola 1-0
Iran-Portugal 1-1
Mexico-Angola 0-1
Portugal 4 2 1 1
Mexico 3 3 2 1
Angola 3 1 1 0
Iran 1 2 4 -2
Mexico-Portugal 3-2
Iran-Angola 2-1
Portugal 7 5 3 2
Iran 4 4 5 -1
Mexico 3 5 5 0
Angola 3 2 3 -1

[Iscariot]

Iran 0 Portugal 0
Mexico 0 Angola 1

last round

Iran 2 Angola 1
Portugal 2 Mexico 1

Portugal 7
Iran 4
------
Mexico 3
Angola 3

this is the most logical scenario that works in our favor, without any wishy-washy scorelines

[IFF]

Actually, a more realistic scenario would be a draw for the Mexico/Angola match. I really doubt that Angola would be able to beat Mexico, simply because the freaking match is 90 minutes, and god knows what kind of plays would happen in the last 10 minutes of play. So far most of the other matches have been determined in the last 10 minutes of play. Because Mexico did the unspeakable to us in the last 10 minutes, even though it was majorly our fault for simply running out of gas. Angola may just as well run out of gas too. But, perhaps, they can at least keep a draw with Mexico than we did... This would be more realistic and it wouldn't totally disqualify Iran from advancing because then it would give Iran a chance by using goal difference to break the tie with Mexico or Portugal especially when playing Angola. After the next match, Iran would know by how many goals they need to beat Angola by in order to win the goal differential to advance, however, this realistic scenerio would create the conspiracy of Mexico and Portugal to draw in their match and both advancing... So, I don't know... it's like you can't ever have the cake and eat it...


Current Table
Mexico----- 3 PTS ----- +2 GD ----- 3 Goals Scored
Portugal --- 3 PTS------ +1 GD ----- 1 Goal Scored
Angola----- 0 PTS------- -1 GD ----- 0 Goal Scored
Iran----- -- 0 PTS------ -2 GD ----- 1 Goal Scored

next round (realistically)
Iran/Portugal DRAW
Mexico/Angola DRAW

Mexico----- 4 PTS ----- +2 GD
Portugal --- 4 PTS------ +1 GD
Angola----- 1 PTS------- -1 GD
Iran----- -- 1 PTS------ -2 GD

last round (optimistic - more preferred because of less goals needed)
Portugal/Mexico (This match CANNOT be a DRAW) Mexico wins +1 GD
Iran/Angola - Iran needs to win at least +3 GD

Mexico----- 7 PTS ----- +3 GD
Iran----- -- 4 PTS------ +1 GD
Portugal --- 4 PTS------ 0 GD
Angola----- 1 PTS------- -4 GD

~~OR~~

last round (optimistic - less preferred because of more goalsl needed)
Portugal/Mexico (This match CANNOT be a DRAW) Portugal wins +1 GD
Iran/Angola - Iran needs to win at least +4 GD

Portugal --- 7 PTS------ +2 GD
Iran----- -- 4 PTS------ +2 GD
Mexico----- 4 PTS ----- +1 GD
Angola----- 1 PTS------- -1 GD

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~IFF


Iran 0 Portugal 0
Mexico 0 Angola 1
last round
Iran 2 Angola 1
Portugal 2 Mexico 1
Portugal 7
Iran 4
------
Mexico 3
Angola 3
this is the most logical scenario that works in our favor, without any wishy-washy scorelines

[AliCarbon]

its simple.


the ONLY scenario for adavancing:

IF daei doenst play and we WIN BOTH remaining games.

[IFF]

If Iran wins both games, it doesn't guarantee an advancement due to goal difference should Portugal beat Mexico.

next round
Iran/Portugal Iran wins +1 GD
Mexico/Angola Mexico wins +1 GD

Mexico----- 6 PTS ----- +3 GD
Portugal --- 3 PTS------ 0 GD
Iran----- -- 3 PTS------ -1 GD
Angola----- 0 PTS------- -2 GD

----------------------------------

final round
Iran/Angola Iran wins +1 GD
Mexico/Portugal PORTUGAL WINS +1 GD

Mexico----- 6 PTS ----- +2 GD
Portugal --- 6 PTS------ +1 GD
Iran----- -- 6 PTS------ 0 GD (Iran doesn't advance here)
Angola----- 0 PTS------- -3 GD

--------------------------------------

The only way we could advance by winning both matches (should Portugal beat Mexico by only +1 GD) is by winning them with 3 more additional combined goals. Either Beating Portugal by +1 GD, which forces Iran to beat Angola by at least +4 GD (+3 GD would tie Iran with Mexico which the outcome would depend on the total goals scored) OOORRR Beating Portugal by at least +2 GD, and Angola by only +1 GD (this would be so much preferred, but highly unexpected). All these figures would additionally change greater or less should Portugal beat Mexico by more than +1 GD.


So you see, it's not that simple....Iran ****ed it up so bad the last game having a -2 GD that even a win with Mexico and Portugal doesn't necessarly guarantee an advancement.

To be simple, we need to not just only win the next matches, but we need to win the next matches by smoking our competitors to the dust with plenty of goals needed which does require someone other than Daiee since he can't even buy a goal worth shit. No, we need hungry, mean, lean, fighting goal machine players that eat,drink,and sleep nothing but scoring many goals for Iran! This my friend is the only freaking way Iran could advance.

~IFF



its simple.
the ONLY scenario for adavancing:
IF daei doenst play and we WIN BOTH remaining games.

[IFF]

~iff

[Coach]

here is a better scenario,....3-0 portugal,,..ronaldinio and fargo r going to show nosrati and golmohmadi what soccer is all about....i have no fate on iran even beatin angola...mexico was our chance...let move to asian cups


dude you are so negative. you better stop sending this negative comments

[IFF]

How frusterating is it to watch the outcome of several football matches being decided on the final minutes of play or in stoppage time. I just watched the Germany/Poland match and as with other matches before like Japan/Australia, Iran/Mexico. How are we able to predict scenario's for Iran to advance when you find that anything is possible to happen especially in the final minutes of play or in stoppage time. This is the most dangerous time in football and I feel that the coach's and player's of some of these teams that get beaten in the last minutes of play don't really pay much attention to the severity of the situation. You would think that the coach's and player's need to be extra extra careful and play excessively great defense in the final minutes of play, yet they just simply run out of gas. It's so frusterating for me to watch this... how a team can play 80 minutes with great defense, but then because of a lousy mistake in the final minutes of play or in stoppage time, give up their entire chances of winning the match... As if they played those 80 minutes or so for no reason what so ever, and that my friend is a complete SHAME !

[iranforever2006]

can anyone tell me what counts; head to head or goal difference!?

[IFF]

can anyone tell me what counts; head to head or goal difference!?


FIFA ranking of each team in each group will be determined as
follows:
a) greatest number of points obtained in all group matches;
b) goal difference in all group matches;
c) greatest number of goals scored in all group matches.
If two or more teams are equal on the basis of the above three criteria,
their rankings will be determined as follows:
d) greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between
the teams concerned;
e) goal difference resulting from the group matches between the
teams concerned;
f) greater number of goals scored in all group matches between the
teams concerned;
g) drawing of lots by the Organising Committee for the FIFA World
Cup™.

[mr.taheri]

why are you guys making it so hard...we must win 2 games

[IFF]

why are you guys making it so hard...we must win 2 games


It's not that simple...
If Iran wins both games, it doesn't guarantee an advancement due to goal difference should Portugal beat Mexico.

next round
Iran/Portugal Iran wins +1 GD
Mexico/Angola Mexico wins +1 GD

Mexico----- 6 PTS ----- +3 GD
Portugal --- 3 PTS------ 0 GD
Iran----- -- 3 PTS------ -1 GD
Angola----- 0 PTS------- -2 GD

----------------------------------

final round
Iran/Angola Iran wins +1 GD
Mexico/Portugal PORTUGAL WINS +1 GD

Mexico----- 6 PTS ----- +2 GD
Portugal --- 6 PTS------ +1 GD
Iran----- -- 6 PTS------ 0 GD (Iran doesn't advance here)
Angola----- 0 PTS------- -3 GD

--------------------------------------

The only way we could advance by winning both matches (should Portugal beat Mexico by only +1 GD) is by winning them with 3 more additional combined goals. Either Beating Portugal by +1 GD, which forces Iran to beat Angola by at least +4 GD (+3 GD would tie Iran with Mexico which the outcome would depend on the total goals scored) OOORRR Beating Portugal by at least +2 GD, and Angola by only +1 GD (this would be so much preferred, but highly unexpected). All these figures would additionally change greater or less should Portugal beat Mexico by more than +1 GD.


So you see, it's not that simple....Iran f***ed it up so bad the last game having a -2 GD that even a win with Mexico and Portugal doesn't necessarly guarantee an advancement.

To be simple, we need to not just only win the next matches, but we need to win the next matches by smoking our competitors to the dust with plenty of goals needed which does require someone other than Daiee since he can't even buy a goal worth shit. No, we need hungry, mean, lean, fighting goal machine players that eat,drink,and sleep nothing but scoring many goals for Iran! This my friend is the only freaking way Iran could advance.

~IFF

[IFF]

~ Iff

[iranforever2006]

FIFA ranking of each team in each group will be determined as
follows:
a) greatest number of points obtained in all group matches;
b) goal difference in all group matches;
c) greatest number of goals scored in all group matches.
If two or more teams are equal on the basis of the above three criteria,
their rankings will be determined as follows:
d) greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between
the teams concerned;
e) goal difference resulting from the group matches between the
teams concerned;
f) greater number of goals scored in all group matches between the
teams concerned;
g) drawing of lots by the Organising Committee for the FIFA World
Cup™.
thanks.

[IFF]

See thread for last minute goal counters... Something to think about in determining the possible scenarios for advancement.

~IFF

[IFF]

Best result of the Mexico/Angola match for us:

I would have to say that I would be going for Angola to win when watching the game tomorrow, however, realistically, even a draw with Mexico would be in so much favor for Iran's chances to advance just in case Iran draws with Portugal on saturday.... We will just have to wait and see till after tommorrow's game, but if Mexico does win, then for sure - for sure Iran need's to beat Portugal on saturday....

~IFF

[IFF]

Thank God Mexico And Angola Draw !!!
Iran Still Has A Chance.... Post Your Thoughts And New Scenarios

~iff

[Mansoor]

Mexico 4pts +2
Portugal 3pts +1
Angola 1pt -1
Iran 0pt -2

Case 1: Iran ties Portugal then

Mexico 4pts +2
Portugal 4pts +1
Angola 1pt -1
Iran 1pt -2

Since the FIFA's official WC2006 rule book gives priority to head to head match, then:
case 1.a: if Mexico loses to Portugal and Iran wins against Angola, Mexico will advance regardless of how many goals Iran scores against Angola.
Portugal 7pts
Mexico 4pts
Iran 4pts
Angola 1pt
(Advantage Mexico)

case 1.b: if Mexico ties Portugal, both Mexico & Portugal will advance. Most likely scenario if Iran ties Portugal as both Mexico & Portugal will play for a tie to advance.
Portugal 5pt
Mexico 5pt
Iran 4pts
Angola 1pt

case 1.c: If Mexico defeats Portugal & Iran defeats Angola
then goal difference will send Iran or Portugal to next round.
Mexico 7pt
Iran & Portugal 4pt (goal difference decides the winner)
Angola 1pt

Any other outcome for Iran against Angola but victory will finish Iran out of WC in this case 1.

Case 2: If Iran defeats Portugal then
Mexico 4pt
Iran 3pt
Portugal 3pt
Angola 1pt

Case 2.a: If Mexico defeats Portugal, Iran will need at least point from Angola to advance. Iran would have the "head to head" advantage against Portugal but the loss to Angola will send Angola to next round.

Case 2.b: If Mexico and Portugal tie, then again Iran will need at least one point from Angola to advance. If Iran ties Angola, then both Portugal & Iran will have 4 pts, advantage Iran for head to head.
Mexico 5pt
Portugal 4pt

Case 2.c: If Portugal defeats Mexico, then Iran must defeat Angola as Mexico has the head to head advantage against Iran.
If Iran ties Angola then
Portugal 6pt
Mexico 4pt
Iran 4pt
Angola 2pt
Advantage Mexico

If Iran defeats Angola then
Portugal 6pt
Iran 6pt
Mexico 4pt
Angola 1pt

[Shahin K]

Mansoor jan, head to dead doesn't count first it's goal difference!

[Saaman]

Mansoor jan, head to dead doesn't count first it's goal difference!

thats true ! only if the goal diffrence is the same they will look att the head to head game

[Mansoor]

Mansoor jan, head to dead doesn't count first it's goal difference!

Nope. I posted this before.

From FIFA's official 2006 worldcup site, go to page 33, case b overwrites case c:
http://us.ent4.yimg.com/fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/releases/regulations_fwc_2006_en.pdf

[IFF]

Mansoor, you are incorrect; goal difference counts first... I have posted this many times and here goes again:

Official FIFA World Cup 2006 ranking of each team in each group will be determined as follows:

a) greatest number of points obtained in all group matches;
b) goal difference in all group matches;
c) greatest number of goals scored in all group matches.
If two or more teams are equal on the basis of the above three criteria,
their rankings will be determined as follows:
d) greatest number of points obtained in the group matches between
the teams concerned;
e) goal difference resulting from the group matches between the
teams concerned;
f) greater number of goals scored in all group matches between the
teams concerned;
g) drawing of lots by the Organising Committee for the FIFA World
Cup™.
6. The two teams coming
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For reference, please see document Article 31, Number 5, Page 40.

http://eur.i1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/i/eu/fifa/regen.pdf


~IFF

[Mansoor]

Both the document you posted and I posted belong to the same website!!! They have made a mess, in Media section, the regulation is different. Check that link I posted!

http://us.ent4.yimg.com/fifaworldcup.yahoo.com/releases/regulations_fwc_2006_en.pdf

Go to page 33 ...

[IFF]

It's the same information Mansoor, you are reading it wrong... REREAD AGAIN... You are confusing POINTS, GOALS DIFFERENCE, AND GOALS

I have attached the excerpt from the document you posted and it reads the same, there is no mistake by FIFA, or the World Cup Committee...

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5 Ranking in each group shall be determined as follows:

(a) greater number of points obtained in all the group matches;

If two or more teams are equal on the basis of the above criterion,
their ranking shall be determined as follows:

(b) greater number of points obtained in the group matches
between the teams concerned;

(c) goal difference resulting from the group matches between the
teams concerned;

(d) greater number of goals scored in the group matches between
the teams concerned;
(e) goal difference in all the group matches;
(f) greater number of goals scored in all the group matches;
(g) drawing lots by the Organising Committee for the FIFA World
CupTM.


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[IFF]

oh damn, after re-reading both of the documents myself, I finally noticed the difference, between the two....

doc1: http://eur.i1.yimg.com/eur.yimg.com/i/eu/fifa/regen.pdf
doc2: http://us.ent4.yimg.com/fifaworldcup...wc_2006_en.pdf

There was a switch between item "b" on doc1 which was moved to item "e" doc2. Also a switch between item "c" on doc1 which was moved to item "f" on doc2.

This resulted in item "d","e",and "f" on doc1 to move up to item "b", "c", and "d" on doc2.


THIS IS VERY BAD AND CONFUSING.... NOW I AM PISSED... ALL THESE SCENARIOS WE DONE WERE MEANINGLESS NOW.. WE HAVE NO CLUE WHAT IS THE CORRECT ORDER OF TIEBREAKER. FIFA SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF THEMSELVES AND SO THE ORGANIZING COMMITTEE... THEM DAMN GERMANS.


~IFF

[Taz]

Goal difference takes priority, than goals scored, then head to head, i am certain.

[IFF]

If Iran beats Portugal and Angola, and Mexico looses to Portugal, Mexico is OUT! Iran and Portugal will both have 6 points (If Goal Difference is the correct Tiebreaker, then it will determine Iran going as 1 or 2). Mexico will still be at 4 points - thus OUT !

[IFF]

SCENARIO IF IRAN AND PORTUGAL DRAW !

Currently:
Mexico -------------- 4PTS +2GD
Portugal ------------- 3PTS +1GD
Angola --------------- 1PTS -1GD
Iran ----------------- 0PTS -2GD

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Iran/Portugal DRAW:
Mexico -------------- 4PTS +2GD
Portugal ------------- 4PTS +1GD
Angola --------------- 1PTS -1GD
Iran ----------------- 1PTS -2GD

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Round3
CASE1
Mexico/Portugal____MEXICO WINS +1GD
Iran/Angola_______ IRAN MUST WIN +3GD*

Mexico -------------- 7PTS +3GD
Iran ----------------- 4PTS +1GD
Portugal ------------- 4PTS 0GD
Angola --------------- 1PTS -4GD

*GD could be lower if Mexico wins by more GD
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CASE2
Mexico/Portugal____PORTUGAL WINS +1GD
Iran/Angola_______ IRAN MUST WIN +4GD

Portugal ------------- 7PTS +2GD
Iran ----------------- 4PTS +2GD
Mexico -------------- 4PTS +1GD
Angola --------------- 1PTS -5GD

*GD could be lower if Portugal wins by more GD
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CASE3
Mexico/Portugal____DRAW
Iran/Angola_______ POINTLESS - IRAN IS OUT, EVEN IF A WIN +1GD

Mexico -------------- 5PTS +2GD
Portugal ------------- 5PTS +1GD
Iran ----------------- 4PTS -1GD
Angola --------------- 1PTS -1GD

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IF IRAN WINS PORTUGAL AND ANGOLA, WE ADVANCE WITH 6 PTS

IF IRAN LOOSES PORTUGAL, ANGOLA IS POINTLESS - IRAN IS OUT.

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THAT MY FRIEND SUMS IT ALL UP IN A NUTSHELL !!!

[IFF]

CASE 3 WOULD REALLY HURT IF MEXICO and PORTUGAL DECIDE TO DRAW EACH OTHER ON PURPOSE JUST TO PREVENT IRAN FROM ADVANCING....THEY MIGHT VERY WELL DO THAT...

SO, CASE 3 COULD BE COMPLETELY AVOIDABLE ONLY WITH A WIN OVER PORTUGAL.

[soniq]

guyz forget the scnearois, sit back and relax and just let the games take u away