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Doctor DOOM
06-11-2006, 05:34 AM
When smaller teams …… no, scratch the “small”. When teams of lower rank face off against higher ones, they naturally will have different goals and strategies to become victorious.

We all know that.
We also know that despite our hopes and heart-felt wishes, Iran is not exactly on the same level as Mexico. Although I don’t see such a wide gap that couldn’t be breached with a little effort.

But to breach this gap, we must enter the game wise to all nuances and mechanics of our possible victory.
That means we strengthen our strengths even more, and try to rectify or at least lessen our weaknesses.

at such short notice, I can think of two major areas we need to be absolutely sure of.

1- SELECTION IN DEFENSE

We all know our weakness is mainly in defending. Not just the defenders ( although some of them carry a lot of blame ) but the whole team.
So care must be taken in choosing the right players for this matter.

I don’t think insistence on some vague notion dating back 2 years, is very productive to our cause.
The game is today, and we must look at what we have , here and NOW.
Despite Yahya’s and Nosrati’s better records of the past, their present form doesn’t leave much room for comfort and trust, unfortunately.

One or two bad selection , or selection based on wrong ideas could spell the doom for our team.


2- PACE IS THE KEY

Same thing goes for the forward line.
We are not facing a team whom we can muscle about and push around, to use the likes of Daei or even VH extensively.
To put it as simple as possible, we need “pace” up front.
It is this “pace” which will unlock the keys of Mexico for us. Be it exploiting the slower defenders in Mexican line or making use of counter-attacks.
Because we know the Mexicans will come at us full force, try to get the required points from their first two games.

Being a life-time Daei supporter, I must first put TM as priority and face the facts.
I must face the fact that Daei and even VH are not exactly counter-attacking forwards, who could out-pace their markers or are skillful enough to maneuver between them to breach their defense.


For a game where we need the points to qualify, we need to have a different strategy than one that requires holding off the opponents ( the Portugal game. More on that, later ).

In our opening game, we need to score and considering our opponent’s weaknesses and strengths, I think it would be more productive to use the likes of Enayati, Khatibi , or even Borhani for most periods of the game, than rely on experience of the aging daei, or flight of a VH who is clearly not in top form.

Having pacy wingers like Kia and Madanchi, is actually a blessing for our team, as they can penetrate the flanks faster and feed the pacy forwards better balls.
yet, keeping the likes of Zandi or teymoorian on the flanks may effectively take out our usefulness in the flanks.


Will branko make us proud by producing a master-stroke ?
I really hope so.

Amir H F
06-11-2006, 09:14 PM
DD I finally understand all of your criticisms upon Branko and his recent decisions. I thought he knew what he was doing and would be different in the world cup, but after today I know its the same old story no matter how big the tournament.

Dr.shark
06-11-2006, 11:40 PM
DD I finally understand all of your criticisms upon Branko and his recent decisions. I thought he knew what he was doing and would be different in the world cup, but after today I know its the same old story no matter how big the tournament.
It is alway good to see that some one will stop supporting tat fuc*ing Branko even if it take us to lose 3-1 in a world cup game.

milad
06-11-2006, 11:41 PM
DD I finally understand all of your criticisms upon Branko and his recent decisions. I thought he knew what he was doing and would be different in the world cup, but after today I know its the same old story no matter how big the tournament.

DD was kinda right. but brancos decisions did work against weak teams... but just as i said long time ago branco is not the man for the WC. he just cant beat strong teams.

Dr.shark
06-11-2006, 11:42 PM
When smaller teams …… no, scratch the “small”. When teams of lower rank face off against higher ones, they naturally will have different goals and strategies to become victorious.

We all know that.
We also know that despite our hopes and heart-felt wishes, Iran is not exactly on the same level as Mexico. Although I don’t see such a wide gap that couldn’t be breached with a little effort.

But to breach this gap, we must enter the game wise to all nuances and mechanics of our possible victory.
That means we strengthen our strengths even more, and try to rectify or at least lessen our weaknesses.

at such short notice, I can think of two major areas we need to be absolutely sure of.

1- SELECTION IN DEFENSE

We all know our weakness is mainly in defending. Not just the defenders ( although some of them carry a lot of blame ) but the whole team.
So care must be taken in choosing the right players for this matter.

I don’t think insistence on some vague notion dating back 2 years, is very productive to our cause.
The game is today, and we must look at what we have , here and NOW.
Despite Yahya’s and Nosrati’s better records of the past, their present form doesn’t leave much room for comfort and trust, unfortunately.

One or two bad selection , or selection based on wrong ideas could spell the doom for our team.


2- PACE IS THE KEY

Same thing goes for the forward line.
We are not facing a team whom we can muscle about and push around, to use the likes of Daei or even VH extensively.
To put it as simple as possible, we need “pace” up front.
It is this “pace” which will unlock the keys of Mexico for us. Be it exploiting the slower defenders in Mexican line or making use of counter-attacks.
Because we know the Mexicans will come at us full force, try to get the required points from their first two games.

Being a life-time Daei supporter, I must first put TM as priority and face the facts.
I must face the fact that Daei and even VH are not exactly counter-attacking forwards, who could out-pace their markers or are skillful enough to maneuver between them to breach their defense.


For a game where we need the points to qualify, we need to have a different strategy than one that requires holding off the opponents ( the Portugal game. More on that, later ).

In our opening game, we need to score and considering our opponent’s weaknesses and strengths, I think it would be more productive to use the likes of Enayati, Khatibi , or even Borhani for most periods of the game, than rely on experience of the aging daei, or flight of a VH who is clearly not in top form.

Having pacy wingers like Kia and Madanchi, is actually a blessing for our team, as they can penetrate the flanks faster and feed the pacy forwards better balls.
yet, keeping the likes of Zandi or teymoorian on the flanks may effectively take out our usefulness in the flanks.


Will branko make us proud by producing a master-stroke ?
I really hope so.
Doctor Doom Jaan e aziz why are you not showing your full force hate for Branko you are being just too kind to branko at this time.

Dr.shark
06-11-2006, 11:42 PM
When smaller teams …… no, scratch the “small”. When teams of lower rank face off against higher ones, they naturally will have different goals and strategies to become victorious.

We all know that.
We also know that despite our hopes and heart-felt wishes, Iran is not exactly on the same level as Mexico. Although I don’t see such a wide gap that couldn’t be breached with a little effort.

But to breach this gap, we must enter the game wise to all nuances and mechanics of our possible victory.
That means we strengthen our strengths even more, and try to rectify or at least lessen our weaknesses.

at such short notice, I can think of two major areas we need to be absolutely sure of.

1- SELECTION IN DEFENSE

We all know our weakness is mainly in defending. Not just the defenders ( although some of them carry a lot of blame ) but the whole team.
So care must be taken in choosing the right players for this matter.

I don’t think insistence on some vague notion dating back 2 years, is very productive to our cause.
The game is today, and we must look at what we have , here and NOW.
Despite Yahya’s and Nosrati’s better records of the past, their present form doesn’t leave much room for comfort and trust, unfortunately.

One or two bad selection , or selection based on wrong ideas could spell the doom for our team.


2- PACE IS THE KEY

Same thing goes for the forward line.
We are not facing a team whom we can muscle about and push around, to use the likes of Daei or even VH extensively.
To put it as simple as possible, we need “pace” up front.
It is this “pace” which will unlock the keys of Mexico for us. Be it exploiting the slower defenders in Mexican line or making use of counter-attacks.
Because we know the Mexicans will come at us full force, try to get the required points from their first two games.

Being a life-time Daei supporter, I must first put TM as priority and face the facts.
I must face the fact that Daei and even VH are not exactly counter-attacking forwards, who could out-pace their markers or are skillful enough to maneuver between them to breach their defense.


For a game where we need the points to qualify, we need to have a different strategy than one that requires holding off the opponents ( the Portugal game. More on that, later ).

In our opening game, we need to score and considering our opponent’s weaknesses and strengths, I think it would be more productive to use the likes of Enayati, Khatibi , or even Borhani for most periods of the game, than rely on experience of the aging daei, or flight of a VH who is clearly not in top form.

Having pacy wingers like Kia and Madanchi, is actually a blessing for our team, as they can penetrate the flanks faster and feed the pacy forwards better balls.
yet, keeping the likes of Zandi or teymoorian on the flanks may effectively take out our usefulness in the flanks.


Will branko make us proud by producing a master-stroke ?
I really hope so.
Doctor Doom Jaan e aziz why are you not showing your full force hate for Branko you are being just too kind to branko at this time.

Dr.shark
06-11-2006, 11:42 PM
When smaller teams …… no, scratch the “small”. When teams of lower rank face off against higher ones, they naturally will have different goals and strategies to become victorious.

We all know that.
We also know that despite our hopes and heart-felt wishes, Iran is not exactly on the same level as Mexico. Although I don’t see such a wide gap that couldn’t be breached with a little effort.

But to breach this gap, we must enter the game wise to all nuances and mechanics of our possible victory.
That means we strengthen our strengths even more, and try to rectify or at least lessen our weaknesses.

at such short notice, I can think of two major areas we need to be absolutely sure of.

1- SELECTION IN DEFENSE

We all know our weakness is mainly in defending. Not just the defenders ( although some of them carry a lot of blame ) but the whole team.
So care must be taken in choosing the right players for this matter.

I don’t think insistence on some vague notion dating back 2 years, is very productive to our cause.
The game is today, and we must look at what we have , here and NOW.
Despite Yahya’s and Nosrati’s better records of the past, their present form doesn’t leave much room for comfort and trust, unfortunately.

One or two bad selection , or selection based on wrong ideas could spell the doom for our team.


2- PACE IS THE KEY

Same thing goes for the forward line.
We are not facing a team whom we can muscle about and push around, to use the likes of Daei or even VH extensively.
To put it as simple as possible, we need “pace” up front.
It is this “pace” which will unlock the keys of Mexico for us. Be it exploiting the slower defenders in Mexican line or making use of counter-attacks.
Because we know the Mexicans will come at us full force, try to get the required points from their first two games.

Being a life-time Daei supporter, I must first put TM as priority and face the facts.
I must face the fact that Daei and even VH are not exactly counter-attacking forwards, who could out-pace their markers or are skillful enough to maneuver between them to breach their defense.


For a game where we need the points to qualify, we need to have a different strategy than one that requires holding off the opponents ( the Portugal game. More on that, later ).

In our opening game, we need to score and considering our opponent’s weaknesses and strengths, I think it would be more productive to use the likes of Enayati, Khatibi , or even Borhani for most periods of the game, than rely on experience of the aging daei, or flight of a VH who is clearly not in top form.

Having pacy wingers like Kia and Madanchi, is actually a blessing for our team, as they can penetrate the flanks faster and feed the pacy forwards better balls.
yet, keeping the likes of Zandi or teymoorian on the flanks may effectively take out our usefulness in the flanks.


Will branko make us proud by producing a master-stroke ?
I really hope so.
Doctor Doom Jaan e aziz why are you not showing your full force hate for Branko you are being just too kind to branko at this time.

milad
06-11-2006, 11:44 PM
why cant branko make logical decisions? were not asking for anything else.

Dr.shark
06-12-2006, 12:06 AM
to all of you Branko supporters and branko lovers our their were are you now why don't you come and tell us why branko took our ali karime but he left in mirrzapoor that let in 3 eazy goals????? why did he not take out daie from the game when he was not runing ?????
why did he not give us more attack minded players and put all the deffenceve minded players he can find in the game????
why don't you branko lovers come and tell us branko haters just what game was branko looking at did he see us winnig by 15 goals that 9 out of 11 players out their had to be diffenceve minded players?????
because the game I saw we were losing.
O you branko loveres do we brankko haters still not know what we are talking about are you going to come out and still say that because you are living in Italy you know football and us in Canada we don't know football???
what happened to Dr. Branko what did he do for us???? do you know that in the last 7 out of 8 game between U.S. and mexico U.S. has come out as the winners your so called best coach made us lose to a weake mexican side that even costa reca has won against.

faraz
06-12-2006, 12:13 AM
DD jan, I do believe it is ONE SIMPLE issue:

SAME OLD DEFENSIVE ERRORS, ALONG WITH A GOALIE WHO STILL HAS NOT LEARNED HOW TO PROPERLY KICK THE FU*KIN BALL!

i'm sorry...but i'm extremely extremely pissed off...i can't even believe it. That 2nd Mexico goal completely took us out of the game, and was the major let down. who cares about the 3rd...the 2nd was the killer...it killed the confidence that we had been brimming with...

Mr Branko...my suggestion is to leave DAEI ON THE GOD DAMN BENCH! The funny thing is, Daei made very few errors, passed the ball generally well...but is just NOT EFFECTIVE. Imagine a speedy player like Borhani up there...?...

and taking off Karimi, whether injured or not, was a complete mistake. THIS was the important game...what are we saving Karimi for????...can someone tell me???...will having Karimi or not be a MAJOR turning point against a team like Portugal?...or will it be more effective against a team that we could actually compete with??...he wasn't limping or anything, and this is the WORLD CUP. Aghayeh Karimi, suck it up, and play, whether 100% or 60%...of course, although it doesn't look bad doesn't necessarily mean it's not bad...but the way he was playing, I would have never known.

god damn...i'm so angry...

Dr.shark
06-12-2006, 12:20 AM
why cant branko make logical decisions? were not asking for anything else.
because he hates Iran and TM I said it even MK would have been better for us then Branko. I said it before and oters said it before but some people just would not get it they thought it is all Branko that is making us win. well now they can see how we play when we do what branko tells us to do.

mr.taheri
06-12-2006, 02:01 AM
DD I finally understand all of your criticisms upon Branko and his recent decisions. I thought he knew what he was doing and would be different in the world cup, but after today I know its the same old story no matter how big the tournament.

I must say after watching this game one of the 1st things that went through my head was" DR. DOOM WAS RIGHT ALL ALONG!" Just like Amir H F I thought that branko would be more agrasive in the world cup...but I see that I was wrong....Screw Daei as well, I never wanted him to start but I stood up for him a few times.

Doctor DOOM
06-12-2006, 04:26 AM
thanks for the vote of confidence, my friends.

I really dont care if I, as the person, am proven wrong or right.
( hell, I'd have loved to be proven wrong :( )

but after wasting many opportunities to either straighten branko out, or kick him out .... we reached the WC, with this incompetent wimp as our coach.
and our first game was the absolute crucial one where we HAD TO get the points to have a chance.

now, saying x was right and y was wrong ..... just gets nothing for our poor TM !

we had the chance to change our fate, and didnt use it !

no wonder we have "Nooshdaroo pass az marg-e sohrab..." in our culture !

smanhoobi
06-12-2006, 06:23 AM
Hi guys:

Here is a supporter of Branko and Daei. :D

So, supporters are not hiding. Its just not the time. :D

What Branko and daei brought us so far is much more than what they took from us. You guys still, and will never realise that.

Today, with the status of Iran's football, noone can do what you expect from the team. Your expectations are far more than what the reality is. You are just dreaming, and nothing else.

I have always agreed with DD and people with the same vision. What I never agreed was where the fingers were pointed at.

You guys point your fingers to worng places. Miracle of Australia is a miracle. It happens once every blue moon. You cant see miracles every day.

Push for proper preparations, good clubs, player production in a proper way. Provide well and ask in return. People have certain capacities and they cant handle years of neglection on their shoulders. Its too heavy. You wont neither.

Hajagha
06-12-2006, 09:25 AM
Hi guys:
Here is a supporter of Branko and Daei. :D.

Too bad you are my best friend, otherwise I would come to LA and beat the hell out of you. :D

In a serious note, I see your point Soheil jan and I admit on that when we come down to left defence or Nosrati, Madanchi, Ka'abi,... but when it comes to Daei and Mirza who we have obviously at least 232158534 better players in our "zamin khaki" fields and time millions in our IPL and 6 on our bench, I just can't help myself to not kicking your butt.

zzgloo
06-12-2006, 11:09 AM
Too bad you are my best friend, otherwise I would come to LA and beat the hell out of you. :D
In a serious note, I see your point Soheil jan and I admit on that when we come down to left defence or Nosrati, Madanchi, Ka'abi,... but when it comes to Daei and Mirza who we have obviously at least 232158534 better players in our "zamin khaki" fields and time millions in our IPL and 6 on our bench, I just can't help myself to not kicking your butt.
Hajagha jan e aziz....
daei may be, but the secound chioce to mirzapour is far too inferior....our league is just not rich enough !!!...these alternative golies are just good enough for " Gol-koochik" football...................

Hajagha
06-12-2006, 11:15 AM
Hajagha jan e aziz....
daei may be, but the secound chioce to mirzapour is far too inferior....our league is just not rich enough !!!...these alternative golies are just good enough for " Gol-koochik" football...................

How do you know that? Do they play goal-kochik in IPL? We have seen enough of Mirzapour in last 5 years. I bet my last dollar that you won't hear of Mirza in next 3 years in iranian football, not even in league 1. He is not a football player, any one who kicks the ball can see that.

zzgloo
06-12-2006, 11:15 AM
I support Branko whole heartedly...as complaining is easier for some of you guys.....
Branko, with a less talented team,and inferior experince out coached number 4 team in the world on the first half...and as he had to change the strategy for the secound half, he decieded to go for the tie,after the minute 65...
It may have been a mistake, it may not have been.....it would have been possible.....
It is always, moama chon hal shavad asan shavad.........and it is not the falut of Branko if we have a shallow talented league in Iran,specialy when it comes to Golie or stricker,

zzgloo
06-12-2006, 11:19 AM
How do you know that? Do they play goal-kochik in IPL? We have seen enough of Mirzapour in last 5 years. I bet my last dollar that you won't hear of Mirza in next 3 years in iranian football, not even in league 1. He is not a football player, any one who kicks the ball can see that.
haji jan......We all know, that he is a bit Goofy,and just not an intelegent player....but, what about his heart ? what about his hight ? what about his agresive nature over crosses..? what about his selfnesesness......
talebloo,and roodbarians, aside from not haveing international experince, they just not dareing enough......

Hajagha
06-12-2006, 11:21 AM
The way you say number 4, like you really believe it. :D

I thought number 4 team is South Korea since the very same coach who you support, said so when we played against them. How many more number 4 we have?

Of course, the "formation" and "player choice" show itself in second half when the team is tired and can't fill the other's task. Rezaei was too tired to collect Mirza's blunder in minuted 75 after going up and down too many times bcz of non-existance of any forward to keep the ball up there to let the defence breath for a moment.

Hajagha
06-12-2006, 11:26 AM
haji jan......We all know, that he is a bit Goofy,and just not an intelegent player....but, what about his heart ? what about his hight ? what about his agresive nature over crosses..? what about his selfnesesness......
talebloo,and roodbarians, aside from not haveing international experince, they just not dareing enough......

Yap, he has experience in WCQ blunder, AC blunder, IPL blunder, WAC blunder, Now in WC blunder. A good collection to sell.

mmmm, did you see Mexico's keeper size? How about Irish keeper size? mmmm How about the rest of the world's keeper size? "It's not the size that matters, it's how to use it." Don't believe me ask any female you see in the street. :D

Doctor DOOM
06-12-2006, 11:27 AM
I support Branko whole heartedly...as complaining is easier for some of you guys.....
Branko, with a less talented team,and inferior experince out coached number 4 team in the world on the first half...and as he had to change the strategy for the secound half, he decieded to go for the tie,after the minute 65...
It may have been a mistake, it may not have been.....it would have been possible.....
It is always, moama chon hal shavad asan shavad.........and it is not the falut of Branko if we have a shallow talented league in Iran,specialy when it comes to Golie or stricker,


refer to post # 6 on the issue of ranking and all the rest of insignificant and irrelevent issues of fifa ranking.

and # 4 on the matter of who "out-coach"-ed whom.

zzgloo
06-12-2006, 11:43 AM
I do nnot know why...but two of our intelegent members ( I mean it )..hajagha,and DD...all of the sudden think Mexico was a Bolony !!!..and the play of our team on the first half has made them arrogant !!....
We played well, we could have easy tied.....with mexico who was the POT A choice by FIFA, to lead the group...and not just by thier 4 TH rank in the world ,but by thier class !!!....
many things could have been different.......
do you gentlemen know what a difference it makes to change the whole straucture of the team,based on zandi and zare absence ?
Do you know, he had to use karimi differently because of that ?
Do you know, how much that will take away from the out put ?
....................
My dear frinds...lets support our team, and our coach.....do not give up so sooon,and already talk about 4 years from now.......
remember, we are still in it !!!!!
And Haji Jan.....I asked the ladies.....they said, all things equal...size matters:) !!

Doctor DOOM
06-12-2006, 08:22 PM
zz jan, I dont know why you shd look at paper and numbers and pots , when all you have to do is watch the damn game to see this mexico was not the one we feared.

this mexico could have been beaten.

at least I suggest you look at the game and stop looking at numbers which prove absolutely NOTHING.

T&T and sweden ?
what .... the difference between their ranking must be 50-60 at least.
but they drew, with T&T one man short.
explain that ........... and 3 million other examples which do NOT .... and I repeat, DO NOT COINCIDE with these useless, empty "numbers" on the paper.

smanhoobi
06-13-2006, 03:24 AM
Too bad you are my best friend, otherwise I would come to LA and beat the hell out of you. :D

In a serious note, I see your point Soheil jan and I admit on that when we come down to left defence or Nosrati, Madanchi, Ka'abi,... but when it comes to Daei and Mirza who we have obviously at least 232158534 better players in our "zamin khaki" fields and time millions in our IPL and 6 on our bench, I just can't help myself to not kicking your butt.

Haji joon. It is always a pleasure when my butt is kicked by you. :D . Right on my friend. There is one thing we dont agree on fundamentally. Thats it. I am all with you on the rest.

You see Haji jaan. You have coached a few times and at whatever level.
I ask you one thing. Consider haji joon that you have been selected as a coach. First, who has selected you as a coach? The answer is, ofcourse, not a whole nation, but a group of people who represent an organization who deals with these stuff.

Now Haji jaan. That organization who picked you as a coach is OBLIGATED to follow certain rules and budget. So, they come and check their options, use their knowledge in football, watch what they have in the bank, and finally they see you as fitting all of those factors, and you become the head coach. I think, we are on the same boat up to this point. It is inevitable in another way too. Meaning that a nationwide election does not take place in any country for the purpose of selecting you as a coach. Right? Now what we differ is from this point on.

So, finally, after a RIGHT or WRONG process, you are the coach. Now tell me what are your expectations? Let me list it for you as much as I can understand football.

1/ You expect that the selection has been made wisely and the way you see football is assessed and agreed upon.

2/ You expect that no change of direction and vision would be expected from you. Its because you think, you are successful and its that vision which gave you success and lead to your selection. So, as long as that is the case, you are fine with it and you will only change a thing when YOU see it necessary and NOT when Ali, Hassan and Hossein find it necessary.

3/ You also expect that as a head coach, you will have the freedom to SELECT what is needed to fullfill your expectation. You think that its actually the players who are ultimately the means that give you success. It does not matter how knowledgable you are, how good you may think. IF players are not there to execute your abilities to lead, your presence is not even needed. Therefore, in your selection you make sure of one thing:

YOU try to balance technical ability of a player with his tactical perception. Meaning that, if you have two players as such:

A Player: is very good technically, but does not listen or implement what you ask from him

B Player: is not really as good, but his incomplete technical ability is balanced of with his extreme conviction to execute what you need from him.

Then, in my opinion, and you should agree with me on this, YOU will go for Player B. There is no question in my mind that you will do that. Because if you dont, you ll be a coach who gives the destiny of his team to the hand of the performance of those in category A and you will have ABSOLUTELY no control over it when needed.

NOW. This IS the story of the occasional players you mention as needed. Ofcourse, not all of them. But i must say the majority of them. AND consider that this is ONLY you. There are close to a dozen million out there as you with various tastes and selections.

Haji jaan. Its very OK for you as a "fan" or "analyst" to make judgements about a coach or a player and their attributes. BUT, when it comes to a place where YOU are behind the stearing wheel, YOU WILL act exactly in the same way as Branko acts. If you do anything other than that, you are just another Mayeli Kohan".

All the above is not meant to say that Branko's vision, Daei as a player, Karmi as a midfielder are RIGHT or WRONG. But it is an attempt to let you know, you should put yourself in their shoes when you make comments as such. This is YOU as a FAN. But what they do is their JOB. The way both works is very very different from one another.

So what can be done so that we start efficiently? Easy. You push for fundamentals rather than details after the fact. Cause your push in details after the fact is called "interference" with ones job where we are not really qualified for it, and your push to correct fundamentals that leads to such mistakes is your "very right" as a countryman.

Dont get me wrong haji joon. Your opinion and comments are completely normal and its part of the discussion of fans. BUT, our culture is NOT ready for your comments as such. It gets percieved as facts that REQUIRES definite implementation. I am using the word "YOU" too often. thats just paraphrasing and I mean not "YOU" but some fans and especially our unprofessional media.

I hope I could explain what the fundamental disagreement in this issue is between me and you. Otherwise, I agree with most of your opinions even in the issues regarding daei.
Thanks
Soheil

leviathan
06-13-2006, 11:36 AM
حسن روشن:

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نمره توصیه پذیری سرمربی ۲۰ است
کارشناس فوتبال کشورمان گفت:تیم ملی ایران بازی را به یک پروفسور باخت تا جشن ملی کشورمان شکل نگیرد.
"حسن روشن" تصریح کرد:تاکتیک تیم ملی به معنای واقعی صفر بود و ما تنها به دلیل تلاش و خلاقیت بازیکنان خود یک نیمه خوب بازی کردیم، اما در نیمه مربیان فهمیدیم چه کاره*‏ایم و سرمربی مکزیک در کمال خونسردی بهترین تعویض ها را انجام داد و با بستن جناح راست ما که تنها نقطه قوت تیم ملی ایران بود نفوذ از جناح چپ را در دستور کار قرار داد و به پیروزی رسید.
وی افزود: تیم ملی ما توان ۶۰ دقیقه بازی تحت فشار را دارد و یک تیم ۹۰ دقیقه ای نیست؛ اطمینان دارم مقابل آنگولا هم بیش از این به مشکل بر می*‏خوریم چرا که از نظر فیزیکی توان مقابله با آنها را نداریم.
روشن تصریح کرد: میرزاپور را همین امروز باید کنار بگذارند؛ اگر چه مقصر اصلی شکست ما نه او بود نه دایی؛ بلکه برانکو بود. بارها گفته ام که او مربی نیست بلکه آدم با شخصیت و خوبی است که نمره توصیه پذیری اش ۲۰ است.
وی ادامه داد: حیثیت و آبروی یک ملت را به یک روانشناس سپرده*‏ایم که او هم از دادکان و اطرافیانش حرف شنوی کامل دارد، یک کور هم می دانست که باید دایی را تعویض کند و به خطیبی ، کاظمیان و برهانی میدان بدهد، اما برانکو جرات این کار را نداشت. البته این تیم ملی ایران بود که باخت چرا که برانکو با حضورش در جام جهانی پیروز شده و دیگر چیزی برای از دست دادن ندارد.
روشن تصریح کرد: واقعیت فوتبال ما و تیم ملی را یک کودک شش ساله هم می داند، اما برانکو نمی داند و البته خودش را به ندانستن می زند به هر حال باید تنها باید افسوس خورد... واقعا فرصت


my thoughts:
1-i feel the same way as hasan roshan ,we lost a golden opportunity!

2-in second half ricardo saw iran attacking from right side only and closed the blood line to game's equlibrium.

3-They also saw big gap where daei and karimi were not running and capitalized on that too.

4-mirzapour is not world cup ready and never will be(sorry mirza)use roudbarian...we have a good defence..all we need at next game is a goalie to kick properly.

5-karimi should play on second half only ...and in his own position .

6-The formation 5-3-2-1 does not work for our team change to at least 4-4-2 or 4-3-3.

7-all of Our Defenders need to cover man to man and not zone defence.
8-Don't use nosrati as starter in next game.

9-start with shojaei in next game..

10-pull out tired or inactive players immediately.

lastly i hope zandi gets ready we need him on the left side

Hajagha
06-13-2006, 02:15 PM
Haji joon. It is always a pleasure when my butt is kicked by you. :D . Right on my friend. There is one thing we dont agree on fundamentally. Thats it. I am all with you on the rest.
You see Haji jaan. You have coached a few times and at whatever level.
I ask you one thing. Consider haji joon that you have been selected as a coach. First, who has selected you as a coach? The answer is, ofcourse, not a whole nation, but a group of people who represent an organization who deals with these stuff.
Now Haji jaan. That organization who picked you as a coach is OBLIGATED to follow certain rules and budget. So, they come and check their options, use their knowledge in football, watch what they have in the bank, and finally they see you as fitting all of those factors, and you become the head coach. I think, we are on the same boat up to this point. It is inevitable in another way too. Meaning that a nationwide election does not take place in any country for the purpose of selecting you as a coach. Right? Now what we differ is from this point on.
So, finally, after a RIGHT or WRONG process, you are the coach. Now tell me what are your expectations? Let me list it for you as much as I can understand football.
1/ You expect that the selection has been made wisely and the way you see football is assessed and agreed upon.
2/ You expect that no change of direction and vision would be expected from you. Its because you think, you are successful and its that vision which gave you success and lead to your selection. So, as long as that is the case, you are fine with it and you will only change a thing when YOU see it necessary and NOT when Ali, Hassan and Hossein find it necessary.
3/ You also expect that as a head coach, you will have the freedom to SELECT what is needed to fullfill your expectation. You think that its actually the players who are ultimately the means that give you success. It does not matter how knowledgable you are, how good you may think. IF players are not there to execute your abilities to lead, your presence is not even needed. Therefore, in your selection you make sure of one thing:
YOU try to balance technical ability of a player with his tactical perception. Meaning that, if you have two players as such:
A Player: is very good technically, but does not listen or implement what you ask from him
B Player: is not really as good, but his incomplete technical ability is balanced of with his extreme conviction to execute what you need from him.
Then, in my opinion, and you should agree with me on this, YOU will go for Player B. There is no question in my mind that you will do that. Because if you dont, you ll be a coach who gives the destiny of his team to the hand of the performance of those in category A and you will have ABSOLUTELY no control over it when needed.
NOW. This IS the story of the occasional players you mention as needed. Ofcourse, not all of them. But i must say the majority of them. AND consider that this is ONLY you. There are close to a dozen million out there as you with various tastes and selections.
Haji jaan. Its very OK for you as a "fan" or "analyst" to make judgements about a coach or a player and their attributes. BUT, when it comes to a place where YOU are behind the stearing wheel, YOU WILL act exactly in the same way as Branko acts. If you do anything other than that, you are just another Mayeli Kohan".
All the above is not meant to say that Branko's vision, Daei as a player, Karmi as a midfielder are RIGHT or WRONG. But it is an attempt to let you know, you should put yourself in their shoes when you make comments as such. This is YOU as a FAN. But what they do is their JOB. The way both works is very very different from one another.
So what can be done so that we start efficiently? Easy. You push for fundamentals rather than details after the fact. Cause your push in details after the fact is called "interference" with ones job where we are not really qualified for it, and your push to correct fundamentals that leads to such mistakes is your "very right" as a countryman.
Dont get me wrong haji joon. Your opinion and comments are completely normal and its part of the discussion of fans. BUT, our culture is NOT ready for your comments as such. It gets percieved as facts that REQUIRES definite implementation. I am using the word "YOU" too often. thats just paraphrasing and I mean not "YOU" but some fans and especially our unprofessional media.
I hope I could explain what the fundamental disagreement in this issue is between me and you. Otherwise, I agree with most of your opinions even in the issues regarding daei.
Thanks
Soheil

I see your point, however the matter is not "black and white" as you described. We made a decision and should live with that till the end of WC, then we can change it by a nice kick to the butt of Branko. :)

Doctor DOOM
06-14-2006, 03:51 AM
Iraj jan, our great legend, Mr Rowshan said all that needed to be said.
perfect.

and I agree with you, except the zandi bit.
since we NEED a win and only a win, we need soimeone like madanchi who would be pacy enough to create chances for our pacy forwards ( I'd pick enayati and khatibi ).
a draw would serve us nothing !
might as well fight tooth and nail and go for a win, and eventually lose.
but at least we'd know we did go for the win.
( that's why branko is absolutely wrong for this kind of mentality and game )


god only knows when we are gonna get to the WC, and when we'd get such a group, with such teams, and when we'd have such stars at our disposals and .... !!!!
golden opportunity lost, due to our coach's lack of ideas, lack of guts, lack of adequate knowledge, .... !

as I and others have always said: this fellow's ceiling of expectations and dreams was to lead a team at the WC.
not in his wildest dreams he'd reckon doing this.
no wonder he bore all the insults, criticism, manipulations, interferences,.... from all over the place, just so he could sit on the bench at the WC.
no dignity, no shame, no grace , no self -respect !
coz he just didnt have the right mentality , and was way too small for the WC!

( hell, I'll be mighty happy to be in a grand prix, along with schummi or Alonso, or Raikonen. even if I get thrashed and come absolute last ! )

yes, this is the kind of guy we entrusted our TM's fate to .... and at such an opportune time and once-in-a-1000 years chance !!! :( :mad:

I just dont know why soheil jan and others are defending the fellow who made not one or two, but SERIES os mistakes to ruin our golden opportunity.